Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah. He has a gift from God to help empower you to release the gifts that God has already put within you. And he’s got a tremendous background because he attended Rhema Bible College. He was one of their singers for seven years. But then he spent many years as a Coordinator of Prayer and Healing School. And I imagine Jim Hockaday, you have probably seen more miracles from that position you had out at Rhema as the Coordinator of the Prayer and Healing School then many people on the face of this earth.
Jim: Sid it was a real pleasure to have had those ten years there at the Kenneth Hagen Ministries. And you’re exactly right, we saw all kinds of miracles take place and throughout the ten years it was a constant flow of the supernatural.
Sid: We were talking about this subject before we went on the air and why is it that there was this flow, but there seems to be today, it’s just like we’re not seeing the miracles that the Bible says were suppose to see and could we need a course correction so to speak?
Jim: Well, I think the modern church that you might call Pentecostal, Charismatic, Word of Faith, anybody that’s just seeking to walk in the supernatural; I think that there’s a definite dividing line that we need to step beyond where we’ve been and begin to pursue the empowerment of the believer. In other words, I’ll just put it to you in a more simple fashion each believer is filled with the Holy Spirit and that alone should produce the miraculous. But when we’re trying with formulas to get God to do something were working so hard to kind of put ourselves in an approval place. And were not sure if we have faith or we don’t have faith or whether we got enough of the Holy Ghost or not, we’re not going to bold and assertive to stretch our hands out to see the miraculous. And when a man understands His position in Christ, that’s the beginning of the supernatural and I really believe that in this last day, were going to walk into and we are starting to see it now, a Jesus gospel where Jesus comes to the forefront and the relationship with the Lord Jesus is reestablished in the heart of every man that would seek the supernatural.
Sid: Has God given you insight beyond a hope as to what is going to be happening in the Body of Believer’s as far as the supernatural?
Jim: Well, just as the relationship that we’re speaking about here today that’s so much a part of your heart and mine; you know Daniel made a reference in Daniel 11:32 “That They Who Know their God will be strong and do exploits.” And we never should have varied from that. Every teaching should bring out more of a relationship with Jesus Christ, where you know Him and you’re willing to step beyond yourself. And I believe in these last days, what we’ll see so tremendously beginning to rise and it’s happening now; is every believer becoming a vessel through which God’s power flows. No longer will it just be just come and see the big show at the church because a particular minister has such grand miracles and yet that’s still a part of our teaching learning. But, I believe we’re seeing right now is a shift of where the believer is being empowered and the believer is beginning to see in the open market where his every day to day function is, the supernatural.
Sid: Basically what you’re saying is it’s time for believers to become normal as defined by the Bible.
Jim: That’s exactly right. I mean the word supernatural, it’s not supposed to be some mystical thing and yet there is some element of mystery to the supernatural. Its suppose to be a daily lifestyle of knowing God and moving in His power and His glory for the benefit of every person around us.
Sid: We have a six CD Seminar that you taught at Rhema. The title is “How to Develop Intimacy with the Holy Spirit.” When someone understands the Word and has truly developed intimacy with the Holy Spirit, when you teach this what types of reports are you getting from those that go out into the marketplace after having had this teaching?
Jim: Well, it’s very exciting to bring people to an awareness of the Holy Spirit’s indwelling presence. Because when we receive Jesus as our Lord and Savior at that moment, God’s presence comes to live in our hearts through the Holy Spirit and the wonderful experience that we have where the Spirit of God fills us with His power and there are many wonderful things that take place at that moment especially the gift of speaking in other tongues. These experiences and bringing people to an awareness of it it immediately changes their life. They begin to hear the Holy Ghost voice. They begin to move with the promptings of the Spirit of God and it’s kind of like, I’d say it like this Sid; If you like a roller coaster and you enjoy the thrill of the up and down and the twist and the sideways, then the more you know the Holy Spirit your life will begin to experience a real joy and excitement beyond your everyday routine.
Sid: Pull someone out from the thousands that you have trained that this had an impact on their life and what they’re doing today.
Jim: One individual, his name is Tyler, he’s a great guy; man I really love this guy and I’ll say it like this, he graduated from ORU and he’s the type individual that normally would be totally okay, and still is, just being in the background. Loves to play the guitar and sing and to be honest, I don’t know that there’s a real call of God on His life to stand in the pulpit. And when he came to us and we began to teach some of these things. You could just see the lights going on about how much God loves him and becoming beware of the Holy Spirit. Knowing how empowered he was by God. And I’ll tell you this one story that’s great. He has become so excited about the Lord Jesus and so bold in his faith. He was driving with his boss to Oklahoma City and on the way the boss began to relate to him how his wife has struggled and struggled and struggled with such pain and the doctors have done everything they could to find out the reason why the pain is there and they can’t find the reason. And this is so uncustomary of Tyler, but he pulled out a twenty dollar bill, put it on the dash board; looked at his boss and said. Call your wife and tell her that I said before morning comes, she’ll be completely free of pain. And if it’s not so, then you can take that twenty dollars and put it in your pocket. And before morning that woman was set free and today is still set free.
Sid: That’s someone who really hears from God.
Jim: That’s awesome, I love it.
Sid: But that’s supposed to be normal. You know I came to know a little bit, Katherine Kuhlman. The thing that impressed me was her relationship with the Holy Spirit. That’s what made her special. She had that and I’m beginning to believe that everyone can have that kind of relationship with the Holy Spirit.
Jim: I believe so too and the people that I’ve been around just like you and you saw that in her, that have that type of relationship, it is so infectious it will make you want you to know God that way. And I would say that by being associated with the late Kenneth Hagen, what a wonderful man of God he is and he was and the thing that empresses me and people will say, it’s his love walk, it was his faith walk, but the number one thing that impressed me was he knew God. He had a relationship with the Holy Ghost. And I remember him saying one day, I’ll never forget this, he said I’ve come to know the Holy Spirit as well and even better that my wife who sleeps the bed next to me.
Sid: Humph. And you’re finding when people take your seminar or hear you’re teaching that they can come to know the Holy Spirit the way any man or women in the Bible has?
Jim: The limits completely come off and it becomes how much fun you want to have spending time with God, hearing His voice, recognizing His presence. And I’ll say it to you like this as far as the great benefit that we see, if you didn’t know you had the ten dollars tucked away in that little special place then you couldn’t use it to purchase what you need and you’d go without; and we as believers we walk about in our daily life not using at very much of a percentage at all of the Spirit’s indwelling presence and His help. But when you begin to recognize it and you begin to acknowledge how awesome He is, at that moment life really just begins.
Sid: Well, the thing that impresses me is, I’ve gotten to know about you from our investigation, hearing from God is how you operate. You hear from God about your family, you hear from God about people that need to be physically healed, you have the relationship with the Holy Spirit that everyone should have. And the thing that I love about making tools like this available is that there’s an impartation, because he can’t impart to you what he doesn’t have.
Sid: But his gift is to impart to you the ability for you to develop intimacy with the Holy Spirit. And when you listen to these tapes, literally you’re going to have a jump start in your spirit. You’re going to activate your five spiritual senses and miracles start happening to those that sit under his teaching. He’s going to teach you insight on how to pray in the Holy Spirit far more effectively. I mean there was one thing that he said that’s really transforming my prayer life.
Sid: My guest is, that’s an understatement when I say red hot for the Messiah. His name is Rick Joyner and he just had a dream and he calls this the most vivid, the most serious, the most alarming dream he has ever had. The most specific and the most graphic and the most real and if you know much about his background, he’s had many dreams that have come to pass. And he’s a recognized voice, prophetic voice in the world. And Rick, but in addition to the prophetic side you started an organization of which I was at the initial formation of called the Oak Initiative. And at that meeting there were about 300 leaders, now you’re in fifty states and 78 nations. And as important as the Oak Initiative is in this dream that saw the only thing that will help will not be politics. The only thing that will help the survival of America will be the church. And you had a very graphic dream of what’s shortly going to happen to America. But because of your work through organizations like the Oak initiative you’re privy to information as to what really is going on in America. Would you tell us some of this?
Rick: Well, you know I do talk with people that are in pretty high places and communicate regularly of places of positions in the government and influence and also study you know. I do a lot of research…
Sid: I’m very impressed that you do study history. Your really, your passion is a historian and it’s amazing how many times history repeats itself.
Rick: Yeah, it is. I don’t think you can really understand prophecy without understanding history to some degree but that’s a whole another lesson. But I do I have a passion for History and it’s His story you know and it is his story of God’s dealing with men. So, but the future is one of the things that he’s put on my heart since this dream because I don’t believe He would have shown me such a dream in which our country was in such imminent jeopardy if we couldn’t do something about it. And he showed me what to do about it. And it was to get the church to wake up the church. To get the church and to pour the truth on to this fire that is consuming our nation or about to consume it. It is consuming the foundations right now. That’s what I saw in this dream and the church alone can deal with this. So, you know we’re fighting against enemies that cannot be defeated through elections. And I appreciate getting righteous people in the right places and being engaged that way, but this is way bigger than what can be defeated in Washington. Only the church can do it and the good news is though, we can do it. You know these are divinely powerful weapons for the destruction of strong holds and you know this doesn’t have to happen. We don’t have to lose our country. We can have our best years ahead of us but we’ve got to rise up and we got to rise up this year. Really, 2,011…
Sid: When you mean pouring truth, you mean being a spokesman for God based on the truth of the Bible.
Rick: Yeah and preaching it with boldness and with courage. Forget your IRS 501c3 status, forget all that. I mean the whole house is about to burn.
Sid: Tell us some things that you know in the natural.
Rick: Well, you know, we really are lingering right now on the potential collapse of the dollar and that would be so unbelievably devastating you know, you can’t imagine. But what the devil is trying to do is set up again right here in America what he did through the Weimar Republic in German in the 30’s. Crash our currency, crash …
Sid: Well, that would sure level the playing field and share the wealth as President Obama wanted to do.
Rick: Well, what it would do, it wouldn’t share the wealth it would make everybody poor. It would make everybody, it would impoverish everyone.
Sid: Well, he didn’t tell that to Joe the plumber but go ahead.
Rick: Yeah, yeah but that is there basic philosophy in what they teach but it doesn’t have that result and it never has anywhere in the world. But we are in absolute serious jeopardy. I mean our Constitution is being eroded; the authority of the constitution but there’s an economic crisis. This is going to be done to us; the attempted is through an economic crisis of unbelievable proportions.
Sid: Do you have any, are you privy to any information as to, obviously it’s being orchestrated by the invisible world but who’s orchestrating in the natural world?
Rick: You know, I don’t that. You know, I really don’t have that information. I’ve heard all kinds of people who are you know claiming certain people are behind it and they may be right. I just don’t know. And…
Sid: I believe it’s going to come out shortly and I believe that people are going to be shocked when they find out who’s really pulling the strings in the administration and it’s not the people we see with our eyes but go ahead.
Rick: Well, something really serious is upon us. I’m sure of that and in the natural it looks impossible. But nothing is impossible with God and we have to keep that in mind and we also have to keep in mind; America is not the New Jerusalem. You know even if America was lost the Kingdom is still coming and the Lord’s will is going to done but it doesn’t have…
Sid: Speaking about America not being the New Jerusalem, I feel very safe even though the world is coming against Israel and the bombs that are about ready to be released. I feel Israel will survive because the Bible says it. But I’m not so sure there’s a guarantee in the Bible for America’s surviving.
Rick: Well, that’s true, and I think it depends on our obedience and aligning ourselves with God and with His purposes.
Sid: What’s going on with Islam in America?
Rick: Well, that’s one of the things, there’s an infiltration of radical G Hodist in America, even into the top levels of our government and this was proven in US federal court and the Holy land foundation trial in Texas. And without dispute and people from an organization called the Moslem Brotherhood, who have a sworn, I mean it was on their web site, the face of their website their mission statement was the destruction of America and western civilization. And we have taken members of that organization and elevated them into top levels in our defense department and our homeland security. This is the craziest thing that I have ever heard. And whether…
Sid: We use them as translators in our army.
Rick: It’s even more bazaar than that, its way more bazaar than that. And it’s got a lot of people thinking yea, this is treason, this is intentional people are seeking to unravel and destroy America and let those into like a Trojan horse right into our most sensitive places. And there is an outcry; an increasing outcry. The tip of the iceberg which was over the Cordova Masque in Manhattan that was an amazing outcry from America, because Americans are starting to get it. They’re starting to really understand what Islam is really about. They’re studying it, the books on Islam are becoming best sellers.
Sid: Listen, I don’t know if this is true or not but there is an organization called the Council on American Islamic Relations. They estimate in the US there’s 7 million Muslims. Statistics show at least 10% are radical. And if 10% are radical, that’s 700,000 terrorist in America.
Rick: Well, the statistics I saw were much different than that and way more than that.
Sid: Well, with our border is poorest, we’re looking at the Hispanics and we’re forgetting the Moslems. They’re slipping through the radicals.
Rick: They are and you know, Alkita and you Hamas had bases all over South and Central America. And I mean there’s so much stuff going on but it is truly remarkable but you know what; I’ve seen the Lord through a single word unravel and a thousand years of the devil’s strategy in something. And the Lord can easily foil all the plots of the devil and everything but we have some serious ones going on.
Sid: Tell me about the censorship that is going on and the hate crime legislation.
Rick: Well, that’s true, there trying to shut up pastors and mostly Christians and you know it’s interesting the Moslem Brotherhood in their strategy for destroying America was to use political correctness and our own Constitution and Bill of Rights against us. And they have been their major weapons to attack us and you know you can say anything about Christians. But think about that memo that came down from Homeland Security saying that everyone that believed in the end time prophecies of the Bible and Veterans and these Right Wing Groups were the major terrorist threats of America. And did not even mention in that memo Islamic G Hadist, which have been the source of ninety nine percent of terrorist attacks in the world for the last half century. How blind could you get?
Sid: And then, but there’s a form a censorship in the media. I mean it just seems outside of one network and I’ve been watching some of these people and it’s not just a political disagreement. It is literally venom coming out of them about Biblical positions.
Rick: Well, you know the old statement, “Follow the money, check who their biggest stock holders are, Saudi Arabia and Prince. And who has been boasting about controlling our media; boasting about it. In fact the whole Moslem Brotherhood is boasting about how what an easy prey America is.
Sid: Unfortunately, our time has slipped away, but I know that you will want his DVD of this most recent revelation from God “Will America Survive 2011?” And then the answer, he has a CD titled “Preparation for Transfiguration that will help you and help America prevail in the times were entering to right now. And “How to enter into His Glory” we’re making this CD and the DVD and that also includes a talk by Retired Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin, who is the number one expert in Socialism and Marxism and how America it’s happening right now.
Sid: On yesterday’s broadcast I was talking to Peter Horrobin and we were talking about four dimensions of forgiveness. We were talking about the last dimension, forgiving God. And many people are angry with God Peter, because they literally have a false image of God. Explain that.
Peter: If your view of God is not of the true God then it is not surprising that sometimes people get angry with the image that they have of Him. I started to learn this lesson when praying with a lady who, she obviously was in such need of the Father’s love and I spoke to her and I said I would really like to pray for you that you’ll be able to receive the Father’s love. And I got the shock of my life she just turned to me and she spat in my face. I never had an experience of a woman spitting in my face before; this was the first time this had ever happened. And then she said to me, don’t talk to me about fathers, if God is like my father I do not want to know him and as she spat these words out I suddenly realized that her image of God was simply and extension of a human father. Now, in reality this is exactly what God planed for creation, He planned that we would learn about Him from good fathering. That a father would give his love and provide support and encouragement and this is what fathers are meant to do. And we would actually learn about the nature of God. But because of the fall and man gave authority to satan, satan has used that principle to so distort so many people’s lives because deep in the spirit of a child they look to their father to actually discover something of what God is like. And if your human father had been abusive, had been violent, what is your image of God going to be like? It is not going to be good and so there nature of our human fathering can sometimes be a key issue when we are actually ministering healing to people. And we have to help people to see that when Jesus came, and one of the things He said so profoundly, I’ve come to tell you what the Father is really like. And when you look at Jesus, then we see what the Father is really like. And we can take our eyes off the false image of a father, and Jesus told us a story of the prodigal son for the same sort of reason; that the real father was running to see the one that who was coming back to him. And when we get a right understanding of the nature of the Father’s love, people are going to run to Him and be blessed.
Sid: I have to ask you this question, you have so many wonderful stories, once people understand the most powerful prayer on earth and start praying that and understand the debts of forgiveness. I mean, I’m kind of overwhelmed over the special anointing, and that’s the best way I can describe it Peter; the special anointing on your teaching it really, I mean every time you open your mouth, I feel the healing presence of God just radiating out. Tell me, about this snow mobile accident.
Peter: Yes, this is a lady who many, many years previously had been on the back of a snow mobile in Canada and the snow mobile was like a ice motor bike who drive across a frozen lake and they were traveling about 70 miles an hour and she was a passenger on the back of this bike, when it went out of control when she was thrown over the head of the driver of the bike and she landed with her head on the ice and she skated about four hundred yards and came to rest very injured. Now, I think it was about twenty-eight years something like that or it was many later which I was praying for her. It was many years later anyway and as I began to pray for her; she had had a lifelong spinal problem with pain and wasn’t able to lift things. She could never ride a bike cycle, she wasn’t even able to be able to life her children up and to sit them on her lap when they were young because of the spinal problem that she had. And I took her through the whole issue of trauma cause and accident is a key issue that we have to look at to be able to see if there is any trauma there, which has not been resolved. But before you can even look at the trauma you got to say, is there any forgiveness issue here? And I said to her, have you forgiven the man who was driving the motor bike? And immediately said, forgive him? He’s ruined my life! And you could tell there was no forgiveness there. I said, look I can’t pray for you until you’ve worked through this. She went off with one of our team for a half hour or so, worked though the scriptures, came to a point of willing to forgive and she came back and was able to forgive really from her heart the man who had done it. And then the Spirit of God came upon her. She could no longer stand up, she fell down on the ground and the anointing of the Spirit and God healed her spine, healed her neck. The following morning, six am in the morning, she was up and she went running around the estate where we were ministering. She couldn’t jog, she couldn’t run before. But now she is running and she went home and she was able to do all of things that she wasn’t able to do before. And her daughter who her saw what her mother was like said, “Now I believe,” and that daughter said, “I now want to go to Bible College and train and learn how to help other people like my Momma’s been helped.”
Sid: You know there could be some people listening to us right now, Peter that are saying,”Well that’s bad, but if you knew what this person did to me, you can never forgive him.” Tell me about the woman that was buried alive from Rwanda, if she could forgive, anyone could forgive.
Peter: Freda was an amazing lady; she was buried alive with fifteen other dead members of her family in Rwanda in the terrible Genocide in 1994. They massacred the back of her head, threw her into a shallow grave, but she wasn’t actually dead. And fourteen hours later somebody sat on this mound of earth and heard a noise from underneath and began to dig it up and pulled Freda out and she was still alive and she was on the run for a long time.
Sid: Well, as I understand it, it was even more atrocious than that fifteen of her close relatives were murdered at the same time.
Peter: Yeah, they were dead in the grave with her.
Sid: That’s just hard to comprehend. Okay, she goes through that, she gets out what does she do next?
Peter: Well, two years later she eventually introduced to Jesus by another girl of the school that she goes to in Gabon she fled Rwanda for awhile and she got to know Jesus. And when she got to know Jesus she said, I must read His book. And when she read through the book, she heard Jesus saying to her about forgiveness. And she knew that if she was going to be an obedient follower of Jesus she had to do what He asked her to do. And she went to the jail in Kigali, the capitol of Rwanda and found the man who had murdered her mother in front of her and she spoke forgiveness to him. And that was the beginning of a journey. Now several years later she was still suffering enormously from pain in the head where she had been hit. She had constant nightmares at night and constant pain and she came to our center in the United Kingdom for training and we prayed through the trauma of what happened when she went into the grave and she repeated the prayers of forgiveness when we dealt with the trauma and that night she slept through the night for the first time without any nightmares. She woke up the following morning, she had no headaches. And now two or three years have passed and met Freda recently. She has had no occurrence of the nightmares, no occurrence of the headaches, but for her the key, the absolute key was the forgiveness of those that had done such terrible things. She’d saw her sisters and her brothers murdered in front of her and she forgave. And God has healed her and today, she and her husband are pastors in Kigali, they have a church or nearly 3,000 people and they are ministering healing right across the nation to all the tribes. And she has adopted a child of the tribe that murdered her family.
Sid: Give me a tip for someone that says, I understand what you are saying, but I’m married to a man that abuses me constantly. What am I suppose to do, forgive him every day?
Peter: When somebody is being constantly abused or constantly in a difficult relationship where anger and bitterness leads to scenes time and time again, yes there does need to be constant forgiveness, but at the same time it’s not right that we should constantly put ourselves in the place where these things happen again and again and again. There has to be a holding up of godly order and godly authority. Because unless we do that, we actually suffer even more and if we got children as well we’re bringing them underneath a deeper curse. I never forget a woman who came to see me said I have a perfect marriage and I laughed a perfect marriage? She said, yes I never put a foot wrong, my children never put a foot wrong, they always do absolutely perfectly, because my husband has such an anger that if we put a foot wrong we get absolutely blasted. And he’s one of the elders of the church, she’s one of the leaders of the church, and we have perfect in the church. But you see the situation was such that yes, she had forgiven him, but she couldn’t be herself, and her children couldn’t be themselves because of what was going on the inside. And I had to say that you cannot allow this situation to continue, it has got to be brought to the light. You have got to bring your husband to that place and say unless you actually get help we can’t actually continue in this sort of way. And sometimes there’s a tough call as to how do we deal with this? But there are real issues here that we can’t allow the enemy just to roll right all over us because somebody is behaving in a very ungodly way.
Sid: Peter your book, “Forgiveness, God’s Master Key” has been available for awhile, what type of feedback do you get over the book?”
Peter: Well, we get many, many letters, letters from people who have read through the book and begun to apply it in their lives. Sometimes I get letters from people who are saying I’ve done this so far but I’m now finding it really hard. And it really is hard to go into the debts of forgiveness. People say I can forgive so much but, and then the holding out of but to God because they don’t want to let go of that final thing. And yet it is in that letting go of that final thing that we love to help people because as they let got it is like opening a plug being pulled out and the life of God can just pour in. But we get many many stories of people that talk about major physical healing that has taken place, restoration of relationship in families.
Sid: My guest Dell and Pat Hicks had a Thanksgiving miracle. On November 12th 1991 Dell was flying home for a funeral. He was going somewhere between the Bahamas and Fort Lauderdale. His plane went into the ocean, crashed. He was in the water with the other passengers in the plane for forty hours. The water was freezing; his leg cramped up; he had no feeling in one leg. Can you imagine treading water with just one leg? But there wasn’t just water, it wasn’t just ocean water, it was freezing water. He was freezing. A pilot, as a matter of fact Pat, do you remember the news paper reporter that tried to do a report on what had occurred and he went into the water and what did he say about it?
Pat: He was a professional diver besides being a news anchor and he went out to the bay there in Miami and went down into the water to see what they had been experiencing and he had to come out of the water even though he was in a full wet suit. He couldn’t take it and the news media was there to see it.
Sid: And in other words it was too cold for him to even demonstrate what your husband went through and he was just going in for a couple of minutes rather than forty hours. And as a matter of fact a shark circled one of the passengers, I mean it was just a horrific time so you’re there praying for all your worth. You don’t know what’s going on except your husband didn’t show up. The coast guard is searching in the Atlantic forty hours have gone by they haven’t found him two nights. And I would assume that everyone is giving up, but at one point you had an assurance from God, tell me about that.
Pat: I had finally gone to bed Wednesday night, but woke up suddenly and I heard in my spirit call those things that be not as though they were. So I began to call Dell he’s rescued safe and sound, rescued safe and sound. And I called my pastor and told him about it, what had happened and I went back to bed. Somewhere around six o’clock it was still very dark; I awakened and sat up in the bed, but couldn’t believe I was awake because there was no terror; there were no flaming airplane crashes in my mind, it was just as if there was nothing wrong in the world. I sat there just having to really convince myself that actually was awake trying to believe how I was feeling; it had been so traumatic since Tuesday afternoon. I got up and went and washed clothes and did something I just had…couldn’t get everybody up because they finally was all asleep. But any way I sat there and as I was praying and just worshiping God and I thought well, what ever happened to Dell was over. There couldn’t have been that kind of peace and that thing still be going on. I finally went and woke the family, told everybody to get up we were going to praise God because it was good news coming. There had to be good news, there was no way to convince me that was the most awesome peace that I have ever experienced in my life.
Sid: Well, miraculously one of the passengers who was a good swimmer swam that distance and was able to get, I don’t know how he did that by the way, and he got help and the coast guard went out in a helicopter. And there policy is if someone is dead they ignore that person, but they look for the passengers that are alive and so they were flying over Dell, but Dell had passed out at that time and he looked like he was dead. What happened?
Pat: The coastguardsman told us that he looked down at Dell and knowing that they were going to have to pass over him and he said Lord if that man’s alive let him move something; and Dell’s arm immediately came up.
Sid: How could this possibly be? He’s frozen!
Pat: Ha, I believe an angel lifted his arm.
Sid: Well, I believe that too, but that was the first miracle. I mean they should have let him die, he was totally passed out and collapsed and he looked for all practical purposes dead. So they finally got him back and they got him into the hospital; and then you dealt with him, he needed another miracle. It’s called survive, because his body was so frozen, what was his body temperature?
Pat: Eighty-three degrees.
Sid: And did they offer much hope for him?
Pat: Well, they didn’t tell us a whole lot, sir. They kept telling us that they had to move him; they had to move him with us trying to get family in there to see him before they took him; they said they were going to have to warm him up. So much went on, it was about 8:30 in the morning and it was at least 5:00 that afternoon before we ever saw him again. He was literally freezing to death and they were expecting him to die at any moment.
Sid: Well they used an extremely aggressive approach to try to save his life. They literally took his blood out of his body, warmed it and then put it back. And so they saved his life and then there was a blood clot; tell me about that.
Pat: He was in the hospital for a week. When he went home that Friday, he was having leg cramps, we went to the doctor he said that it would go away for him to do some slow walking. Over the weekend by Monday morning he was in a lot of agony. We went back to the doctor; they wrapped his leg and told him just to try to be patient that they felt like the leg cramps would ease up. It had been from him being so cold in the water and trying to tread water all that time, all those hours. About Wednesday night the night before Thanksgiving, Alisha came in and told me that I needed to go look at her Daddy that something was wrong with his leg. It had turned black and swollen and had filled up his pajama leg actually it was so swollen. I called my doctor, called my pastor first, he came right over, we began to pray and while we were praying, I saw something lift from the upper part of Dell’s thigh and I said to my pastor, did you see that? And he said no what is it? I said, I don’t know but something has lifted from the top of Dell’s leg there at the thigh. We called in the doctor, they even put me through to the hospital where he was operating they told me to get him to a hospital right away. We put him in the car, started to the hospital and we were proclaiming life scriptures over him and then all of a sudden, I heard, “Tell him to say this. I shall not die but live and declare the works of the Lord and I said, “Father, I don’t want to do that, it meant…you know. So I started having him say it and we rode that all the way to the hospital. As it turned out, he had a two foot blood clot in his left leg, they did not know if he would even live for the first few days. He had to lay completely motionless and they wouldn’t even tell us if he was going to live or die for those first few days. The clot had stopped at the place that the Lord had showed me in the spirit what was happening there. The doctor told us that it could be a problem later on in time, but we began to call that blood clot dissolved and out of his body. He went for a couple of years with that thing kind of aggravating him and then he came home from the Bahamas one day and he was in a lot of suffering with it, a lot. They sent him to the Mercy hospital there in Miami where they did a Doppler and the blood clot was gone and it is gone forever.
Sid: Now, how did they account for that?
Pat: They couldn’t. Ha-ha. Ha-ha.
Sid: You read the newspapers, I read the news papers, you see what is going on with this earth so rapidly, I mean literally before our eyes we’re seeing all sorts of evil that is going on, how important is it to understand the revelation of Psalm 91?
Pat: Mr. Roth there is nothing else but a revelation of a Word of God, that is as these days proceed, if you don’t know the Word and have it in your heart, I don’t know what will happen, it almost frightens me to even thing of even family of friends that have not realized this Word spoken out of our mouth is going to be the matter of life and death.
Sid: And please, very quickly, when you or your husband get a bad report from a medical doctor, a blood test that show this or that might happen to you what do you do with that evil report from the doctor. It’s a true report, that is what you’re blood shows, but what do you do?
Pat: It is a fact report that’s true you don’t deny it, but you a…well, don’t know some years ago I got me a red marking pen and I started taking those reports that were abnormal in any way and we right normal in red across them. I turn them there face down on the floor and we dance on them. And we laugh at it, we point our fingers at it and we laugh at it and we declare that no weapon formed against us shall prosper and it will be effective by the blood of the Lamb.
Sid: Now Kevin you have had many visitations from the Lord and you’ve had visitations where He’s instructed you. And I sure hope you go to our web Sid Rothe.org and listen to a first few days of our interview; and even if you heard it to listen to it again. There’s is an anointing on it, but you’ve had visitations in which you’ve been instructed how angels cooperate and how we’re to cooperate with angels and how to have open Heavens and we’re making available two special CD’s. One is called “How to Work with God’s Angels and tell me what you believe God accomplishes with this teaching Kevin.
Kevin: I believe that it helps people to understand that God has millions of angels which are prepared and ready, willing and able to co-labor with us to manifest God’s Kingdom upon the Earth. And the Lord has at various times shown me different ways that we can legally co-labor with God’s angels and this teaching helps people to understand those ways. They’re actually quite simple.
Sid: Now as someone understands this, what kind of feedback are you getting?
Kevin: Oh, we’ve had people whose lives have been transformed. I mean, many testimonies where we have shared the material in these teachings that people began to co-labor with the angels and they see God multiply provision in their lives, some people are launched out into ministry, they begin to minister in power of the Holy Spirit signs, wonders, miracles, healings.
Sid: Tell me about the other CD were making available, “God’s Instruction for the Miraculous.” What happened when you taught this or when you teach this at meetings, the same teaching when you also pray for impartation?
Kevin: Well, we see people who are empowered to begin to operate in the Gifts of the Spirit and the teachings say that Jesus sought many times to increase His disciple’s faith and this teaching is designed to do that. And as our faith increases we are able to manifest Christ kingdom and to minister in the Gifts of the Spirit. And that teaching helps people to be activated into that and the impartation I believe is tangible, but there is something that comes upon people’s lives which they did not have before which they can begin to use to smite the waters of their life much like Elisha did when he received an impartation from Elijah.
Sid: Kevin there are so many things I want to ask you about, but I have to tell you the thing that intrigues me the most is when you had a vision of vaults in Heaven having to do with spare body parts! Explain that.
Kevin: You know the Bible says that we are seated with Christ in Heavenly places and there was a season in my life when the Lord would invite me to come up into Heaven and to fellowship with Him. And I’ve been in many places in Heaven, but there was a season where I went to this particular place which I call the library. And near the library there are these huge vaults which have many different things in them. With this particular instance here you asked me about the Lord directed me to go into this vault and Sid it looked like a bank vault only if it was ten times larger than a bank vault. It had a massive door and there were two strong angels and I knew that those angels were assigned to oversee the content of the vault. So when I went into the vault what I saw was rows and rows and rows of very immaculate what looked to be medical implements and there were stacked high as you could see, you know fifty feet high on either side rows neatly arranged of body parts and there were, you know, eyes and fingers and livers and pancreases and whole arms and legs and fingers and toes. And I knew just from being there I had revelation thru the unction of the Holy Spirit that these two angels were just two of many many thousands of angels like this that God has in Heaven who can co-labor with us to bring body parts to people upon earth.
Sid: Have you ever seen this happen at one of this happen at one of your meetings or when you prayed for someone?
Kevin: Yes, we have seen creative miracles.
Sid: Tell me one.
Kevin: Well, once in India a man grew a foot.
Sid: Grew a foot?
Kevin: His foot came back upon his body, yea.
Sid: Oh my goodness.
Kevin: And we’ve had people…
Sid: How did you pray for him or did it just happen in the presence in the atmospheric anointing?
Kevin: This literally happened in the presence of the Lord. The Bible says at times the presence of God is there to heal and this particular meeting Sid, there were about conservatively 19,000 people there and I saw Jesus step into the meeting with my open eyes. And the Lord walked through the number of people that were in that meeting and just began to touch people and people were just healed. There were literally hundreds of healings in that meeting and dozens of blind people healed. I didn’t touch anyone, the presence of God literally Jesus was there to touch and heal.
Sid: Now, what happened when this man came forward and said I had my foot restored? I image the presence of God must have, whatever it was it must have been a 1,000% higher.
Kevin: Absolutely Sid, unfortunately I was limited in that meeting. We were not able to take testimonies at the meeting. But we received the testimonies later from our host pastor who called us to give us a report of all these different miracles that had transpired. Another lady had vertebrae grow back in her spine. There was many blind people that were healed, tumors had dissolved; just incredible miracles that the Lord Jesus Himself manifest.
Sid: Now at the very start of this day’s interview I could feel just a sweet presence of God’s Holy Spirit and it just keeps increasing. Do you know what God wants to do?
Kevin: I believe God wants to touch His people. God wants to touch the people who are listening and the Lord wants to make Himself real to us. He wants to make His Kingdom real to us; He wants us to walk in the realms of Heaven all the time.
Sid: Well would you pray that right now?
Kevin: If you are listening, I want you just to yield yourself and speak to God and say Lord, whatever it is that you want from me, I receive it now. So Father today in Jesus Name I release Your Kingdom. Holy Spirit, I ask You to begin to touch people. I sense that there are people that are just feeling the presence of God.
Sid: Well, I’m one of them.
Kevin: And the Lord is just going to do a deep interhealing. Thank you for that Lord, a deep interhealing in Jesus name. Now I see that God releasing some people from generational issues. Nothing you have ever done, but generational curses that have been appointed God. You’re just going to feel like something’s lifted off your head. Some of you may feel something coming out through the roof of your head right now. General curses I bind them, I command them to loose right now. Lord we ask for You Kingdom to come here upon Earth as it is in Heaven.
Sid: Now, you saw a vault of mantles of famous people from the Bible. Tell me about that experience.
Kevin: I was in the same place where these vaults were and the Lord allowed me go into another room and again it had about a door like a bank vault and I walked in there, there was neatly wrapped boxes. And honestly, Sid I didn’t know the names of many of the people that were on the boxes. I notices that they had little golden name plates and there were names on those and I looked for a long time at the boxes. I didn’t see any names that I recognized but eventually I recognized a few I did recognize like Smith Wigglesworth and Mariah Worth Etters.
So I’m thinking to myself, what in the world are these boxes but I knew that they had to be very very valuable, whatever it was because God had stored them there with precision and care. And it was obvious that they were very valuable in the Kingdom of God. And so I looked for a long time and finally I saw one box which seemed to attract me. I was attracted to this box and I picked it up, and when I held it in my hands the two angels that were there beside me smiled at me and I noticed that it was the mantle of Steven. And I opened it up and the angels took the mantle out of the box and placed it upon me.
Sid: What did it look like? A robe or what was it?
Kevin: It looked like a white robe, Sid. But it was kind of like a one size fits all you know. It wasn’t tailored to an individual person so it was a very loose fitting garment. But it was made of that phosphorescent material and when I put it on I felt the anointing and the power of the Holy Spirit go through me. And then I knew, I was supposed to return to where the Lord was waiting. And when Jesus saw me, He looked me in the eyes; put His hands upon my shoulders and when He did that I had revelation. The Lord said, well done my son. And I had the revelation that God was releasing the mantle of Steven back into the church, back into the earth in this hour so that unusual miracles will be worked by ordinary people because Steven was an ordinary man. You know he was just a bus boy we would call him today in the church.
Sid: But there was another part, he was such a martyr a witness that he gave his life. Do you think that goes along with it?
Kevin: Sid, it could and you know something? That’s something we need to consider seriously, but I believe that this mantle will be for ordinary people and I don’t believe that you’ll have to become a martyr to operate in the power of the Holy Spirit like Steven. The Lord began to speak to me about this, that many of the people that would be raised up in this mantle of Steven would be unknown and we will never know who they are on this side of eternity but specifically in the Middle East and in China God will begin use women and young children in this type of anointing and authority of the Kingdom of God.
Sid: Can you picture young Sobra’s, that’s native born Israeli’s and young Moslems this mantle coming on and what damage they’ll do to the kingdom of darkness?
Kevin: I can, and I’m excited about it and I lay upon my bed at times and meditate upon these things Sid and give God glory for the things that He’s about to do along these lines.
Sid: Do you actually, when you mediate do you see yourself doing these things, is that part of what you do?
Kevin: At times, the Lord will show me things, if I’m preparing for a specific meeting or a specified soul winning outreach for example in Africa. At times the Lord will show me events that will happen in advance and yes, so that is one way that we do minister and we can release the power of God. When really what we’re talking about is the Word of Wisdom or the Word of Knowledge that God under the unction of the Holy Spirit will show us things that are to happen in advance.
Sid: Are you seeing dead people raised to life?
Kevin: Yes, we have seen the dead raised and I have had one vision, I shared earlier about in one of the earlier broadcasts how the Lord took me and we walked together in the realms of Heaven for several hours and during that time the Lord showed me I was preaching at a large soul winning outreach and…
Sid: Oh, I’ll tell you what. We’ll pick up right there on tomorrow’s broadcast. But Mishpochah I want you to get his two CDs. I want him to mentor you, you think you’re exciting now, wait until you listen to these two CDs “How to Work with God’s Angels” and “And God’s Instructions for the Miraculous.”
Sid: I want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah. See the problem is not all of us were created equal. We didn’t all start at the same point. Some of us need more help than others to be normal believers in the Messiah. And until our heart is healed we can’t receive everything that God wants to have. Let’s go to this excerpt from Michael Hinson who over a three day period God showed him his own heart. He thought he was a pretty good Christian till God Revealed the most deceitful of all things is your heat; and then when his heart was repaired he helps repair other people in that area. Let’s go.
Michael Hinson excerpt.
Sid: Michael Hinson tell me, you were praying for a encounter with God that He would show you your heart. Why were you praying that He would show you your heart?
Michael: Well, I heard in the word to that to ask God to come and show you your heart. So I was faithfully praying for years that He would show me my heart.
Sid: Did you really think that He would do that?
Michael: Oh yeah, but I figured He would come and show me you know, this little thing needs some polishing here and maybe we’ll pluck that out and buff this up here and essentially He would pat me on the back and already say, well good …well done good and faithful servant you’re on the right track.
Sid: That’s the way I would have written the script but that’s not what happened. What happened?
Michael: That wasn’t it at all. The Lord showed up.
Sid: Tell me first of all what time of the day it was, where were you?
Michael: I’d been praying and couldn’t tell you exactly the time of day but I remember being out on the farm. We had a large horse farm my wife was raising horses at the time and I remember being out on the farm working and all of a sudden the presence of God just filled my heart and it was a great encounter. I could sense that it was the presence of the Lord but then it became overwhelming; and when I mean overwhelming He started bit by bit showing me the pieces of my heart. He showed me the parts that I thought were those times in God when He came and just flooded me with His presence that I knew was His touch. What He was showing me was my own self centerness. He was showing me my own parts of my heart that weren’t in alignment with the will and plan that He had for my life.
Sid: Well, now if some prophet had walked up to you before this experience and pointed his bony finger at you and said “Your selfish, your self-centered you would have said to that prophet?
Michael: I would have probably smiled at him but inside knowing inside knowing what he said wasn’t accurate, that I really believed that my own motives were pure. I really believed that I knew that I was not perfected but that there wasn’t really anything basically wrong with me that God couldn’t just touch.
Sid: You know, Jeremiah says that the heart is the most deceitful of all things. I guess he knew what he was talking about. You were deceived.
Michael: Oh, I was definitely deceived. I really believed that I was an ideal Christian. Not perfected but knowing that everyday God was going to touch a little more and change some things here. What He did when He same and showed up, it wasn’t that He necessarily took me down some road that showed me my heart from the beginning of my days until that moment. His glory was so overwhelming that in the presence of His glory everything and that did not reflect purity. Everything that did not reflect His essence; everything that I did that wasn’t born from Him that came out of my own selfishness or came out of my own need or to fill my own satisfaction it was like a big black sign in a bright light blocking the light from flowing where it was suppose to go. He didn’t go look at this and look at this and look at this area of your life. Those areas of my life that were born out of my own self centeredness, out of my own will or my own desires they shown in the presence of His glory in an overwhelming way like a dark cloud in a clear day. They were a giant sign for anyone to see. I understand that when we are in His presence He’s not going to condemn us with a list of all the things that we did wrong, in his glory all those things that were not born out of Him will shine up as darkness and everyone around us will be able to see them. There was no place I could run, there was no place I could hide and He didn’t reveal all His glory at once. If He had done that it would have consumed me. I would have dropped dead.
Sid: How has this changed you, the man, the husband, the father, the teacher?
Michael: Well, I’m a different person because of the encounter, I’ve never been the same ever since. Before I tried to do things so that I could produce God’s goodness in different areas of my life and of the people around me. I see God in everything. There isn’t a day that I don’t see Him in everything. I actually understood right after that encounter what it meant when Jesus said, rocks would have cried out if the people of Israel had not have cried out because God is even in them. He is the very force that hold them together; He is in everything.
Sid: How has this changed your understanding of the Word as a teacher?
Michael: It was like day and night. I saw things from a way that it would affect us and the things that we need to do. When I read the Word before I read it in a way that we needed to clean our act up; Here’s what the Word says so this is what we are doing that is contrary to the Word and all we have to do now is clean up our act and then we’d line up with the Word.
Sid: You were more like a fighting fundie rather than walking in love.
Michael: Absolutely, a completely different thing. Now when I read the Word I see the power of His truth, the power of who He is and then I don’t have to worry about the things that don’t line up with that. I need to even forget about those things, repent of those things I’m taking with me and just step into what He’s called me to be. I had this attitude before that I needed to clean up and become a better Christian instead of just walking in the fullness of what He’s already given me. It the completely different mindset, a completely different thinking.
Sid: Michael Hinson, what do you mean by live life to the fullest?
Michael: There’s so many people that are accepting life as it is. They think that living in the survival mode or going through all the struggles’ and the worries and the things that we have to do are part of God’s plan for our life. And yes we’ll go through trials but we’ll never be alone and we shouldn’t have to deal with depression or anxieties or fears or the things that people consider to be common place. So many people have a lack of intimacy in their own life either in their marriage or with their family. And some people have a lack of intimacy with God and they believe that is part of the Christian walk. Jesus came to give us these things and if we don’t have these things then there’s something missing. Heal the Heart is more than healing the heart. It’s is bringing somebody into a position of wholeness with God, the wholeness with Christ, living the life that Jesus promised. Wouldn’t it be sad to get to Heaven and see that our life could be so much fuller than what we’ve been living it? If we had just applied some simple truths that God, and there so simple that God originally gave us. And somehow it seems that in many of the churches that these truths are glossed over or there missing or people are teaching them in such a way that they don’t get the fullness of it and because of that the quality of our life isn’t what it should be.
Sid: Okay, we’ve been trying to get this out all week, Michael. You have such a revolutionary truth on forgiveness. You started out and we covered that that God does not forgive sin, sin is evil. God forgives the sinner and separates the sin from the sinner. Explain.
Michael: Well some people think, well this is just semantics, we’re just talking words. But we run across in the church are so many people trying to forgive what someone else did to them and God doesn’t even forgive the sin we commit, He forgives us and then separates the sin. So the reason we bring this out is that people, when we are directing to forgive others, what they did was wrong. We can’t forgive what they did. What we can do is forgive them and then separate what they did from them. Take it from them; release the debt they owe us for what they did to us. Sue, had a bad back and she had been in tremendous amount of pain, had had surgeries and many good Christian men leaders and men and women of the church had prayed for her and she would feel better and it would never go away. When I went to pray for her I asked her when this started. She said about three years ago. So the next question’s really simple, what happened in your life three years ago? And then she started talking about her divorce she went through. It was a bitter and ugly divorce, a separation between her and her husband ended up causing a separation between her and her children. She was totally annihilated. He got the money, he got the million dollar attorney, he ended up with everything and she ended up with nothing. And it turned out that she went to sleep on her anger more than once. The unforgiveness and all turned into bitterness which ended up showing up in her back and eventually crippling her. We lead her through a very similar prayer which she released him, not of what he did, what he did was wrong but she chose to forgive him and separate what he did and let it go to the cross of Jesus Christ and at that point you could just see her entire countenance change. She literally looked ten years younger.
Sid: What about the backache?
Michael: She jumped up out of that chair, started jumping up and down and she was not the same person at all. I was crying, she was crying, joy filled the church. Everyone who knew her was just in shock or were rejoicing with her because she literally was a different person. And since that time God has restored her life in every way. Her children are close back to her, her finances have returned. She is entirely a different person, God has blessed her.
Sid: Okay, let’s go to this whole…your understanding of forgiveness but I have to ask you a question. What about someone that did not understand this and they’ve got so many emotions and hurts inside of them from having stewed over this problem for years, if they say this prayer will they get rid of all of that baggage?
Michael: When they have an understanding of the separation of sins yes. With the measure we forgive God returns that back to us. He said, with the measure you choose to forgive others I will choose you, I will forgive you. Another way of saying it is if you do not choose to forgive others, He cannot forgive you.
Sid: What happens to us when we take that attitude?
Michael: Then unforgiveness starts to infiltrate our entire being and we become poisoned by it. We say this, unforgiveness is the poison we drink in hopes that the other person will get sick but it never happens, and we become poisoned over a period of time. Our nature takes on a different countenance, we’re not the same.
Sid: I’m so excited because Michael Hinson is one ten of my best guests over the years that I have put in a book the title is “Stories of Supernatural Healing” this book is going to mentor you. For instance, in the book Don Dickerman, he has literally prayed for over 25,000 men and woman for deliverance. His secrets are explained. And then Dr. Paul Hegstrom, Paul literally has proven that at childhood if you have trauma your brain gets short circuited and he shown you how to be healed in that arena. We’ve also added a CD of the highest impact teaching of each one of the people in the book on a CD that the anointing is literally going to jump off of you and you’re going to be able to do those works you have been dreaming of.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Sandra Kennedy. And Sandra had a horrible thing happen. Her dog just playing around bites a chunk of her lip off. The doctors say the best we can do is give you a half a dozen or so surgeries and you’ll still have your mouth here. You won’t talk properly. Sandra says, “No, my God is going to heal me.” She takes that stance. She speaks to her lip. She refuses to look at pictures of people with clef lips that they had surgery to heal. She just looks at a picture of herself smiling. She speaks to her lip constantly and she yells at the devil when you have these bad thoughts.
Sid: So what happened?
Sandra: Well of course, the more I spoke the Word of God, you know, because the Word of God is so powerful and so mighty. And of course, what I did—
Sid: Did you speak it or just read it?
Sandra: No, I spoke it. And I would say, “By the stripes of Jesus you are healed and I demand you in the name of Jesus to move yourself and reform yourself. I command you to do it in the name of the Lord.” Because the Bible says by the stripes of Jesus I am healed. And that’s what I said earlier. People are trying to get God to do something that God has already done. What God has done for me He will do for anybody. He will do for anybody because the healing power of God if you’re born again is already inside of you. All you have to do is release it. Sid, a lot of people die hoping it’s gonna work. You can die and hope. You gotta get out of hope and into faith. And that’s what we teach how to do, how to get out of hope, how to get in faith. You get in faith it’s gonna work, and naturally you can see it worked.
Sid: Obviously, it worked. Now this is an outrageous miracle. But outrageous is, I mean, what I’m about ready to tell you is off the charts. Tell me about the woman that had Crohn’s disease and she prayed to be healed, but she put her Bible on the X-ray. Explain.
Sandra: She did. On the X-ray it showed the horrible condition of her Crohn’s disease, because she wanted a child and couldn’t get pregnant, which, by the way, we prayed for a lot of people who’ve had hysterectomies and they have gotten children. I just threw that in.
Sid: You do know that’s medically impossible.
Sandra: I do.
Sid: Okay. But I just thought I’d remind you.
Sandra: So we taught the lady, her X-rays that showed all of this horrible Crohn’s disease, we taught her to take the Word of God and lay the Word on the X-ray. Sid, the X-ray changed, not a new X-ray.
Sid: I don’t think we realize how much power there is in the Word of God.
Sandra: Oh man.
Sid: As a matter of fact, someone right now, you have a pain in your neck, you have just been healed. What do you believe when things get tough and we in a America can’t go to our doctor or can’t get our medicine because that day will be coming and we’ll be forced to rely on God or die.
Sandra: Absolutely. Right.
Sid: That’s why it’s so important to be prepared.
Sandr And that’s why, Sid, you know, I tell people if you go into a church and they don’t believe in healing, I mean, they’re a part of the Gospel. I mean, Jesus went around teaching, preaching and healing. You’ve got to understand that what Jesus did for you with healing is just as active as his forgiveness of sins. And you have to know it because in the days ahead you can learn to stand on the Word of God. God’s not a man that He should lie and you can hold onto that thing. We see more cancer cures than anything.
Sid: Sandra, there are people watching us right now with cancer and other conditions. I believe if you pray at this moment they’re going to be healed.
Sid: Pray for them.
Sandra: I promise you in the name of the Lord, God already loves you. He has already put his healing power inside of you and I command now in the name of Jesus that that healing power be released in your body. We curse to the root lying symptoms in the name of Jesus and we command the power of God to rise up in your life in Jesus’ name. We call you how Jesus calls you. He calls you healed so we call you healed in the name of the Lord. And remember Sid, a symptom is not a sickness.
Sid: I know that. And it says in the 103rd Psalm, “Bless the Lord O my soul and forget not all His benefits.” He has forgiven all of my sins. You believe that, how about the next part. And he has healed all of my diseases. You’re not sure? Step one, is to make sure your sins are forgiven. You do that by telling God you’re sorry for the mistakes you’ve made and you want His power to not walk in sin areas, and you ask Him to remove all of your sins because of his shed blood and to live inside of you, and then you start looking at God’s promises and His Word, and you start teaching it. It is so strong by people that know, not people that are speaking theory, but know in Jesus’ name. I tell you that cancer is gone and that hip is healed. You get up and start walking right now. New hip. New hip.
Sid: As a new Jewish believer, I met Katherine Kuhlman. She had more miracles than anyone I had ever seen. But she had a secret. It was her relationship with the Holy Spirit. My next guest has the same intimacy. He moves in major miracles continuously and wants to teach you. Next on this edition of It’s Supernatural.
Can ancient secrets of the supernatural be rediscovered? Do angels exist? Is there life after death? Are healing miracles real? Can you get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent 30 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of It’s Supernatural.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Well my guest, Jim Hockaday, I’ve been waiting for him and I’m going to tell you why, because when I said I had been waiting for him I’m reminded of someone I met by the name of Katherine Kuhlman. Katherine Kuhlman had the most outrageous, the most number, the most wonderful miracles of just about anyone I had ever seen, and her key, if you will, was she was in love with God. She had such intimacy with the Holy Spirit. I remember she used to say, “Please don’t grieve the Holy Spirit. He’s all that I have.” And then after the Katherine Kuhlman era we moved into what’s known as the Word period where people overdosed on the Word. First, they overdosed on intimacy with God then they overdosed on the Word, and God demonstrated Himself strong by standing on the Word. God demonstrated Himself strong by having an emphasis of intimacy with God. But what would happen, Jim Hockaday, if we could put both of those together? It’s got to be an End Time dynamite of the Holy Spirit.
Jim: That’s exactly what we’re walking into, that day, where they balance out each other. And the Holy Spirit gives such revelation to the Word, but the Word is just as much fellowship with God and it confirms what the Holy Spirit is doing in your life. So there is a balance, and that’s exactly how I’ve endeavored to pattern my life.
Sid: Jim had quite a training. I believe you didn’t have much to do with it. I believe that God directed you. He directed him to be a singer for the Rhema Singers and in order to be a singer there was a requirement. You had to go to school there. But you got to know Kenneth Hagan very well.
Jim: Yes sir.
Sid: And I believe that his greatest desire is for someone like you and many of the others that he trained to stand on his shoulders and take the revelation he had and take it even further. But if I was to force you to tell me one thing you learned from Kenneth Hagan, who’s in Heaven right now, what would that be?
Jim: Well let me back up to say that so many would say Kenneth Hagan had an amazing love walk, and he did. He had an amazing faith walk and he did. But the one thing that stands out to me is he knew God. There was such a deep intimacy with the Holy Spirit and it wasn’t something that was in the platform alone. This is how he walked with God on a regular basis. And that doesn’t mean that he didn’t have fun, because he was quite an individual, and we certainly had many opportunities to have a lot of fun being in the group and times after the services. He might be the first one to throw a spit wad at you or a rubber bands.
Sid: But now that wasn’t your legacy. Your legacy was modeling yourself after a man that walked the love walk.
Jim: Absolutely, absolutely. And this is why it’s interesting to see his natural side, but to see that he incorporated his knowledge of God through all of it.
Sid: Now when you started in the healing school I understand Jim didn’t see many people healed. That’s got to be very frustrating. People come all over the world to sit in this healing school and they’ve heard about Kenneth Hagan, and you must have felt awful.
Jim: For the first three months it was a terrible feeling because I knew that it was right for me to be there and God directed me, as you said. We saw a lot of people die, and of course, you can’t advertise that. So you know, it was a deciding moment for myself. Lord, something has to change. And just to say typically, you know, we’d always say well, you know, God wasn’t moving or the people weren’t in faith. But I went to the Lord and said, “I’m the problem.”
Sid: People normally aren’t that honest, are they?
Jim: I don’t think so. But that’s where you begin with God to have a revelation for yourself. And when I became honest like that I said, Lord, this is what I’m supposed to do, but I know I’m the problem so teach me. And when He began to teach me and took me right to covenant to do so and to begin with the blood covenant immediately, the miraculous began to happen
Sid: Something about the blood that releases the miraculous of God.
Jim: And it was the blood that gave me the boldness to know that God would back me up, and that’s when things began to happen right in the services, sometimes without even a laying on of hands.
Sid: You know, when I started getting your teaching something amazing happened to me. And the thing that was so amazing is I believe that there is an impartation of supernatural boldness in the way that you pray for people.
Jim: Yes sir.
Sid: I was at my home congregation. I had a word of knowledge. I said someone’s neck is healed and I had just heard your teaching, which we’ll get into in the next segment. I said to this woman, “The minute my hand touches your forehead the pain will be gone.” And so I said that to her and then I’m thinking, what happens if she’s not healed? But before I could even get that thought out I put my hand on her head and, praise God, she was healed. I couldn’t believe I said that. But because of what you teach I jumped into that arena. Does that make sense to you?
Jim: Oh it was a process through so many experiences just exactly as you mentioned.
Sid: Hold that thought. I want you to tell me about the woman you sent to run water and a tumor. Don’t go away. You’ll be shocked by this.
Sid: I am so pleased to announce that after thirty-five years of investigating the finest representatives God has had on earth to demonstrate the supernatural. I have put together in a book the ten best and it’s called “Supernatural Experiences.” I want you to hear and excerpt of my friend Earthquake Kelley, at age four he started drugs. He was beaten daily; he was literally groomed to be a voodoo priest for Poppa Doc in Haiti. Let’s go to that excerpt now.
Sid: At fifteen, I mean you have lived life at fifteen the same voice that you heard when you were just four years of age that showed you step by step how to get high speaks to you again and it talks about getting supper high, explain.
Earthquake: Right, my brothers and I were getting high and we were at this little party like thing and I heard this voice again, he said you know how like everybody likes to brag about how much drugs they took, right? And I said yea, and this voice is asking me that question and I said sure. He said, but you want people to respect you in the streets to be a man, I said yea. He said, “I’m going to show you how to get really, really, really high,” and I said, okay show me, I want to be respected as a man who can hold his dope. And like a fool, I listened and he said, take some cocaine, okay which was no problem because we were dealers and there was plenty of cocaine around there. And he said take some marijuana, some weed, we did that, same thing, plenty of weed around; and he said to take some pills which was the strongest pills, Sid that if you take one tab and cut it in half and cut that half in half you will stay high for eight days off the half of the half. And I took about two or three of them and he said now, now drop all of it and so I did. Dropped all of it and overdose hit me. All of a sudden I looked around where I was, I sitting in this place where we were having a party; this little bar type place and where I was it got pitch black and everybody else was light and I knew I was in trouble. I was facing the window looking out this window and the sun’s light was coming in and the sun rays was hitting me on the head at first but the sun rays would come right to my forehead, would turn to the left and go behind me. It wouldn’t even touch me and all of the sudden all of a sudden out of the floor comes all these evil spirits, they grab me they start tormenting me and I start screaming and yelling but nobody can hear me. The person that was serving the drinks in front of us, he couldn’t hear me and I knew that I was going to the same place where those guys with the yellow light was and their face was glowing. And sure enough they pulled me out of my body, Sid and down through the earth I went and they were tormenting me and tormenting me with ways that I can’t even tell you all the things that they were hitting me with. And they told me, you are a fool you listened to us, you did our voodoo and our black magic for us and you sold our dope and now you are lost forever. And while they was tormenting me down there in the pits of hell, I mean hell. Hell is real; in the pits of Hell a hands of life hallelujah came down to the horrible pit and grabbed me by my shoulders Sid, and was pulling me out of the hands of those evil spirits and they were screaming and yelling he’s mine he’s ours he belongs to us and I felt their nails and their teeth being loosen as the hands was pulling me, put me back in my body. I sat up and then a voice said the same voice that met me when I was thirteen at that altar it says because of your mothers’ prayers, hallelujah because of your mothers’ prayers you are chosen you were spared.
Sid: Is there really a Hell?
Earthquake: Oh, there’s a Hell just as sure as there is a God in Heaven, there is a Hell. This place is real, this place is miserable, it is tormenting, it’s lonely. You even got all the thoughts that you had when you walked on this planet on the top side of here. You take all of those thoughts down there every time you heard the Word and you refused to have it. Every time you know God was trying to get you to turn around. When He told you, don’t take that drink; don’t get in the bed with that person. Don’t shoot that Heroin. Don’t smoke, don’t curse God, don’t get in this false religion, all those different things will haunt you on top of the torment there in Hell. Yes, it’s real, oh gosh it’s real.
Sid: You’re doing another drug deal, but one of your sisters invites you to revival meeting; what happened?
Earthquake: Yes, Sid man she was like “You’re going to church.” And I said, “No, I don’t do the church thing, you know that.” And she said, “You’re going to church and she said, got so close in to my face everyday like that every fifteen minutes she would be back oh, you’re going to church God wants to save you. Yea, I said no I can’t go to church I got a deal, I’ve got a big deal going on, I’m going to be back on my feet, I’m not going to be dragging on this floor. I’m going to be back up and as soon as I’m back on my feet I’ve got to run now, we’ve got to finish this deal in Chicago. And she said no, you’ll never see that deal and she did in my face; okay go to church with me tonight. Go to church with me tonight and if you don’t like it you don’t go back. And I said that’s cool that’s a deal. So I went to church with her, I said sit me in the back. I said, wait a minute, I said you know I can’t walk. So her and my other sister got under me and one got on one arm and one got on the other and they helped me into the car cause my legs were like wet noodles. And I sat there and they put me in the back and the preacher was preaching and I mean Sid, he was preaching you know those good old Holy Ghost revival kind of preaching. I’ve got fire kind of preaching, he was preaching and after the service I told my sister, I said that that was good, great great show, I’ve got to go back. She said oh no, you’re going back tomorrow. I said, I’m not going back to church tomorrow, I told you I gave you my word. Because I had a thing about giving your word we were growing up if two of you give your word you keep it. And so she talked me into going the next night and I went, and the same thing, and the next night. Then the Pastor saw me sitting in the back and he said, young man you back there in the back. And Sid, you know any church, especially in a lot of the black churches when you point to somebody everybody turns around and looks, right.
Earthquake: So, when everybody turns around and looks I went along with the crowd, I turned around and looked too. But there was nothing back there but me and the wall. So, I said oh God, he’s talking about me. Oh man, now I can’t walk, I got no control of my bowels. I didn’t have on a diaper at that time, you know and I hear the same voice that tried to get me to die off them drugs Sid, if you go up there you are going have your bowels are going to break loose in front of all these strangers. Don’t go up there. Yea, but I heard another voice says I love you, I want to do something with your life, I brought you through so much. And it was so strong and loving it was just so compelling for me to get out of the seat. I stood up Sid, on my feet and miraculously was healed from that condition from what those drugs did that caused me not to be able to learn that my optic nerve was burned. And I walked from the back of the church by myself all the way to the front. But it wasn’t the end of it. There was also, my girl friend was a factor at the time. She came to church forbidding me to get saved and said I can’t leave her on the streets. And she said, if you get saved, you will never be with me again. I’m listening to her, I’m listening to the enemy, but the Holy Spirit was talking to me and I went down there to the Pastor and he start telling me everything I’d been through, the drugs, the witchcraft, all the seeing people killed and all those different t things and he said God wants to use you son, he wants to use you to do a great work for Him. Then I saw a vision of me preaching around the world. Then the Holy Spirit was talking to me Sid, and He said accept me now, I will restore you, use you and fill you with My Spirit. And I felt like I had a dump truck of stuff on me and I threw my hands up in the air in front of all those strangers and the girl friend was looking in from the outside and I said Lord, if You want me, you know what kind of person I am. You got to make one deal. We got to make one deal between you and I you have to use me more than the devil did. If you can do that for me, you got me forever.
Sid: God’s given you quite a deliverance ministry. In addition to a deliverance ministry I’m very impressed with the ministry you have for people that are on the streets. Tell me about that.
Earthquake: Yes, my wife Selena and I, my lovely wife, and I thank God for her; and the main thing about that real quick is that Sid, I use to be a guy on the streets and my wife was working with the Department of Defense, now how could…only God could put two people together like that.
Sid: But, you open your house to these street people and you’re doing what you bargained with the Lord to do and that is you wanted him to use you more than the devil used you.
Earthquake: That’s right, my wife and I we’ve taken in over fifty people in the twenty year period to get on their feet. We’ve had them from Hollywood, we’ve had them from WATTS, we’ve had them from the entertainment industry, very well known people who were dealing with situations that needed a place to come in and get restored. If I say their names you would know them, right off the bat. I mean we have helpful for the skid row people, the down and outers to the up and outers. And I promised God, I promised Him at that altar if you save me and you really want me, I don’t know what you can do with a person like me, but if you really have a need for me, I’m coming in whole hog. I’m giving you all, from snout from tip to tail, all of it. And there’s people that’s come in and they’ve been delivered their families been delivered, their children are going to college and God has really used us. I mean it’s taken a toll on us, one of my oldest children was shot and killed by some of the same people that we were ministering to and that was very hard. But we haven’t stopped still helping people.
Sid: When the first disciples walked with Jesus they caught something, they watched what He did. I wish as a new believer in the Messiah I had had these ten people to mentor me in the supernatural. Come to think of it I think most believers even after twenty or thirty years need mentorship in this supernatural; the most usual book “Supernatural Experiences.”
Sid: Let me tell you one other person that is in this book, Jonathan Welton. God opened his eyes for thirty days and he could see into the invisible world and see spirits on people and get them healed by just commanding those spirits to leave. And he says this gift is available for everyone. There’s a prayer of impartation at the back of each one of these stories.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Glenn Arekion. Glenn, your life, my life and your life if you pray in supernatural languages has probably been spared so many times because the devil is planning an attack against you. God knows about it. You’re praying against the devil. The devil doesn’t even know you’re praying against him because he can’t understand the supernatural language. You’re praying in perfect faith because, praise God, you can’t understand it. So there’s nothing in as perfect a pray as you can pray. Tell me about the time you had a supernatural intervention of God in Ghana.
GLENN: Well this was my first, I was 21 years old. It was my missionary trip on mainland Africa. I went to Ivory Coast and I was preaching in Abidjan. And on my way back I had to be in transit in Ghana. And so I took the plane from Abidjan to Accra. When I got to Accra the immigration officer who met us at the bottom of stair said, “Everybody on that plane is not going to London. You’re all going back to Abidjan because you are all illegal immigrants.” And I said, “Now hold it, hold it.”
SID: You weren’t illegal.
GLENN: No. I said, “First of all, I’m not Ivorian. I’m a British citizen. I’m going back to London.” He said, “No. Everybody on that plane is going back to Ivory Coast.” I said, “Where do I go? I don’t know anybody over there.” He said, “We’ll take you to jail.” When I heard the word “jail” I was all excited. I mean, I was like, no, I’m not going to jail.
SID: I’m sure.
GLENN: And this man was rude, and this man was like, “No, you’re not going to London.” And by that time he said, “Beside, the plane, your connection to London has already left. Your plane is already gone.” Now I knew in my mind if something supernatural didn’t happen I’m going to jail somewhere in Africa, and I don’t want to be in jail in Africa. So I didn’t care and I began to pray in supernatural language. I can pray. And I prayed out loud and I didn’t care because I wanted to get out of Accra to go back London. And as I prayed I heard the voice of the Lord. He said, “See that man over there? I want you to go and talk to that man.” As I was heading towards that man that other immigration officer said, “Where are you going?” I said, “I’m not talking to you. I want to see that man.” He said, “No. Where are you going?” I said, “I’m not talking to you. I want to see that man.” And I saw that man. I said, “Sir, I supposed to be going to London and they want to deport me back to Ivory Coast.” He came back a half hour later with a brand new ticket on a different airline, which I didn’t pay for, and took me back home to London.
SID: Could that have ever happened if you didn’t pray mysteries of the Spirit?
GLENN: First of all, if I didn’t pray in that supernatural language I would not know what to do. I would have panicked and be afraid, and find myself in a jail. But the Scriptures says, “With an unknown tongue He will speak to His people.” So when I prayed in unknown language, supernatural language, I heard the voice of the Lord to tell me what to do. Supernatural language will get you out of any problem that you may find yourself in.
SID: Do you know what’s been hidden because it’s not emphasized? If you study the various moves of God’s spirit throughout history you’ll find the secret of these great men and women’s power was speaking in supernatural languages. Tell me about some pillars of the church.
GLENN: John G. Lake, who had a great healing ministry, he said the making of his ministry is praying in supernatural language, speaking the language that God has given to him. Smith Wigglesworth, who was from the United Kingdom, who was an uneducated plumber, shy, timid was transformed into the apostle of faith, into the apostle of miracles and healings simply by praying in supernatural language. People like William J. Seymour, who brought about revival, the Azusa Street Revival, they all prayed in supernatural language. Our churches will be changed. Our cities will be changed. Our nation will change if the churches and believers begin to pray in supernatural language.
SID: Tell me about this Indiana pastor’s wife. This pastor had been sitting under your teaching and just so motivated to pray in supernatural languages, and she dies. Was it in a service?
GLENN: No, she died at home. And she wasn’t feeling well during the day. She knew it was a demonic attack. She wasn’t feeling well. Well she got up and as she was heading towards the bathroom she said she felt something hit her, and when that thing hit her she fell down and collapsed. And her husband, who’s a pastor who only speaks in supernatural language, was put on the spot to teach to pray even more, saw her collapse on the floor and all the color drained out of her and gurgled her last breath.
Pastor: She’s not breathing. My wife’s not breathing.
GLENN: The faith of God rose on the inside of him and he already understood by the teaching of God’s word that he could pray supernatural language. So he began to pray and blast in supernatural language and she came back life. She was resurrected.
SID: Resurrection of the dead, I mean, if that’s not a reason to pray in supernatural language. When we come back Glenn is going to show you the secret from Scripture of why the first believers in the Messiah had such awesome power and it’s such an amazing revelation. In the English translations of the Bible, most have missed it. But in the Greek translation of this verse he’s going to show you, light bulbs are going to go on. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.