Sid:I have on the telephone a man that has one of the missing ingredients, his name is Al Houghton and I’m speaking to him at his home in Anaheim, California. Al has a new… I’ll call it a new old paradigm.You see the first church understood this but over the centuries we’ve lost what the first church had in a lot of areas. And I believe Al has touched a necessary ingredient that has been hidden for so long to Christians that will literally turn the history of the United States of America from going downhill to being the country that God created it to be. Now Al tell me a bit about yourself, how did you, and I know that God works with us as individuals and you’re a prophetic type of person. How did you even come into understanding this ancient understanding of the first church?
Al:Well Sid I started out as an ex-military type who God got a hold of and said, “I want you to go into ministry instead of being an airline pilot.” And I said, “Oh no,” so I had to give up one career and pick up another and so the faith movement for me or the what’s called the word of faith, the promises of God if you put them into your mouth confession brings possession was a natural message in my early days. And I got a hold of that and I pushed that for 7 years.Then the Lord spoke to me, I still remember where I was, when God comes upon you it’s like His thumbprint can touch you and he just turns your whole direction. And he said to me the year was 1983 in Lancaster, California.He said, “Abraham was a father of them that believe and he didn’t know any of that stuff you’re preaching.” And I thought “Oh my God he just wiped out 7 years of ministry and five hundred messages.” I went back to find out how Abraham used his faith and he didn’t use his faith just to get everything he wanted, he didn’t call for pleasure, he didn’t call for all these different things that we’re teaching and allowing people to do today in the application of their faith. He had to use his faith on his flesh to obey God and come against his very culture.It was unthinkable to leave your patriarchal father and go your own way but that’s what Abraham, God called Abraham to do. And so it was through God’s intervention that I began to look at the scripture in a whole new way, plus I discovered that Jesus was not only Savior, healer, baptizer in the Holy Spirit, deliverer, but He was also Judge. And I had taught people for seven years and never said anything about Jesus the Judge.
Sid:Alright, help me to understand something, I believe that it is Biblical and it is scriptural to meditate on God’s word day and night, to speak God’s word out loud in the Name of Jesus, especially the promises and have things change before your very eyes. That is Biblical, what is the missing ingredient from that message that you were giving previous to that word from God?
Al:The missing ingredient was in the way I was preaching it I never brought, what I would call the serving God serving others mode, and I allowed people to use their faith and all the promises for anything they wanted to satisfy their flesh verses serving God’s purpose and serving others. Now Jesus called that denying yourself and taking up the cross and follow Me; it’s simply the issue of who am I living for, am I living for me or am I living for family, am I living to serve others…
Sid: But isn’t that what Jesus said the most important commandments were to love God and to love your neighbor as yourself?
Al: Yes, He certainly did but He also had a plan for service where we lay our life down for Him and He said, “Seek ye first the kingdom then all these things will be added unto you.” I taught people how to get the “things” and they went out to get the “things” and they missed the kingdom, and they missed the servant side.
Sid:Is it possible to get the “things” and to miss the Kingdom and miss the servant side?
Al: It is very possible to do Sid.
Sid:That’s kind of scary.
Al: Well, it was scary to me.If God had not intervened sovereignly and supernaturally I would have gone a way of so many others; building this building that for me versus the issue of using my faith for God’s purposes. Any minister today in America has a choice, we can use our faith to extract from God’s people a level of living we want, or if we go the service route we can use our faith to lift them into a whole different dimension in Christ where they can change the course of history of nations and cities. And that’s the call that God has right now and it’s also in the covenant of sure mercy.
Sid: How did you find out about how this covenant of sure mercies operates; how did God lead you this way?
Al: Well, the Lord spoke to me… the impression you get in your spirit all of sudden a strong impression to do something and it hits your mind and you think “I have to do that.” Now when that happens to me I believe that’s God speaking, I had this strong impression that I had to go study covenant and it came actually in Stuttgart, Germany in 1998 with this question “When did I speak to my servant David about his son Solomon before or after he met Bathsheba?” And I thought “I don’t know.” And then the impression came go find out. Well, it was four chapters before, four chapters before the greatest failure of David’s life God gave him a covenant of sure mercy in 2nd Samuel 7:15 it’s the essence of it.It says “I will not take my mercy from you as I took it from Saul who was before you.” Now I thought “Well, how did God take His mercy from Saul?” So I went back to 1st Samuel 15 where Saul had a failure militarily he refused to execute God’s judgment on a city, on everyone and he lost his office, he lost his call, he lost the anointing of the Holy Spirit to walk in the office and fulfill the call, three things. So when David had his major failure, then those were the first three things he stands on in Psalm 51.Then the Lord said, “Now look what I did for David, I redeemed his failure and made it the platform for his ultimate success.” What he wanted to do was build God a house and this had to tweak every Pharisee in Israel because the son of David and Bathsheba a relationship that started in murder and adultery. God redeemed through the covenant of sure mercy and after David’s repentance and brought out of it the wisest man who ever lived; who built a temple of mercy that promised any time the Jewish people found themselves in captivity if they would turn towards Jerusalem and toward that temple and repent God would hear, see answer and restore them. He would remember His covenant of sure mercy.
Sid:Briefly what does that covenant of sure mercy mean to the 21st century Christian?
Al: It means two things Sid, it is the answer to the promise of Psalm 149:6, 7, 8 and 9. “Let the high praise of God be in their mouth and a two edged sword in their hand.”A two edged sword. Edge number one is two cut away all shame, and guilt when repentance or when failure comes and people turn and they acknowledge their sin then God promises if we repent that he will cut away all the sham, he will cut away all the guilt and through forgiveness He will bring us into justification, righteousness of redemption. Actually he did for David because he said “He made him a witness to the people,”He will make that sin become a platform for our future ministry and calling and fulfilling our impact in the earth.
Sid:Now what is the 2nd thing?
Al: The second edge of the sword and that’s the edge that has been lost to the New Testament Church in our day. I mean they had it in the book of Acts but we don’t have it today and that is “The authority to what I would say go judicial, what I would call going Judicial.That’s when you evoke the covenant of sheer mercy you bring a person or situation into the judgment seat of Christ. For example, God kept saying to me “You know David, You don’t know David.” I said, “What do you mean I don’t know David I’ve studied David for years, what are you talking about, I don’t know David?” I went back to look at how David used his covenant of sheer mercy.
Sid:I’ll tell you what, they’re going to read your brand new book literally right off the press called “The Sure mercies of David, this will give you such confidence before God literally change the destiny of yourself, you family and your nation.
Sid: Red hot is kind of an understatement for my guest Pastor Steve Hill, he’s Senior Pastor of Heartland World Ministries Church in Dallas, Texas. Steve is best known as the man that happened to be on Father’s Day 1995 at the Brownsville Church in Pensacola, Florida. And history says close to 500,000 if not more have made professions of faith, people thousands healed and delivered and gotten their first love back for God. I know I went a number of times to those services. But Steve you bumped into a precise destiny of God for your life, for the other people on the staffs’ life, and for that churches life at that moment. But what I’m interested in is what God did with you to get you to that point. You’re a raging, abusive drug addict, totally out of control; a praying mom prays you into the Kingdom, and you met your wife pretty interesting way. You go knocking on doors; she’s unsaved and did she really slam the door in your face?
Steve: Actually Sid she slammed the door on another pastors face but you got the right story; and for two years tried to get her saved and she wanted nothing to do with God. My wife was born out of a rape and she was bitter, she was hateful, she was just in a mess. And for anyone out there that you’ve come from an abusive family I got good news for you God has a special plan for your life. And God touched her healed her set her free and now she ministers alongside her husband Steve, and we were at the revival together, we’ve ministered in Argentina, Russia, Spain.
Sid: Let me take you back to Argentina because when I think about revival in this generation, when I think about miracles, when I think about salvation I think about Argentina. We’re you there during the time that this great outpouring occurred?
Steve: Absolutely, we were once again you stumble in some of the right places and I feel like Argentina was one of those places. We first arrived in 1984 then moved there in 1986 and stayed there until 1992. So we were there during the peak of the Argentine revival. And Sid you couldn’t have enough programs to cover what we saw. I know I can already tell just by hearing you you’re very familiar with the move of God there. Signs and wonders abounding, miracles beyond; let me share just one thing.
Sid: You just preempted my question but go ahead, that’s what I wanted to find out, tell me something you saw there.
Steve: In 1984 when I first arrived there I go to a meeting and a man by the name of Carlos Annacondia is preaching this meeting and then he starts praying for the sick to be healed. And there’s four men dressed in suits and they look like they’re all professional, and they’re not on the platform but they’re behind the platform. There’s 25,000 people in this open air meeting and this was before I learned Spanish, I’ve fluent now, but I turned to my interpreter and I said, “Who are these guys because they look strange they weren’t worshipping God they were just standing there?” And so we asked them the question and said “Who are you? And they said, “We are all dentists and we have come.” I asked them “What are they doing there?” They said, “We have come to see God’s handy work.” Because one of the miracles that took place constantly in that revival was the miracle of healed teeth, God working miracles in the teeth because in that nation there was lot of dental problems and they knew they were meeting patients where their mouths had been healed by the power of God.
Sid: So all these dentists came, what did they see?
Steve: They were as I said, they were not doubters. They were all astounded and they were just coming to see once again, it’s obviously they had already been there before they wanted to see once again. Now these not Christians dentists, these were just people that could not deny the power of God and that’s one of the reasons I love miracles.
Sid: Now tell me about what type of things were healed in the mouth you said teeth, were at that time were people getting gold teeth?
Steve: The greatest miracle that I saw with my own eyes was the fillings okay, the people that had just cavities in their teeth were being filled with this supernatural metal. And you know after awhile you know somebody came up to me the other day Sid and they said, “How come you believe so much in miracles?” Well, after awhile when you’ve seen so much how can you not believe, I’ve seen too much.
Sid: But you know what when you see too much it’s a contagious disease you catch it, but what most Christians in this generation in the United States of America and Canada have seen is the opposite and that’s nothing going on even in churches that preach a lot about it. And so their unbelief has been contagious to them. How can they make the switch?
Steve: By listening to your program.
Sid: Well, I know that but I want them to read your book. You’ve got to have so many keys from all that you’ve observed in walking in the miraculous.
Steve: Listen Sid, get the book they need to order the book from your ministry “Operating in the Miraculous.” Let me just share one thing here with you I talk about and with your listeners why God performs miracles. The six keys just, I mean if you got this book and cut out page 61 to 95 where you get just the six keys to operating in the miraculous about the authority of the believer, anticipating the miracle, these are all “A” words. The atmosphere, listen to this Sid how to articulate a miracle prayer, what to say because some people stumble all over the place and by the time they’re finished talking they never ever act it out as if there was going to be a miracle taking place.
Sid: Okay, tell me some other miracles that you saw in Argentina because I mean I heard stories that the presence of God was so strong that unsaved people would hear about what was going on on the radio, jump in taxis and go to a church to get saved. Now to me that’s normal. When are we going to normal in the United States in North America?
Steve: Well, you know that’s a good question because you know Argentina it’s a… you know Argentina they would say they are not a third world country, Argentines are very European and so we spent a lot of time in Buenos Aires which is a city of 10 million people. And it’s the Paris of South America and why is it America that in the Paris of South America God moves constantly mighty powerful sweeping Spirit of God. People get out of wheelchairs; these are things that I saw on a normal day people walking that wouldn’t walk. When I first arrived there you start praying for people and you know you’re praying these North American prayers you know “Jesus heal them in the Name of Jesus.” And in North America so many people have so much doubt and then I touch this one woman and I say “Lord touch her in Jesus name heal her,” and then I moved on to the next. And then she starts screaming, she starts screaming “Jovel, jovel, I can see, I can see,”and then her daughter said, “My mom, this is my mom she just opened her eyes, she was blind.”
Sid: We have in America a cerebral gospel and praise God for it because a lot of people do get saved but what would happen, that was never God’s plan A. What would happen if we had a plan A gospel a demonstration of God’s Kingdom rather than a history lesson?
Steve: Well, that’s where I live Steve and I think that’s where your audience really wants to live is in the “These signs shall follow them.” And you know Paul said to the church of Corinth you know that was one messed up church. And he said to them “I don’t come to you with eloquence of speech, I don’t come to you with this great oratorical ability; yeah I’m a good speaker but I come to you with a demonstration of power and that’s why so many people are drawn to revival services, miracles. Here in Dallas, Fort Worth people come from all over because there are miracles; people are not only saved but their healed they’re healed there are signs and wonders.
Sid: Now listen you don’t have a secret sensitive church you have a God sensitive church. But some would say the only churches that can boom today are the seeker sensitive. How many did you start with how many years ago and how many do you have now?
Steve: We’re a baby church, we’re just in diapers we started three and a half years ago with forty people we have 2,000 now and you know, and no telling where this thing is going to go. But we preach the blood, we preach cross; we preach that you got to get saved. You know a lot of pastors and I know we’re not going to spend much time on this but I got to say it you know a lot of pastors are afraid to speak strongly in their churches because they feel like they are going to offend people.
Sid: Not only that, what I see Steve is a lot of Pentecostal Charismatic Churches today even though they don’t say they’re seeker sensitive they down play speaking in tongues and literally a lot of supernatural phenomena to the point where there isn’t a whole lot of difference between Spirit filled and evangelical today.
Steve: Well, you’ve got your finger on the pulse Sid and that’s exactly what’s going on and I would encourage any Charismatic Pastors that are listening, Pentecostal pastors you know let me ask you a question sir, mam “When was the last time there was a message in tongues?” Do you allow your people to speak in tongues in church, do you pastor speak in tongues in church? The answer to that all three of those is yes for my church. Do we run around babbling all day long in tongues? No, but people during times of worship, there’s times I get up on the platform and I’ll speak in tongues, my worship ministers speaking in tongues and we have Baptist, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, we got all kinds of folks in the church. If they’re going to get offended let them get offended, this is God.
Sid: Listen all you need to do is demonstrations with people of all kinds of diseases like hepatitis where there is no known cure instantly healed under the power of God and it doesn’t matter what you do or say, people are going to flock.
Steve: Now Sid, you’re meddling with my life because I’ve been healed of hepatitis.
Sid: I know that, we’ll talk about it on tomorrows broadcast.
Sid: I’ve got Gary Wood on the telephone and Gary has been to Heaven. He wrote a book called “A Place Called Heaven” and some of the things that you observed Gary are so phenomenal. I have read your book your book, I have heard your testimony but I cannot read your book enough I cannot hear your testimony enough and you told me something I wasn’t even aware of that Jesus said to you that everyone that reads your book would be healed, delivered, set free; what about the people that read it that aren’t healed or delivered?
Gary: Well, I believe they’ll have the choice and the opportunity to be that because that’s what the Lord promised me and that’s what we’re hearing the reports that are coming back to us of people that have impossible situations suddenly become possible.
Sid: Tell me about my favorite room in Heaven, the parts room.
Gary: You this is a…
Sid: Maybe that could be my mansion, I wouldn’t mind having that as my mansion but to ahead. (Laughing)
Gary: Yes, it’s one of my favorite parts of the whole experience, after I came out of the throne room of God and about 500 yards from the throne room of God is this spare parts room with a sign on the outside of the door that says, “Unclaimed Blessings.” And I remember walking up there and walking in and there were legs hanging on the wall, there were every part of ones anatomy there in that room. And people always say to me “Well, why would there need to be a room like that? Because God has a spare parts room, God has a miracle room, Sid let me tell you an incredible story that just happened that opened the door for me to go to the Philippines to preach a city wide crusade. There was man named “Abdul a Moslem man who was dying of incurable cancer of the stomach, he cried out with all of his heart for Allah to save him nothing happened. So he cried out with much intensity “Devil, if you’ll save me and heal me I’ll serve you all the days of my life,” nothing happened. And so he went he went to sleep and he had like a vision and Jesus appeared to him, he knew it was Jesus and Jesus revealed Himself to him and Jesus said to him, “I want to take you and show you something,” And he took him and took him to a spare part room in heaven and showed him and said “Now this was available for you if you would have just trusted and received me.” He woke up in the hospital screaming to the top of his lungs in a Moslem hospital, “Jesus I received you, I receive you Jesus, I receive you.” Well, they restrained him, but he became an evangelist and I’ve had the opportunity to meet him and that’s what opened the door for me to go to the Philippines. Now here’s a man clear across the world who verifies he doesn’t speak English, I don’t speak his native tongue and he verifies and saw the exact same thing I saw when I was there in heaven, the spare part room and it’s available…
Sid: What did you see with your eyes in the spare parts room?
Gary: I saw every part, I saw hands, I saw arms, I saw legs, I saw every part, every organ or your body and it’s available now. And I watched as people on earth would pray and the prayers would go up, the angels would receive the prayers, they would go to the spare part room and get that specific miracle whatever it was. New part for the ears, a new part for the spinal column, a new kidney, whatever it was and then they would go but many times those angels would have to fight the principalities and powers. And you remember the story people that read the Bible know the story about Daniel and he had to wait twenty-one days but the moment Daniel prayed that angel left heaven and was on it’s way but it got hindered and so there’s things in the spirit realm that will hinder our prayers but you got to keep on standing, keep of confessing and believing. And Sid I saw the angels come and start to give a miracle to people and here’s what I heard people say “Well, it just must not be for today, it must not be that God wants to heal me.”
Sid: And you know most people that believe in healing believe God heals but when it comes to themselves that’s what the mantra is inside of their mind going over and over again, “I know God heals but for some reason He doesn’t heal me,” what would you say to them?
Gary: Well, I would say actually what Jesus said to me in heaven He said, “Gary tell My people don’t even begin to accept or buy into the condemnation of the devil that they are unworthy he said tell them that they are worthy because I’ve redeemed them by the blood of the Lamb.” And God wants to give you a miracle; He’s in the miracle working business.” I can tell you a story a true story of where I was asked to go pray for a lady in Dallas, Texas. I walked into the hospital room; she was sitting on the edge of the bed completely bald, no hair. The Bible says the crowning glory of the woman is her hair, this woman had no hair. I had been asked to go to pray for her because she had cancer, well I start to pray for her and she’s waving a wig in the air laughing hysterically and she’s just laughing and she goes “Ha, ha, ha you dumb stupid devil, I’ll live and not die and decree and declare the works of the Lord.” Sid I thought I was on the physic ware, I thought I had just gotten in the wrong room.
Gary: So I walked out to check to be sure and I came back in and that lady taught me the most valuable lesson I have learned in forty-one years of public ministry. She looked at me and I told her I had been asked to pray for her and she said, “Son I don’t know who you are, I don’t know what you believe and I don’t know what you stand for.” And she said, “I don’t just allow anyone to pray for me, so you got to be careful who you let pray for you.” And I said, “Well, I died and I went to Heaven, I saw Jesus and He sent me back to make Him real to people in your condition.” She said, “You qualify,” so I prayed for her and I left the room with her laughter ringing in my ears.” Now just before I walked out of her room suddenly I was aware that there was another woman in the room I turned and looked at her and I said, “Maim I said, “I’m sorry I didn’t notice you here is there anything that I could help you with?” She said, “Yes,” she said, “Preacher the doctor just walked in and said, “My sister has less than 72 hours to live and whatever it is that’s causing her to laugh like she is I want some of it.” So I led her to Jesus, I walked out of the room, I came back a year later, this lady comes to my meeting, runs up and hugs me, and she said, “Don’t you remember me?” She has thick beautiful black hair.” I said, “Well, pardon me no maim, I said, “Where did we meet?” And she starts laughing Sid, (Ha-ha-ha). And I said, “Yeah, yeah, I remember, I remember” and she had literally laughed and doctors have even verified that healing hormones are released in your body. But I saw the spare parts and she grabbed a hold in faith even in the clutches of death and received her miracle.
Sid: Now I’m told that when people go to heaven someone they knew that made it to heaven greets them, who greeted you?
Gary: My best friend John that had died in horrible accident in high school that literally took his head off his body and we exchanged greetings and I knew him and which answers in my mind “Will we know one another in heaven?” And the scripture verifies it in Matthew 8:11 “Sitting down with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob” it says so I knew my friend and we’ll know our loved ones. You know there’s someone assigned to you when you cross over to the other side, to this place called heaven.
Sid: You were in this auto accident and you had all the damaged done to your body; when you came back you had a crushed larynx and that that’s really a intrigues me and you were told you would never speak and of course your passion was singing and you would never sing again. What happened to that crushed larynx?
Gary: Jesus walked into the hospital room and He literally came in while there was a song playing that said, “He Touched me” on the radio and I was listening to that song and Jesus just walked into my hospital room put his hand on my throat and I looked down at the those beautiful eyes and of His and He smiled at me and He walked out. And a little nurse walked in immediately afterwards to serve me a meal and I through my hands up and said, “Praise God I’ve been healed!” And I’ve been talking ever since.”
Sid: But they x-rayed you and they found your larynx is still crushed so how can you be speaking?
Gary: It’s a miracle, it’s a miracle, it’s the only way I can and it’s been verified by medical doctors.
Sid: Listen, in your book you have all the pictures of the accident, all the things that Jesus walked in and healed him. You can’t read enough about what heaven is like, how beautiful it is and this is one of the most graphic descriptions of what goes on in heaven, but not only that there’s a promise from Jesus for healing, for deliverance, to be set free when you read this book. But there’s a bonus and that is his daughter Angel. Angel should have been institutionalized, she should have never developed into the wonderful woman of God that she has. But because he understood from his visitation to heaven of how to pray Angel actually ministers with him and when you read Angel’s book which is called “Angel and Walking Miracle” you will have faith for the impossible.
Sid: Yeshua is getting ready to visit planet earth with the most awesome outpouring of God’s Spirit in history. And I have a concern and maybe you’ll understand my concern if I tell you this story. My wife was raised Southern Baptist; when she got to college she had atheist professors, she was totally unprepared for that onslaught; the church did not prepare her; her parents did not prepare her and left her at the mercy of her teachers who had a goal of making her an atheist. Well she had enough of a background to say “I won’t become an atheist, I’ll be come an agnostic just in case there’s a God.” And I met my wife, she converted to Orthodox Judaism because I insisted not so much that she wanted to be an Orthodox Jew, I insisted. So you might say she was a Southern Baptist, Agnostic, Orthodox Jew that did not know God. And then I had an encounter with Jesus and we started studying things from a Hebraic viewpoint of “Why is Jesus the Messiah?” She had never had any teaching like this, what are the prophecies proving Jesus is the Messiah; what are the prophecies about Israel? She came to the point where she literally said to herself, “The evidence is so overwhelming, I must believe in God, I must believe that Jesus is my Messiah, I must make Him my Lord.” Well, I wish every high school student and every college student in the world would get a hold of Jim Nienhuis’ book “Old Earth, Why Not?” Because the truth of the matter is I’ve been wrestling with how old is the earth; I read what the Bible says, I read what scientists say, and then I can come up with the only conclusion I can come up with is maybe a day wasn’t 24 hours back then. I don’t understand it I accept what God says, but I really can’t prove it to anyone else. Then my friend James Nienhuis came with this book and it answers questions that I never could answer. I accepted it by faith, but you know what, I believe that the devil is coming with such an onslaught to take away and rob our young people of their faith; especially within the educational system that God has raised up such a man and such a book. And Jim there is so many fabulous themes in your book that many Christians have thought about but truthfully they don’t have the answers. For instance you deal with in your book about Moses wrote a number of the books of Genesis; but these facts occurred before he lived how could he have done this?
James: Yeah, well I think he just received a compilation of cuneiform tablets you know the clay tablets that we learned the Babylonians used to write in you know they’d add to their letters in to the wet clay and it would dry. Well the Hebrew word for to write Sid is you know you read the book, is to cut in. “So, cut into a piece of paper?” “No, cut into a clay cuneiform tablet” and the Middle Eastern custom at 2000 BC was at the bottom the writer or the owner of the table would have his name signed off at the bottom of it. And when these cuneiform tablets were signed off by the Patriarchs mentioned in the Bible before and after the deluge they signed it off these are the generations of; for instance Noah. Now Sid what is generations mean in the Bible? It doesn’t mean progeny after Noah it means origins, it means these are the origins of Noah, so Noah eye witnessed account reported all that he had seen in his life recorded it on a clay cuneiform tablet, signed off on it at the bottom, “These are the generations of” the word Hebrew word for generations is toladah, which means origins not offspring, is a progeny you know his Grandsons and great grandsons. Talking about his ancestors, so apparently all this history was written down by eyewitnesses signed off at the bottom by the eyewitnesses and Moses had those stacks of those cuneiform tablets and simply edited it and redacted them; according to the Holy Spirit.
Sid: Jim, how did you get so interested in verifying the Bible and coming up with this book “Old Earth Why Not?”
James: Well, I became a Christian; age twenty-six, after graduating from Dartmouth College, Degree in Geology. Was born again, famously born-again, lightning bolt shot in my head on a hung-over morning. Started a flit from my upper left temple, went into my head just like the scales came off, hangover gone, you know the preverbal jumping around preaching for the week after like a new born Christian babe, you know that was age twenty-six. But still I had no reason to believe that what I’d learned at my little Ivy League college was not true that the earth were billions of years old. And still at about age thirty I’m fifty-three now, at age thirty I picked up Henry Boris’s book “The Genesis Flood” he founded the Institute for Creation Research.” That was in 1985 it like the scales came off of my eyes, like a secondary born-again experience you know. Finally as a geologist what I’d learned in college all the information made sense; I mean it didn’t make sense without the global flood model. After all how do you explain vast flat layers grading into each other up on the continents stacked like pancakes with billions of creatures in tune there in.
Sid: And let me ask you this question with all the research that you’ve done, with all the study of the Bible that you’ve done, are their areas in the accounts of the history of planet earth in say the book of say Genesis that you really don’t have a reasonable explanation for?
James: Well, the only, it’s kind of a slum dumb deal just a silly notion that well the naysayers will say “Where’s the garden of Eden, where’s the garden of Eden, well you know it’s under 10,000 feet of sediment (laughing) that’s about the only you know…
Sid: Well, that’s nothing so is there any area?
James: No, that’s about it to tell you the truth, and like I’ve told a …
Sid: But what about? Okay here’s the most basic question and that is we have all of these scientific methods plus a lot of understanding from history and geology and archeology that the earth is millions of years old and not 6,000 years old?
James: Well, let me – chew on this one Sid, check this one out. “Okay you know there’s erosion off the continents because of rain going into river you know sweeping the sediments off the continents over time; 27 billion tons of sediment is eroded off the continents every year.
James: Okay, okay presuming that rate into the past okay, within 80 million years the oceans should have filled the brim with sediments.
Sid: In other words there would be no oceans.
James: Right within 80 million years and yet they say rocks on the continents are up to several billion years old; some of them are on the surface. So it’s totally totally absorbed as well at that current erosion rate 27 billion tons per year presuming that rate is the past all the continents should have been leveled to sea level within fifteen million years. And yet they say “The rocks of the continents are up to billions of years old, it’s absurd.
Sid: What about something like, is there really evidence of Noah’s flood that’s described in Genesis, did it really occur?
James: Just look around you the next time you’re driving through a road cut in sedimentary rock terrain you know sedimentary meaning sandstones, shales, limestones, you know when you’re driving through a road cut in one of those areas you’ll see those bands?
James: Those are sedimentary layers and sedimentary means laid out at the bottom of a body of water. So there is a body of water up on the continents that laid all those vast layers down entombing billions of creatures; those are fossils that we see. Some of the fossils even still having bone-marrow and red corpuscles from the T-Rex’s recently discovered in Montana, as well as, I believe in North Carolina. You know organic live red corpuscles that should have degraded millions of years after they supposedly went extinct, “65 million years ago.” So it all bespeaks of global encompassing flood in entombing, how—fossils aren’t being formed today when an animal dies it might fall in the river go down rot, degrade, float, bloat, scavengers eat it bacteria eat it up within a matter of weeks there’s no sign of it. The delta should be full of animals being covered up with all the sediments eventually to rise above the ocean dry out to become fossils. Now that is what the uniform uniformitarian scheme taught at our schools is all about, and it’s totally absurd.
Sid: What I want to ask Jim is how could all these different types of animals; all these different species fit on Noah’s ark? He has an answer in his book; he has an answer to questions that have been troubling you for so long.
SID: I am so excited for you. What is going to happen is the presence of God is going to literally invade where you are right now, wherever you are. Shane, you got revelations. He went to Heaven for seven hours. He saw what’s going on in the invisible world. Now rather than finding it he’s cooperating with it. Tell me a bit about the warfare of worship that you observed.
SHANE: Well one of the things the Lord showed me in that visitation, Exodus 32, Moses is on a mountain. He comes down and meets Joshua halfway and he says, Joshua says, “There’s a sound of warfare in the camp.” In the camp the people have built a golden calf they were worshiping.
SHANE: The word “worship” means “to kiss mouth to mouth or lick” like a dog licks a master. So how can licking or kissing, or worshiping sound like warfare? And the Lord spoke to me and said, “That’s what worship sounds like in the spirit realm.” That whenever the child of God begins to worship that it is the sound of warfare in the atmosphere. I don’t care if you individually or you corporately. Of course corporately is even more powerful because you’re multiplying. It has a multiplying effect. But any time you worship it is the sound of warfare in the atmosphere. The prophet said, “He teaches my fingers to do battle and my hands to make war.” And God spoke to me and said, if people will learn the power of worship they can win most of the battles that they encounter by simply learning the power of snapping a finger, and every war can be accomplished by clapping. The reason clapping is because in Hebrew the word “clap” means to “blast as with a trumpet”. That whenever there is the clapping of hands and shouting means to shrill or to blast as with a trumpet. That whenever you combine these elements it is the sound of warfare in the atmosphere and it confuses the spirit realm, at least the wicked spirit realm. But at the same time it activates the angelic realm, and God begins to move on people’s behalf.
SID: What’s happening in this studio right now, in the invisible world?
SHANE: Right now there’s angels all over this room. There’s angels all around your studio audience. There’s angels all around us. There’s angels, all of you who are watching in your homes or wherever you’re watching from, there’s angels everywhere. And they’ve come with breakthrough in their hand. The Lord says that he’s looking for a certain type of person. According to John, Chapter 4, the Bible says, “The Father seeketh such to worship Him.” The eyes of the Lord, Sid, run two and fro on the earth looking for a worshiper, not somebody who does worship, worship as an act, but a worshipper is a state of being. It’s who we are. God is looking for a worshipper. And according to Hebrews, Chapter 2, whenever the body of Christ begins to worship, Jesus shows up. It’s in Hebrews, Chapter 2, Verse 10 and 11. It says, Jesus shows up and it tells us what he does when he shows up. He starts looking for the worshippers. And the Bible says that he starts walking around to his beloved, to the children of God and starts speaking the redemptive names of God in their ears. Even as we’re setting here right now, Jesus is walking around. Now he can be everywhere at one time he wants to be because he’s God. And he is whispering the redemptive names of God.
SID: Now most people don’t know the redemptive names of God. Tell us a few.
SHANE: Jehovah Jireh, the Lord our Provider. So there might be a single mom in the audience tonight or watching me by television, and you’re struggling financially. Whenever you begin to worship God Jesus shows up and he’ll come and whisper in your ear, “He’s Jehovah Jireh. He’s the Lord of your provision.” Or if you’re sick in your body and he’ll walk up to you and whisper in your ear, “He’s Jehovah Rapha.” And those redemptive names hold weight. They hold power. Now you might not hear them with your physical ear, but you hear them with your spiritual ear. “He that hath an ear let him hear.” He’s not talking about physical ear. He’s talking about a spirit ear, what the spirit has to say to the church. And so whenever that comes into your ear it ministers to you. It brings healing to you. This just happened in Pineville, Louisiana. I was there. A man had a kidney condition. His kidneys were literally in failure. And while I was preaching, I was preaching about this fact that Jesus walks amongst the brethren and declares the names of God. I walked up to him and I said, “Like you for example. The Lord is declaring in your ear tonight because you need it declared.” And I bent down and whispered in his ear, “Jehovah Rapha. He’s the Lord your healer.” The next night the man got up and said, “I’m going to my doctor and I’ve got to testify. Here’s what happened. My kidneys were in failure. They didn’t know what they’re going to do. The doctor,” he brought back the doctor’s report. “The doctors say my kidneys have completely reversed. They are working.” What happened was Jesus the great physician walked up to him and gave him exactly what he needed by simply whispering in his ear.
SID: Has God given you any specific names for this show?
SHANE: Absolutely. There is a lady by the name of Stephanie. She’s either in the studio audience in the overflow room in here or she’s watching by television right now. Stephanie has a chronic condition like colitis or something of that affect. It is a chronic stomach condition. And the Lord right now is whispering to you, “Jehovah Rapha,” that He’s your healer. And God is healing you, Stephanie. There’s a man in my prayer time today. The Lord told me there would be a man by the name of Jim. They call you Jimmy. Your mother used to call you J.J. And the Lord said, you’re a businessman and you’re in financial trouble. You’re fixing to lose everything that you have. And the Lord is going to come through. This is destined for you to watch this program right now. And the Lord is stepping in your situation, and you’re going to see by this time tomorrow things are going to be different for you. God is going to do a miracle for you. And I believe right now the Lord is all over this studio to minister to people in every need that they have. There is nothing impossible.
SID: I believe that as you speak, whisper, speak, however, sing the names of God, everything that God’s name stands for, everything that God stands for is going to happen. Would you do that right now?
SHANE: Amen. Hallelujah. Father, we worship you. And Lord, right now, we just agree with those names. You are Jehovah Jireh. You’re our provision. You are Jehovah Tsidkenu. You are our righteousness. You are Jehovah M‘Kaddesh. You are sanctification. You are Jehovah Shalom. You are peace. Lord, for those of us who feel like we’re all alone you are Jehovah Shammah. You’re the Lord that’s present. For those of us who’s in a battle, who’s in a struggle, who’s under attack, he is Jehovah Nissi. He’s the captain of the host. He is a God of war who brings victory to us. We magnify you in this place. We thank you, Lord, that you’ve been given a name that is above every name. And every other name has to bow itself to the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I declare to you whatever your condition it has a name. The doctor has given it a name. The lawyer has given it a name. The banker has given it a name. But let me tell you, my friend, his name is above every other name.
SID: And in the name of Yeshua, Jesus the Anointed One, you are healed!
SHANE: Amen. Amen.
Sid: You know the truth book, that’s my name for the Bible, says you do not know when your end will come. That you don’t know but you can know where you’re going; you can know where you’re going to spend eternity. And I’ve done investigative reporting over these years of people that have died from a medical viewpoint, left their body, gone to Heaven and been told their time wasn’t up and been sent back for a purpose on planet earth. And I’ve put together the 10 best testimonies on two power CD’s called “Life After Death”…Why do you need this? Because you’re going to spend eternity with God you might as well find out what you’re life will be like in eternity rather than this temporary. And the second reason is there are people that you want to spend eternity with God in Heaven. By giving these two powerful CD’s “Life After Death” you will make a major difference in their life. I want you to hear the best interviews I’ve had on these subjects.
Interviewer: Dr. Eby tell me some other things that might be in interest in what you actually have observed with your own senses in Heaven.
Dr. Eby: Well, one of the things of course it excited me tremendously was the beauty of the music; let’s call it an unlimited vibration or set of waves such as down here. It’s not based upon a mathematical equation such as all earthly music is. I said,”Who composed this music? Jesus said, so absolutely unfathomable He said, “Didn’t you read My Book, I make everything and I make it for my pleasure and for the pleasure of My family. So He said, “I’m the author, I’m the composer.” Well, that was one thing, another thing that amazed me was the beauty of an aroma in Heaven such as I had not up to that time ever smelled on earth, I smelled it twice here since; an aroma that is a perfume so absolutely Heavenly that it had to be made by God and for God and I asked Him, “What is this composition of this aroma that is just saturating everything here?” And He didn’t answer, it was later when I was back on earth that I asked Him again to tell me and He said it’s in The Book.” And I stared from Genesis to Revelation and I found the answer, it’s partly for the benefit for those that are listening, the prayers of the saints, to me this is one of the most beautiful little gifts that God’s given that we don’t generally recognize, that’s the sweet smelling savor which is in God’s nostrils is partly at least according to Revelation 5 and 8th chapter. “The prayers of the saints which He has distilled to speak into a perfect perfume just for Him to enjoy because it represents the obedience of His children.”
Sid: Is everyone’s paradise the same?
Dr. Eby: He said, “Didn’t you read in My Book that I never make two people totally alike? And He said “Therefore I gave them the desires of their hearts and the abilities and skills to do what they could would those desires. He said, “Up here I have completed them.” So everybody’s paradise appears individual, well I said, “How would I get to see anybody.” He said, “You’ve already tested out the mind that I gave you up here and its instantaneous, if you want to visit anybody or they you you just think and there you are together.
Interviewer: Let me see if I understand this, let’s suppose you are an artist, your paradise might be some of the greatest works of art the world has ever known in your valley, is that what you’re saying?
Dr. Eby: Precisely, it would be artistic nature far superior to anything that you could have even dreamed of down here; if you’re a musician obviously you’d want your pleasant place of abode to reflect music and you go right down through all the categories that she places in the human concept down here.
Sid: Thank you Dr. Eby we’ll have you back later to talk about your experience in Hell.
Dr. Eby: Instantly I felt myself just plummeted with the same speed which cannot be calibrated to the center of the earth; there I landed with a thud inside of a 4 x 4 6’ high whole inside of solid rock. The immediate impression was which would be accountable to our human senses absolute cold, absolute blackness, absolute silence. I quickly said to the mind again, Jesus explain, this is different than I learned in church. He said, “My son I want you to know that the present Hell is a holding tank for the unsaved souls pending the eventual great white throne judgment. God is not there these people that elect to go to Hell do not want him to interfere with their programs or their plans they just tell Him in one way or another “Stay out of our lives, stay out of our way.” And He said, “My Heavenly Father said that He will give the desires of the heart to all of his creatures He grants them by placing them then in a holding tank apart from Him until that day when they shall called forth from wherever they are to be judged before the great white throne.” Well, I tell you the instant I landed in this place down there it’s absolute terror, absolute horror. Of course we’re in the spirit body it cannot be frozen, it cannot be burned, it simply exists with thousand of sensations which this nervous system we own down here couldn’t convey, it’s absolutely hell, there is no other reason. I was surrounded by demons; the demons seemed to be so excited they were doing their fancy rock and roll dance in honor of my getting there and they said to me “Instantly all thousand of them, “We got you here, you’ll never get out.”
Sid: They didn’t realize that you were only there for a short time, they thought I was a real sinner. And they said “We’ve got you, you believed our deceptions while you were on earth you could have right this moment be with the Lamb of God in Heaven if you had believed Him, but we told you He didn’t exist and you just fell for it and now we got you.” The stench there was absolutely indiscernibly horrible but it’s that of dying dead flesh and of course their boss Satan is the captain of their host and he is the author of death so you would expect it to stink. Jesus called him unclean spirits, and boy they are. Well, I don’t have time to go through all of that either. But they told me no uncertain terms that they had practically won the world at that time to Satan because of the fact that people that God had created on earth were so disinterested in perusing a knowledge of Him, a worship of Him that all they had to do was to make some deceptions and most of the people follow them. Well, I wanted to get out of there and I screamed and yelled and realized that there is no communication from the present Hell to Heaven, it’s a place of isolation as Jesus said. If it hadn’t been for His mind on mine so that we could communicate it would have been more horrible even. Suddenly I’m snatched out of there, suddenly I find myself standing before this Great White Throne which St. John described in the Book of Revelation, it is up there and it was when he saw it, it’s not used yet. On it was a tremendous the throne looked to be about 3 stories high and it appropriately wide. The personage was surrounded in a mist, I said, “Quickly voice in my mind I said, “Jesus I want to look into the loving eyes of my Heavenly Father, I want to see that tremendous amount of love that would cause Him to sacrifice You as my Lamb. And Jesus immediately replied in voice, “He said, “My son didn’t you read the book, I told you in your present form you could not look upon God and live, He’s just too powerful it would just distinguish you. You’re here to be edified not to be exterminated. He said, ”He surrounded himself with this midst to protect you.” Suddenly out of the midst came a hand with a book in it. I could read write through the pages of the book to the back cover, we’d call it that where in Hebrew is written the words, “The Lambs Book of Life.” Suddenly another finger came out of the midst and started turning the pages with lightning speed, the voice on my mind said, “My son He’s looking for your name, remember I expunged it for two minutes so that you could experience what is to be a sinner and sure enough He got to the end of the book.” He closed it with a clamp of thunder and said, “Your book is not in My Family album there is only one other family that’s the family of Satan depart.” If I could just transmit to an audience at any time the horrible sensation that was mine when I hear God Almighty say to me “Depart.”
Sid: Dr. Eby when you share with us this week and perhaps maybe one on one and the individual declines the offer of eternal life, what goes on inside of you?
Dr. Eby: Well, of course I’m disappointed in my very human failure of my communicating adequately; on the other hand the Lord has told us, told me personally when I was with Him in Lazarus Tomb when I asked Him I said, “Why would anybody believe me?” Well, He said, “That isn’t the question to ask,” He said, “I’ll ask you my question, did they believe Me when I came to earth?”
Sid: Oh my goodness, God’s Spirit is moving already, the glory is filling this studio and why not I’m interviewing David Hertzog who has pioneered operating in the glory. Because when you’re operating in God’s glory everything speeds up. And just as I was doing the introduction God told me I started moving and started saying it people’s backs and new spines and pain is gone from their backs and neck areas. David Herzog you proclaimed that you were going to move in the glory now at your meetings I know people that are bald, they instantly start having hair, or instant weight losses, or gold teeth, or new teeth. I mean creative miracles of all kinds. What does God want to do now?
David: Right now God’s healing somebody with missing cartilage, God’s putting new cartilage right now, I think it’s in your knees, just get up right now and begin to jump up and down and to bend those knees. Cartilages growing right now in Jesus name, I command it to grow out of nowhere just begin to form and appear. Your right I just can sense a lot of glory, there’s people getting new teeth and gold teeth crowns and fillings right now. If your listening just lay hands on your mouth and in Jesus I just declare gold teeth, grey teeth and black teeth that were not very good turning to bright gold crowns, the entire tooth turn to gold and silver and silver crowns and fillings in Jesus mighty name. I just release angels of dentistry into your mouth right now, I just see him just pouring in liquid gold, liquid silver and it’s cementing and becoming these bright beautiful gold and silver teeth, praise God.
Sid: David anyone can say these words you’ve just said, but you sense God’s glory on those words, am I right?
David: Yes, I just want to say what I feel he’s saying, I only do what I hear or see the Father do, that’s when He did or say something it usually happened; actually it always happened.
Sid: What is the most outrageous miracle that you’ve ever seen?
David: Wow, I’ve seen a lot of crazy stuff, we were in a meeting there in Paris during a revival and a girl pretty much levitated off the ground thirteen centimeters off the ground while she was interceding for souls to be saved. At that moment thirteen people came up that were suicidal spirits to begin getting delivered instantly, and souls started coming and that was the beginning of our six month revival; that was amazing
Sid: Have you actually seen body parts materialize?
David: Yeah, we’ve seen it happen, we’ve seen, we’ve actually watched as a woman that was bald begin growing hair in front of our eyes and we have a amateur film of it which we’re trying to put together to put for a TV show, but we watched it while it was forming on top of her head, hair. We have had people had teeth grow where there was no teeth, we had it happen again last week in Dubai but also we’ve watched as we’ve looked into people’s mouths we were actually in Jerusalem just this Succoth here, and behind me were these big, big TV screens and this camera man was filming this woman’s mouth who somebody had claimed they thought they saw some gold starting to grow in her mouth. So behind me is this big white tooth on a screen that some camera man’s filming in this woman’s mouth. As I’m speaking people start screaming because behind me everybody there about 1,000 people saw the entire tooth turn from white to gold in front of everybody eyes. And even I think Steven Strang from Charisma he was there, he was right in the front row, everybody saw this, so more and more people are getting to see the creative miracles as they are happening.
Sid: In your book, which we’re making available this week “Glory Invasion” you talk about there’s specific geographical areas where there’s almost portals that open your way to the heaven or better yet open Heaven to come to earth. Explain that.
David: Yeah, there’s just places on the earth that are already open, for instance Bethel says Genesis 28 “ That he had Jacob’s ladder opened up of this open heaven happen and it’s like angels ascending and descending and he says in there this is the gate of Heaven.” A gate can be a portal or a doorway. So as I read that I realized wow, it’s still open over there, this is the gate or one of the gates, so we went over there to Bethel, we laid down on the floor, began to worship the Lord and just soaked in the Spirit and people literally were taken to Heaven, saw each other documented “You saw me,” “You said this to me,” I said “This to you.” I mean in separate testimonies compared the notes; people were literally in the Spirit, I’m taken. So in the place like that it’s much easier to have an experience. Sedona is another place, now a lot of psychics come and New Agers because they try to plug it up and go on the second heavens, but God wants us to go to Third Heaven. Jerusalem is probably the biggest portal in the world, you go to Jerusalem and when you can break into the Spirit realm it’s so, so, so open you know Jerusalem is like a local phone call to Heaven basically. It’s just something there where you feel so much closer to Heaven and to God and you can press in. So there are places that you go that seem to be more open in the Spirit realm than other places, there just geographical locations that are just they are open; open to the Spirit realm which can be either God’s or the enemies. But there is an open realm of supernatural things occurring.
Sid: David what does God want right at this moment for those that are so hungering an thirsting for the glory realm what is God want?
David: Number one He wants you to be hungry just desperate for it, not like okay, that’s nice, but desperate, “I got, I must have this touch of God’s glory, I have to have it, I’m desperate for it, I’m hungry for it, I can’t go a day without it, like that kind of desperation will pull in another realm of glory in your life so just be desperately hungry, not apathetic about it. You go to other countries I notice third world countries they are desperate for the gospel, desperate for anything that God has. In the west many times we’re a little apathetic, we’re saved, we’re Spirit filled but okay that’s nice for you and if it happens to me great. No He wants desperation in God’s people to have these high realms of God’s glory so more people can be touched and saved.
Sid: Do you believe that many dead will come to life from the resurrection glory power that believer’s will be walking in?
David: Oh, I believe they will, I mean it’s already happening, but I believe that it’s going to be happening in a massive scale.
Sid: Have you seen it in your ministry?
David: I’ve seen it on several occasions one of the most significant one was when I was in Africa and I was teaching how in the glory there is no distance. I was doing this big campaign and there was thousands of people and many miracles and many salvations, many demons coming out of people and one of the nights God told me “ I want you to announce that there’s a woman here whose come from the hospital, her daughters dying, she’s hoping she’ll be healed because she came but I want you to announce that the daughter has just died. And so I got up and said, “There’s someone here your daughter just died at the hospital, you’re here hoping that she would get healed, and a woman began to weep and wail and we found out that yes, this person did die at the hospital, they have actually have cell phones, they have cell phones in Africa I found out. So in the meeting the Lord told me to now command her to come back from the dead, so we pointed in the direction of the hospital and commanded her to spirit to come back in her body. When that woman went back to the doctor the doctor said “We told you not to leave, she died while you left and we covered her with a sheet and at this exact time which was the moment we began to pray for her she came back from the dead and began moving and breathing and so we pulled the sheet off and realized that she was no longer dead. You don’t always have to in the glory there is no distance like the Roman Centurion told Jesus “You Just speak it and my servant who is not here will be healed.” So that’s the advantage of the glory is you don’t have to be at the exact spot even for resurrection.
Sid: David, the glory is dramatically increasing what is God showing you?
David: Right now there’s two things, there’s miracles and there’s also glory impartation, and impartation of the revelation of the knowledge of His glory. I just declare that over people right now listening, that the heavy, heavy Khavod weight, presence of God’s glory will invade homes right now, where ever you are on the internet, around the world, at the presence of God and as that glory comes there’s miracles happening. There’s impartation over ministers, and I see weight loss happening right now, people right now that are believing for weight loss I command weight pounds and kilos go in Yeshua’s mighty name. And if that’s for you I want you to get up and just run around your room by faith right now just get up and do something, just run in circles right now by faith, just run around your room right now in circles and start checking your waistline, many of you are going to start noticing inches leaving and pounds…
Sid: How in the world can I interview and go running around David, your making it difficult for me. [Laughing]
David: You’re pretty skinny Sid so you don’t have to do it.
Sid: [Laughing] Oh no, I’d like to be running around right now. David we’re making your book available it’s…why did you write this book?
David: Why God has been getting on me for years to write this book about this level of the glory, and so I just wrote it out of obedience, God said, “Write the revelation down so that people can run with it and so that they can operate in what you are operating in.” So basically get the book so that you can have the secrets and revelation to live and operate in the realm that we’re understanding.
Sid: So, between you and me so why are you letting everyone understand what the Holy Spirit is showing you because you could just be the superstar?
David: Okay, between you and me, and so don’t tell anyone then right.
David: Just between you and me, basically God’s in a hurry He’s coming back soon, the more people that get this glory and revelation the more souls will be saved and the more miracles. It’s basically about expanding the kingdom of God not expanding my personal kingdom, that’s the difference. A lot of minister don’t let their secrets out of what’s causing the things in their ministry to be blessed, because they want to be the only one. I’m trying to work myself out a job. [Laughing]
Sid: Well, that’s our job listen if you’re the only one you’re the target for the devil but if a million people are walking with the superstar in them the devil will go mischugah, crazy. I want you to drive the devil mischugah…
Sid: Get ready there’s a great Jewish wedding that’s coming up. My guest Jim Goll knows a lot about that great Jewish wedding that’s coming up. He’s a New Covenant Prophet; he is an Old Covenant Seer all in one package. And Jim and his wife have been especially prepared; they’ve had so many visitations from angels and they’ve done studies in the Bible on angels so that we can cooperate with the angels; accomplish our destiny because these angels are sent to those that are heirs of salvation. That’s us, to help us especially at these set times that we’re living in give us direction, give us protection, and most Christians don’t have a clue as to what’s going on. Jim your wife had a visitation how many nights in a row of angels?
James: Oh my goodness Sid it actually lasted over an entire nine week period of time, it was sort of like a mini gestation period.
Sid: Which gave her insight and gave you insight into this realm; that there’s a section in your book that I find very intriguing, and you had an angel of visitation in which this angel said to you I’ve come to release a message on the wedding of the church and Israel. Tell me about that.
James: I’ll tell you that was an amazing time; you know I had studied this subject you know of Israel and the church and the last days for years. But I personally had never yet been released to speak on the subject yet you know sort of like a pot is simmering you know on a stove and sometimes you have an immediate release and other times it’s just like it’s a slow cook. Well, that’s the way this was for me and we were doing a prayer retreat gathering in the state of Georgia and that night an angel came and was actually dressed in a wedding garment of all things and again emanating in the manifested presence. And this angel appeared in the room looks right at me and says “I have come to release the message concerning the wedding of the church in Israel.” And that was like a green light was given to me to then begin to speak on the subject. I remember that night when I gave this message I shared things I had not studied, I shared things that was in a realm of the depth of the heart of God that I really didn’t know; I mean in the natural, but it was by the Spirit of revelation. I believe I had angelic help I tell you that in this day in which we live angels are on the release and part of their task is they are releasing living understanding to us. One of the areas that their releasing is revelation or the Spirit of living understanding out of Isaiah chapter 11:1-3 is about God’s purposes between He church and Israel. You see God, the Holy Spirit, through Yeshua Jesus really is waking us up. And I tell you many of us have been asleep, have been dormant or we’ve just not been aware but the Lord is releasing angels to arouse us. And there is a message being birthed in this hour of a bridal wedding that is coming; the Lord the Holy Spirit is preparing the bride without spot or wrinkle, or any such thing. And He’s awakening Israel to her place; to her function; to her fuller greater destiny. And so since I actually had that encounter you know that today, or let’s use the word Messianic movement, I mean when I had that encounter there was maybe twenty different maybe ministries or Messianic type congregations in Israel, and today there is around a hundred. I tell you there is a wedding coming between the church and Israel.
Sid: Now when you say a wedding; what do you really mean by that?
James: You know sometimes we do speak in parabolic or prophetic language; Jesus did it and then He would take His disciples aside and He would give them plain language. Well, what is the wedding? A wedding is where there’s more than one party and they’re opposites and opposites attract. In the end time, these last days in which we live, there is a joining, a covenantal. What’s a wedding? A marriage, it’s a covenant being brought together and these two covenants the Old and the New are being brought together through the hinge of Yeshua Jesus; let’s keep everything clear. This is about the centrality of the man Christ Jesus, and there is a wedding a merger; a covenant relationship that is coming and an awakening between a bride and a groom; between two different parties are being brought together to bring forth great fruit in the earth.
Sid: You know there are so many things to talk about, but you really need his book to understand this in-depth; he does it from a biblical viewpoint, and experiential viewpoint, and a discernment viewpoint to know the counterfeit from the authentic. But you talked about one gathering in which you noticed glowing crosses on the foreheads of people. Tell me about that.
James: Yeah, that’s amazing we have had several; I remember I was at a gathering with Mahesh Chavda and I’m sure Sid that you know Mahesh.
Sid: I’ve interviewed him a number of times.
James: Yes and he has incredible amazing God encounters, he and his dear wife Bonnie. In fact my wife and I were healed of barrenness through the ministry of Jesus through Mahesh Chavda years ago. But Mahesh was ministering that night and at the close of the gathering there ended up being, like in the book of Ezekiel where it talks about that the Holy Spirit will mark on the forehead. Now this is a God mark not a demon mark of 666. God has a mark like in the book in Ezekiel where He will mark people who sigh and groan over their cities for the purposes of God to be birthed. And there was a supernatural marking of a supernatural glowing of the cross and let me tell you the cross is the center of everything. And God wants our mind to dwell on these things and he wants us to dwell upon the completed work of the cross of Jesus Christ.
Sid: So we kind of dwell on the fact of this mark on the forehead, or you know of 666 of the demonic, but I believe God marks his children too.
James: Yeah and again angels are used as protection and sort of like in the Old Testament where there was the Passover and the blood was put on the door.
James: The death angel passed over; let me tell you God has supernatural signs that He wants to mark His believers with that gives you protection; gives you protection. And so yeah, God’s got signs and wonders and the supernatural dimension. I just tell you let the cross be the center of everything.
Sid: You know I’m amazed that when I interview people that have been supernaturally spared from auto accidents and things like that of the angelic activity. I happen to believe that every true believer if they had eyes to see has probably had their life spared many times that they didn’t even realize it was going on.
James: Oh I totally believe that too and in one of my chapters on “Angelic Assignments” I go through these different assignments that angels are given. They’re given to give us direction, and deliver God’s messages. They are used also in scripture and today to release dreams, visions and understanding. And angels are used to give guidance, impart strength and one of the things you’re talking about right now Sid is angelic protection and for sure whether it’s called like we call it guardian angels that they’re given to watch over us. Or how about Psalm 91 “For He will give His angels charge concerning you to guard you in all your ways.” And so I just say “Let the angels be released into your life; angels of protection to build a hedge of protection around you.”
Sid: Hey if ever we needed a hedge of protection I mean I don’t even need a prophet to tell me what’s going on in reference of this country in terrorism and what’s going to happen here. I mean you can just read Intelligence Reports and know about all of these missing suitcase bombs and other types of atomic bombs. When the former Soviet Union made peace with America what they did is they just took all of these weapons that they said that they were going to destroy and they sold it to some of these Arab nations and they’ve come across our border. If we can’t rely on supernatural protection we’re all in trouble!
James: Yes and the days in which we live it’s only going to escalate the fight of dark and light; the fight of kingdom of darkness and the Kingdom of His dear Son. And in the past I’ve actually called forth a Holy Spirit border protection around this nation. And I just say to you it is important to possession to call forth angels on assignment, whether it’s on our Canadian border or whether it’s at…let me tell you one of the main places is our seaports. We must speak, we must pray, we must prophecy, speak forth angels, guardian angels, gatekeeper angels, at our ports of this nation because that’s one of the most vulnerable places for the inroads of darkness into this land. So call forth angels of protection, angels of guidance, speak forth this dimension, angels bringing deliverance, Psalm 34:7 “The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear Him and rescues them.”
Sid: And of course I look at even more in the positive sense that our seaports are going to be used for Jewish people to escape America and get to Israel some day; so these seaports are important in America.
James: Oh that is huge, that is whole another big subject about places of refuge and places of protection. And again angels are a part of God’s arsenal that is released to help create these safety zones, and these places of refuge, and the seaport exits from even this land in the future to fulfill Aliyah of the return to the land of Israel.
Sid: My guest Jim Goll. Jim has written a new book called “Angel Encounters”, and if there’s ever been a time to understand how to cooperate with angels and know what they’re doing and what they’re not doing. And understand the invisible realm and understand there are literally angels of light that are demonic that are coming across as being good, and knowing the difference between the counterfeit and the real thing. And Jim and his wife have had so many encounters themselves with angels; they’ve studied in the scriptures and they’ve put it all together in a book so that you can engage help from heaven; the title is called “Angelic Encounters.” And Jim on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about a visitation you had and I know about this visitation because I haven’t had the same visitation, but I can tell you for the last year I’ve been saying there’s something new happening in Israel. And when I began saying this I was saying it by faith, and I was saying that their spiritual scales are coming off of the eyes of Jewish people and now it’s happening by experience. I’m getting so many reports of Jewish people in Israel coming to the Lord. But you had an angel; I even love its name “Israel Awakening.” And this angel came to visit you and said, “Not only are physical Jews in Israel are being awakened to the gospel but Christians are being awakened to the plans and purposes of God in reference to Israel and the Jewish people.” Would you explain more about that visitation?
James: Absolutely Sid, and not only is it the role that the church being awaken in prayer, and humanitarian aid, and care and bringing forth of the apostolic gospel. And not only is it Israel herself in the land, being awakened and blinders coming off to be able to behold Yeshua, Jesus as the Messiah, but these Israel awakening angels are being released around the world, I believe. And there’s like a commissioning that’s happening in the end times and they’re going to minister to Jewish people who are in the diaspora, or scattered across the world still. Going to awaken them to their call, their purpose, their destiny. Some people even being awakened to the fact that they have Jewish blood and they haven’t even been aware of it; it’s been hidden. You’re going to be finding in these next months and next year’s, you’re going to be finding people who have been in denial or hiding of their Jewish roots and they’re going to be awakened suddenly as it would be.
Sid: You know what I find Jim, and I’m not going to make a doctrine out of this, but many people I meet that have developed… they’re gentile Christians and they’ve developed such a love of the Jew in Israel. As they do some probing in their genecology they find out they have physical Jewish blood.
James: That’s what I’m referring to, there’s three elements of this awakening and one is to people scattered worldwide. This heaven’s help through angelic messengers are taking blinders off of peoples’ eyes and causing them to become alert and aware of their purpose, calling and destiny. One of the thing things that was amazing about this visitation was that there was this young guy named Matt Sorger; he was the host of the conference. He had written down unknowing to me, he had written down that there was an angel that had come into the auditorium that night with me, and its name was Israel Awakening. And so at the end of the conference that last night when I’m getting up and I’m telling about the winds coming and I’m telling about this visitation Matt Sorger, and I had this all written down on paper by the way, I still have the piece of paper. Matt Sorger gets up, interrupts me and says “Wait a second, I have a confirmation to this, I have it written down right here that there was an angel that came with James Goll to the meeting tonight and its name is “Israel Awakening.” We had both of us this written down separately, and so God said, “He’ll confirm His word by the witness of two and three.” So we had a confirmation of the name of the angel and the visitation right there that very night.
Sid: Beyond that night has God shown you more about these angels, it’s more than one, “Israel Awakening” it’s a team of angels.
James: That’s the way I understand it now because I’ve had a year to ponder on this. I believe that I was visited by what I would consider by a lead or a messenger angel over a whole company. Team is a good word, almost like a tribe, but a company of angels whose job is to awaken Israel. Now but I also have seen that this deals again with hidden destinies and now in this hour destinies, again I’m using the word blinders, blinders are coming off of peoples’ eyes. In fact right now people if you are listening I just declare that “Hidden destinies are going to be revealed in your own life and there’s an awakening that’s coming; your inheritance. The Lord is going to cause for there to be an enlightenment an illumination a Holy Spirit revelation. It’s going to happen perhaps through a dream, a vision, a revelation, through inspiration through the Word of God, but I just speak forth these angels are being dispersed. And they’re even being sent your way and engaging help from heaven, you are not alone and part of their job is to awaken us into hidden destiny.”
Sid: Something I brought up earlier in the week and I don’t want it to escape; what is the difference between a seer; s-e-e-r and the New Testament prophet?
James: Actually the word seer is used in the Hebrew language. It comes from a couple of different Hebrew words. Different from the word prophet and the Hebrew word prophet, ——- or navi, or naba, or nabyet, then in the Old Testament, the word seer is khozeh or khazeh, and that basically is a different way that the prophet person, vessel received revelation. So if we bring it over to the New Testament understanding, I believe that a prophet who functions specifically in the gift of discernment of spirits is a seer prophet. And the discerning of spirits is in the plural, and so you can discern the angelic, they’re spirits. You can discern the demonic, you can discern the human heart, you can discern the Holy Spirit, He shape, His form, His moving, you can sense, feel, know the manifested presence of God. So a prophet who, in the New Testament, is a seer is someone who moves in dreams, visions, visionary revelation and specifically the gift of discerning of spirits.
Sid: Let’s talk a little bit about your book “Angelic Encounters” or “Engaging Help from Heaven.” Why would it help every believer that is alive today to read this book?
James: You know the Bible says that in the last days that in the end times it says “Difficult times will come.” Listen I’m giving you keys on how you can engage heaven’s help, how angels get released, how you can call on the Father to release heaven’s army into the earth realm. All of you who are listening out there you need help, I need help, and so I’m giving you scripture keys on how to unlock heaven’s army to come to your aid. I’m also giving you testing how you can test the spirits to see if they be of God; because in the last days again seducing spirits will come, and so there will be as Lucifer fell, Jesus saw even the devil, Lucifer fall like lightning from heaven and so there are some keys that we are given experientially, through church history and through the scripture on how to be able to discern good from bad, light from dark. And let me tell you this isn’t just for a few, a great like special elite prophets, this is for you, God wants you to grow in discernment on how you can have the keys of binding and loosing, welcoming heaven’s angels, and binding up the dark side of the force; of the demonic dimensions. And I tell you this is really practical and we’ve got all kinds of stories in here too that are today’s encounters to help inspire your faith to believe that God is alive and well on planet earth.
Sid: And you know what I love, you talk about there are two major tasks of angels. One is to give us direction.
Sid: Two is protection. Angels are involved at the beginning and the ends of our life and everything in between so why wouldn’t we want to understand it and I don’t hear too many people giving courses in understanding from a Godly perspective how angels interact with humans.
James: Well, see we got to take back this territory Sid. You know the New Age movement excuse me I don’t mean to offend anybody, but the one dimension almost understands these arenas better than the church does but it’s our territory. I mean the authentic real supernatural, the New Age is a false counterfeit, but we need to take back this territory and that’s why I write and minister so much in these areas “Angelic Encounters, Engaging Help in Heaven” will be a practical tool. I just tell you this is a practical tool to help you be able to release heaven’s army in your behalf.
Sid: Now tell me just briefly because I found this fascinating, you talked about another prophet by the name of Bill Yount that had an experience with the angelic in Israel, explain that.
James: Yes, you know God again will confirm His word by multiple voices. So while I had that encounter about “Israel Awakening” a friend on the east coast living in Maryland right about the same time he saw a small break appear in the demonic black clouds hanging over the nation of Israel. As a small break in the cloud appear simultaneously the borders of Israel lit up like flashing green light from heaven signaling we’ve got a go for launching. He said, “Immediately I saw many of these strong angels,” and I said, “It wasn’t just one, I say it’s a company being released from their duty on the boarder of Israel and being sent as in an emergency to personal deliver messages to the churches all over the world to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Sid: A topic wherever you go you hear people talking about is the increase of angelic visitations, and my friend Jim Goll has written a book, I’m not going to call Jim a prophet anymore I’m going to call him a seer. Jim is a New Covenant seer. He and his wife have had many encounters with angels but he did a biblical study of angels and unless we understand what angels are up to in our life and understand, since there’s an increase in the supernatural that means there’s an increase in the demonic supernatural, and the God supernatural. How do we know the difference? It is a necessity, a must read it’s called “Angelic Encounters.” I’ve got Jim Goll on the phone I’m speaking to him at his office in Franklin, Tennessee. Jim on yesterday’s broadcast you talk about this in your book, but there’s things you didn’t even put in your book of a visitation on December of 2006 in New York. You had winds in the natural you shared, and then winds in the supernatural pick up there.
James: Yes and so we were in Long Island and as you said, “The Winds did come, literally in the natural.” The Holy Spirit said this would happen; and again in the book of Hebrews it says “That the angels are winds of God and that they’re flames of fire and they’re sent Hebrew’s 1:14 to minister unto those that inherit salvation. So that you and me who are out there right now, but I tell you came hovered right in front of me. Then the seer capacity of the prophetic that means the visionary realm. And I was catapulted into this the atmosphere was charged with the manifested presence and an angel was hovering now right in front of me. It had a shofar, and it blew the shofar right into my face; and it was clothed in a radiant white garment; it was just emanating with the presence of God. And then there was a gold sash that came from the left shoulder down to the right waist and then there were letters that was words, that was written on this like gold sash and I could read it and it said, “Israel Awakening.” The atmosphere was just charged with expectancy and with faith and really a little difficult to explain was a dimension of the destiny of God; it was just absolutely amazing Sid.
Sid: It sounds exciting to me because you don’t know this I’m about ready to jump on a plane to go to Israel so I’m all ears about an angel that identifies itself as “Israel Awakening.”
James: Absolutely and it’s coming, it’s being released and I feel the fire of God on me right now as we’re beginning to talk about this. And it’s beginning to be released I believe in this hour to help bring an awakening to the people; specifically the Jewish people who live in Israel today. I tell you blinders are going to fall off of people’s eyes. They’re going to behold Yeshua Jesus as the Messiah. Israel will be awakened unto her place of destiny in God. There is as well is a parallel then there is an awakening that simultaneously occurs in the Body of Messiah, the church the Body of…
Sid: There is such a supernatural linkage between natural Israel and the church that it gets so deep that you can’t go as deep as it is.
James: No that’s so true. That’s what I see and I’ve pondered on this now for a year since this visitation. This angel’s being released to awaken; and that’s an important word because if you have to be awakened that means your asleep and that is what this job of this angel is, to arouse from out of sleep. It’s sort of like in Zachariah chapter four where the prophet Zachariah he is aroused by an angel or he is awakened. So something is awakened that means it has been in a stupor and that is exactly what Paul the apostle says in Roman’s chapter 11. He says that “In part there will be spirit of stupor or sleeping that would be upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has fulfilled. Well this angel “Israel Awakening” is coming to like “Wake up” Israel from out of a sleep into her destiny.”
Sid: Now is this why simultaneous and you know have to be a mental giant to see this Jim; the church is waking up from its slumber!
James: That’s it it’s duel sleep that has happened a duel slumber or a stupor, and right in this hour there is a beginning awakening in the Body of Christ to our role, our function, and our destiny in partnering with Israel in God’s end-time purposes.
Sid: Now help me out, now this is — we’re letting other people eavesdrop on our conversation.
James: That’s true.
Sid: But I’m an evangelist at heart; I want to see all people come to know the Messiah; maybe it’s because I’m Jewish, maybe it’s because of my call; whatever it is and maybe it’s because of my studies of seeing that I could reach more gentiles if I go to the Jew first if I do this. But it bothers me to see Christians doing humanitarian efforts for Israel, and if I stopped here I’d be in big trouble, it bothers me that when they’ll do this, but they will not share the gospel; I don’t see this in the New Testament and yet I saw “Well, it’s good to do humanitarian efforts, but what is ultimate good beyond going to heaven?”
James: Oh my gosh Yeshua, Jesus is in the middle of everything and He has to be; but now there is what you could consider also though a gradual or progressive awakening. And that is where you begin to wake up in stages, and we need the Body of Christ, and Israel, awakened to the fullness, but there is also a staggered awakening. So thank the Lord that the Body of Christ in portioned is being awakened in a staggered way, stages unto a place of responsibility. So humanitarian aid fulfilling the prophecies out of Isaiah “Comfort ye, comfort ye My people,” is good but it’s not all. We got to keep believing and keep praying and keep speaking truth for the fullness of awakening of where Yeshua, Jesus, is in the middle of everything, we eat, live, breathe and our purposes.
Sid: But it’s obvious that God is up to something. I have been a Jewish believer in the Messiah now well over thirty years, and I have never seen a time where so many Christian pastors are saying “I want to understand my Jewish roots, I want to understand Israel.” And it’s not a natural phenomenon I think Christian pastors must have an angel by the name of “Church Awakening.”
James: That’s right, but see I believe that part of the task of this “Israel Awakening” angel and by the way I think I saw a messenger angel that has a whole host of angels that’s under its stewardship. In other words there’s a whole company of angels whose job is to awaken the Church, the Body of Messiah to her task to Israel, and to awaken the Jewish people worldwide, and to awaken Israel herself in the land. And so I believe that there is a whole company of angels, and that I have a visitation by possibly what I consider a lead angel, or a messenger angel, who has then accompany of Israel awakening angels at its stewardship.
Sid: You know you said something that is helpful; we do things in stages.
Sid: And that is helpful to me but I know my part is to literally say “You got to tell Jewish people about Jesus, you don’t know when their end is going to come; and there is no other name unto men that we must be…I’m going for it right now with you.”
James: I totally agree and so Sid your part, part of your role is to not water it down and part of your role is to be in the face and tell the truth, the gospel of the Kingdom. There are others who have another role to do their part in the gradual stages of awakening. But you are an apostolic evangelistic at heart; you can’t help because you got fire on you so Sid just keep on doing what you do.
Sid: Well Jim, that really helps me but I’ll tell you something that’s so intriguing to every believer and it’s got to do with the invisible realm of angels. We’re making available this week your book “Angelic Encounters” and subtitled “Engaging Help from Heaven.” And you used a line that I’ve not seen before in talking about angels in your book. A description you called angels “Messengers of love.” What did you mean by that?
James: God is love and so don’t you think that those who are being sent ones, that’s what a messenger is, going to carry the very attributes of God Himself. They’re ministering servants they’re like heaven’s deacon’s sent to earth representing the Father. And oh my, they come releasing dimensions of the kingdom of God of righteousness, peace and joy. And by the way you who are listening right now, I tell you “You are not alone, help is on the way; you can engage heaven’s help just say “Help.” Just pray “Kingdom come, will be done on earth as it is in heaven,” and heaven will send, God will send in response angels on assignment to come minister to you and help you in your time of need.”
Sid: I’m reminded of the worst night of my life right before I was saved I cried out a two word prayer, “Jesus help.”
Sid: And I had such a visitation, my room was ablaze with the glory of God.
James: And that was also angelic activity, see it was ablaze; it was with the fire, the manifested presence and angels come to release the fire, the light, the love, the life of God.
Sid: The only way to understand all that God has available for you is to understand the invisible realm especially the realm of angels. Jim and his wife Michal Anne wrote a book called “Angelic Encounters“, engaging help from heaven.