SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Glenn Arekion. Glenn, your life, my life and your life if you pray in supernatural languages has probably been spared so many times because the devil is planning an attack against you. God knows about it. You’re praying against the devil. The devil doesn’t even know you’re praying against him because he can’t understand the supernatural language. You’re praying in perfect faith because, praise God, you can’t understand it. So there’s nothing in as perfect a pray as you can pray. Tell me about the time you had a supernatural intervention of God in Ghana.
GLENN: Well this was my first, I was 21 years old. It was my missionary trip on mainland Africa. I went to Ivory Coast and I was preaching in Abidjan. And on my way back I had to be in transit in Ghana. And so I took the plane from Abidjan to Accra. When I got to Accra the immigration officer who met us at the bottom of stair said, “Everybody on that plane is not going to London. You’re all going back to Abidjan because you are all illegal immigrants.” And I said, “Now hold it, hold it.”
SID: You weren’t illegal.
GLENN: No. I said, “First of all, I’m not Ivorian. I’m a British citizen. I’m going back to London.” He said, “No. Everybody on that plane is going back to Ivory Coast.” I said, “Where do I go? I don’t know anybody over there.” He said, “We’ll take you to jail.” When I heard the word “jail” I was all excited. I mean, I was like, no, I’m not going to jail.
SID: I’m sure.
GLENN: And this man was rude, and this man was like, “No, you’re not going to London.” And by that time he said, “Beside, the plane, your connection to London has already left. Your plane is already gone.” Now I knew in my mind if something supernatural didn’t happen I’m going to jail somewhere in Africa, and I don’t want to be in jail in Africa. So I didn’t care and I began to pray in supernatural language. I can pray. And I prayed out loud and I didn’t care because I wanted to get out of Accra to go back London. And as I prayed I heard the voice of the Lord. He said, “See that man over there? I want you to go and talk to that man.” As I was heading towards that man that other immigration officer said, “Where are you going?” I said, “I’m not talking to you. I want to see that man.” He said, “No. Where are you going?” I said, “I’m not talking to you. I want to see that man.” And I saw that man. I said, “Sir, I supposed to be going to London and they want to deport me back to Ivory Coast.” He came back a half hour later with a brand new ticket on a different airline, which I didn’t pay for, and took me back home to London.
SID: Could that have ever happened if you didn’t pray mysteries of the Spirit?
GLENN: First of all, if I didn’t pray in that supernatural language I would not know what to do. I would have panicked and be afraid, and find myself in a jail. But the Scriptures says, “With an unknown tongue He will speak to His people.” So when I prayed in unknown language, supernatural language, I heard the voice of the Lord to tell me what to do. Supernatural language will get you out of any problem that you may find yourself in.
SID: Do you know what’s been hidden because it’s not emphasized? If you study the various moves of God’s spirit throughout history you’ll find the secret of these great men and women’s power was speaking in supernatural languages. Tell me about some pillars of the church.
GLENN: John G. Lake, who had a great healing ministry, he said the making of his ministry is praying in supernatural language, speaking the language that God has given to him. Smith Wigglesworth, who was from the United Kingdom, who was an uneducated plumber, shy, timid was transformed into the apostle of faith, into the apostle of miracles and healings simply by praying in supernatural language. People like William J. Seymour, who brought about revival, the Azusa Street Revival, they all prayed in supernatural language. Our churches will be changed. Our cities will be changed. Our nation will change if the churches and believers begin to pray in supernatural language.
SID: Tell me about this Indiana pastor’s wife. This pastor had been sitting under your teaching and just so motivated to pray in supernatural languages, and she dies. Was it in a service?
GLENN: No, she died at home. And she wasn’t feeling well during the day. She knew it was a demonic attack. She wasn’t feeling well. Well she got up and as she was heading towards the bathroom she said she felt something hit her, and when that thing hit her she fell down and collapsed. And her husband, who’s a pastor who only speaks in supernatural language, was put on the spot to teach to pray even more, saw her collapse on the floor and all the color drained out of her and gurgled her last breath.
Pastor: She’s not breathing. My wife’s not breathing.
GLENN: The faith of God rose on the inside of him and he already understood by the teaching of God’s word that he could pray supernatural language. So he began to pray and blast in supernatural language and she came back life. She was resurrected.
SID: Resurrection of the dead, I mean, if that’s not a reason to pray in supernatural language. When we come back Glenn is going to show you the secret from Scripture of why the first believers in the Messiah had such awesome power and it’s such an amazing revelation. In the English translations of the Bible, most have missed it. But in the Greek translation of this verse he’s going to show you, light bulbs are going to go on. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.
Sid: My guest David Martin is read hot for the Messiah, and I have to tell you I’ve been so looking forward to this interview because I found out about a move of God in the 1930’s in Africa. And this move of God was called the Shining Light Movement because the people literally glowed with the presence of God. David, I had never heard of this before. Tell me about this.
David: Well, in the 1930’s I think it was about 1936 as I remember but, there was a move of God that came upon a small little chapel in northern Rwanda. And everyone that was involved in that movement felt a tremendous conviction of the Holy Spirit, and what happened is that every day people were coming to the alter because they felt uncomfortable with sin. And what happened over the course of time is that people began to shine. They literally began to radiate the glory of God like unto the transfiguration, and everybody around there was in awe with this movement. And this movement literally spread from this little chapel all the way through east central Africa and the friend of mine’s father literally twenty years after the movement was still shining from that movement.
Sid: Do you know what the fruit of that movement was, where entire cities swept into the kingdom of God? Were people healed? Do you know anything about that?
David: Well the primary fruit of it was people’s lives that were changed to real right relationship with God and if there’s any one real fruit that I think is really phenomenal is life span. Because the average African lives to sixties maybe seventy and peoples tribes that were affected by this revival even yet today live over a hundred years old.
Sid: I would imagine because the Glory of God is so strong on them that non-believers could recognize the shining light that was on them, but that shining light would prevent any evil from touching them. Could you picture if there was a generation of Christians in say America that walked in that type of shining light with all the horrific things that many of my prophetic friends are all saying is about to happen to America. Can you picture that David?
David: Absolutely, I not only can picture it, I know that it’s going to happen, I know that I know that God is raising up a remnant of people that are going to walk in this very thing Sid. And I believe that not only are they going to shine, but they’re going to have an incredible peace, they’re going to have an ability to hear, clearly hear God’s voice. And you know talking about God’s voice of revival. I met prophetic people from what use to be Zaire prophets that were over a hundred years old and one of the things that’s interesting is that these people do nothing except what God says. They literally will not even go across the road unless they got a voice of the Lord telling them to do that.
Sid: And that reminds me of about William Seymour at the Azusa street revival he would put a box over his head during the service and not take it off until God told him what to say.
David: Amen. I hope he doesn’t tell me to that.
Sid: Ha, ha. But, tell me about this supernatural peace that’s imparted to people.
David: Well, it’s kind of a two part story and a long story, but literally God directed me in the supernatural move of God that was happening in the pastor’s conference that we were doing. He said go to this particular town where this friend of mine that had died a couple months earlier in a plane crash. To go there and I didn’t even know at the time but when I went there his birth place was actually the birthplace of this Shining One Movement. And while we were in the chapel where this revival broke out in the ‘30s one of the founders or leaders of that movement who was my friend’s father’s partner, if you will, he walked into the chapel. And interestingly his name was Enoch and not a supernatural Enoch just that was his name. But he again, one of the of founders of this revival explained to me; showed me about this revival and what was so interesting to me Sid, is one of the very first things that God said to me when I gave my heart to him in 1979 is that he’d studied the miracles of Jesus. And the one miracle of all the miracles that God led me to was the transfiguration. Now here I have a man that walked in the transfiguration anointing. I was so full of the questions, I said Enoch tell me about this. And he said, well it wasn’t something about the transfiguration it wasn’t about the shining; it was the holiness that caused people to shine. And I said, Enoch would you pray for me? I want that. Sid, he prayed for me and the impartation that came to me that we pray for people in our meetings and on the CD that you’re offering. But when he prayed for me, it was so incredible I can’t even explain it. I literally wept a pile of tears because the presence of God was so incredible and I just had this overwhelmingness in my heart to draw nigh unto God and to be like those early people with nothing to do with sin. But it was six or actually nine months later that the peace anointing hit me on the mountain top in Zaire.
Sid: Tell me about that.
David: Well, again it was kind of a long story would take about an hour to hour to explain on these CDs. But in the ‘60s there was these Shining One people affected the tribal people in Zaire, about 400,000 people. About 90% are spirit filled prophetic but they would meet on this mountain top. And in the 60’s they prophesied that four last day words, if you will, that one, there would be a great war in Zaire followed by great men of God going to Heaven but in planes; followed by more war, followed by great revival. And Zaire never had a war until about 1997 and these tribal people were involved with the overthrow of the Zaire government. And now it is called the Democratic Congo. To celebrate the victory they called in twenty three of Africa’s greatest leaders. My friend David who was again, the son of the father of the Shining One Movement, Ed. He as one of the twenty three people on a plane that was landing on the mountain top to celebrate the victory of the overthrow of the government. And right where the word was given, but thirty years earlier the plane crashed to fulfill the second prophetic word. Great men of God went to Heaven in a plane.
Sid: So first was war. Second great men of God would die in a plane crash. What was the third?
David: No, the second one that great men of God would go to Heaven in planes. So the plane crash facilitated the great men going to Heaven in planes; and then they were all buried in a common grave right on that mountain top. The third prophetic word was more war and that prophetic word happened two weeks later after the plane crash and they went back to war and still are in war. And the fourth prophetic word is great revival.
Sid: Now do you think that was for the Congo area or for the world?
David: I know for a fact that it’s for the world, Sid. And what’s interesting is that seven months after the Enoch anointing that Shining One impartation that God gave me that we now share with people. I was is another African pastor’s conference, and one of the spouses who died, her husband died in the plane crash said to me, “David you know that your friend isn’t buried? He’s planted. What do you mean by that? And she said that I talked to every spouse and every spouse tells me the same thing. That their spouse knew that they were going to die when they got on that plan. They knew that they were going to die, including your friend who threw his coat on to his successor, his nephew. He it was told him, don’t get on the plane, it was going to crash. And what’s interesting Sid is this man, David is his name, Nairootse was on Idi Amin torture tables. And Idi Amin couldn’t kill him to the point of putting him on a firing squad, filling up with bullets and he crawled out of that heap of dead bodies. And he started to work, we worked over there in Rwanda, but here’s this man, you know how he died in that plane crash?
Sid: I read about that, he was actually shot a number of times.
David: Well, he was part of a firing squad. First Idi Amin tried different tortures on him, horrible tortures; I saw the scars on his body. But then when Adi Amin couldn’t get him to renounce his faith, he put him in a firing squad and left him for dead and he crawled out of that heap of dead bodies.
David: And it’s baffling how he could die in this plane crash. But, literally what…
Sid: But he knew he was going to die, because he put his coat, as representing the mantle over his successor.
David: And he was told prophetically don’t get on the plane, it’s going to crash. And he said I have to do what I have to do.
David: So anyway, when I heard this, I went to bed that night and I woke up with a vision in the morning, a dream. I call it dreams because young men have visions. But I woke up with this startling dream where I saw a picture of what I believe was Elijah bones in a cave and they threw a dead man on him and the dead man came alive and I woke up to that. And then God said to me, “Those twenty three people that were buried on that mountain top, there is a resurrection anointing there and I’m sending you to go get it.” And the next day, well that day I’m talking to people about what happened because I didn’t know the surroundings of this event. But they arranged for me to meet these prophets and I when I met with the prophets. I said I’m here to meet you; they had me speak to the about 500 people in chapel. But I said,” I really want to learn from you.” And then, God said to me specifically, “I’m bringing you back in September, now this is May, I’m bringing you back in September to receive that resurrection impartation.” And I’m thinking God, how can that be it’s a war zone and they’re still at war? And it’s a mountaintop, it’s a military post there. But, to make a long story short, in August God opened up a twelve week window, which was called the Elusa Peace Accord by the UN. In that twelve week window the prophets called me and said, would you come and commemorate the dead? And what was interesting is that a prophet friend of mine had a prophecy just a week before I got the call and she said, David, I had this out of body experience. I saw two enmities that were fighting and God showed me that these two enmities were self and spirit fighting since the beginning of time. And he said to her, call David Martin and tell him I’m sending him to that mountaintop to get that resurrection anointing. Well…
Sid: Do you mean that this resurrection anointing will give you the victory of your spirit over your flesh? Is that what you are saying?
Sid: And you know what, I feel that resurrection anointing coming out of you right now, David as we’re talking. It’s such a peace; you need this course because he prays for you to have the resurrection anointing. The course on the “Spiritual Preparation for the End Times.” It’s nine CDs. There’s such an anointing; such wisdom on this. And then the bonus “Five Keyes to the Supernatural” will give you breakthroughs in the supernatural like you never thought possible.
Sid: We want everyone to understand the promises of God and how they operate and better yet how they’re going to operate for you in your life. And I’ve been listening to teaching by Sandra Kennedy and she’s the Director of Whole Life Ministries. And they have and she corrected me I said they had a healing center and she said no no, it’s a teaching center and a church. This is “Whole Life Ministries” in Augusta, Georgia. They have a café that their having some amazing things happen as people just go there, they think for what they think for lunch. And they have a deliverance center where people get free from addictions of all kinds. And on yesterday’s broadcast we found out that the most wonderful miracles are happening there. Peoples’ body parts are being restored, I mean fingers are growing out from people with perhaps diabetes their toes are growing out. People are being raised from the dead; people with hysterectomies are now having children. People on dialysis are getting off dialysis. People on the list for heart transplants, they have no need for a heart transplant they have been given new hearts. Oh my goodness this is so outrageous, Sandra Kennedy I have to ask you about this person that had a transplant of their eye and it died.
Sid: And then they could see out of it. Tell me about that. Ha ha.
Sandra: Ha ha, well let me say this to you, it is a healing center but it’s a teaching center. Because people get it confused thinking that it’s a prayer room something and it isn’t and it’s trying to get the word of God in you. Well, that particular miracle that you’re talking about I still put it up near the top of my list. There’s this lady that had a eye transplant it died. It became disconnected from the socket of her eye and she began to see out of that dead transplanted disconnected eye. She began to see colors I didn’t even know what was wrong with the lady. She began to yell out colors she saw on the stage or something and I went back to her and said what is this? And then she told me what it was she and her daughter told me and I mean it was amazing, absolutely amazing.
Sid: I want to go back to when you were just a young child, age six. How in the world at age six did you start praying for animals to be healed? Where did that come from Sandra?
Sandra: Well you know, I was raised on a farm and I just always had in me that, put it this way, if God is God then God’s God and if God’s God He’s God. You know He has to be different than anything around and I heard this, I don’t know if it was audible or not Sid, I just heard I remember hearing “One day that I will use you in healing.” And I had such compassion, I mean I’d go pray for dead rats or dead anything you know, on the farm. I have to admit that I never saw any of them raised from the dead but never the less.
Sid: But where did you get this from. Did your parents teach you about healing or?
Sandra: Well, Baptist, just a little Baptist church. I grew up in a town with 600 people.
Sid: So where did this come from that’s not a normal thing?
Sandra: I do not know but it just seemed like the thing for me to do, it was so easy, I remember when I went to seminary and they taught that signs and wonders had passed away in classes that we were in and dada dada and I just like to turn the little switch in my brain and thought you all say what you want to I know God’s bigger than that.
Sid: You were going, actually in ’73 you were going to a Baptist Seminary but you were praying for the sick in the seminary. Tell me about that.
Sandra: Yes, well that was it and listen, I wasn’t Spirit filled at the moment. I just came back to the seminary and I had had an experience with God and every time I had an experience with God I would go back to the seminary. And I had gone and it was a sincere search for God, I went back to the seminary and I would see somebody and they would need prayer and they say they were hurting in their stomach or there tooth was hurting or they had this and that wrong with them and I would just pray for you and healing started happening. I mean I was as shocked as they were. But they just started happening.
Sid: But what did the higher ups from the seminary think about all of these healings? I guess they were pretty excited.
Sandra: Well, not really, no. Ha-ha, not at that particular time.
Sid: Not at the Baptist seminary? Ha Ha Ha
Sandra: Not at that particular time, they were not, no sir.
Sid: What did they say to you?
Sandra: Well, I actually end up being moved out of the dormitory to be honest, but I mean, just I remember because then I got excited, you have to understand I’m in my early twenties or so I got excited and so I wanted to just pray for anybody and everybody. But, I mean we were seeing tremendous healings that were taking place and I guess I was causing confusion or something, who knows. But again I was so excited.
Sid: Now you had to be, you’re not Spirit filled; you’re in a Baptist seminary; their preaching healing has cease it doesn’t exist anymore, you’re praying for the sick and actually, according to my notes you had some amazing miracles happen with people’s teeth. Tell me about that.
Sandra: I did, there was this lady that was from Brazil or somewhere and I prayed for her in her mouth and she really needs some dental work done. Her teeth were totally healed. I don’t know if you call healed teeth but totally transformed. And Sid, a really quick little incident about this, I actually forgot about that, later moved and came back to Augusta make a long story very short, I got a call from this woman one day years later and she said are you Sandra Kennedy? And I said yes I am. She said, you prayed for me for my mouth you prayed for a tumor and it fell off and God told me to find you and for you to pray for me again and I would be healed. I hadn’t seen this lady in for fifteen years and how she found me I do not know and someway God literally gave her my telephone number. I prayed for her over the phone and she was instantly healed.
Sid: Well, that isn’t unusual people are getting healed once they go through your teaching. But you had a wonderful experience happen when your mother was sick. She had cancer in ’73. Explain that.
Sandra: Absolutely, that was of all stories the most fascinating in once sense of the word outside of that eye problem but I was called home. I was in Baltimore, I was a Baptist, not Spirit filled, called home came home. Came home on Friday, they said that she would be dead by Sunday. She was in a coma on the bed and they said that she had cancer and when I came in, as I was flying in I heard what I thought was an audible voice and I’m sure it was and I don’t know. But I heard but tell your mother the Lord ’s Prayer and this is the part right here that can transform anybody’s life who’s listening. It says “Our Father which art in Heaven. Hallow it be Thy name, Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. Tell your mother that there is no sickness in Heaven.
Sid: Now, was this a kind of like an inner thought or was this actually an audible voice?
Sandra: Well, I’m sure that it must have been an inner, it scared me half to death to be honest, but the bottom line of it I heard it three times. And I had just led my older sister to the Lord and so I said “Lord tell somebody else.” So I get home. My mother is practically dead. Its Friday night, she is in this coma, she doesn’t even know I’m there. The next morning my sister calls and says to me, “I don’t know if I had a dream or what happened but I heard tell Momma “Our Father which art in Heaven Hallow it be Thy name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven tell Momma there is no sickness in Heaven.” So we came and Momma was laid out on the bed because at that time they would bring people home to die. She was laid out on the bed and we for hours, Sid said over and over and over and over “Our Father which art in Heaven Hallow it be Thy name, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven; Momma there is no sickness in Heaven.” We never changed it, we never did anything but said that for hours. Of course when Mother gradually waked up after five or six hours she waked up and then I asked that fundamental question, which is fundamental to all your listeners I said Mother said that maybe it’s the Lord’s you know, wants me – it’s His will for me to die. I said well if it is His will for you to die Momma throw away all this medicine and go on and die. Why do you want to go against the Lord’s will? I was a little smart relic you know. Then I threw all her medicine in the trash can if you think that is its God’s will then throw it away and die. I said what if it is not God’s will? What if you play a part in it? What if He gives you a choice to believe His word? And she said back to me, she said “Well I would choose to live. And when she made that choice, to choose to live and take the word of God she was instantly healed and written across her record at the Medical College of Georgia was Miracle.
Sid: She had cancer, the record proved it and they wrote across it Miracle. Boy, I would have like to have seen that. Now we’ve asked you of all the things that you’ve done to put a kit together because, although you’ve had, and will talk about it this week, major, I mean unbelievable miracles in your personal life I think you have such a great satisfaction in showing people what you can do, everyone else can do.
Sandra: Absolutely anybody, that’s what I do. I teach people how to do this; how to take the word of God and make it work in somebody’s life.
Sid: And the fundamental question that most people ask is “Can God be trusted for me?” You know it’s good, yes you can say a cliché, God can be trusted but what if you have cancer? What if you have diabetes? What if you have a tumor on the brain and your foundational book you make everyone read “Preparations for a Move of God” which is not just healing it’s every realm of moving in the supernatural promises of God.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with John Paul Jackson, and I’m so excited the Lord Himself came to John Paul Jackson and said that there will be 10-year window of horrific things that are gonna happen on the earth, but that doesn’t mean they have to happen to us. And there is a key and it has to do with justice. Over 500 times in the scriptures justice is mentioned. And there’s a scripture, was it Jeremiah, “No one calls out for justice”?
JOHN PAUL: Isaiah 59.
SID: Isaiah 59: “No one has called out for justice.” And tell me, explain what injustices could be going on in people’s lives and explain how justice will change it.
JOHN PAUL: Well there’s two things that happen. People can invite the enemy into the light because they do wrong and simple things. But there’s an issue where you’ve done nothing wrong and yet something happens to you, and that’s where the enemy intrudes into your life. He steals life from you, he steals finances from you, he steals your emotions, he steals marriages, he steals relationships, and it can happen for generations. So crying out for justice is the act of asking God to uphold His throne. Psalms tells us that the foundations of the Throne of God are built on two things: righteousness and justice. If either one of those aren’t implemented then the throne topples. That is not going to happen. So therefore, we are able to cry out to God for justice. Justice is too facetted. So you have, let’s say you have a one-ton attack on your life and you cry out to God, you would expect a one-ton anointing or a one-ton repayment to come back to you, one ton stolen or five dollars stolen, five dollars back, one ton stolen, one ton back.
SID: That would be fair.
JOHN PAUL: That would be fair, but it doesn’t take care of your pain. It doesn’t take care of your sustenance. It doesn’t take care of the emotional duress. It doesn’t take care of the loss of life that you had prior to the settlement. So what God does, and it’s covered in the scripture, “What the palmer worm has eaten, what the cank worm has eaten I will repay seven times” or they will restore seven times what they ate or they stole is the settlement in addition to the justice given. So there’s part of justice is not just for one thing for one thing, there is additional implementation that God gives in our lives. And so we have, for example, a lady in Ohio was calling out unto God for issues that had gone on in her marriage, issues that had gone on her family, and she had an autistic son. She’s asking for justice to come, and not knowing how it’s going to come, because sometimes we don’t know. It’s not like you get a dollar for a dollar. Justice comes in many different ways that God chooses. In this particular case–
SID: So it’s up to the judge.
JOHN PAUL: It’s up to the judge.
SID: As to what the settlement is.
JOHN PAUL: Exactly. He determines the settlement. But you cry out for justice. He gives you justice. In this particular case, not only was her real estate issues that were solved in her family, but her autistic son over a short period of time was healed of autism that he had to where he was able to communicate, and it wasn’t just like barely healed. He was totally healed of this autism that he had. Justice, in her case, meant the healing of her son as well.
SID: Many times, and you’ve alluded to this, generationally there’s been injustice and many people call it curses, and they are curses. But from generations, there’s an alcoholic in each family passes on and on. These are injustices. Do you have an example of someone that has taken your teaching and got a settlement for all these injustices happening to them?
JOHN PAUL: Sure. I mean, there’s many different ones. The issue, curses are passed down to the third and fourth generations. Blessings are also passed down to the third and fourth generation. So when the enemy steals from, say your great-great-grandfather, then let’s just say he stole a million dollars. The lifestyle of the family is affected by the loss of those finances for the next several generations to come. So what happens is justice is waiting for somebody to cry out for it, and it will wait for three and four generations.
SID: It sounds too simple, John Paul.
JOHN PAUL: Well sometimes we try to make God complicated and God wants it to be very simple. He wants us to cry out. That’s why it says no one cries out for justice. We have to cry out for it. So there’s another individual who had issues of real estate. Their great-grandfather lost real estate and years and years had passed, and they had not been able to own a home. The grandfather had not been able to own a home. The father had not been able to own a home. They had not been able to own a home.
SID: I’ve seen this poverty passes on.
JOHN PAUL: Poverty passes on.
SID: That’s an injustice.
JOHN PAUL: And injustice, exactly. We cry out for justice, and so God give us ideas. God gives us understanding. And what ends up happening within a few weeks of crying out for justice they were able to buy their first house. And after that they had another piece of property, a commercial piece of property that they had not been able to close on trying to sell, hadn’t been able to sell it. That also sold and justice began to happen to them. They’re financial structure dramatically changed because they cried out for justice.
SID: Okay. In your words with this 10-year window of, I would call it judgments in all of these different areas. By the way, you told me something God showed you about gold. Tell me about it.
JOHN PAUL: Yes. The gold was going to dramatically increase in price, dramatically increase in price.
SID: There was another thing you told me about it. Not all gold is–
JOHN PAUL: Not all gold is gold.
SID: What did that mean to you?
JOHN PAUL: It meant that there is gold in the U.S. Treasury that is not gold. It has a gold covering, but underneath it, it is not gold.
SID: So you’re telling me that as broke as the U.S. is we’re even broker?
JOHN PAUL: We are even broker.
SID: Okay. Why is it so important at this moment with this 10-year window of all these judgments that are coming on America, why is it so important? Why are you so passionate to teach this?
JOHN PAUL: Because when justice comes it will come in the most opportune time that the judge knows how to deliver it, and you’ll have ideas that you never had before. You’ll have innovations you never had before. You’ll have ways of avoiding issues that you never even thought of before. You’ll have provision that you’ve never even dreamt of before. These type of things God wants to put a whole new mindset into you, and part of that is the issue of justice. God wants to give justice and change the way we think. Poverty mentality is exactly that. It’s a mentality and justice will break that mentality, and you’ll find ideas coming to you that will work.
SID: You know what I think is so wonderful, is when God shows up, whether He shows up in the arenas you’re talking about or John Paul Jackson was in England. Four hundred people sitting in an auditorium. And this is Chanukah-Christmas time, the Festival of Lights. You don’t know what lights are until God’s lights show up. After all, the Messiah said, “I am the Light of this world.” Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.
SID: Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter Here with Dr. Pat Holliday and I have to tell you I feel like the presence of God is all over us. And you know what that means? It’s about ready to be poured out through your television sets right now. Now Pat, you told me some amazing miracles took place in Trinidad. What happened?
PAT: Yes, I was ministering in a church that had about a thousand people in there. God was working miracles and all of a sudden, it was finished, but I looked out at this woman and I said “Don’t you want a miracle too?” She said “Yes” and she came up, but before she said “Every time I hear the name of Jesus I get scared and I don’t know what that is.” I said “Oh I know what that is.”
SID: I’m sure you do.
PAT: So come on up, so she came up and Sid, her face was like this twisted – about that far sideways. The whole face -it looked like somebody had just punched her in the jaw right. So I laid my hands on her. I felt the Lord’s hands come upon my hand. And then supernaturally it felt like clay being molded.
SID: You could feel this under your hand?
PAT: Yeah it just felt like, you know, clay. And her eyes were like this, straight ahead you know. And then all of a sudden she blinked at me like this. And she started running around the church. She said “I’m healed! I can see! I can see!” And I didn’t really even know that she could not see.
SID: You were just praying for the disfigurement in her face.
PAT: Yeah and so what happened was she came back up. And I took her and I said “Let’s get rid of the fear of Jesus.” And so I called the witchcraft power out of her. And when I did she got deliverance instantly. But her little nephew came up to me and “He said that’s my grandma.” He said I live right underneath her. And he said at nighttime I can hear her growling like some kind of an animal. And I said “Son, tell your grandma never to go back to the witch doctor.” Now the word that the Lord gave me when I called the spirit out was obeda. And so I asked the pastor I said “What does the word obeda mean?” He said “That means witch doctor down here.” So she had been going to the witch doctor.
SID: Now how did you know that word? How did you know, in their language, the name of that spirit?
PAT: God gave it to me through a word of knowledge.
SID: You operate that way a lot; in other words you know what the spirits are inside of people.
PAT: Sometimes you can see them. Sometimes it comes through a word of knowledge. And other times you just walk up and cast it out. You see them sometimes. You hear the Lord’s voice sometimes. And other times – you’ve done it so long; I’ve done this for 30 years. That you just know God doesn’t have to do anything. You just see it and know it.
SID: There is such a presence of God right now. What does God want you to do?
PAT: What does he want me to do? I want to tell you what God told me. He said America is filled with people infiltrating the church. The pastors can’t see them, but there’s an army that God has trained in the deliverance ministry as he has me. And I’m telling you pastor, if you want revival to come to this land, you’re going to have to pull in the other third of the Bible where Jesus was casting out devils. And you might say “Oh I can’t do that; it’s undignified. Let me tell you it’s a crime to see people demon possessed and send them to psychiatrists and psychologists. And they never get free. A lot of them just walk out of the church because they find no power there. You need to get on your knees and pray and ask God to reveal to you the power of God. You’ll never walk without it once you’ve have it.
SID: You know Pat, I am feeling such a presence of God right now. I believe there are people that pains in their fingers. It’s arthritis but I command in Yeshua; that’s Hebrew, in Yeshua’s name, that that spirit causing the arthritis be bound. And in Yeshua’s name come out. And there are other people that your back is just bothering you. You know who you are. If you will, this is a gift from God for you right now. And yes, the people with the neck problem move your head. Actually any sort of pain; if you’ll bend your back or move your head. But you know what? I believe that any pain in your body is being lifted. Right now in Yeshua’s name. And I believe that. Very quickly Pat, would you break curses over people right now?
PAT: Yes, in the name of Jesus. Father, I take authority over every person that’s looking at this program; every Christian. I say that the Bible says that Jesus Christ took the curses when he hung on the tree according to Galatians. And I break those curses that are shown in the word over every single person and at the same time I release you from your bondages; all kinds of bondages. Those healings that just took place; a lot of times it’s just a devil. And we command those tormenting spirits to come out of you in Jesus’ name. And release God’s people. You no longer can have hold of God’s people in America. We’re breaking it all over the world. And I say in the name of Jesus, I release the blessings to come into you right now.
SID: And the greatest blessing that can come into you. Right now is for you to know God for yourself. Don’t because Dr. Pat does or I do; it’s up to you to. Tell God you’re sorry for what you’ve…tell him you believe Jesus died in your place and by his blood you are forgiven; in your own words. And then your sins will be washed away. And as you’re clean you can open yourself up. And say Jesus, live inside of me, be real to me. I want to know you. I want real peace, real shalom. I’m tired with the junk. I want the real thing.
Sid: When that wall comes down, that’s why Jesus was so excited about the wall coming down between Jew and Gentile. When that wall comes down it will form, according to Paul a full dwelling place of God by His Spirit. So you see the magnitude of it, but in the meantime, as this is beginning to happen and you just look at Israel, and you can see the pressure on Jewish people today. And I believe that we’re about ready to see the spiritual scales come off the eyes of Jewish people, especially in Israel and the rest of the world like no generation has ever seen. You know I think that Jewish people are the most love starved people on the face of this earth. And when a Christian has A Revelation Of Father God and God’s love begins to flow through them, they begin to live in God’s love; their walking in joy, their walking in His love 24-7. I don’t see how anyone can resist the love of God the Father and my guest has experienced this love. And I believe that she was raised up by God to demonstrate and teach His love; the revelation of His love; how to walk in His love; how to have intimacy with God the Father. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that AJ Jones was raised in a dysfunctional, may not be the right word; it’s a worse word but I don’t know what it is it is a dysfunctional family. Both of her parents drank, her father was a raging alcoholic and she was so afraid of him that her mother literally put a lock on the closet door so that AJ could go into the closet and put a lock on so to protect her from her father. And she was thrown, at three years of age she was thrown down a flight of stairs by her father when he was a drunken stupor. And she had severe asthma to the point that she spent many months in an oxygen tent to the point where she had to live with her grandparents and there was a time though, I asked her about if she knew God. She really didn’t, if she was born again, she really wasn’t. And she was upset with her sister, there was not only problems with her mother and father but with her siblings and she wanted to hurt her sister. Her sister was having a Birthday party, she figured if she could do something else that would really hurt her sister. So of all things AJ you go to a youth Bible camp meeting, tell me about that.
AJ: Well, it was kind of funny, because my cousin had invited me to about forty-eight of them before this point, but I wasn’t really motivated to go until you know, this moment when I wanted to hurt my sister. So I remember packing my bags and leaving in the front hall so that when my sister got home she would see that I was leaving and as I left the house I felt like okay my goal has now been accomplished, I don’t even care what happens the rest of the weekend. But apparently God had a bigger plan than that and so we drove up to this Baptist Retreat Center. And I’m pretty sure I was the only person there that didn’t know Jesus, you know. They all knew the songs and they all you know knew when to sit and stand and clap and that kind of stuff and I was just sort of completely out of my depth. But I remember sitting in this service and the preacher you know was talking and he said, “What am I, and he started asking these questions,” So he said, “What am I, I have four legs and I stand in a family and I have a soft back and I’m a soft back and I’m a cherished possession. And I was thinking to myself, dude you’re a dog and we’re not kids here, can we move on; I want to get out of this service and I want to go play in the snow; and I just really wasn’t connecting. And then he put up this overhead of a chair and I remember looking at this chair, this picture of a chair and I was totally confused and he said, “You know you can know everything about something and still miss what it is. You can know how to describe it, you can explain the story of Christmas you know, but you can still miss what the message was. And he went on to talk about the love of God. And I remember the first time in my life, thinking to myself, “If what this man is saying is true, then somebody loves me, not my bother more or my sister more, but somebody actually loves me. And if that’s true, then just tell me where to sign, you know. So it was it was a huge moment for me to think, I’m now the age of fifteen and I’m thinking somebody actually loves me, maybe this is going to change everything.
Sid: So, you really had an experience with the love of God, but you go home, you still have your asthma you’re dealing with, you still have the anorexic condition; you still are suicidal; and you’re in school. How old were you when your mother came and interrupted everything and you’re in class and you’re embarrassed and you want her out!
AJ: Yeah, I was just shortly after I got saved actually, it was actually about six months after I got saved and God had been knocking on my heart about forgiving my Dad. And with me the way God did that was that everywhere I went I would hear a message on forgiveness and I was just like, “What!” But every time I heard a message on forgiveness, my answer was, No, he doesn’t deserve it. And so in the midst of all of that I’m writing this exam in high school and my mom comes in while I’m writing the exam and says to the teacher, “You know Allison needs to come with me right now and she’ll finish her exam later.” And I had a lot of attitude as a teenager and so I said to my mom in front of all these students, “You know, clearly I’m writing an exam and I’ll see you in the hallway when I’m done.” And so my mom said, in front of all these students your father’s in the hospital; he’s not going to make it; you need to come and say goodbye right now. And so you know, I just looked at her and said, “I said goodbye a year and a half ago, let him die” and just went back to writing my exam. I had really long hair at the time and my mom actually used my hair to get me out of the classroom which wasn’t a great moment for me in high school. And we went to the hospital to go and say goodbye to my Dad.
Sid: He wanted to see only one member of the family, and of all the members of your family, I would have thought you would have been the least likely, but he could only see one member and he said, “I want to see AJ,” what did you think when you heard that?
AJ: Yeah, well I freaked out, I mean I didn’t know why he was there, you know I didn’t know what had happened to get him in the hospital and basically this was on a Monday, on a Friday my Dad and my sister had been talking and my Dad had said, “I want to have a relationship with Allison again.” And so my sister had said to him, “You need to stop drinking” and so he did, but he ended up having a massive seizure because he didn’t get any help and he had been drinking a lot for a number of years. And so he fell down a bunch of stairs and was found unconscious.
Sid: And you didn’t know the reason that he was dying; that he fell down those stairs, was to have a relationship with you.
AJ: Yeah, yeah, and I mean so yeah I had no idea so he had split his head open and he’d split his tongue in half and there was a bunch of internal bleeding and there was broken ribs and just craziness, but I standing in the hospital having no idea that him being there had anything to do with me. And then the doctor comes out and says “We’re going to let one of you go and see him” and I didn’t want to go so my brother and sister that were actually his favorite kids out of the four of us started fighting over who was going to go in and see him. And I was sitting there reading cheesy romance novel pretending that this wasn’t my family and this wasn’t my life and…
Sid: And just out of curiosity was that your escape in life?
AJ: That was my escape; I mean I read… I’m talking about those 4 to 600 page romance novels. I would read one…
Sid: My mother use to do that, but I never could understand but now I do understand why she use to read those things all the time, she was escaping reality.
AJ: Yeah, yeah so that’s what I was doing, trying to escape the emergency room. So anyway yeah, so the doctor came back out, he went in and said to my Dad that “Here’s the kids that are here,” my one brother wasn’t there. He came back out and he said that, “He wants to see Allison.” And I didn’t want to go, but my mother started yelling at me in the emergency room so I went to escape my mom, I went with the doctor and I was terrified. I hadn’t seen my Dad in over a year and half and I was just really scared and I guess I must have been shaking because the doctor, when we got to you know the emergency room’s was just like a bed with a little curtain around it, it wasn’t like a separate little room per person or anything. And so when we got to the end of his bed, he said, “He’s in there and I’ll stand right here.” And I was like, “Okay,” and so he must had realized I was afraid, I don’t know why he would have said that. But I remember going around the curtain and my Dad was lying there and I had never seen him look weak, and they had sewed his head back up and sewed his tongue back together and stuff but he looked really rough. So when I came in he…
Sid: When he had a seizure and fell down the stairs, how many stairs was it?
AJ: I think it was ninety-two.
Sid: My goodness, that’s quite a fall!
AJ: Yeah, and their straight down so it was in a like a townhouse development that was kind of raised up so it was several floors worth of stairs, but they just went straight down into the parking garage.
Sid: Now, what was the doctor’s prognosis on your father?
AJ: Well, the doctor said that they basically they had you know managed to sew up a bunch of things, but they couldn’t get the bleeding internally to stop and so they didn’t believe that he was going to make it through the night.
Sid: Oops were out of time again, I’m sorry; we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Gary and Faye Whetstone. And I mean did you ever see the movie – what was it? …Over the cuckoo…?
GARY: “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest“
SID: “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.” I saw that movie and my guest lived that movie!You know what a lobotomy is? That’s where they reduce you to being a 2 year old.No hope of reversal.I mean a horrible fate, and Gary was about ready to have one of these.But let’s go back. Here you’re a good student.You’re a star athlete.Everything’s going your way and a freak accident.What happened to you?
GARY: I hit a car head on, sledding when I was probably in ninth grade and it drove my arm straight through my back.And that’s where my football arm was, my swimming arm, my tennis arm; everything I did was gone.
SID: Yes but you still could be a good student, so what’s the deal?
GARY: My identity was built on my performance, and I lost all motivation.Had no desire to succeed, had no desire to learn, no desire to relate to the same relationships; because all of my friends were gone.
SID: So your friends were gone.You got new friends, so what were you involved in?
GARY: Well the problem was the new friends; now my brother was the president of the pagan motorcycle club at the time; and my swing went from the student council president, captain of the football team, all the way over to the organized crime world.And I still had some mental capacity to me, but I had such a low self-image, it was the most tormented life you could ever imagine.Until one day I walked into a house.I was carrying what you carry when you’re doing your drug dealing.And these people were massacred.My mind snapped just like a twig.The next thing I knew, all I heard was voices inside my mind.And SidI went as insane as any human being could ever be insane.
SID: You actually went into someone’s house and you thought it was your house? Explain.
GARY: Right after that,I literally turned into a raving maniac.And I would have these voices go off inside of me.And one of them told me that this woman was my wife, that was my house, and everything in there was mine.I kicked in the front door, knocked over the fish tank.Her husband came down, started fighting; knocked him out.She ended up calling 911, and the next thing I knew I was up against a fence with a sawed off shotgun in my mouthwith the S.W.A.T. team.And I was just kicking the guy between the legs, telling him go ahead and blow my head off.I don’t care.From that point
SID: You can understand how some of these people that hear these voices:Son of Sam, et cetera;I mean you experienced it.
GARY: It’s very real.It is not a joke.It’s not just hype.It’s not stories, because when the state police took me; it turned out that the woman’s home that I broke into was actually a psychiatric nurse.And if that wasn’t the grace of God;she pleaded that there was a mental condition this person had and not to press charges.And they certainly had the right to do it.And they took me to the mental hospital, and after a period of time I ended up being locked up in an isolated area.And I literally turned into an experimental guinea pig for the state of Delaware.
SID: How…At your worst moment, what were you like in that mental institution?
GARY: Well they would shoot me up with Thorazine and Melareal and all these different drugs that would knock a horse out.And I lived in a padded cell that I’d eat out of the same pan I’d go to the bathroom in every day; and it absolutely had no effect on me.I had a little tiny hole in the window and my knuckles would just be blood raw with the rage.And the anger and the torment that was in my mind.Because I wasn’t allowed to be with anybody in an open population;they kept me totally isolated.
SID: Now did they explain to you about this experimental electronic lobotomy they were going to do to you? Did they even bother explaining to you?
GARY: Well, one day they took me into a psychiatrist’s office where they would restrain my hands and my feet; and my parents had already signed a waiver of the state, that if they had killed me or permanently maimed me, there was no legal recourse.And I was notified that I had lost all constitutional rights as a human being; and that I no longer was a citizen.I was now a ward of the state for an experimental program; and they explained they were going to drill a hole; somewhere about 3 inches around; insert an electric probe into the lobule area of the brain, and remove all memory; which would reduce me to about a 3 year old.
SID: At that point did it bother you they were going to do this?
GARY: Well,I had heard that this had happened to people, but I’d also heard that no one ever lived through it.
SID: Now where did they come up with such a horrible experiment?
GARY: Well one of the interesting points was that, years later I was with another psychiatrist that I had talked to; and he said that this procedure was developed in Auschwitz during the time of the Nazi concentration with the Jews.It was actually one of the processes that they had used for behavioral control of the Jewish people in the concentration camps.
SID: So two days before they’re going to reduce you to a vegetable or die, a man starts talking to you.Where did he come from?
GARY: You know the only thing I can say is a friend of mine that I had in school had gone to a church one day and begged this preacher to come and meet me.And they had me restrained with my hands and feet, but they took me out of that isolation area.And I went into the solarium and they locked the door.And they took the things off my hands and feet.And I’m thinking, what are they doing this for? And I look up and this man is sitting there and he says “Gary?”And I said “Yeah?” He said “The power of sin is going to kill you.”I thought sin was the procedure they were going to do, and I thought he was the priest giving me the last rites.I wasn’t Catholic, but I figured somebody sent him in and told me that this was… But I was so drugged up.I couldn’t even think.And then I really don’t remember the words that he said, but I do know that I heard this word “Jesus and heart.”And the next thing I knew,I was on the carpet.I was just crying and crying and crying.I couldn’t figure out what happened.Then I got up off the carpet and my mind cleared.Voices were gone; the torment was gone; the anger, the rage, the mental desire to attack was gone.
SID: Yeah, but in two days they’re going to make you a vegetable,and now you really understand it.Did you tell the doctors you’re ok?
GARY: Well,I said to the guy that came in,I said “What did you do?” He said “You’re saved.”I said “What’s that?” He said “You’re born again.”I said “What’s that?” He said “I’m sorry I have another appointment.”I said “You can’t leave me.What did you do to me?” I didn’t know who he was.So they let me back into my isolation area and all night long,I just beat on that window and just told them “I’m sane!I’m sane!”And finally after about 8 hours, the orderly came by and he says “What do you want?” I said “I’m sane!”He said “Right!”I said “I’ve got to see the head psychiatrist.”Well after a period of time, they came back in; shackled me back up again; led me right back to the head psychiatrist; sat me down and took the restraints off my hands; which I’m thinking “This guy is like the other guy, because I’m free”so this is going to work out great.So I’m sitting there.My mind is clear and I said to him “I’m sane.”He said “You’re sane?” I said “Yeah.”He said,“Tell me what happened to you.”I said “A man came in, told me, I don’t know what these words are, but I’m saved and I’m born again.I don’t know what they are but…And he told me that God is in me and I now can think.”
SID: What did he say to you?
GARY: He said “Do you believe that now God is in you?” I said “Yeah.That’s it.God’s in me.”He said “You realize that this is now a further digression of your acute state of paranoia, multiple personality disorder,” and he goes on with this list of things.And I realized he didn’t believe me.And as soon as this clicked in, he didn’t believe me,I lunged over the top of that table; grabbed him…
SID: Now he’s really going to believe you?
GARY: You know not everybody knows how to act like they’re supposed to when they come out of a mental hospital. The only problem was I was still in.I wasn’t out yet.
SID: But you heard a voice and this voice said “Run!”What did you do? What did it mean?
GARY: Well, he obviously hit a panic button and the orderlies came and chained me back up again.And I’m on my way back to my isolation ward; only this time what they did was they didn’t want to handle me.Because when you’re violent in that area, they just kind of guide you by open and shut doors.And I was in a hallway that actually had open windows.Not open, but they were chained.They had bars and gates on them and stuff like that,the windows. But there was a double set of doors there that were double locked with chains around it and all that.And it was snowing outside and I had property of the state hospital pants and t-shirt on, and socks.Of course they don’t give you shoes because of the threat of, you know.And I hear this voice –“Run!” And I’m used to hearing voices so the only difference is this one’s different.And I’m talking to this voice.“Ok, run?Ok, run where?” If I run back and forth there’s only 5 feet between that wall and that wall.Well I’d been running back and forth in my padded cell for a long time so that wouldn’t get me anywhere.And then I thought, well if I run this way that guard is down there watching me.He’s going to open the door.If I run back this way, the guy is going to push me back that way.So where am I going to go? I hear this voice say “Run!” I said “Ok where?” And as soon as that happened,I looked over to the left and there were two deadbolts on that door; and they were both opened.And they were keyed deadbolts and the padlocks were opened.
GARY: The door was actually unlocked and I escaped out of that mental hospital that day in November.
SID: You know this is very supernatural.It’s impossible what he did, but rather than going through this lobotomy, he went out of a door in a high security mental institution!Walked out with guards and everything!Don’t go away!Boy, wait till you find out what happened next!
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah. She’s a Jewish Believer in the Messiah like myself, and she is the Co Producer of “Its Supernatural” television and “Messianic Vision” radio, Janie DuVall. And were talking this week about the gift that’s been hijacked and it’s called in the Bible, in the Greek Literal in Acts 6:4 it’s called “the prayer”. Not prayer but “the prayer” in the Greek. And what was “the prayer?” “The prayer” was something that we could do continually and what was the results of doing “the prayer” continually? I mean 24-7; the results were there was revival in the land. Rabbis, Jewish Rabbis became believers in Jesus. People were full of faith and power and they were doing wonderful signs. When? When they were able to pray in “the prayer” and “the prayer” is supernatural languages or tongues. And I was reminiscing with Janie as a new believer in the Messiah I use to pray in tongues at least an hour every day. And I didn’t realize what I was doing but I was praying my future. And I like to say that I heard from God and I started radio when I heard from God; I started one of the first Messianic Jewish Synagogues in modern times the United States of America and I heard from God and I started television show and I heard from God and actually this one I did. I did have a dream and we published “They Thought For Themselves” which we have over a million in print. We are about ready to send two million evangelistic books to two million Jewish households in America. But I can’t say that because I literally was pushed into all of these wonderful things. The only one that I heard from God on was I had a dream to write the book “They Thought For Themselves.” And God told me that I would reach more Jewish people with that than I have ever done, and it has turned to be a dream from God. But Janie some of the things, I mean it’s so funny it’s ridiculous. Like when I go into starting one of the first Messianic Jewish Synagogues in America I wanted nothing to do with it. I was a brand new believer, and we had a group called the Hebrew Christian Alliance, which is now called the Messianic Jewish Alliance. I was the head of it, and we had a picnic. One of the members, Paul Lieberman, said “my wife will never to a church she is too Jewish, and the church is too gentile for her. So what are going to do? Let’s start a Messianic Jewish Synagogue.” Well I never heard of such a thing. I thought it was absolutely ridiculous, but we knew nothing. So what do I know, in a synagogue you have a vote. So I had a vote of the members and they voted let’s have one service. So I said let’s have one, and that is how I got pushed, and I mean pushed into being involved in pioneering Messianic Judaism in America. I believe because I prayed in supernatural languages that’s why that happened. Now then with radio it was even worse, what do I say by worse? God put me in the oil business and I didn’t have to work much and God was blessing it beyond my wildest imagination and we needed a Rabbi for a Messianic Synagogue I was senior man and I was less than a year old in the Lord. And I hadn’t even read the entire Bible so we got a wonderful Messianic Jewish Rabbi by the name of Manny Brotman. And I volunteered my services with him and one day he started a radio show. He asked me to be the announcer I said no Manny I’ll do anything you ask but I will not be behind a microphone, he insisted. I proved to him that I was awful he still insisted that I keep doing it. I mean I was an awful announcer.
Janie: I can’t imagine.
Sid: I was awful. And then horror of all horrors, Janie, every interview something would happen and he couldn’t do the interview and if I didn’t do the interview there would be no show. So I was forced to do it and being forced to do it I realized that this was a gift that God had given me. I mean you could imagine my thoughts Janie, I’ll run out of things to say. Will just have silence. I mean the devil was having a field day with me I wanted to be on the business side of ministry but I was forced to do a radio show. And then the TV show is just as supernatural, “It’s Supernatural.” Now Janie was with me for the birth of the TV show and she knows that one day I got a phone call from a friend of mine and she said I’ve deposited $25,000 into Crossroads Communication, that’s a Christian television network in Canada. I wanted to bless them and I want to bless you. Start your TV show before I could tell her that we don’t have a TV show she hung up, and so we went up to Toronto, Canada and we started a television show. That’s the birth. So you can see I was pushed literally pushed into these things but the question that I ask you is why was I pushed into these things? I now know, because of all of those years of praying. All of those hours in supernatural languages, it was the Bible calls it a mystery. I was prophesying my future. I was putting it out in the atmosphere, I couldn’t help but do it even though my mind didn’t want to do it. Is that amazing Janie or is that amazing! It’s amazing to me!
Janie: But you know sometimes we get those thoughts in our head “Oh what is this doing I’m just praying in the Spirit and what is this doing?” And I also want to mention this, you know a lot of people who you have interviewed and who have had amazing things happen to them. And this past year so many even said, the key in my life of seeing Angels, the key of seeing supernatural provision and miracles and healing have been that I’ve been praying in the Spirit. But I want to say this, you know there are some people who pray in the Spirit and they feel like this really sounds really fake. I mean one of your guests I won’t mentioned their names but I have heard them praying in the Spirit and it sounds like they only have a few words. But I have to tell you the miracles that is in their life it doesn’t matter what their prayer language sounds like.
Sid: Janie there are people listening to us that were like us. Years ago they prayed a lot in supernatural languages, now it is the leftover. It’s the backroom and I believe they are going to get started again but there are many who have never prayed in supernatural languages and many of those listening to us have friends that they want to help move into this gift. So that’s why I’m so excited to release this week our brand new DVD called “Supernatural Languages Supernatural Power” and two CDS’s in which I do teaching and which I interviewed some people that were leaders in the Charismatic Movement of their experiences in the early days of speaking in tongues and between these two CDS’s and this DVD. And explain to the people about the DVD.
Janie: Well, the DVD we had a meeting at our home congregation. We invited people who were hungry who want to pray in the Spirit and to invite people who have never done it. So some people invited people who were not even interested in doing it at all and even kind of thought this is crazy. But when we had the meeting people’s eyes were opened spiritually. All of the sudden they saw why I need it. They were hungry for it and from children to older people all these people started praying in the Spirit who had never done it before.
Sid: You know it was like the old days when we first became believers in the Messiah and you know something that we haven’t even talked about yet. One of the most wonderful things that I saw as a new believer in Messiah was singing in the Spirit it was so orchestrated it was hard to believe that these people didn’t know each other when they came in. They didn’t have any words and it sounded like a perfect symphony and we did that that night and it got caught on this DVD. What was it like Janie?
Janie: It sounded like singing like angels and I want you to hear it now. (recorded excerpt)
Sid: Okay, I want to get this kit in your hands, it’s called “Supernatural Languages Supernatural Power”. It’s a DVD of that special meeting that I had, what an anointing on it and it’s two CDS’s that were done something like twenty years ago with people that were Leaders in the Charismatic Movement telling their secrets.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. And this is Thanksgiving, and there is one couple that is so excited because they had a miracle on Thanksgiving. Her husband was trying to get home to her and the little plane went down in the ocean. People didn’t know where it was. He was in the freezing water for 40 hours, literally passed out, sharks swimming all around. Everyone should have given up. But his wife didn’t give up. She knew about the wonderful promises in the 91st Psalm and began praying them. And her husband knew about those promises. He didn’t lose his cool. He just stood on those promises. And we call it a Thanksgiving miracle, and I believe as you see this, you too, are going to have a Thanksgiving miracle. But Peggy Joyce Ruth, you know, it says, “To much is given there’s more responsibility.” You were given your life back as far as I can see. You wanted to share the Good News with a Buddhist housewife. You go there. What happened?
PEGGY: I was a little Baptist girl and I didn’t know about spiritual warfare. But I just didn’t want her going to hell. And so I went over and I started sharing with her and she said, “If you’ll give me equal time.” Well that sounded reasonable. And so she said, “I just want you to keep an open mind.” Well I’ve often said that I kept such an open mind that my brain fell out. I didn’t find it for another eight years. But I left her house that day absolutely terrified.
SID: And in a state of confusion.
PEGGY: Complete confusion.
SID: And you know, this shouldn’t have happened, but it happened. And for eight years she went through hell. She had electric shock treatments. But just as it happened, suddenly she started reading books about people that found such joy that were filled with the spirit of God and began speaking in supernatural languages. So she got prayer for that and what happened?
PEGGY: I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. My husband and we were actually in New Orleans at a Pepsi Cola meeting and we both received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And for the next two years, now keep in mind I had been tormented for eight years. I can’t even begin to describe the torment. For two years I was in the most peace. It was just wonderful. It was like a honeymoon with the Lord.
SID: But then that spirit of fear, as he often does, tried to come back and she wasn’t prepared, and that came back. But you had a vision in which you were really instructed, “It’s time to become a true follower in the Messiah. It’s time to meditate on his promises.” And this was all new for you. And then you went through what is known as deliverance. But the thing that really did it was you had a question for God.
PEGGY: Yes. And I had asked the Lord, is there any way to be delivered and protected from all the things that we see coming on the earth? Because I was just hearing about Christians dying of cancer, having car wrecks. And so I said, is there any way to be protected? And I really wasn’t expecting an answer. But I lay down and went to sleep. I was only asleep like five minutes, but in that five minutes I had the most unusual spiritual dream.
SID: Tell me about it.
PEGGY: It was wonderful. I was out in this open field and I was asking the same question, Lord is there any way to be protected from all the things I see coming on the earth? And in the dream out of Heaven I heard the voice of God say, “In your day of trouble call on me and I will answer.” Well in the dream I just remembered that I got so excited I just thought I was just going to explode, I was so excited. And all of a sudden the field was full of people, just filled up. And we were all rejoicing and praising God, and singing, and so excited we could hardly stand it. Well I came away. I knew it was a spiritual dream.
SID: It was an answer to your question.
PEGGY: It was an answer to my question and God had spoken to me. But I didn’t even know that was a scripture. I had no idea what it meant, but I knew that God had spoken to me. The next day I heard the pastor’s wife just make a comment on a tape about Psalm 91. She said nothing else about Psalm 91, but I knew in my heart it was like it exploded on the inside of me. And I knew that whatever was in that psalm was my answer. And I almost tore up my Bible turning to Psalm 91. And when I got there, there was the exact statement that God had made in the dream.
SID: Wait a second. Yeah, the statement was there, but isn’t this a little obsessive, for 35 years you have been studying Psalm 91?
PEGGY: After I found out about Psalm 91, yes. I’ve studied it for 35 years.
SID: Why? I mean, you just read it, you know it.
PEGGY: Well there’s a lot more to it then just reading through it. And as I studied the psalm I found out that every evil known to man is covered in that psalm. It is a covenant. And in 1 Peter, I found out later that in 1 Peter 1:3-5, it tells us that we’re to thank God for the fact that we’re born again. We’re to thank Him for the fact that there’s an inheritance light up in Heaven, and then to thank Him for a protection covenant ready to be revealed in the end days, and that’s in the New American Standard. And I thought, that’s what it is. God has revealed this covenant and it was ready to be revealed in these end days, because we have so much coming against us. And if we don’t take God’s promises we’re going to go down just like everybody else, you know, just like the non-believer. But if we’ll take God’s promises it works.
SID: She has been studying Psalm 91 and she’s got it in every fiber of her being, and you heard what she said. It’s a covenant for protection against anything. Anything means sickness.
Anything means robbery. Anything means family problems. Anything means mental, emotional problems. Anything, anything. It’s so wonderful, Peggy Joyce Ruth, and you’ve investigated stories of people, especially, you know what excites me?
PEGGY: What is that?
SID: All of the people that you’ve talked with in military that have used Psalm 91 and it saved their life. One that comes to mind.
PEGGY: Well I loved going to Pagosa Springs and speaking to John Walker. He was in World War II. He had been sent to the Philippines. This is before the war actually started. And he was lying on his cot and his buddy was digging a foxhole, and the buddy called to him and he thought, oh I don’t want to go do that. And so he waited and the buddy called three times, and he finally got up, and as soon as he left his spot a bomb fell right where he had been lying. [explosion] And he got up there and the buddy had never called his name.
Man: I didn’t say anything.
John Walker: You didn’t call me?
Man: I didn’t say anything.
John Walker: Then who did?
PEGGY: And he knew then that God had a call on his life and it was his brother, who was a preacher back home, who was standing on Psalm 91, and everyday he was quoting Psalm 91 protection over that brother who was in the Philippines.
SID: You see what I mean. Wait ‘til you find out a woman that’s attacked by a rapist, another person that gets a dread disease. All of that is healed in Psalm 91. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.
Sid: My guest and I have had him on previously and I’m sure you are familiar with him John Paul Jackson. The Last time I interviewed John Paul we were talking about his DVD “The Perfect Storm.” And actually, as I understand it God began speaking to you, John Paul about what’s coming on the world as early as 1980, but you were not released to even talk about it until about 2008. You listed a number of things and a number of different arenas that the Spirit of God showed you was going to happen. Just out of curiosity tell me a couple of things that you had seen that have already taken place.
John Paul: Well one of the, first of all Sid, it’s great to be with you again, and thank you very much. The issue of the perfect storm has been kind of an enigma to me. It is one of those things where it pains you to see things coming to pass that you have been shown. At the same time it reinforced your belief that God is still God and nothing has changed with Him. He is still the same yesterday, today and forever. And so with that in mind you take a look and you see for example Russia is having the unusually hot summer. They had the hottest summer in their history. You have California in our continent and Washington having the coldest summers in their history. So much so that there is fruit on the vines strawberries etc. they cannot even harvest because they aren’t ripening and so they even end up rottening. Many of the crops are rotting because there is not enough heat to cause them to ripen. So one of the five things that we talked about was geophysical events that would be taking place in the world and here in the United States that substantiate this idea or the prophetic word the Lord gave me of the perfect storm. There was five things they showed: religion, politics, economics, war and geophysical issues. You see the escalation of events in Iran now that seemingly are saying with the loading of the nuclear reactor it is just a matter of time until somebody has to do something and so you see the signs pointing toward the reactors being hit by some type of explosive device of some kind.
Sid: Now you did speak in “The Perfect Storm” about Israel role there. What did you see?
John Paul: I saw Israel hitting Iran I saw the explosions being caused by Israel.
Sid: Now, I would have to think, not from a prophetic point but just cognizant of current events that this is coming up soon.
John Paul: Yeah, you would think because the nuclear reactor’s loaded the first of several that they are going to build. And I think there is maybe three now in operation and so all three of those would probably be filled with to the uranium and the cores. But then you know when the Lord started giving this to me they hadn’t even built the nuclear reactor and then in 2008 they weren’t even loading a nuclear reactor they were still arguing about whether they should build or not.
Sid: Now one of the things that you brought to my attention is that the Lord said that there would be an Islamic plot against the presidents of the United States for the sake of causing riots in America. In other words, they would hide the fact that there were Moslems that were going to do that. And you said to pray that this not happen, any more insight there?
John Paul: No, I haven’t, you know I keep praying obviously I pray daily over that issue that that would be diverted you know, until God tells me don’t pray like he told Amos, don’t pray for those people. I won’t hear you, I will not listen to you until I hear that coming from Him I’m going to continue to pray that it will be diverted because if that happens the blood bath that would erupt in the United States would be unprecedented.
Sid: It would be the worst thing that ever happened to America. The worst, and you told me before we went on the air that the Holy Spirit spoke something new to you about timing of the financial collapse in America.
John Paul: Right. Right, we have been talking about a bubble in the perfect storm and I said that there would come a bubble that it would looked like everything was getting better and so on and now I know that the bubble, and my prayer was that the bubble would last long enough to allow the Body of Christ to kind of get her act together and dissipate down, get her houses in order and so on before that hit or before the bubble broke. Now I know that 2011 is the year that the bubble breaks and so..
Sid: Hey, that’s coming up fast.
John Paul: It’s coming up fast. Right, I’m not saying that it’s going to happen on January the 1st.
Sid: You told me something about gold by the way. You told me that not all gold is gold. Tell me what you mean by that.
John Paul: There’s a surprise coming and this was you know, kind of unusual for me, and I’m still not even sure what it means. All I know is that not all gold is gold and know this that there is a surprise coming, where that many, even here in the United States they are going to find out that not all the gold we have in, for example I am guessing in Fort Knox, although he did not specifically say Fort Knox, that is just my sub sedition would be that not all gold we have in storage is gold and that there is somehow there is a type of counterfeit gold or there is something that fools people.
Sid: But, you know what, if that is the case then the value of gold will be worth even more. You know, I’m reminded of the, I believe an angel or there was a dream that your Mother had that you would be an eleventh hour prophet. Tell me about that.
John Paul: Right, my Mother had this visitation of an angel of the Lord to her before I was even conceived because she had had a miscarriage and the angel told her not to grieve any longer that she would have a son and that she was to call his name John Paul and that he would have an eleventh hour ministry and even that pregnancy would be a sign to that eleventh ministry. And she was pregnant with me eleven months. So I am sixty years old right now and I’m just figuring out what an eleventh hour ministry.
Sid: I was just going to ask you, I know what the terminology means but what does that mean to you?
John Paul: It means that in the last days and that’s when I was born for a time and that time is the last days. You know, what is a definition of the last days? There are all kinds of different definitions that are out there. My definition of it is basically a time period an immediately preceding the returning of the Lord.
Sid: Well, I happen to believe that this DVD that we offered awhile ago and it is still available on our web page if you go there. It is called the “The Perfect Storm” is an eleventh hour prophecy. And I’ll tell you something I did not know about you, we have a mutual friend who is now in Heaven Ruth Ward Heflin and in 1981 you had a supernatural call into the ministry in which God used Ruth Ward Heflin. She was in Israel. Tell me briefly that story. I find that fascinating.
John Paul: It is fascinating, she was in her home in Jerusalem and was awaken by an angel of the Lord and told to go to the Tele Aviv airport. Await there and a man would give her money to buy a same day ticket to Dallas, TX where she was to do a live broadcast, because there was a young man gifted in dreams and visions that was there that was resisting the call of God into the ministry and it was time for him to begin that journey. So she went to the airport. A long story made short, the man gave her the money and she was just waiting there and she walks up to her and asks her. You know, are you going to America? Are you going to Dallas? Do you have your ticket? Do you have the money? And literally throws a waded up roll of money at her and says here, take it and stomps off and it was actually to the dollar what she needed to buy a same day ticket. Now, same day tickets aren’t cheap. So she bought the ticket, went to the radio station that the angel told her to go to. The radio station just happened to have a program where the head of the program was called out of town on family issues and they had two hours a day for three days Wednesday, Thursday, Friday to talk about dreams and visions. She was told to do a live broadcast so that the young man would call in. Well, she gets on the phone and she was doing the broadcast and several young men called in and say I’m the young man, I know I’m resisting the call and she would tell them, you may have a gift but you are not the young man that God sent me here for. And the second day the same thing happened and the third day the same thing happened. Well by the third day, I’m praying for this young man and I’m actually crying for this young man because I’m saying Lord, touch this break this hard heart of his; cause his radio just to turn his radio there; have him push it and just goes there do something God to get this young man’s attention. There was about ten minutes left in the broadcast and I hear the Lord speaking to me in my spirit I guess it was real but. My secretary heard me talking outside my closed door because I thought that she might think that I am having a nervous breakdown. Because I was in the corporate world at this time; I’m like an upper management a major Fortune 500 company. I was a 30 year old and I’m thinking I’ve got the road of gold ahead of me here. So I closed the door she hears me talking but she doesn’t hear another party in there talking. Finally I told the Lord okay, he said call in. I said why? You have dreams and visions and I said they have real dreams and visions. And he said son, you have real dreams and visions just call in. So I said okay, but I’m going to have to bypass the switch board. If this is you, this is my fleece, I don’t know what you think about fleeces, but I used one. I said Lord, if this is you and you really want me to call in then let me by pass the switchboard and go straight into the control room I want to hear “you’re live on the air” and if I don’t hear that I’m hanging up the phone. So I call in and..
Sid: You know, I hate to do this, were out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast. But, Mishpochah we have what John Paul Jackson considers his most important end time teaching that if he had nothing else he could talk about, he would talk about the revelation that God gave him on receiving God’s Justice. You see there have been things stolen from you; stolen from your parents and even stolen from your ancestors. But you know enough about what’s has been stolen from you and John Paul Jackson has the key to have justice in your life. The CD & the DVD is called “Keys to Receiving God’s Justice” and a special CD bonus called naturally supernatural. And you will hear people’s reactions. It is thrilling. When there are lights whirling all around and you know that it’s not natural.