SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with JonathanWelton. And Jonathan had the most miraculous thing happen. A prophet said that he was a seer. That means he can see into the invisible world and that for 30 days his eyes were opened and he could see. He could tell if someone was a believer, if they were a non-believer. He would see words. What type of words might you see over a person?
JONATHAN: Well I saw a lot of words that might say “depression”, “unforgiveness”, “bitterness”, “resentment”, “fear”, things that usually were negative.
SID: Now when you see the words, is it like just the word? Is it like a chalkboard? What do you really see?
JONATHAN: Well sometimes it would be written on an object that was stuck in a person. You might see, you know, we use the phrase someone’s been “stabbed in back”.
JONATHAN: And so there might be the word “rejection” written on the sword stuck in someone’s back.
SID: Tell me about the woman that had these eight-foot swords, spears in her.
JONATHAN: Yeah, this was wild. I had seen a lot of things. But the Lord started to teach me that these objects had to do with physical healings. And one of the key verses was Proverbs 12:18, and it says, “Reckless words pierce like a sword.” And “The tongue of the wise brings healing.” So I said, “Lord, give me the tongue of the wise.” I had this lady come and she sat down in a chair at one of my meetings where I was praying for healing, and she looked like a pincushion. She had spears in the Spirit that were sticking out in every direction, about eight to ten feet. And on each spear it had a word. It had “fear”. It had “rejection”, “unforgiveness”, “bitterness”. And I got close to her and I said, as I always do, “Can I lay hands on you to pray?”
And this was the first and only time she said, “No, please don’t” because it physically hurt if you touched her. And I said, “Well can I tell you what I’m seeing?” And I described it to her. And she said, “Well that makes sense because I’m all these medications for fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, Epstein Barr virus and social anxiety disorders as well.” So when someone gets within the eight to ten feet range of her, her body, she feels it. She feels it stir up.
SID: So it’s almost like you were seeing in the Spirit what was reflecting in the physical.
JONATHAN: Exactly. That’s the best way to say it. And so I said, “Well honey, let me pray for you and let’s remove these spears.” And so we began to pray through fears of forgiveness and releasing those people who had hurt her, and we prayed for about an hour and a half. By the time we were done she got up, gave me a great big hug, and she’s been confirmed now from the doctors as well being completely healed.
SID: Now why did you do this praying? Why couldn’t you just reach over and just pull each spear out?
JONATHAN: Well that’s a great question, because some people have done that, but the wound is still there. If you pull out the object but you haven’t dealt with the wound that caused then the person is just in spirit. They’re just bleeding and wounded.
SID: And you went to Brazil, and I can just picture this, and he was introduced to a worship leader, Davi Silva, and this worship leader prayed over you. What happened?
JONATHAN: Well Davi openly sees in the Spirit, and so I wanted to have information—
SID: And by the way, he had a marvelous encounter with the Lord in healing.
SID: Tell me just briefly about that.
JONATHAN: Yeah. Davi Silva was born with Downs Syndrome. At seven years old he saw Jesus walk into his bedroom, reach out and touch him, and his mind was completely healed. And so he’s now in his mid-40s. He’s one of the main worship leaders in Brazil. And he still looks like he has Downs Syndrome, but his mind is completely healed.
SID: What did the doctors say about this?
JONATHAN: Well they have a convention each year and he’s been invited several times. He’s had chances to be studied, to be examined, to share his testimony of what happened. And he’s had about 60 doctors accept that Jesus who came and touched them as their personal Lord as well.
SID: Because there’s no other explanation.
JONATHAN: A testimony like that is just incredible.
SID: Okay. So he prays for you an impartation.
SID: What happens?
JONATHAN: Well so he prays a very simple pray: “Lord, give him what I have that he would see more in the spirit.” And he goes to start worship. Well I’m standing near the front row and I see two 15-foot angels on the stage like I had never seen before. They were actually surrounded by fire that came out of them about six feet. So they’re 15 feet tall. They have six feet of fire around them. And I’m not thinking, oh this is wonderful. I’m thinking I’m scared out of my mind. I need to get away from this. But in that moment where I’m thinking to run I’d see the angel closest to me start walking towards me. He puts his hand out and touches my chest, and I hit the floor curled up in a ball. I feel this fire cover my body. I’m laying there making a pool of sweat. I have my nice clothes on. I’m in Brazil on a cement dusty floor, and I’m covered with fire in the Spirit, and I begin to see things in the audience.
SID: Like what?
JONATHAN: Well I saw smaller fire angels the size of a person with fire about a foot coming out of them. They were joining in with the worship, and the crowd looked like it was on fire. As it was coming to be on fire I saw a dark cloud roll in over the meeting, and I thought, well that must be bad. But the presence of the Lord was in the cloud, and I said I’ll have to look that up later, which I did. And throughout Exodus and Deuteronomy we find the presence of the Father, the Father God when he shows up is in a dark cloud. And so I see the Father show up in this meeting, and we had tremendous healings break out during that day.
SID: Now what is going on with you when you’re on the floor?
JONATHAN: Well I’m laying there and in my heart I hear the words, “new mantle”. And I didn’t see it, but I just heard “new mantle”. I start to feel water. It sounded so real in the natural. It felt so real. I was looking at the front row thinking, who’s flashing water on me and trying to figure this out in the natural. And so I didn’t know until later I actually caught up with Davi Silva, and I said, “Okay, I’m gonna be a little scientific here. You tell me what you saw tonight.” So Davi shared with me everything I just shared with you, but he also added that the angel when he touched me, he threw a mantle over me and it had fire coming off the top and it had water dripping off the bottom, which was the water that I felt splashing across me.
SID: You know what I think is so amazing is that everything that you were seeing in the Spirit, he saw the same thing.
SID: Now who told who first?
JONATHAN: Well I said, being scientific, I’m gonna have him share with me, because I wanted him to confirm what I had seen. So he shared first and it confirmed everything that I had seen that evening.
SID: Now this new mantle that you received, I mean, some amazing things are going on in your life. Tell me about this woman with ovarian cancer.
JONATHAN: Oh this was amazing. This last summer I was out in Washington State, and I got a call that there was a lady who was 83 who was dying of Stage IV ovarian cancer, and they asked if I would come and pray. And so I drove out to where she was. She had just started her second round of chemotherapy. She had her ovary removed and they said, they closed her back up and said, “We got 90 percent of it, but other 10 we can’t operate on. You have four months to live. Just go home. Do the chemo, but it’s not gonna help. You’re too old.” And I talked to her and said, “You know, the Lord will take you home, but He wants to take you home with dignity. He doesn’t want to take you home with cancer. That’s not how the Lord works when He takes people home.” And so we agreed together. And there were some objects in the Spirit that we prayed through, some forgiveness prayers and some prayers about fear for her grandkids. And so we prayed those through for about an hour. And we didn’t see anything tremendous happen at that moment. But I call two weeks later. She went into her doctor two weeks later. He came in with a chart and he said, “I don’t know quite how to tell you this, but you’re 100 percent cancer-free.”
SID: Well you know what? I believe that’s going to be someone’s report that’s watching us right now. The Lord does not want to take you home with cancer. Cancer is not from Him. Would you pray right now that cancer leave?
JONATHAN: Absolutely. If you have cancer, would you just place your hand wherever that is right now. And we speak to that cancer in Jesus’ name. We command you to die. We command that cancer to leave your body. I speak Heaven into your body that it would be on Earth as it is in Heaven. There is no cancer in Heaven and we command that cancer to dry up and be gone. I speak health by the power of the Holy Spirit. I speak health into your body in Jesus’ name right now.
SID: And when you do the activation exercises and read this book by JONATHAN Welton, devil watch out. You’re on notice because your discernment of spirit is going to grow. We’ll be right back after this word.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Jonathan Welton. And I am so intrigued with people that can see so clearly into an invisible world. But you know what I’m even more intrigued with? If they can help you see clearly into the invisible world. My guest, Jonathan Welton, wasn’t supposed to be here. His family was complete. But his mother, during a worship service, the Spirit of God speaks to her, and what was she told?
JONATHAN: Well my parents had had two children already, a girl and a boy, and there was about five years difference between my older sibling and myself. They had finished up having kids, and the Holy Spirit surrounded her and she heard in her heart the Lord was asking her, does she want to have another child. He has someone who wants to be born at this specific time for a specific purpose, and that she could choose either to have me or not have me, and if she chose not to He would have someone else who would have me, but that He was going to have me born at this specific time.
SID: God has a specific purpose for you. You were not accident. You’re not a coincidence. God has something so special for you. Keep listening because Jonathan Welton has got insight into a gift of the Spirit called discerning of spirits that very few people understand and everyone is supposed to understand. As a matter of fact, when you were 19, you’re minding your own business, you go to a meeting where there’s a prophet and he singles you out. What happened?
JONATHAN: Well he asked me to stand up and begins to speak a word of prophesy over me. He says, “Jonathan, the Lord is gonna give you the gift of discerning the spirits. He’s called you as a seer,” which I didn’t know what that was at the time. And He said, “You’re going to begin to discern spirits more than you ever wanted to,” which at that point I had never wanted to.
SID: Of course.
JONATHAN: So anything would have been impressive. So instantly I had this impartation where I received this prophetic word and it started to happen. I started to see things in the Spirit.
SID: What was the first thing you remember seeing?
JONATHAN: I remember seeing a bookshelf that was in my house and seeing fire on it. And as I went over to it the Lord told me there are specific books on there that I needed to read. And so I began to pull them down, and they were from different leaders that taught on the prophetic, taught on discerning spirits, and the Lord was guiding me into the books that I needed to grow and learn in this gift at that time.
SID: What is discerning the spirits?
JONATHAN: Well discerning the spirits is one of the nine gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12 and it’s actually been a gift that’s been given a bad reputation. It’s not just discerning darkness, but it’s discerning the presence of the Holy Spirit, heavenly spirits, angels, the human spirit. We all have a spirit, SID, so I can discern your spirit. I can discern people’s spirits in stores or on the street. And then there’s demonic. So there’s four types of spirits.
SID: Does every believer that’s filled with the Holy Spirit, do they have this potential to move in this direction and can it grow?
JONATHAN: Definitely. There are some who are called as seers, some who are called with the gift of discerning of spirits.
SID: What is a seer?
JONATHAN: A seer is a high level prophetic individual who operates at a high level of discerning of spirits.
SID: Okay. Let’s go to this 30 days. Tell me the types of things you saw during this 30 days.
JONATHAN: Definitely. Well after he prophesied over me there was like a window of time that opened up for 30 days where I was overwhelmed. I was seeing stuff all the time. And I walked down the street and I’d see serpents wrapped around certain buildings or demonic beings on top of certain buildings.
SID: You probably, you were seeing things and probably didn’t really understand what you were seeing.
JONATHAN: As much as I could I stayed home. I was so overwhelmed.
SID: Were you afraid?
JONATHAN: I was not enjoying this experience, definitely. Yes, it was quite overwhelming, quite scary. And if I went to a store I’d see objects stuck in people at times: swords, spears, arrows. And I didn’t understand what I was seeing. So I kept reading, asking the Lord, what is it that I’m encountering here? I’d go to services where there was worship going on and if the worship got cut off, like if the speaker comes up to share and the worship got cut off at a time when it shouldn’t have I would see angels crying.
SID: Really? You know, that happens a lot.
JONATHAN: It does.
SID: I mean, I haven’t seen angels cry, but I know when the things are, you know, it just we got too much to do.
JONATHAN: Definitely, definitely.
SID: Could you tell by just walking down the street if someone was a believer or not?
JONATHAN: Yes. That was one of the most clear things is that there would be a radiant light that shined behind a believer. It was like it shined out in all directions. You could tell who a believer was because they carried the glory of God. And you could tell who a non-believer was because there was like a veil of darkness around them. It says in Corinthians that the God of the sages veiled the eyes of the unbeliever. There is a literally a veil that surrounds a non-believer. And so when I look at an individual on the street if they’re a believer who is being oppressed by depression or sickness, sometimes I’d see a cloud of darkness around them that was oppressing the light shining out of them. And sometimes I’d see body parts hanging in the air and the Lord would say, “They need that body part put into them.”
SID: But then as quickly as the gift came it lifted. You must have really been concerned when it lifted.
JONATHAN: I thought maybe I had done something horrible.
JONATHAN: I said, “Lord, what exactly was that all about? Why 30 days and then it’s stopping now?” And the Lord showed me very clearly, He said, “In those 30 days I turned the gift on full blast so that you would experience the full potential of this gift. And now I’m gonna turn the gift off” because the Lord wanted to teach me how to stir it up, how to activate it, how to turn it on and turn it off, because we’re not suppose to have it on all the time.
JONATHAN: Well it says in Revelation 1, John was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day. That means he wasn’t in the Spirit all the time. So there are times that we should move into the Spirit and then there’s times when you and I just have lunch—
SID: So I don’t have to be afraid of you when we have lunch and say, “What is this thing coming out of him?”
JONATHAN: That’s right. And people have that perspective sometimes.
SID: Which I don’t, by the way. I’m just teasing. I want to find out about people that have these spears, and when you pull them out the healing comes. But the fact that he knows how to turn it on and turn the gift off and he can mentor you. To my knowledge there’s never been a book. And he has exercises in this book to activate and help develop the gift that’s already in you. We’ll be right back after this word.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Kevin Dedmon. And Kevin, you are so filled with the presence of God that your wife is having hives, but, you know, you hear of hives, oh so what. But it was bad.
KEVIN: It really was. She had to get up two, three times in the middle of the night, take a hot bath to get any kind of relief. And we went to every dermatologist we could go to. We had people pray for her. And one night I’m sleeping, and in my sleep, I don’t even remember doing it, but I just reached my hand over and put my hand on her stomach, and a fire just went through her whole body, and she was completely healed that night.
SID: So the secret is whether you know you’re doing it or not, just touching someone and leaking the presence of God-
KEVIN: That’s right.
SID: Is going–And that, I love that you teach you that in your book about leaking. But you can’t leak unless you’re filled and saturated.
KEVIN: Yes, that’s right.
SID: Tell me about the thumb that grew back.
KEVIN: Well I was in a meeting and a guy came up to me after the meeting and he asked if I could go after creative miracles. And I said, “Well sure I can. I’ll go after anything.” And so he holds up his left hand and he’s missing his thumb. He had cut it off with a skill saw. So I just grabbed a hold of it and it was impossible. So I just started laughing, just kind of like Abraham laughed when he heard that he was gonna be a father of a nation. And he’s in the Hall of Faith in Hebrews, Chapter 11, I believe, because he laughed. In fact, they even named their child Laughter.
SID: Yeah, that’s what “Isaac” means in Hebrew, laughter.
KEVIN: Yes, that’s right. And so I just grabbed a hold of his hand, and after about three or four minutes I didn’t feel anything except for just the joy of the Lord and His presence. And I let go of his hand, and there was a brand new thumb. He’s looking at it as though, did I give him the right thumb? He’s looking at both thumbs. And he finally just starts jumping all over the place. “I’ve got a new thumb!” And then I had a few of our team members come over and give him a new thumbnail. He didn’t have a thumbnail.
SID: What do you mean gave him a new thumbnail?
KEVIN: He just laughed over his now newly formed thumb and they laughed, and he got the white part of the thumbnail, and now it’s completely grown out.
SID: But you know what I love? I mean, he talks about things I’ve never seen before. How about singing? Tell me about someone that was healed when you sang over them.
KEVIN: Well it was crazy. I was praying over a woman who had been pretty debilitated. She couldn’t walk more than ten feet at a time, and she had been debilitated for about five years through a surgery procedure that had been botched a little bit. And so I had this song that came into my mind. It’s a secular song that you’d hear on a radio station playing secular music. And I knew I couldn’t sing this song over her, “It’s the end of your world as you know it.” So I just changed the lyrics in my mind because I really felt like the Holy Spirit gave me that song as a prophetic strategy of what God wanted to do to heal this woman. So I changed the lyrics and I sang it over her, and then I had her sing it over herself, and she was completely healed.
SID: That’s interesting. Not only did you sing it over her, but he asked her to sing it over herself. Would you sing that over the audience right now?
KEVIN: Well it’s a pretty simple song. I’m not a vocalist. So this goes to show that anything we do that’s prompted by faith, whether or not we have the talent for it or not, can be totally effective in releasing the Kingdom of God. So here we go. And I want the audience then to know that as I sing this you could take this for yourself. So here we go. [singing] It’s the end of your pain as you know it. It’s the end of your pain as you know it. It’s the end of your pain as you know it and you feel fine. [speaking] And now sing it over yourself.
SID and KEVIN: [singing] It’s the end of my pain as I know it. It’s the end of my pain as I know it. It’s the end of my pain as I know it and I feel fine.
SID: You know, it’s just like the laughter. It’s just like the singing.
SID: It releases the healing presence of God.
KEVIN: It does. As soon as this woman sang this song over herself she was immediately healed. She went home. Her family loaded up in the minivan and followed her as she ran a complete mile at 11:00 at night.
SID: And how long has she not been able to?
KEVIN: Five years, she wasn’t able to do that.
SID: Five years.
KEVIN: She wasn’t able to talk more than ten feet in five years at a time.
SID: And you’re saying to me that you are not special.
KEVIN: No, I’m not. In fact, I released this in a church that I was at, and a woman who had been to a dentist lost her nerves on her cheekbone and in her chin, and the doctor told her that she would probably never get the feeling back. This had been a week. She sang this song over herself, got the feeling back. The next week her brother was in a car accident and was in a coma in another state. She flew to the hospital. Her family was in the room. She thought, “Well I’m gonna sing this song over my brother who is in a coma.” She sings the song, “It’s the end of your pain as you know it. You feel fine.” As soon as she finished the last note he came out of the coma and he was totally healed and left the hospital. Anyone can do this.
SID: I would be remiss if you didn’t agree in faith for people to be so filled with the Spirit and the glory of God that when they sing, when they laugh, it would release that glory.
SID: Pray for them right now.
KEVIN: Well I release confidence that you already have all you need and God has given you everything in His presence to release His Kingdom on yourself and other people around you. I want to encourage you it’s not about a formula. It’s about a relationship. It’s about encountering His presence. It’s about encountering His goodness. So I release the goodness of God over you, His good mood, the laughter of Heaven. He who is enthroned in the heavens laughs. And so I release what is in Heaven into your life here on Earth.
SID: You know Kevin, more important than a thumb growing out, more important than a kidney materializing is what happened to me. I was at a point as a Jewish man that I would have either been dead, in a mental institution or committed suicide if the presence of God had not come into my room and revealed Jesus as Messiah. But not everyone has this type of an experience. It’s a decision and that’s the good news. It would be bad news if it just happened to me or to Kevin. But it’s good news because anyone that makes a decision to get rid of the junk in their life. I mean, you’ve tried the junk. Now try God. You get rid of the junk in your life. You believe that the blood of the Messiah washes away every bad thing, every rotten thing you’ve ever done. That makes you holy in God’s sight. And when you are clean and holy, you say, “Jesus, come and live inside of me. Be my Lord.” You know, it sounds so simple because it is. But it takes a step of faith. You say you don’t have faith? You have the ability to make a decision. Make a decision right now that Jesus is your Lord. Live for God. Make your life count. Have purpose and I tell you that shalom and the peace of God that is waiting for you, that it’s the most wonderful life in the world. Live it now.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Kevin Dedmon and laughing. We’re told, actually scientists have found that when people have deadly diseases like cancer, and they start laughing, they get healed. There is, well I’m reminded of the scripture that says, “A merry heart is good medicine.” My guest, Kevin, laughs over people and people get new body parts. Tell me about that person that got the new kidney.
KEVIN: Well I was in Miami, Florida doing a healing conference and the first night the ushers brought up a woman and asked, “Well can you pray for her for healing?” So I just asked her what she wanted. And she said, “Well I really want to be healed but I don’t think I can be.” I asked, “Why not?” And she said, “Well I have been suffering from kidney failure for the last two years and I’ve been bedridden for the last three months, and it’s gotten so bad that I finally succumbed and I went down to the kidney transplant center and put my name on the list for a new kidney. And now my relatives who are elders at another church, they’ve told me that I’ve lost all hope for healing now because I put my name on the list, which was a demonstration of my lack of faith.” To which I responded and said, “No way! Your faith is standing right here, right now.” And then I said, “Oh, more than that, I see God smiling over you right now.” And then I saw an added picture and I said, “I see Him dancing around you. And even more than that, He’s smiling over you and He’s dancing around you and He’s laughing over you.” And I put my hand on her head, and she was an African-American woman about five-foot-six, and she looked about 65. I found out later she was 38 years old. I put my hand on her head and I just started laughing and she started laughing. We’re laughing this gut-wrenching laughter over about three or four minutes. And finally she says, “I’m on fire! I’m on fire! Fan me off!” So her husband is behind her fanning her off. And then we go back to laughing, and then she’s yelling out, “Fan me off! I’m on fire!” And finally she says, “It’s in my feet! It’s in my feet! Fan me off!” And her husband is on the floor fanning off her feet and we’re going back and forth laughing. Now this woman couldn’t sit a chair on her own, let alone get up out of a chair on her own. She could barely walk. She had to be helped up to the front. And all of a sudden she does something like Michael Jordan meets Bruce Lee and does this flying kick at the front of the church and she lands and says, “I’m healed! I’m healed!” And she’s running around yelling, “I’m healed!” Jumps into the front row seat, jumps out. Now all of a sudden she looks like she’s 38 years old again. She goes back to the hospital to the transplant center the next Monday and they can’t figure out why she’s already received a brand new kidney. She got a kidney transplant as we just left. I never even got to pray for her. All we did was laugh.
SID: Now was this something unique, or does this happen often?
KEVIN: Oh this happens everywhere I go. I just start laughing over people. They start laughing. And in His presence is fullness is fullness of joy. And it’s His presence that heals people. So as we just enjoy His presence as the oil of gladness comes–
SID: Now do you have to be told to laugh? Do you have to feel like laughing or can you do it as an act of faith?
KEVIN: Well, you know, everything we do in the Kingdom is a matter of choice that we do by faith. Forgiveness. Who feels like forgiving when you’re offended? You know, it’s like I don’t want to forgive you. I want God’s wrath to come upon you. Well no, you need to forgive because it’s right. But I don’t feel like forgiving. Okay well I’m gonna make a choice by faith because it’s right in the Kingdom to forgive. I forgive you. Oh, the heavens just opened up again. Giving, serving, laughing, tithing. All of these things we do by faith as a result of the choices that we make. So it’s something that’s cultivated.
SID: If the thing about the kidney surprised you, what about the person with lupus?
KEVIN: Well that was something that I called out as a word of knowledge originally in a meeting that I was in, and it took five times before somebody actually responded. And it turned out that it was a woman that wasn’t even in the meeting. The head elder at this church, his wife had just been diagnosed with lupus that week. She was so depressed over it and hopeless because of the diagnosis and the prognosis that she couldn’t even come to the meetings. So we got her on the cell phone and I called her at home, and I just began to release the presence of God over the phone, and we started laughing. Both of us started laughing over the phone. I put it on speaker phone. The whole church erupted in laughter.
SID: Laughter is contagious.
KEVIN: It is. It really is. In fact, you know, we’re told sociologists tell us that if we laugh in public it will change the environment. And I think that’s how we can actually bring God’s presence into an atmosphere is through the joy of the Lord. And so we all started laughing, and she began to feel heat going through her whole body and all of the pain left until she was completely healed. Her husband, when he got home, saw such a change in his wife. They ended up laughing for two solid hours until about one in the morning. This is on a Saturday night. She comes back Sunday morning, both services, she gets up and shares the testimony how she is now completely healed. I was just back in the church just recently and she sends me little gifts all the time, her and her husband, and she was just so thankful. It’s been about two and a half years since she’s been healed now. Then I shared the testimony in the next church that I went to, and it turned out that a woman came up holding a cell phone saying, “My daughter is on the phone and she has the same name, and she has the same disease. Can you heal her? She’s in Mississippi.” So right there over the cell phone, because of the testimony, this woman gets healed over the cell phone as we laugh over her, and then three other people on cell phones that night get healed of lupus. It’s amazing.
SID: Kevin, I have to ask you, you walk in an astounding, astounding gift of miracles. But what about me? What about you? Can everyone walk in miracles in your opinion?
KEVIN: Well listen, if I can do this stuff, anyone can do this stuff. And that’s what I’ve learned. In fact, being at Bethel Church and under Bill Johnson and Kris Vallotton, we’ve learned that anyone of us can walk in the Kingdom reality.
SID: Kevin, there’s a phrase. I don’t have time to go into it. We’ll pick up this funny story about how you reached over in your sleep and touched your wife, and she gets healed.
KEVIN: Yes, that’s right.
SID: I mean, don’t go away. We’ll be right back. And also, how about the power of singing? We’re gonna reveal that to you. We’ll be right back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Kevin Dedmon, has such a gift. In fact, I was recently in Sedona, Arizona speaking, and there was a man that moves tremendous miracles, by the name of Bill Johnson. And I saw so many, I’ve never seen so many healings at one time. It was like, poof! And just miracles broke out all over the place. And when I heard what he had to say about my guest, Kevin Dedmon, he said that Kevin moves in one of the greatest miracle anointings he has ever witnessed. I had to have him as a guest. Kevin has prayed for people without a jawbone and they’ve gotten jawbones. He’s prayed for people without a thumb where it was amputated and watched the thumb grow out, including the nail. I mean, Kevin, these are outrageous miracles and the amazing thing is you were almost tricked out of this. At a young age you became a believer in the Messiah. But you immediately moved in praying for people to be healed. Why?
KEVIN: Well I started reading the Bible for the first time and I started reading about what Jesus did, and I just assumed that that what you were supposed to do as a Christian. So I used to go around hitchhiking and picking up hitchhikers. And then I would minister to them and pray for them for healing and see them healed. And I thought anybody could do that.
SID: Tell me one that comes to mind, one of the first ones.
KEVIN: Well I was witnessing at a park and I came across some young men about my same age, and I walked up to this group of guys, and one of the guys had a broken arm and he had a cast on, and it was a soft cast. And I said, “Okay, if God heals your arm you have to believe in Jesus. If He doesn’t heal your arm you can all beat me up.” [laugh]
SID: We have a word for that called “chutzpah”. That means nerve. That is chutzpah.
KEVIN: God healed his arm and about four of them gave their lives to Jesus right there on the spot. And I just thought that was normal.
SID: Okay. So he becomes normal, and all of a sudden he bumps into someone he prays for. He’s sure this person is gonna be healed because all the pastors in town are saying, “Go pray for some of our people”. Even though he’s normal, maybe they weren’t. And they keep getting healed. But this one woman he prayed for had cancer and she died. It devastated you, Kevin.
KEVIN: It really did. I thought I killed her. Yeah, I did. I thought I killed her because I didn’t have enough faith or I wasn’t gifted enough. Even though I had been healing people everywhere and the pastors in the community in which I was doing all of this, they saw something in me. And so they invited me to come to pray for this woman because I had faith and I was seeing results. And when I didn’t happen I thought I killed her.
SID: And, you know, he’s not kidding. It was so devastating to him–
SID: That for the next 20 years he said, “I guess I’m not supposed to pray for someone. Someone else is supposed to do it..”
KEVIN: That’s ight.
SID: But then you had problems with your son. He was drinking a little bit and you were at your wits end, and your wife said, “Enough is enough.” There’s a move of God’s spirit, a revival in Brownsville, in Pensacola, Florida and your son had to go there. He went there and then your wife gets a phone call from there, and you figure, oh, he’s really messed up.
KEVIN: Well the youth pastor called my wife, and my wife then called me and said, she’s crying, “Kevin! Kevin! It’s Chad.” And I’m, “Oh my goodness. What are we gonna do now?” Because we had tried everything. He was actually dealing drugs out of our house, and so we were dealing with all sorts of issues. And we had sent him to Brownsville as a last resort. And she said, “Oh Kevin, the youth pastor called and said that Chad’s been crying for 24 straight hours and then he’s been laughing for 24 straight hours, and he’s never seen anything like this before. He’s been totally transformed.” And sure enough, he came back and he was completely transformed. He was a new person.
SID: And it was such a transformation that Kevin and his wife were kind of provoked to jealousy. So they went out to Brownsville. What happened to you?
KEVIN: Well we had to go out and find out what had happened to him. And we went out there and a similar kind of thing happened to us, in that we caught a vision for what we are born for, what we are made for. We saw a revival taking place, people getting healed, getting saved, getting set free, part of a community that was just on fire for God with passion towards God.
SID: But you still feel that you can’t pray for someone.
KEVIN: Right. That’s right.
SID: So he gets home and he has someone that is a biker that he’s letting stay at his home. The guy had had surgery that didn’t work out too well and he was in terrific pain. So right after he gets home, Kevin is having a meeting, and the guy yells from the bedroom, “I’m in pain!” And he comes down and he asks for prayer. But you don’t pray for people. So what happened?
KEVIN: Well I looked around the room to see if there was anybody else who had the gift of faith and nobody else in the room had a gift as far as I knew. And he was pleading, crying, asking me to pray for him. So just out of duty I decided, okay, well I’ll pray for you. And as I did, a fire came in my hand and came on his back at the same moment. And this man who had been debilitated for six months, had surgery, the whole bit, was totally bed-ridden, got up and started jumping all around the room, yelling out, “I’m healed! I’m healed! I’m healed! I had fire go through my back.” And then several others got healed that same evening.
SID: For 20 years you said, “I don’t want to have any gift. I’m not gonna pray for people.” And all of a sudden, what’s going on inside of Kevin?
KEVIN: I’m like, oh my gosh! What is going on here? And my hand is still on fire. And so I’m putting it on other people and I’m thinking this is amazing.
SID: Well let me tell you something that’s even more amazing than that. Kevin has a passion for you to be able to do this. And he says it’s not just for special people.
KEVIN: That’s right.
SID: It’s for people who understand the special God. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.
SID: Hello, Sid Roth. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest is Rick Joyner, and he’s part of MorningStar. When I think of MorningStar, I think of a number of things, Rick. I think of prophets, people that predict the future, I think about young people, but I also think about music. Where in the world did you get what is known as the MorningStar music from? How was it birthed?
RICK: Well, I gave permission to some musicians to kind of go wild. I guess I should better say go free.
SID: Were they good musicians?
RICK: They’re some of the world’s best. But they felt like in church, they could not use their gift, they were so restrained. They had to be so held back and all. And I said “Well, if you play before the Lord, we want your best licks. We want you to play better than anything you’ve ever done in the world.” And so I kind of set them free.
SID: Why is it that we humans are so stuck in tradition?
RICK: Well, I believe a lot of what we call religion is a religious spirit that is not necessarily true worship. I think there’s nothing more exciting than God, but nothing more boring than religion. And what we’re called to is relationship, not just religious rituals. And there is a religious spirit that I don’t believe is the Holy Spirit that puts a great yoke of restraint on people.
SID: But this music is so different. It’s sort of like… It’s a culture shock for some people,
but the young people like it.
RICK: They absolutely love it, that’s why we draw so many young people.
SID: You were telling me you were on – I’m sorry – a religious television station in England, and they’ve estimated that something like 50% of the audience that listens to this music are nonbelievers in Jesus.
RICK: Well, that was what they estimated, and it’s true. When we do conferences, when they first started that channel in Europe and all, we did conferences there, we were drawing sometimes 50% unbelievers to the conferences. We would have many become believers quickly, but they were drawn because of the music I believe.
SID: Rick, you said there’s a warning on this latest CD of yours. What’s the warning?
RICK: Well, we tell people not to listen to it while they’re driving a car, because so many get speeding tickets. It’s intense. I mean this is pedal to the metal.
SID: Now you know they do have TV in cars right now, so pull over to the side of the road if that’s you. Tell me about this artist that’s featured on here, Leonard Jones.
RICK: Well Leonard Jones is really, I believe, one of the best guitarists in the world, and some of the best guitarists in the world, those who are considered that, believe Leonard is. He is truly remarkable. But he plays every instrument. He could sit first string violin in most symphonies. He’s truly, I believe, a musical genius, and he plays with some of the best. And I believe he’s writing some of the best stuff too.
SID: Ok, speaking of the best stuff, wait till you hear this. It comes from Ecclesiastes: “There is a Time.”
§ Leonard: There is a time, a time for every season of life §
§ Everything that’s under the sun §
§ A time to give away, a time to sow a seed §
§ Time to reap a harvest §
§ Time to give a praise, time to stand in awe §
§ Time to bow in worship §
§ There is a time, a time for every season of life §
§ Everything that’s under the sun §
§ Oh, there’s a time to live, there’s a time to die §
§ Time to live a resurrected life §
§ Time to live in peace, time to stand and fight §
§ Time to give a shout with all your might §
§ Time to give away, time to sow a seed §
§ Time to reap a harvest §
§ Time to give a praise, time to stand in awe §
§ Time to bow in worship §
SID: Listen, that is good! That is good! Now I’m not in that younger generation, even though in my heart I am. I’m not in that, but I like it. How about you, Rick? Do you like it, or are you just…?
RICK: Oh, I love it, I love it. It’s great.
SID: So literally, you said “No holds barred, whatever God shows you, do it.”
RICK: Yeah, do it with all your might, play your best licks, and be free. And I believe where the Spirit of the Lord is, there’s liberty. I also believe we’re serving the Creator who so creatively made every snowflake different, loves diversity, loves creativity. I believe creativity is one of the places where we can most touch the heart of God, and there’s got to be freedom for that creativity.
SID: I love it. There’s a Hebrew word, chophesh, and it’s freedom. And everything that we should do, is when people think of religion, they think of bars. Not bars where you drink, I mean bars of prison! But it shouldn’t be that. It should be… In fact, you wrote a trilogy that they’re about ready to make into a motion picture. What’s the name of that?
RICK: “The Final Quest.”
SID: How many of those sold?
RICK: I have no idea. They estimated two million or more, but it’s translated into so many languages we haven’t really kept up with it.
SID: Now you understand prophecy yourself, you’ve been caught up into the heavens, this best-selling series was literally from a visitation you had, and you understand prophecy. I want to find out what God is showing you as to where we really are in history, whether we’re really in, as the orthodox rabbis say, the footsteps of Messiah. Be right back after this word.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. I’m going to show you something in a moment that is historic. To my knowledge, there had never been so many Jewish people at one meeting in the United States of America coming to know Jesus. I’ve invited my good friend and board member, Warren Marcus, to be with me right now, because he videotaped what occurred. Warren, I’m gonna ask you what affect it had on you in a moment. But this was a life changing experience.
WARREN: It’s amazing, Sid. I mean, I had no idea when we walked in there what would happen. As a matter of fact, I was wondering if anybody would show up because we were in a totally Jewish area.
SID: We had 400 chairs set up and they had to keep pulling chairs. So we had between four and 500 people.
WARREN: And you had said, “Put more chairs out there.” And I’m thinking, Sid is going mashugana or something. There’s something–
SID: Oh by the way, Warren is also a Jewish believer in Jesus.
WARREN: And so I just said, you know, he must a word of knowledge or something, or some idea that something is gonna happen. But when I saw the people show up, that was the first miracle. There were so many Jewish people who didn’t know Yeshua who were there to hear a lecture on the supernatural. No music, no setting, no spiritual thing like that that we’d think at a kind of a setting like a church.
WARREN: It was just a lecture on the supernatural.
SID: Nothing religious. There was nothing religious in the advertising. There was nothing religious in what I said. But these Jewish people saw God. Let’s take a look at the video footage.
(video) Brighton Beach was established in 1878. Brighton Beach is situated at the world famous Coney Island in Brooklyn, New York. Brighton Beach has been dubbed “Little Odessa” because of the influx of Russian Jewish immigrants who have made Brighton Beach their home. Under the roaring sounds of the elevated trains, you can still find the Russian influence by the signs on the stores that are written in both English and Russian. The street vendors sell Russian books and relics from their former homeland. Although there are synagogues, the Russian Jewish people are independent. They are open and curious concerning the supernatural. Sid Roth and Messianic Vision had a burden to reach out to this community with the Gospel. They rented a secular theater. The posters under the marquee advertises Russian movies, comics and events. Sid Roth placed a newspaper ad in a Russian publication with an invitation to attend a lecture on the supernatural. They also ran a TV ad on a Russian cable station and on a electronic billboard advertising the event.
Man (video): [Russian]
(video) A local Messianic congregation handed out flyers outside the theater. As a result, over 400 curious Russian Jews crowded the theater. There was no worship music. Instead, a video was played showing testimonies of people who had an encounter with the supernatural from Sid Roth’s TV program, It’s Supernatural.
(video) [background crowd noise, applause]
(video) Sid Roth began sharing his background.
Sid (video): Every miracle we read about in the Bible I have seen and talked to people that have experienced them.
(video) The woman who had been confined to a wheelchair for over two years rose out of her wheelchair and began to walk.
Woman (video): [Russian]
(video) The atmosphere became charged with faith to believe God for the impossible.
Sid (video): Everyone that wants to know God for themselves.
Woman (video): [Russian]
Sid (video): Stand up right now and remain standing.
Woman (on videotape): [Russian]
Sid (video): Dear God.
Woman (video): [Russian]
Sid (video): I have made many mistakes.
Woman (video): [Russian]
Sid (video): For which I’m so sorry.
Woman (video): [Russian]
Sid (video): I believe.
Woman (video): [Russian]
Sid (video): The blood of Yeshua…
Woman (video): [Russian]
SID: (video): Washes away my bad deeds.
SID: I’ll tell you. I don’t know about you , Warren, but I get shaky when I see that. I get so excited. When that woman got out of the wheelchair and her attendant shared, “I’ve never seen her walk before,” what happened to the spiritual atmosphere in that room?
WARREN: It just cranked up. I mean, you could feel God’s spirit. And you hadn’t even revealed who the healer was yet. You were talking about your journey to find God, to find out the door to the supernatural, the true God, who He was. And I remember that people were getting healed. They didn’t know who the healer was. You said, “God is here. His river is here.” They were seeing the miracles. Miracles were happening. And then when you asked them to receive Yeshua into their lives as you had done and that he was the healer, I believe that’s what brought about that incredible altar call, in essence, people standing and saying unashamedly, Jewish people to say that they wanted their Messiah, the one who came years ago, who was rejected by our religious leaders. And here they were receiving him. And it was like the Bible coming alive, because when Yeshua walked the earth he was healing people. There was miracles happening. And it says that I believe it’s not just the Jews that need to see miracles. I believe the gentiles need to see miracles. I believe the Church needs to see miracles. Those who are living in the Church today don’t’ understand how marvelous our God is because we’ve become just like Israel was when Yeshua came and they denied the supernatural. They denied the power. It says that they had a form of God that denied the power. And when you have a form without power, it’s dead. And that’s what we’re seeing is death. And what I want to tell you is what really moved my heart is my own grandparents, they were Russian Jews. And when I walked that neighborhood and I saw all those people there, I saw my grandparents who died without knowing Yeshua. And these people were like my grandparents. And I saw the faces of these people and they were like–and I started weeping.
SID: That’s the way I feel as you’re speaking right now.
WARREN: And just tears were coming out. And I was trying to film, but the tears just kept flowing.. And even after we left, for days I was wrecked by this thing, because I said, this is what we need to do. We need to share Yeshua because the openness now–
SID: It’s new. It’s now.
WARREN: It’s now.
SID: This is a new day. Forget what’s happened in the past. God did something. I didn’t lead these people to the Lord. God did it and He’s just saying to you if you’ll just open your mouth, He will fill it, and you will be able to, you see, when you got Heaven, you only take one thing with you: souls. He who wins souls is wise. Be wise. This is God’s moment of mercy on Israel. The reason that you are watching is the next Jewish person that crosses your path get ready to open your mouth and pray for a miracle.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. In 1996, God instructed me through a dream to write a book. He said more Jewish people would come to know Him through that book than anything that I had ever done before. And history proves that this was a dream from God. Over 850,000 of these books have been distributed in multiple languages. It’s ten Jewish people from ten different walks of life: a Jewish Ph.D., Mike Brown, who you just saw, a Jewish mega-millionaire, a Jewish concert pianist. Jewish people from every walk of life from Orthodox Jewish to Reform Jewish, to atheist Jewish. Talking about Orthodox Jewish, I want you to learn Sharon Allen. Sharon Allen was an Orthodox Jew. She moved to Southern California, married a gentile. They personally helped build the synagogue in Southern California, and it was a ready for her husband to convert to Orthodox Judaism. And he found out he had to deny Jesus. He had never brought the subject of Jesus up to his wife. He was so Jewish in everything about him. But he could not deny Jesus. And so his wife said, “Not to worry. I’ll just study the scriptures and absolutely prove to you that Jesus is not the Messiah.” But let’s find out what she found out.
SHARON: I said to Ron, “You know, you’re such a successful businessman. How can you believe in something so pagan and so mythological.” And at this point, I guess business was my husband’s religion actually. But he just said, “Well, I don’t know.” It was just something that was natural to him and he just couldn’t do this. It was a horror for me that morning. But then in a moment I had a calming thought. I’ll just read my Jewish Bible. And I figured it wouldn’t take me long. I’d start at the beginning and I’d start to read, and pretty soon I’d find a scripture that would prove to my husband that that man could never have been the fulfillment of the Jewish Bible. And I began to read. And my husband went off to work and my daughter went off to school, and I sat there reading page after page. And hours later my daughter came home from school and my husband came home from work, and there I was still sitting page after page reading. And then the next morning my husband went off to work, my daughter went off to school. And this went on for days, went on for weeks, went on for months. I couldn’t believe what I was reading in my own Jewish Scriptures. The rabbis say that you cannot read the Hebrew Scriptures without the commentaries. So I bought the Soncino commentaries. I bought the Tanakh Series by Masora Publications. I bought the Rashi commentaries, and I kept reading. And I kept researching and researching. I bought the Takamin. And I kept researching and researching. I bought the Talmud and I kept reading and reading, and reading. And it seemed that the early rabbis, the ancient rabbis, they recognized that there were two pictures of the Messiah in the Hebrew Scriptures. They even had names for them: Mashiach ben Josef, Messiah, Son of Joseph, who would come as the suffering servant, and Mashiach ben David, Messiah, Son of David, who would come as the conquering hero king.
SID: And then, I mean, the most amazing thing. Remember now, no one is helping her. She’s doing this search all on her own. And she found a secret code in the Jewish Scriptures. You see, every Hebrew name has an English meaning. So she took the first ten names in the genealogy of the Bible, and guess what she found? Take a look.
SHARON: What the message says, “Mankind turns their faces towards and are appointed mortal, grievance sorrow to lament and to mourn.” Then with the next set of names, it says, “God who is praised comes down to instruct and to consecrate. He is sent forth as a prophet priest to be smitten and scourged, to die, to give rest and security, a quiet attitude of peace.”
SID: Imagine every name in the Bible has a message. And when she strung it together she got the perfect presentation of the Gospel. Now a Jewish atheist in Israel, one of my favorite stories in the book, David, Yaniv, he slipped, had an accident, hurt his back, had surgery on his back, and he was paralyzed from the waist down. The doctors said no hope. You just have to learn to live with it. And he starts watching, of all things in Israel, “The 700 Club”. And there is a word of knowledge that comes forth. Someone is healed from the waist down. Let’s take a look at this healing right now.
DAVID: That same evening around about 10 o’clock, as I was lying in bed, and the only way I can describe it is like an electric shock that ran down from my spine to both my legs.
SID: Were you praying for this to happen that night?
DAVID: Not that night, no?
SID: Were you doing anything spiritual?
DAVID: I was reading a book.
DAVID: Reading a book.
SID: And all of a sudden this like electric charge shoots through–
DAVID: And all of a sudden there was this electric shock from my spine to both my legs. My legs started shuddering in a way that I had no control of them. And I didn’t pay attention because a paralyzed person gets these unwanted movements every now and then. So I thought this was one of those and I went to sleep. Yes, it’s a reflex. I went to sleep. The next morning, however, in order to get out of my bed and strap myself into the shoes with the iron calipers and the corset, and, you know, the whole paraphernalia, I had to assist my legs to get out of bed. And as I touched my foot there was feeling. I touched myself everywhere else and there was feeling. And with the catheter, all of a sudden I felt my bladder wants to work. Something which I never felt for seven and a half years.
SID: Who did you tell?
DAVID: So here is my wife next to me in bed. I said, “Sheila, come quickly and see what happened.” And my wife, bless her heart, she’s South African, and this is how she did it. She said, “Rubbish! Close your eyes.” And she took a needle and she says, “Where am I pricking you?” And let me tell you something. I struck her right away before she was going to make a sinner out of me.
SID: You could feel everything?
DAVID: Every prick.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I believe the greatest sign of the soon return of Jesus, besides Jerusalem in Jewish possession, we have evidence of on this show. I believe that when you see large numbers of Jewish people turning to Jesus, well Jesus himself said, “I will not return until the Jewish people say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord,’” you are going to see evidence that this is happening the United States of America. My guest, Dr. Michael Brown, is one of the men in a book that God directed me to write. He said more Jewish people would come to know him through this book than anything I had ever done. And over 850,000 of these books are in print today. It’s called “They Thought For Themselves”. It’s a simple book, ten testimonies of Jewish people that have come to know Jesus. One of those testimonies is my friend, Dr. Michael Brown. It’s hard to believe looking at you, Mike, that your nickname used to be “Drug Bear”. What was your life like?
MICHAEL: Well I grew up in a conservative Jewish home, born in New York City, raised in Long Island. My dad was a senior lawyer in the New York Supreme Court. Everything defined my upbringing. I was playing drums and I got caught up in the whole rock music counter culture scene. So by the late 60’s, drugs was interesting to me. I started getting high at the age of 14 and I got into it. I kind of took the plunge. I was shooting heroin at the age of 15. I actually stole from my father. I broke into houses, broke into doctors’ office just for fun to steal drugs. They use to call me Drug Bear and Iron Man, probably the most abusive drug user in my high school. And at the of 16 and a half, two of my best friends had come to faith, gentile friends. They believed Jesus was the Savior. I went to a church to pull them out and got confronted with God’s love and goodness., and the reality that Jesus was our Messiah. And I got radically turned around. At 16 and a half, December 17th of ’71, I said, “God I will never put a needle in my arm again.” And that was it. I was transformed.
SID: Okay. What happens after you’re on fire for God and you come home, and you say, “Mom, Dad, I’m off of drugs! I believe in Jesus!” Well first my dad said, “Halleluiah!” He was making fun of me. “Oh yeah, great, really.” But they were so concerned about my drug use. I mean, I lied to them. I told them it wasn’t quite that bad. But they found out I was shooting drugs and things. So they were, “Wow! What happened? Are you serious? You’re not doing drugs. You’re not high. You’re talking normally. You’re looking normal. You’re not hanging out with certain people. You’re looking differently.” So they were thrilled, but there’s a problem. You’re a Jew, not a Christian.
SID: Okay so the trot you out to the rabbi. What does the rabbi say to you?
MICHAEL: “You know, you’re a nice man, you’re sincere but you’re misled.” He said, “Look you’re a very spiritual person, but you are wrong.” He sat me down to talk and he challenged me. He said, “You don’t even know Hebrew.” And I said, “Yeah, but I’ve met Jesus. My life has changed.” And I was reading the King James in English and I’m memorizing these verses, and I can look up things that are in concordance and find out what the Hebrew says. And the guy said to me, “It’s meaningless. If you don’t know the Hebrew it’s meaningless.” So he brings me to other rabbis in Brooklyn, and these guys, long beards, black coats, ultra Orthodox Jews. Very nice. And they take out their Hebrew Bibles and they’re pointing at it. I don’t remember how to read the words. I mean, I learned a little Hebrew to get Bar Mitzvahed.
SID: I understand. I was where you are.
MICHAEL: It’s intimidating. They’re nice guys. They’re very devoted. They pray. They seem to be very moral characters and caring. And they’re telling me, “Look, look, that’s not what the Hebrew says. These English translations are terrible.” And I thought, I got to find out. I know that God changed my life. I know Jesus is real. I mean, as surely as I know that I’m alive. But they’ve got serious questions. If what I’m following is true it can withstand the test. If what I’m following is true then the most rigorous answers from those educated rabbis will have answers. Otherwise, I got to question this whole thing. So I started college. I started learning Hebrew there.
SID: But bottom line, how many languages and dialects have you studied?
SID: And you have your Ph.D. from New York University.
MICHAEL: In Near Eastern languages and literature.
SID: Okay. So no one can say you don’t Hebrew.
SID: As a matter of fact, you have memorized a great deal of the Jewish Scriptures in Hebrew.
MICHAEL: Yes, it’s wonderful. It’s beautiful. Sometimes I wake up in the morning and I just say, [Hebrew]. “To do your will, O God, I delight,” quoted from the Psalms. And here’s what’s amazing, Sid. Okay, I want to learn Hebrew. I need to learn some of the related languages so I can get the culture and the context. You know, I want to even rely on what commentary said. I’ve been able to write commentaries myself now. I want to be able to dig and study myself. I don’t want to have to listen what the rabbis say, the Christian scholars. I want to dig for myself. And what’s fascinating is the more I dug, the more excited I became.
SID: How many years has this been?
MICHAEL: Well it’s 37-plus years.
SID: With your mind and the way you, between you and me, have you found anything that would cause you to believe Jesus is not the Messiah after all of the years, all of this study? I mean, you’ve worked on commentaries. You’ve memorized so much of the Jewish Scriptures. Is there anything that causes you to doubt Jesus is the Messiah?
MICHAEL: Oh no, to the contrary. Seriously, with no hype here, Sid, the more I studied, the more solid I realized our foundations were. I mean, the discoveries when you see the New Testament authors quoting from the Hebrew Scriptures and the insights they had, when you dig deeper and discover things you didn’t see before. And I went in saying, I got on my face, I prayed as a young man, and I said, “God, if Jesus is not the Messiah then I will not follow him. I don’t care what I lose, I’m gonna honor you. But if he is the Messiah, I don’t care what my Jewish people think about me. I’m gonna follow him and I’m gonna honor You.” And Sid, honestly, I read 1500 pages of books on answering Jewish objections to Jesus, air tight, definite, clear. He is the Messiah, no doubt, no question. And if people really see God they’ll find out for themselves.
SID: Look in the camera and give me one scripture in Hebrew and English why Jesus is the Messiah.
MICHAEL: Surely. At the end of Isaiah 52: [Hebrew]. What does it say? “Behold my servant will act wisely. He’ll be absolved and lifted up and very high.” And then it says, “Just as many were appalled…” and it begins to speak of his suffering. Sid, it paints the picture of one who would be high exalted so kings will shut their mouths because of him. But first, he’ll suffer terrible disfigurement. As the chapter goes on in 53 it says, “His own people in Israel will reject him and misunderstand him, think that he was dying for his own sins only to realize,” [Hebrew], “at the cost of his wounds there’s healing for us.” It’s an amazing picture.
SID: It’s an amazing time we’re living in. Be right back after this word.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Alyosha and Jody Ryabinov. And Alyosha, the Messiah says constantly, “Speak out loud.” And there’s something so powerful about the spoken Word of God. Why is sound so important to God?
ALYOSHA: First of all, God created the whole world with the sound of His voice. But also on the physical realm, the light and music, light and sound is the same physical reality. It just operates on different frequencies. So the scripture says in 1 John, “God is Light.” That means that God is music. God is sound and He penetrates everything that’s in this universe. There’s no place where He is not. So I believe everything is made out of sound, everything.
SID: What about the frequencies and the vibrations. Explain that.
ALYOSHA: Well frequencies began in the second verse of first chapter of Genesis, where it said, “The Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” When you take that word, [Hebrew] and bring it to the root, [Hebrew] at the root level, the meaning of the word is “to shake and vibrate.” So as there was darkness, everything was without form, and the first application to the problem with the work of the spirit, when God set up his frequencies and then God began to speak and He said, “Let there be light.”
SID: What is the highest frequency?
ALYOSHA: I believe the highest frequency is God himself. And God is love, so love is the highest frequency.
SID: And that’s why the Messiah talks so much when miracles happen you read about the compassion of the Messiah, the love being poured out into an individual. Jody, you’ve done research on the Hebrew language, and get this, when you get the Word of God, when you get the Hebrew language together and when you get love together, you’re moving in the highest anointing of Heaven and Earth, and under the earth. It will literally change the molecules. It will literally cause a mountain to move. What have you found out about the Hebrew language? It really is a supernatural language.
JODY: It is totally supernatural, Sid. We discovered a man by the name of Hans Jenny who was a Swiss scientist, and he was doing research back, oh maybe 20, 30 years ago. And he took different languages and he actually developed a machine called the tonoscope. And through this machine he would put different languages and to see how the sound would affect matter from different languages. There were only two languages at that time that he discovered that had an impact on matter, on molecules. He took sand, water, different mediums, and he found that one language that is still in existence today, which is Hebrew, had an impact on that matter. Actually, when the words would be spoken, according to his writings and his research, that actually the [Hebrew] or the valve points would actually be imprinted right into the sand.
SID: That is really supernatural.
JODY: That is supernatural. So we found that, you know, out of all the languages, we really want to use Hebrew more. We want to understand Hebrew. I believe that God spoke the world into existence and He must understand Hebrew. It’s the whole first part of our scriptures are in Hebrew.
SID: Well, you know, many people speculate since Hebrew is one of the purest languages that was ever written, that in Heaven the language that we’ll be speaking will be Hebrew. What do you think about that?
JODY: I think that’s right. We’re gonna start studying now. How’s that?
ALYOSHA: Can I say something? See the very first word that God spoke in Hebrew, which translated, “Let there be light,” in Hebrew he said, [Hebrew] and He would listen to this the sound of breath [Hebrew]. I think he spoke universal existence in Hebrew with Hebrew sounds. That’s my opinion.
SID: Well you’re entitled to your opinion, but it sure makes a lot of sense to me. I want you to hear right now Alyosha. Now he is a master concert pianist. I mean, he studied. He’s paid the price. But he had an experience that we’ll be talking about in the next segment that totally revolutionized his life. He moves in synch in supernatural love as he plays the piano. And when you hear the Word of God and when you hear it in Hebrew, and when you hear that highest frequency of love coming through the piano, get ready to have every molecule in your body change. Alyosha from his CD, “The Lord is My Healer.”