Sid: My guest Jim Goll. Jim has written a new book called “Angel Encounters”, and if there’s ever been a time to understand how to cooperate with angels and know what they’re doing and what they’re not doing. And understand the invisible realm and understand there are literally angels of light that are demonic that are coming across as being good, and knowing the difference between the counterfeit and the real thing. And Jim and his wife have had so many encounters themselves with angels; they’ve studied in the scriptures and they’ve put it all together in a book so that you can engage help from heaven; the title is called “Angelic Encounters.” And Jim on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about a visitation you had and I know about this visitation because I haven’t had the same visitation, but I can tell you for the last year I’ve been saying there’s something new happening in Israel. And when I began saying this I was saying it by faith, and I was saying that their spiritual scales are coming off of the eyes of Jewish people and now it’s happening by experience. I’m getting so many reports of Jewish people in Israel coming to the Lord. But you had an angel; I even love its name “Israel Awakening.” And this angel came to visit you and said, “Not only are physical Jews in Israel are being awakened to the gospel but Christians are being awakened to the plans and purposes of God in reference to Israel and the Jewish people.” Would you explain more about that visitation?
James: Absolutely Sid, and not only is it the role that the church being awaken in prayer, and humanitarian aid, and care and bringing forth of the apostolic gospel. And not only is it Israel herself in the land, being awakened and blinders coming off to be able to behold Yeshua, Jesus as the Messiah, but these Israel awakening angels are being released around the world, I believe. And there’s like a commissioning that’s happening in the end times and they’re going to minister to Jewish people who are in the diaspora, or scattered across the world still. Going to awaken them to their call, their purpose, their destiny. Some people even being awakened to the fact that they have Jewish blood and they haven’t even been aware of it; it’s been hidden. You’re going to be finding in these next months and next year’s, you’re going to be finding people who have been in denial or hiding of their Jewish roots and they’re going to be awakened suddenly as it would be.
Sid: You know what I find Jim, and I’m not going to make a doctrine out of this, but many people I meet that have developed… they’re gentile Christians and they’ve developed such a love of the Jew in Israel. As they do some probing in their genecology they find out they have physical Jewish blood.
James: That’s what I’m referring to, there’s three elements of this awakening and one is to people scattered worldwide. This heaven’s help through angelic messengers are taking blinders off of peoples’ eyes and causing them to become alert and aware of their purpose, calling and destiny. One of the thing things that was amazing about this visitation was that there was this young guy named Matt Sorger; he was the host of the conference. He had written down unknowing to me, he had written down that there was an angel that had come into the auditorium that night with me, and its name was Israel Awakening. And so at the end of the conference that last night when I’m getting up and I’m telling about the winds coming and I’m telling about this visitation Matt Sorger, and I had this all written down on paper by the way, I still have the piece of paper. Matt Sorger gets up, interrupts me and says “Wait a second, I have a confirmation to this, I have it written down right here that there was an angel that came with James Goll to the meeting tonight and its name is “Israel Awakening.” We had both of us this written down separately, and so God said, “He’ll confirm His word by the witness of two and three.” So we had a confirmation of the name of the angel and the visitation right there that very night.
Sid: Beyond that night has God shown you more about these angels, it’s more than one, “Israel Awakening” it’s a team of angels.
James: That’s the way I understand it now because I’ve had a year to ponder on this. I believe that I was visited by what I would consider by a lead or a messenger angel over a whole company. Team is a good word, almost like a tribe, but a company of angels whose job is to awaken Israel. Now but I also have seen that this deals again with hidden destinies and now in this hour destinies, again I’m using the word blinders, blinders are coming off of peoples’ eyes. In fact right now people if you are listening I just declare that “Hidden destinies are going to be revealed in your own life and there’s an awakening that’s coming; your inheritance. The Lord is going to cause for there to be an enlightenment an illumination a Holy Spirit revelation. It’s going to happen perhaps through a dream, a vision, a revelation, through inspiration through the Word of God, but I just speak forth these angels are being dispersed. And they’re even being sent your way and engaging help from heaven, you are not alone and part of their job is to awaken us into hidden destiny.”
Sid: Something I brought up earlier in the week and I don’t want it to escape; what is the difference between a seer; s-e-e-r and the New Testament prophet?
James: Actually the word seer is used in the Hebrew language. It comes from a couple of different Hebrew words. Different from the word prophet and the Hebrew word prophet, ——- or navi, or naba, or nabyet, then in the Old Testament, the word seer is khozeh or khazeh, and that basically is a different way that the prophet person, vessel received revelation. So if we bring it over to the New Testament understanding, I believe that a prophet who functions specifically in the gift of discernment of spirits is a seer prophet. And the discerning of spirits is in the plural, and so you can discern the angelic, they’re spirits. You can discern the demonic, you can discern the human heart, you can discern the Holy Spirit, He shape, His form, His moving, you can sense, feel, know the manifested presence of God. So a prophet who, in the New Testament, is a seer is someone who moves in dreams, visions, visionary revelation and specifically the gift of discerning of spirits.
Sid: Let’s talk a little bit about your book “Angelic Encounters” or “Engaging Help from Heaven.” Why would it help every believer that is alive today to read this book?
James: You know the Bible says that in the last days that in the end times it says “Difficult times will come.” Listen I’m giving you keys on how you can engage heaven’s help, how angels get released, how you can call on the Father to release heaven’s army into the earth realm. All of you who are listening out there you need help, I need help, and so I’m giving you scripture keys on how to unlock heaven’s army to come to your aid. I’m also giving you testing how you can test the spirits to see if they be of God; because in the last days again seducing spirits will come, and so there will be as Lucifer fell, Jesus saw even the devil, Lucifer fall like lightning from heaven and so there are some keys that we are given experientially, through church history and through the scripture on how to be able to discern good from bad, light from dark. And let me tell you this isn’t just for a few, a great like special elite prophets, this is for you, God wants you to grow in discernment on how you can have the keys of binding and loosing, welcoming heaven’s angels, and binding up the dark side of the force; of the demonic dimensions. And I tell you this is really practical and we’ve got all kinds of stories in here too that are today’s encounters to help inspire your faith to believe that God is alive and well on planet earth.
Sid: And you know what I love, you talk about there are two major tasks of angels. One is to give us direction.
Sid: Two is protection. Angels are involved at the beginning and the ends of our life and everything in between so why wouldn’t we want to understand it and I don’t hear too many people giving courses in understanding from a Godly perspective how angels interact with humans.
James: Well, see we got to take back this territory Sid. You know the New Age movement excuse me I don’t mean to offend anybody, but the one dimension almost understands these arenas better than the church does but it’s our territory. I mean the authentic real supernatural, the New Age is a false counterfeit, but we need to take back this territory and that’s why I write and minister so much in these areas “Angelic Encounters, Engaging Help in Heaven” will be a practical tool. I just tell you this is a practical tool to help you be able to release heaven’s army in your behalf.
Sid: Now tell me just briefly because I found this fascinating, you talked about another prophet by the name of Bill Yount that had an experience with the angelic in Israel, explain that.
James: Yes, you know God again will confirm His word by multiple voices. So while I had that encounter about “Israel Awakening” a friend on the east coast living in Maryland right about the same time he saw a small break appear in the demonic black clouds hanging over the nation of Israel. As a small break in the cloud appear simultaneously the borders of Israel lit up like flashing green light from heaven signaling we’ve got a go for launching. He said, “Immediately I saw many of these strong angels,” and I said, “It wasn’t just one, I say it’s a company being released from their duty on the boarder of Israel and being sent as in an emergency to personal deliver messages to the churches all over the world to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Sid: A topic wherever you go you hear people talking about is the increase of angelic visitations, and my friend Jim Goll has written a book, I’m not going to call Jim a prophet anymore I’m going to call him a seer. Jim is a New Covenant seer. He and his wife have had many encounters with angels but he did a biblical study of angels and unless we understand what angels are up to in our life and understand, since there’s an increase in the supernatural that means there’s an increase in the demonic supernatural, and the God supernatural. How do we know the difference? It is a necessity, a must read it’s called “Angelic Encounters.” I’ve got Jim Goll on the phone I’m speaking to him at his office in Franklin, Tennessee. Jim on yesterday’s broadcast you talk about this in your book, but there’s things you didn’t even put in your book of a visitation on December of 2006 in New York. You had winds in the natural you shared, and then winds in the supernatural pick up there.
James: Yes and so we were in Long Island and as you said, “The Winds did come, literally in the natural.” The Holy Spirit said this would happen; and again in the book of Hebrews it says “That the angels are winds of God and that they’re flames of fire and they’re sent Hebrew’s 1:14 to minister unto those that inherit salvation. So that you and me who are out there right now, but I tell you came hovered right in front of me. Then the seer capacity of the prophetic that means the visionary realm. And I was catapulted into this the atmosphere was charged with the manifested presence and an angel was hovering now right in front of me. It had a shofar, and it blew the shofar right into my face; and it was clothed in a radiant white garment; it was just emanating with the presence of God. And then there was a gold sash that came from the left shoulder down to the right waist and then there were letters that was words, that was written on this like gold sash and I could read it and it said, “Israel Awakening.” The atmosphere was just charged with expectancy and with faith and really a little difficult to explain was a dimension of the destiny of God; it was just absolutely amazing Sid.
Sid: It sounds exciting to me because you don’t know this I’m about ready to jump on a plane to go to Israel so I’m all ears about an angel that identifies itself as “Israel Awakening.”
James: Absolutely and it’s coming, it’s being released and I feel the fire of God on me right now as we’re beginning to talk about this. And it’s beginning to be released I believe in this hour to help bring an awakening to the people; specifically the Jewish people who live in Israel today. I tell you blinders are going to fall off of people’s eyes. They’re going to behold Yeshua Jesus as the Messiah. Israel will be awakened unto her place of destiny in God. There is as well is a parallel then there is an awakening that simultaneously occurs in the Body of Messiah, the church the Body of…
Sid: There is such a supernatural linkage between natural Israel and the church that it gets so deep that you can’t go as deep as it is.
James: No that’s so true. That’s what I see and I’ve pondered on this now for a year since this visitation. This angel’s being released to awaken; and that’s an important word because if you have to be awakened that means your asleep and that is what this job of this angel is, to arouse from out of sleep. It’s sort of like in Zachariah chapter four where the prophet Zachariah he is aroused by an angel or he is awakened. So something is awakened that means it has been in a stupor and that is exactly what Paul the apostle says in Roman’s chapter 11. He says that “In part there will be spirit of stupor or sleeping that would be upon Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has fulfilled. Well this angel “Israel Awakening” is coming to like “Wake up” Israel from out of a sleep into her destiny.”
Sid: Now is this why simultaneous and you know have to be a mental giant to see this Jim; the church is waking up from its slumber!
James: That’s it it’s duel sleep that has happened a duel slumber or a stupor, and right in this hour there is a beginning awakening in the Body of Christ to our role, our function, and our destiny in partnering with Israel in God’s end-time purposes.
Sid: Now help me out, now this is — we’re letting other people eavesdrop on our conversation.
James: That’s true.
Sid: But I’m an evangelist at heart; I want to see all people come to know the Messiah; maybe it’s because I’m Jewish, maybe it’s because of my call; whatever it is and maybe it’s because of my studies of seeing that I could reach more gentiles if I go to the Jew first if I do this. But it bothers me to see Christians doing humanitarian efforts for Israel, and if I stopped here I’d be in big trouble, it bothers me that when they’ll do this, but they will not share the gospel; I don’t see this in the New Testament and yet I saw “Well, it’s good to do humanitarian efforts, but what is ultimate good beyond going to heaven?”
James: Oh my gosh Yeshua, Jesus is in the middle of everything and He has to be; but now there is what you could consider also though a gradual or progressive awakening. And that is where you begin to wake up in stages, and we need the Body of Christ, and Israel, awakened to the fullness, but there is also a staggered awakening. So thank the Lord that the Body of Christ in portioned is being awakened in a staggered way, stages unto a place of responsibility. So humanitarian aid fulfilling the prophecies out of Isaiah “Comfort ye, comfort ye My people,” is good but it’s not all. We got to keep believing and keep praying and keep speaking truth for the fullness of awakening of where Yeshua, Jesus, is in the middle of everything, we eat, live, breathe and our purposes.
Sid: But it’s obvious that God is up to something. I have been a Jewish believer in the Messiah now well over thirty years, and I have never seen a time where so many Christian pastors are saying “I want to understand my Jewish roots, I want to understand Israel.” And it’s not a natural phenomenon I think Christian pastors must have an angel by the name of “Church Awakening.”
James: That’s right, but see I believe that part of the task of this “Israel Awakening” angel and by the way I think I saw a messenger angel that has a whole host of angels that’s under its stewardship. In other words there’s a whole company of angels whose job is to awaken the Church, the Body of Messiah to her task to Israel, and to awaken the Jewish people worldwide, and to awaken Israel herself in the land. And so I believe that there is a whole company of angels, and that I have a visitation by possibly what I consider a lead angel, or a messenger angel, who has then accompany of Israel awakening angels at its stewardship.
Sid: You know you said something that is helpful; we do things in stages.
Sid: And that is helpful to me but I know my part is to literally say “You got to tell Jewish people about Jesus, you don’t know when their end is going to come; and there is no other name unto men that we must be…I’m going for it right now with you.”
James: I totally agree and so Sid your part, part of your role is to not water it down and part of your role is to be in the face and tell the truth, the gospel of the Kingdom. There are others who have another role to do their part in the gradual stages of awakening. But you are an apostolic evangelistic at heart; you can’t help because you got fire on you so Sid just keep on doing what you do.
Sid: Well Jim, that really helps me but I’ll tell you something that’s so intriguing to every believer and it’s got to do with the invisible realm of angels. We’re making available this week your book “Angelic Encounters” and subtitled “Engaging Help from Heaven.” And you used a line that I’ve not seen before in talking about angels in your book. A description you called angels “Messengers of love.” What did you mean by that?
James: God is love and so don’t you think that those who are being sent ones, that’s what a messenger is, going to carry the very attributes of God Himself. They’re ministering servants they’re like heaven’s deacon’s sent to earth representing the Father. And oh my, they come releasing dimensions of the kingdom of God of righteousness, peace and joy. And by the way you who are listening right now, I tell you “You are not alone, help is on the way; you can engage heaven’s help just say “Help.” Just pray “Kingdom come, will be done on earth as it is in heaven,” and heaven will send, God will send in response angels on assignment to come minister to you and help you in your time of need.”
Sid: I’m reminded of the worst night of my life right before I was saved I cried out a two word prayer, “Jesus help.”
Sid: And I had such a visitation, my room was ablaze with the glory of God.
James: And that was also angelic activity, see it was ablaze; it was with the fire, the manifested presence and angels come to release the fire, the light, the love, the life of God.
Sid: The only way to understand all that God has available for you is to understand the invisible realm especially the realm of angels. Jim and his wife Michal Anne wrote a book called “Angelic Encounters“, engaging help from heaven.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is another Jewish man that is red hot for Jesus. He’s a High School Geology instructor; also Neil Russell is it Astronomy that you teach too?
Neil: I teach Astronomy and I teach Earth Science, I teach all about the physics of this world.
Sid: Okay, so that kind of explains why you had such a passion to understand what Sir Isaac Newton was teaching in reference to the Bible and I have in my hand one of the first copies of your brand new book called “Newton’s Riddle.” This is historical fiction, but I believe it’s very very prophetic, give me a thumb nail sketch of this book.
Neil: Isaac Newton spent 30 years right before his death in 1727 studying the scriptures, he really believe that God had placed him on this earth not to find out just how the universe worked in gravity but how the scriptures would point to Christ return. Now in the book we have an American who is a code breaker. He happens on to this code that Newton had passed on for the past 300 years and through his knowledge into breaking codes he breaks it, and he finds out that Newton had come up with a an approximate date when Christ was going to return. And in this book he also points the fact that any country who would turn its back on Israel would be cursed and the country that he saw was America. So my main character Dr. Ezra Schroder, he felt that God had placed this book in his hands to implore and reluctant president of the United States to come to the…
Sid: Who just happened to be a female I might add.
Neil: That’s right, because America at that point had turned its back on Israel, and Israel at that point was facing annihilation from its surrounding Moslem countries.
Sid: And what was happening to America as they walked into that curse of Genesis 12:3?
Neil: There are curses that God has in store for any nation Sid that come against Israel. For America I truly believe that the curses that are going to come are going to come in the form of illness. It’s going to come in the form of monster earthquake that has been predicted but has not happened for the past 200 years. Also in the form of an economic collapse which will place us all the way back to start; we will become a third world nation.
Sid: You know it’s really brilliant the way you work this in you talk about how countries like China are investing in the US government bonds. Any time they decide to just pull their money out because of the trade deficit that they’re getting so much more money in the United States. We literally could collapse without a bomb.
Neil: Our country is so poised right now, we’re standing on the brink; everything in this country is pointing toward the fact that we are standing in the point that if we make a wrong decision right now, our president or whoever is in charge, our economy is going to go down the drain.
Sid: Now, just for those that aren’t familiar with it I have interviewed people that have written books and of course you worked this into the story line of what happened in the United States sometimes within twenty-four hours of going against Israel. Tell me a few of those things.
Neil: Sid I can give you hundreds of examples, but let me give you…
Sid: Isn’t it amazing though that all of these examples are like within like 24 hours of the United States going against Israel – wham Genesis 12:3 hits the United States in many different arenas. Give me some examples.
Neil: January 16, 1994, when President Bill Clinton met in Geneva with Syrian President Assad for the purpose of pressuring Israelis to give back the Golan Heights. The moment after the meeting was over a powerful 6.9 North Ridge earthquake rocked Southern California becoming the second most devastating natural disaster to every hit the United States right behind at the time Hurricane Andrew. Got another date for you, January 21, 1999 then the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was coldly received at the White House by Bill Clinton; after that meeting both the President and Secretary of State Madeline Albright snubbed the Israeli Prime Minister by refusing to have lunch with him. It was that very day that the Monica Lewinski scandal broke into the headlines; now which led to the impeachment and the disgraceful downfall of Bill Clinton. Sid I got one more that goes right to this second. And everybody will remember this I believe God’s final warning to America came on August 23, 2005. Now as the world watched the last Jew was forcefully evicted by their own country members from their homes in the Gaza Strip. This was all due to the response of the tremendous pressure exerted by our own President and his Secretary of State on Israel to disengage from the Palestinian land. On that very day a weather system formed off the coast of Florida, now this storm grew into a hurricane named Katrina which destroyed not only the city of New Orleans, but most of the state of Mississippi as well. Now image just one single storm wiped out an area the size of Great Britain rendering thousands of American’s homeless. Causing hundreds of billions of dollars in damage and leaving thousands dead. Now what it says in the Bible what America’s done to Israel God has done to America; okay one year after they were forced to remove from their Gaza homes thousands of evicted Israeli Jews still remain in makeshift governmental housing. So too one year after the powerful Hurricane Katrina struck Mississippi in Louisiana’s Gulf coast thousands of evicted American citizens were still living in government provided housing. Every single time Sid, at the exact moment America pressured Israel into dividing their God given land disaster stuck America. And just as God sent prophet’s in the Bible prophet after prophet of judgment to warn Israel to return to Him and forsake the world. America has been warned Sid. And I believe times running out.
Sid: Now, there’s so many things we can talk about; people would never ever read a book of just scripture will read your novel because it’s so now, it’s so today, but you have a chapter here “Academy Award’s Night in Hell.” Tell me about that.
Neil: Okay, every year the actor’s get together and they give themselves rewards. I truly believe that God showed me some insight here that the demons in hell including satan gather together and they give themselves awards. In that chapter we start off right after 1945 right after World War II. The demons came up with a plan and I believe their plan if you take a look at what’s happened, you go back in time can be titled a frog in a frying pan. The their plan was to desensitize this once moral country to sin, so the demons in this chapter actually give themselves awards for the demon who spread the lie about you know sexual sins, and the demon that spread the lie about saving money. American’s have gone into debt, if you look at this chapter you will see exactly what has happened over the past 5 0 years to America to bring us to the point right now that our country is desensitized to sin.
Sid: It’s just the most amazing thing if you just look at the line up on secular television you see homosexuality as acceptable, adultery acceptable, New Age, acceptable, drugs acceptable. I mean we’ve come a long way in my life time.
Sid: I mean, even the dress, I mean I just got back from a vacation in Miami, and I can’t believe the way woman are dressed today; the way they are dressed today is what it used to be in places where they show naked woman that’s the normal dress today. At least it was in Miami when I went there.
Neil: Well Sid, in the book it shows you the hierarchy of the government of satan and each of these demons there’s princes out there that are in charge of certain parts of the United States. And each of these demons give each other awards and I can see that happening in the spirit realm. This is something that we don’t really picture as happening, but they plan out every detail of the future.
Sid: Well we know about academy awards night in hell but do we know about academy rewards night in heaven? I believe just as the devil is having this award night in hell for what he’s accomplished in the United States, God will have one day academy rewards night in heaven. And the thing that you’re going to bring to heaven with you is souls; and I don’t know of a better tool to sneak up on the enemy with than your book “Newton’s Riddle.” And you’ve already proven it, you’ve given it to your high school students and they’re raving about it, kids that would never be reading a book about morality, about the Bible are fascinated because it’s our country it’s talking about! It’s what’s going on, I mean you have a woman that becomes the first President of the United States. You work into the story line because it’s fictional, but I believe that it’s a prophetic book you work into the story line things that the kids know what’s going on today. So people that are non-believers whether they’re young kids or whether they’re senior citizens they’re going to love your book. And you told me that you got upset because there were so many books coming out like the “Da Vinci Code” that are maligning belief in God that was the catalyst to start you on this book.
Neil: That’s right I really believe that satan’s plan is to deceive people and God’s plan is the truth; that’s what people need. And people when they hear the truth I truly believe that the movie “The Passion” which was the truth about Christ crucifixion. Drew out people that would never go to the movies; crowds were tremendous. The people want to know truth and kids are starving for truth that’s something they don’t receive in public schools. A lot of kids that I teach they never even stepped inside a church. So this is I believe God’s using this to reach my students that they will see that…
Sid: Okay, if you’re not challenged I don’t know what will challenge you.
Sid: The anointing of God, the presence of God is so strong. Why? Because I have Neil Russell’s brand new book just off the press, “Newton’s Riddle.” And this is such a now book, I mean get this it involves the world’s first female President for the United States; it involves Israel being pushed by the United States into orchestrating a peace agreement; it’s historical fiction, but it is prophetic. I believe it’s so prophetic, but there is such a presence of God in the studio right now that I want to pray for you. I command in Yeshua’s name that all sickness, all evil come off of you, all pain, spirit of pain I command you to come off of every person that is listening right now. Spirit of cancer I bind you and I command you off of God’s people right now in Jesus name. I speak peace to those that are in turmoil in Yeshua’s name. My guest here by way of telephone is Neil Russell, I’m speaking to him at his home in Queenstown, Maryland. Neil is a High School Teacher at Annapolis High School. He’s written his first novel, Neil did you always want to write a novel?
Neil: Sid I never had any feelings for writing anything. I teach night school, day school, I coach, I’m a father and grandfather; writing a novel was the furthest thing from my mind.
Sid: Yet you said when you started this you had the worst spiritual attack of your life, and you also had some of the greatest supernatural help of your life even to the point of you started typing supernaturally. But tell me the premise of the book.
Neil: The premise of the book is two-fold, one to let people see beyond their senses that there’s another world and this world is just as real as that we live in. That there are governments in the Bible in Ephesians it says “There are principalities.” There are angels that are out there that are there to assist us, and there are demons out there to do what satan’s bidding is, To steal, to kill, and destroy. Most people don’t believe that including myself. But they plan out the future and we read about it in the newspapers.
Sid: You knew how to talk about it but you really in your heart of hearts as you explained yesterday you didn’t believe it.
Neil: No, I didn’t. I really believe God was giving me insight to write the book but as far as in a personal level I really didn’t believe the things that my wife was telling me. It wasn’t until God opened my eyes, the Holy Spirit revealed that everything I was writing was absolutely true. And that it was satan’s plan to stop me from finishing this book because I truly believe that the events of this book, even though I’m not setting a date, these events will happen because they come from scripture.
Sid: Well, give me a brief outline of what the story is about.
Neil: Isaac Newton truly felt that God had placed him here not only to find out how the universe worked, but also to find out the times of Christ return and he spent the last thirty-five years of his life pouring over the prophetic scriptures, especially Daniel and Zachariah, Isaiah, and the book of Revelations. He really felt that before he died that God would reveal to him Christ return and the premise of the book and this really happened is that one of his journals ended up in the hands of a friend and the friend’s name was John Craig and it stayed in John Craig’s family until 1936. All the works are found in Cambridge University, but this journal ended up you know through a period of 300 years not being revealed until I believe God wanted it to be revealed. Today that journal is in Jerusalem, and it has been decoded. So the premise is that Newton wrote a coded journal that’s been decoded. And the code in there shows us exactly what’s going to happen, most books that you read on end-times take place during the time of the revelation from the rapture on and this book takes us from now I believe through the end of next year. And I don’t believe that anybody has ever written an end-time book that places it right in the present.
Sid: And of course as I Googled Sir Isaac Newton I found out that he said, “The world would end no later than 2060. He also said, “That before the world would end the Jews would return to Israel,” isn’t that fascinating.
Neil: It’s fascinating.
Sid: When did he live, what was it about the 1700’s I guess.
Neil: That’s right, that’s right he died in 1727.
Sid: And so for him to say the Jews would be preserved, for him to say, the Jews would come back to Israel in the last days that took a man that really believed the Bible.
Neil: Absolutely as I said before he really felt that God had placed him here to especially find out when Christ would return. He saw after reading the Old Testament prophecies that God’s timetable is the Jew. And back in the 1700’s the Jews were scattered, he didn’t foresee that 1948 after the holocaust the Jews returned to their homeland. He also foresaw that there would be a friendly nation that would arise during this period that would make it possible for the Jews not only go back, but stay in their homeland. And I believe and again, it’s in the book that friendly nation was the United States of America. The other point of the book is that God makes a promise in Genesis 12:3 He said that “To the descendants of Abraham that those who blessed them would be blessed.” And the United States throughout our history has blessed the Jew; they blessed the Jew by opening the doors to America and welcoming them in, they blessed the Jew by supporting Israel from 1948 until this present moment.
Sid: I mean this is the most blessed country in the world despite what people say about us; it’s the most wonderful blessed country and I’m convinced that it’s because we’ve tapped into Genesis 12:3. “God says, “I God will bless those who bless the Jewish people and I will curse those who curse the Jewish people.” And your book “Newton’s Riddle” goes into a period in history were the United States is starting to curse Israel, explain.
Neil: Sid, what we read in the newspapers, the recent newspapers is that we are pressuring the United States is pressuring Israel to give back their covenant land. Now I live on the Eastern Shore of Maryland, but I work in Annapolis, Maryland. We had a conference right here in our home town in which we pressured both sides to meet. The premise of the meeting was to divide up God’s covenant land, that Israel would return the West Bank and also divide Jerusalem including giving back I believe the Temple Mount. Any country, that’s the apple of God’s eye, that forces Israel’s hand to give back there God covenant land is coming under possibly coming under the curse that mentioned in Genesis 12:3 “That I will curse, those who also harm or come against Israel.”
Sid: In your book you paint a pretty bleak picture for America, what do you hope will happen as a result of this novel, I mean this thing could catch on and be a major motion picture. Do you think it will be a motion picture?
Neil: With God all things are possible and this is something that just…
Sid: It’s going to be but go ahead when someone reads this book the average person doesn’t understand prophesy, but they will read a historical fictional novel.
Neil: Absolutely and I’ve seen so many people pick up like the Da Vinci Code which is based on lies. This book is filled with scripture, and one of the things I wanted is for people that really aren’t versed in scripture to see how these scriptures are coming alive. And so that to me is probably the most important part, to actually see, read the newspaper, and just take a look at scriptures and say “My gosh when they read these scriptures in the Bible they can actually see that this is happening in the world.”
Sid: It’s not like Sir Isaac Newton that saw scripture and believed it hundreds of years before it happened, it’s a now book. I mean I don’t know that I’ve ever seen another book that has been such a now book. I mean it’s so gripping, I couldn’t put the book down, you know I just started reading it and I didn’t want to put the book down. And can you imagine getting this information into people about the reality of the supernatural realm? About the reality of the scriptures, about the reality of the Jew in Israel; now there been what Tim LaHay wrote whole series the “Left Behind” series but he didn’t understand the invisible realm or at least he didn’t talk about it or Israel to the degree that you understand this. What kind of reaction are you getting, you’re a high school teacher, what kind of reaction are you getting from your students that have read some of the first copies of this book?
Neil: Sid they’ve never heard about the supernatural outside of what they see on television. I truly believe when they actually hear the truth student’s will flock to the truth. And very seldom do they actually see it, they love reading the book, they love hearing the truth about demons and how demons take on roles all the way up from satan who’s the chief demon all the way down to the little demons which we call spirits of infirmity that bring on sickness. And also the demons that are assigned to people, these are called familiar spirits that they watch everything we do and when we die these demons of these familiar spirits know everything about us. And so when they conjure them up on television they think they’re real people, actually what they are talking to…
Sid: You know Neil, your book “Newton’s Riddle” it’s such a thriller, that’s the best word that I can describe, it’s a book that you want to read because it’s not only is it a fascinating book, but it will open up the supernatural to you. Not only will it open up the supernatural prophetically it’ll show you right where we are this moment in history. And I love Neil how you extrapolated from Sir Isaac Newton’s secret black book what the greatest mathematician and scientist the world has ever offered. When he feels that the Lord’s going to return you actually state the year in this book.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah, my guest is red hot for the Messiah; his name is Steven Brooks. And Steven likes to have interchanges with angels. Steven I actually there is a Bible college in Romania that uses your book as a text book to teach about angels. Tell me about that Bible College.
Steven: That is true Sid, this is a new Bible College it’s been opened up in Romania and a dear friend of mine that I’ve gotten to know over the internet. Thank God for the internet, he has taken this book on angels and is using this as the text book to teach on the subject of angelology; which is the teaching of angels. And so the book it’s wonderful how the Lord has created an international interest in this subject of angels. And so we’re seeing this book flying out all over to the different nations of the world.
Sid: Now, how did you get so interested in the angels and most people when they hear angels they immediately think of the negative rather than the positive which if there is a negative there has got to be a positive. There has to be, if there is a counterfeit there has to be an authentic. Sid Roth supernatural videos
Steven: Right, you know I for several years just studied the subject of angels and really liked the topic but you know this is just like angels, just like any other supernatural manifestation of the Spirit is something that we can’t make happen. In other words I can’t push a button and have some type of angelic experience, I wish I could, I wish it were that easy, but these things happen as the Spirit leads. But I by the grace of God began to have encounters with angels, and as I would teach and minister on this subject and share some of the things that the angels shared with me from the scriptures that encouraged me I would share that with people. People began to say, particularly some church leaders, they would say, “Steven you need to write a book on angels.” And I began to get prophetic words along that line, “Steven you need to write a book on angels.” So finally I heard clearly from the Lord and the Lord said, “I want you to write a book on angels,” but then the Lord said something very interesting that puzzled me. He said, “I want you to write a book on angels and it will have a lot to do also with horses. And I just…
Sid: That would puzzle me too.
Steven: I said, “Well Lord, I said, “I don’t know where to go with that.” And then for about a year and a half every time Sid that I would try to write this book. I just would pick the pen up and I would try to start to go to work on it and put the pen back down and say “I don’t know how to combine anything together with horses and angels, I don’t see anything there so You are going to have to reveal this to me.” Well, when we moved to Moravian Falls, North Carolina I was introduced to a man one time while I was having lunch at a restaurant, and he said, “Hey, I hear your writing a book.” And I was thinking, “Well, I’m trying to write a book.” And so he said, “What’s it about?” I said, “It’s going to be about angels.” And he said, “Do you know there’s a lot of similarities between horses and angels?” Oh Sid when he said this I could have fell right there at that table at the restaurant and this man was a businessman that had a large horse property with many horses. He’s had a couple of angelic experiences and he began to share with me some things that was just like a skeletal form. I took that and put the meat on the bones in the book and just bring out a whole lot of the amazing similarities that there are between horses and angels. Sid Roth Its Supernatural
Sid: But you know the question and that’s by the way I’ve read that and that’s fascinating, but the question that most of our listeners have right now is what is the purpose of angels?
Steven: That is a very good question; the main purpose of angelic ministry is to serve for us. Sid they’re servants and many times we’ll have people that love the Lord, maybe they’ve been saved for thirty years, but they have never gotten the angels involved in their lives.
Sid: But we in our peanut brain we think well, if they’re going to be involved in our lives they are just going to be, you mean there’s something we can do to cooperate with them better?
Steven: That is true; we need to know the angels better particularly those that are assigned to us. Every person has an angel; actually every person has even more than one angel. Psalm 34 talks about how the angels, excuse me “The angel of the Lord encamps around and about them that fear Him,” but there’s other verses in the Bible that give clear indication that we all at least have one angel. Even the time when Peter was in prison and the saints were making fervent prayer for him and God sends and angel get’s Peter out of prison, he comes back to that house meeting where they’re having that prayer meeting at and knocks on the door. And Rhoda, that young girl answers the door and sees it’s Peter and goes back in and says it’s Peter and they say no, it must be his angel.
Sid: I wonder if our angel looks like us at least that was the Jewish belief back then.
Steven: Well, I have seen the angels of some individuals before and it’s not always the case. One time I had it was about 3:00 in the morning, Sid I was woken up out of my bed, I knew something was about to happen, some type of experience was about to happen. So I got up out of the bed out of the master bedroom where my wife and I were sleeping. I went to an empty room of the house and I began to wait on the Lord. And about 3:30 in the morning I actually had laid down on the bed in that room and actually had dozed off to sleep for a few minutes when I woke up and sat up and there were five angels standing at the foot of the bed in a semi-circle.
Sid: Well, what did they look like?
Steven: Well, they smiled at me and they said “We are the five angels of revival.” And when they said that I knew that they weren’t the only five angels of course, but they were five angels that had been assigned to certain men that were involved in previous revivals that had taken place in the earth and one revival that at that time was still taking place. And one of the angels looked, he looked like 85% like the minister on the earth that he was assigned to, not 100% he didn’t look like a twin but he looked about 85% that when I looked at him I could tell exactly the man that he had been assigned to serve for in the ministry.
Sid: Is this a well know man?
Steven: Yes he is if I were to say his name.
Sid: Could you?
Steven: Well, actually this man was a praise and worship leader, his name was Lindell Cooley.
Sid: Oh, I know Lindell; I’ve interviewed him.
Steven: Well, praise the Lord I actually met his angel one time, he was one of the five. So these were angels that had been involved with either a current revival, or past revivals that had taken place in the earth.
Sid: And what was their purpose in visiting you?
Steven: Well, the lead angel that was standing in front, he had two on either side he said, “We want to talk with you about the Spirit of Holiness.” And for thirty minutes they talked with me about the importance of living a life that’s pleasing to the Lord by living a holy life.” And there was not any shades of legalism or bondage or anything like that it was all, because Jesus said, “My yoke is easy my burden is light.” But it just so made you just want to live right for God as they were talking to me and I was able to even ask some of them questions in regards to Spirit of holiness and in regards to a life that pleasing to the Lord. And as a matter of fact Sid there was one angel that just by looking at Him I knew that whoever he had been assigned to must have been one of the most humblest men on the earth. You know it’s interesting we read in the book of Numbers how it says “Moses was the most humble man on the earth and Moses wrote that.”
Steven: Moses actually knew that he was the most humble man on the face of the earth and when I saw that angel I could tell that angel had been assigned to somebody who was probably one of the top most humblest people on the planet. And I asked that angel, “What must it have been like to have been involved in that great outpouring of God’s Spirit and that revival that you were assigned to. And he just kind of smiled and he said, “Really we didn’t have that much to do with it,” he said “The Lord just carried the whole thing.” And you know what, that angel did he just deflected all the glory put it right to the Lord and it was just like he wouldn’t touch almost any kind of recognition for it.
Sid: And that’s almost a test to see if the angel is from God or not.
Steven: Oh, I never, that kind of humility was just so refreshing, it was just like they would deflect anything back to the Lord almost as far as something great that had happened or anything along that line they would give it all up to the Lord. And even though they were involved in helping and even though the minister was laboring and preaching, they would still just give the Lord all the credit for it because He’s the one that supplied all the strength and did it all anyhow.
Sid: Now, you told me that there are angels that have been involved in revivals in Africa, and other countries that are on their way to America, that sounds exciting.
Steven: That is true I’ve talked with certain ministers that have great walks with the Lord, one I know particularly that is a minister in America that ministered many times in the country of Nigeria. The Lord Jesus came to this man in a vision and said, “I’m assigning a certain angel to you that was a very very powerful angel.” And this friend of mine who I thought he’s assigned to this country, the Lord said, “His work in this country is done and he’s coming with you now to America.” And I know also from South America there are some very powerful angels coming up from South America. You know Sid the American church has heard about the great miracles that have happened in Africa of limbs growing out, missing body parts being restored, we’ve heard things like that taken place.
Sid: And we always question, “Why isn’t this going on in America?”
Steven: Right and it hasn’t really happened in like a breakthrough type way here in America. Well, what the Lord has done He has provoked the American church to jealousy, and we’ve seen all these other things happening but we’re thinking, “When’s it going to be America’s time?” But that time is coming, where these great angels are gathering in America a frame work a foundation is actually being made right now, the angels have been working on it for about the past two years.
Sid: If that’s the case isn’t, can you see the timing of your new book called “Working with Angels.” Why is it important for someone to read this book briefly?
Steven: It’s important Sid because we have to work with them. It’s like a basketball team many times we just want to take, if the Lord were on the team we want to take the ball and just bounce it over to Him and say “Lord, you take all the shots.” But He’s not like that, He takes the bal l and throws it right back to us and say “No you work with me and work with those I’ve assigned to help you in this.” And when you read through the scriptures you’ll see that many of the great men of God they were familiar with their angels. Moses was very familiar with the angel that was assigned to him, Elijah was very familiar with the angel that was assigned to him, and we need to get to understand how the angels operate and how they work, and how we can get them off the benches and involved in our lives and in our ministries, and in doing what God has called us to do to get their help.
Sid: My guest Steven Brooks is red hot for the Messiah. You’ll find out in a moment why because he’s located at a place that I’ve been to many times called Moravian Falls North Carolina. His name is Steven Brooks and Steven for our friends that aren’t familiar with Moravian Falls, North Carolina why is there so much angelic visitations going on there? What’s the heritage?
Steven: Let me share with you that Moravian Falls is a very unique place, for those who move in the prophetic flow it’s a type of a place that we call a portal or an open portal. This is a territory where much prayer has been poured out upon. The early Moravians literally came to this very area and set up an on-going prayer revival and prayer meeting that took place over many decades. So the whole area is saturated with prayer, plus there is just a strong community of Christians who love the Lord, love the soon coming return of our Lord Jesus. And put all that together it just creates an atmosphere for the Lord’s glory to be manifested. Sid Roth archives tv shows
Sid: Well Steven, let me take you back a ways, tell me about the first time you heard the audible voice of God.
Steven: Sure, that was an experience Sid to me that was like a landmark in my life because I remember this was almost twenty years ago that I had gone to my grandmother’s house down in Mississippi. Now my grandmother was a good-old Southern Baptist, she loved the Lord and really she was what people would even call the pillar of the community. She was very Godly she had high integrity in her life; she was always at church, every Sunday morning and Sunday night, Wednesday night and I went over to her house as a young man in my early twenties. The rest of my family was there, my parents were there, my brothers were there but during the afternoon everybody headed out and went over to a neighbor’s house, but I stayed there at my grandmother’s house all by myself. This was in the afternoon and I just took a Bible and I laid down in one of the bedrooms on the floor just reading my Bible and as I was reading my Bible in my grandmother’s house everybody else had left. As I was laying there reading my Bible I suddenly heard a voice speak to me. The voice said, it was a male voice and it said, “Draw near to God and He will draw near to you.”
Sid: Did you realize that was actually in the scriptures?
Steven: You know at that time I didn’t, Sid I found that later like about ten days later that actually in the book of James chapter 4 verse 8 where it says, “Draw near to God and He’ll draw near to you.” I was shocked when I actually saw it in the Bible.
Sid: Well, what affect did this audible voice have on you?
Steven: Well, it made me want to respond to that statement, when I heard that statement the first thing I did is I looked up underneath the bed to see if somebody was hiding under there. And I thought maybe one of my brothers had sneaked back into the house and was playing a trick on me, but there was nobody there. That was an audible voice I heard speak to me and it just inspired me really to want to obey that directive to draw near to the Lord. One of the things I found out Sid is that we draw near to the Lord it’s very interesting He will honor His word and He’ll start drawing near to us and things can get very interesting.
Sid: Now you did not understand drawing near to the Lord back then as well as you do today. If you were to give me a summary, a brief summary how does someone draw near to the Lord practically speaking?
Steven: Sure that’s a good question. You know one of the things I found with drawing near to the Lord Sid is that it’s a matter of growth and grace, we’re all in progress; we’re all in transition going from one point to another going, from faith to faith and going from glory to glory, and from strength to strength. And one of the ways that I had just found to do that is just spend time with the Lord in prayer; in time with God studying His word reading the Bible, and just getting to know the Lord; getting to know His ways; getting to know that He is. And He’s a very enjoyable person, the Lord Jesus Christ is so much fun to spend time with Him. What is wonderful is that it’s two way communication; He communicates with us, talks with us and reveals Himself to us in an ongoing basis.
Sid: Speaking to talking to us talk about that time you were in the midst of a forty day fast and you began to see some strange lights, tell me about that.
Steven: Well Sid that was a time and this was in the year of 2000 when I just took forty days to draw near to the Lord with prayer and fasting. I committed myself to just drink water and a little bit of juice things like apple juice and light juice, but I didn’t eat any food I just wanted to, I actually felt lead of the Spirit to enter into this fast. And as I was into this fast on the tenth day something very unusual happened I was in my office and it was late at night I was praying all by myself. As I was in the office praying very slowly a light began to come into the office, it was up high towards the ceiling and it came in stronger and increased in brilliance, and then out of that light a voice spoke to me and said “Take a note pad and a pen and write.” And I grabbed, the first thing I did I was shaking Sid I didn’t know what to do, I grabbed a note pad and I grabbed a pen and the voice spoke to me and said, “Write 1-7.” And so I wrote those down and then it was the Lord, He said, “These seven waves of blessing will come upon your life.” And He told me what they were and I wrote them all down and then the Lord began to talk to me more. He said “I would like to talk with you about the coming healing revival.” Oh, I got excited when I heard that Sid.
Sid: Now, just out of curiosity before you tell me about what He told you.
Sid: Of these seven waves of blessing have any of them come to you yet?
Steven: That is a good question because when the Lord shared them with me I was so excited I thought all of them would probably happen within the first month after that experience. And right now it’s been over seven years and I am now well into the first blessing.
Sid: Why do you think that He waited seven years?
Steven: I think there’s an area of development, some of the things the Lord told me was these seven waves of blessing pertained to my life and the ministry calling and to the ministry purpose t hat He has for me. And so I can clearly now when I see these things realize that this is a process that will take time and probably like number 6 and number 7 are still maybe even a decade out.
Sid: Okay, capsulate what is the major ministry purpose for you that God has shown you.
Steven: Well, my purpose is really to build up the Body of Christ. I’m not an evangelist, an evangelist and bring them into salvation through Jesus and get them into the family of God. Once they’re in that’s where my calling comes in to equip them and fill them with the word of God so that they can have victory in their lives, and just get to know the Lord and be close to the Lord and get prepared for heaven. And be prepared on the earth to be a blessing to many others.
Sid: By the way, tell me about this next revival that’s coming.
Steven: Well, the Lord He said to me He said, “I want to talk with you about the coming healing revival” and there was a pause and He said “Would you like to know some of the miracles that will take place when this out pouring of my Spirit begins to flow?” I said, “Lord I’d love to!” He said, “Well,” he said, “One of the things that will take place is that they will bring burned patients in from the hospital that have 3rd degree burns, and also other people that have already suffered severe burns, but they’re scared. They will come into these meetings and they will sit under the glory for two weeks or one week and he said, “They will be completely healed.” And He said “Some of those that are brought into from the hospital will be instantly, they’ll be healed that very day that they’re brought into the meeting.”
Sid: Well, I can just picture a meeting like this taking place like this in Israel because you’re talking to an evangelist and I can’t think of greater signs to happen in a country that’s so hit by suicide bombers and so many. I mean Israel is the specialist in the natural of healing burns and things like that. Imagine what would happen if that glory came into a meeting in Israel and the hospital started bringing their patients in ambulances.
Steven: I believe it’s going to happen Sid, and I believe that divine healing has always been the dinner bell for those that don’t know the Lord, if there’s a power that’s present to get the sick, or the incapacitated, or even the maimed, or the people with missing body parts there’s a power there that get them healed or get them made whole people will come. And we’re already seeing these things take place, we’re just touching on the tip of the iceberg of it, but it’s about to break and it’s going to be a tremendous outpouring of God’s Spirit. I’d like to share one other thing that the Lord told me, He said, “Also there will be children that have down syndrome and children that are autistic, He said “That they will be brought into the meetings as well and also children that are mentally retarded and even adults that are mentally retarded and have down syndrome they will be brought into the meeting” and He said, “They’ll sit in the meeting one week or two week and they’ll be completely made whole.”
Sid: And how far off is this revival?
Steven: Well, I’ll give you an example I just had a person email me to months ago and said, “Steven, please pray for my daughter, she’s pregnant, she’s late into the pregnancy and the doctors has examined the baby,” and of course the baby’s on the inside of the mothers tummy, but they’re full convinced that the child has down syndrome. And they’ve told her the child is going to be born with down syndrome we’ve already seen all of the signs, all the evidence so just prepare yourself for that. And the father of this daughter who was pregnant said, “Steven, please pray I believe God can do a miracle.” Well, he had faith for his daughter, and I joined my faith with his and I prayed and I email him back. Two days later I said, “I believe the Lord has told me that God’s, that He’s going to do a miracle, expect that child to be born in perfect health.” And I just got an email Sid about ten days ago where the brother told me that the child has been born in perfect health and he said, “Steven he said, “Now please pray for the mother, she’s in shock, she’s having a hard time understanding this.”
Sid: My goodness, well that might be the first fruits of what God’s told you is going to happen. I have your brand new book “Working with Angels,” subtitled “Flowing with God in the Supernatural.” Why is it that we who know God know so little about angels and know so little about how they work with us, and as a result miss a lot of what God has for us?
Steven: Sure, Sid I think that the church to a certain degree has been afraid of the supernatural. That’s why I love what God has anointed you to do and you’re revealing this to not only the church, but to others that have an interest in the subject and it gets people closer to the Lord. But the supernatural realm belongs to us, the New Age has come along and stolen much that belongs to the church. A lot of time people think that angels they attribute that to the New Age or so in a lot of things we have allowed to gone over to the enemies camp because…
Sid: Yes, but it’s time to come back into our camp working with angels. Sid Roth’s messianic vission 2007 archives
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah, that’s an understatement for my guest Deborah Shambora. I’m speaking to her at her home in Gilbert, Arizona it’s a city right outside of Phoenix. And Deborah was involved in a freak accident, it was a horrible accident, a horse trampled on her and literally crushed most of her vital organs and bones and everything, and she literally died in the hospital. When she died she had a encounter with God, and obviously it wasn’t her time because she came back and gradually her body healed except when she got home. She found out that they hadn’t even dealt with it, but part of the crushing had to do with her cornea. And so she wasn’t able to see and her eyes were literally covered with scar tissue. What was your vision like at that time Debra?
Deborah: At that time I had multiple images about sixteen overlapping images.
Sid: You mean when you looked you could see sixteen images?
Deborah: Yes, all of them mixed together.
Sid: I have enough problem with one, okay go ahead.
Deborah: It was interesting to too to look at; let’s say the moon because it’s dark and you just have the moon, but instead you have sixteen all on top of each other. It was an interesting thing to see things that way. But I went to the doctors and the only fix for it was a cornea transplant in both eyes. So in the next year, one year after the accident, I had a cornea transplant in my right eye and I had about sixty-five stitches which is way more than what most people have, I had the cornea at the cornea transplant the stitches stay in for about a year. So I was literally blind for a good portion of that year.
Sid: And of course you were a single Mom and you had to make a living. So you literally, I think this is amazing, you took your teenager daughter with you and she was your eyes. Are you telling me in your business people didn’t even realize you couldn’t see?
Deborah: No, they couldn’t. I would take her and she would just describe what it is that I was supposed to be seeing. We have a marketing business so it’s really interesting that I was doing peoples’ marketing pieces and I couldn’t even see.
Sid: And I understand God supernaturally blessed you financially.
Deborah: He totally did. I never when out and got one client, the clients just came as I got better we got more and more clients and we’re still doing that same business.
Sid: Okay, you eventually the eye healed up to the point where with a contact lens and you only did one eye, your vision is 20/60 which is good enough to get by not real good but good enough to get by. And you go on a mission’s trip to Africa and there is a man that’s praying for the sick, he prays for you and what did he say?
Deborah: He prayed for my vision and he explained to me the difference between healing and a miracle. That a miracle is something that takes place unostentatiously while a healing evolves over time. And I left that day and I didn’t see any difference and so the next day when I got up to go to church in Africa, I went to our service in Africa and when I walked into the church building and of course it’s not the same kind of church the church building is here it’s a hut. So when we walked into the building I could just see in the spirit realm, I saw angels,..
Sid: Was that the first time you were able to see in the spirit realm?
Deborah: That was the first time, I had seen before that just a glimpse like Jesus, not long after I was saved, glimpses, but nothing like this, this was the actual – it was like a movie – like going to the movies.
Sid: Well, what could you see, what was going on in the movie that you were looking at, of what was going on in the invisible world?
Deborah: Well, the angels came walking down towards the front of the church and there was a multitude of them, I didn’t count them but there were many of them and they were, they were bringing with them packages wrapped in silver and stacking them up on the platform. And then they were cleaning platform kind of washing it as if in preparation for what God was going to do there that day. And I watched them go up to the speakers and touch them and impart things to them, just give them gifts, these gifts that they brought I felt what God wanted to give to the people who were there, they were gifts of healing, they were gifts of spiritual gifts. They were gifts of words of knowledge and prophecy and things like that. And they were all packaged for this particular meeting and the angels had come to deliver them for the Lord.
Sid: That must have been the most exciting show in history; I mean for you to be able – how long did it last?
Deborah: About two hours.
Sid: I imagine you were pretty dumfounded.
Deborah: I just sat there with this really stunned look on my face those two hours and I didn’t know what I was seeing, I didn’t know what it was. And then I would look out the windows and I could see the enemy, I could see the demonic side of the spiritual realm peering in the windows.
Sid: Tell me what you saw.
Deborah: Well, you know different size and shapes of demonic beings which are they are just they are dark grayish, mostly greenish grey; they don’t have any light about them, there is no beauty about them; they are kind of bent and curled because…
Sid: I always thought that would be a wonderful gift because let’s suppose someone is sick and you can actually see a demon on them, well you know when that demon leaves when your pray, you can actually see what’s the cause and command it to leave. Have you ever done that?
Deborah: I have done that and I’ll see it on people, but sometime the person doesn’t really want to be healed. If I command the demon to leave the person is asking it to stay.
Sid: Well, it reminds me of a friend of mine that now in heaven Dr. Derrick Prince, he used to say that “God never sets us free from our friends He always sets us free from our enemies.”
Deborah: That’s good, so I have seen it and then I have seen on the other side where the enemies will have to leave the person and because the person is truly believing and has the faith to believe that God wants to heal them. Sid Roth It’s Supernatural 2012
Sid: Okay, you had this two hour vision you look out the window and you see the demonic going on you see the God going on in the congregation and it last two hours. Did this continue or was this a onetime experience?
Deborah: No it actually continued, when I was leaving the service that day we were driving home and in Africa a lot of people are riding on the little mopeds and I could see the people riding on mopeds and they would have like a demon riding on the back with them. And it started to really, you know I was thinking “Am I going to see this way all the time and what is this?” But the Lord is gracious and He was showing me all of the openness and then He was showing me that it was something that you can choose to see in the natural and you can choose to see in the spiritual. And so I could choose to just quiet my spiritual eyes and not see it. Now anytime I press in and press in to see in the spirit realm I can see what is going on in the spirit realm.
Sid: So you would say you haven’t had the manifestation of full natural sight but you’ve had the manifestation of full spiritual sight. That’s got to be such a wonderful, wonderful gift.
Deborah: Um hm.
Sid: Deborah I want you to share with our people tomorrow about what you’re able to accomplish as a result of seeing in the spirit world. But we’re making available this week a One New Man Kit. Why? So many people are calling us and saying Sid, I want to have a congregation that moves in power that has intimacy with God, that is flooded with the Spirit of God that there are healings going on, that unsaved people walk in and they walk out saved, they walk out healed, they walk out delivered, where can I find such a congregation? And you know I think it’s very difficult to find a congregation that large that way. I like what the first church did, the first church was made up of house congregations that then eventually came together for corporate worship, or for five-fold impartation. The core of the church it wasn’t a house group in a mother church. The church was the house group and so many people say “Well, I can’t do that, I am not educated enough.” Well, how educated do you think the first Jewish people that believe in Jesus were? And if you read about their various house churches in the book of Acts you’ll see it was the kind of church you’d like to go to. And so that’s why over the years I’ve interviewed so many people. The ones that had the best books on aspects of what I call the One New Man I’ve put together in a kit. If you were to never start a house congregation and just digest the best books I found on how to prophesy, how to pray for the sick, how to understand the Biblical feasts, how to set up a soaking room, how to pray for people to be baptized in the Holy Spirit. And that’s something I’m upset about because most Charismatic and Pentecostal churches I don’t think they have many more people baptized in the Holy Spirit than the seeker sensitive churches have. And there’s something wrong with this picture, but there is going to listen there’s going to be such a move, such an explosion of God’s Spirit that I believe the church buildings we have will not be able to contain all the people that are going to come to Lord and so if you’re in the category of I’m looking for a church that everyone is a participant, I’m looking for a church that has no agenda but to yield to the Holy Spirit then I urge you go get our One New Man Kit and if you are going to establish church or you’re a pastor and you want to make some modifications this is designed for you too. Sid Roth It’s Supernatural youtube
Sid: Haven’t you felt that there’s something missing? Well I believe there’s a spiritual DNA in Jewish people and a spiritual DNA in Gentile Christians. And it’s just like there’s a different calling for males and for females, but you need both to have a good marriage. Well, you need the Jewish anointing and the Gentile Christian anoint to come together to have the full body of Messiah. Why, because we’re about ready to experience the greatest outpouring of God’s Spirit in planet Earth. Now we don’t know the day or hour that the Lord’s going to return, but I believe there’s going to be so many people come into the Lord that’s why this week we’re featuring our One New Man Kit which I’ll speak of in a little while. My guest Deborah Shambora, I’m speaking to her at her home in a city right outside of Phoenix, Arizona. And Deborah tell me what happened to you when this horse went slightly mischugah that’s a Hebrew word crazy and started trampling you?
Deborah: Oh, I like that word mischugah I’m going to have to use that, I haven’t heard that one before.
Sid: Well, I mean the King of the Jews came up with that one. So what happened to you, I mean we’re making light of it but this was a very serious moment.
Deborah: Yes, yes it was it was a moment that really totally changed my life in so many different ways. I was out with my horses and one of the horses that was not mine decided that for some reason she would go crazy. She ran to me at full speed and knocked me to the ground and stomped on me. And the interesting thing was when she did it was something in me just knew that the Lord was going to do some great thing out of this. And I got this peace I felt like I was laying in the hand of the Lord, just laying in His hand. I knew I was hurt, I knew I was hurt badly but I also knew that the Lord was just totally surrounding me and keeping me in His hand.
Sid: But weren’t you feeling pain?
Deborah: Oh yes, (laughing) yes I was…
Sid: But you also at the same time you were feeling the presence of God.
Deborah: Right and so then the pain actually, as the presence of the Lord took over, the pain actually got less and less, which it shouldn’t have based on the injuries that I had. But the pain actually got less and less, it was still painful, but the peace of God was so overwhelming that the pain was secondary, I don’t know how else to describe.
Sid: Well, you daughter was there what did you say to her?
Deborah: She came over to me and I said “I’m really hurt and I need an ambulance.” So she went running out of the pasture and to get a phone and to get an ambulance. And by the time she got back I was really quite still, I felt this stillness in the Lord, and so I just laid still on the ground. And I kept singing praise and worship songs that was in my head the Lord kept just bringing them back to me, just praising Him, just thanking Him, worshiping Him. My eyes were totally on Him and I know that was a gift because it was nothing I could do myself.
Sid: It had to be when the horse’s trampled and you and you’ve got broken bones and who knows what, and you’re singing. That reminds me of Paul and Silas in prison and they had just been beaten and they were worshiping God at midnight and everyone was watching them.
Deborah: It was an incredible feeling and even now I can kind of go back and just touch that feeling of being right there in the hand of the Lord and it’s an incredible thing. So then I, they took me to the hospital, they didn’t really think I was hurt that badly because I was so peaceful, blood pressure was great, everything seemed fine but…
Sid: How could you not have been stressed out?
Deborah: (laughing) You know I was laughing and making jokes and singing to the Lord, saying okay Lord I don’t know, it was only the grace of God. It is something that you can’t really explain the grace of God. It’s that grace that is that aspect of the Lord that lifts us into a higher plain.
Sid: So of course the ambulance people thought you were fine because you were singing and at such peace, you get to the emergency room. What happened there?
Deborah: Well, they actually did again pretty much left me alone they did a few tests, left me alone, I was in the emergency room for about six hours. Based on one of the tests they decided to do a CAT scan and they did the CAT scan; they were going to release me. They said, “Were going to send you home, everything is fine, they waited for the results of the CAT scan and it came back that all of my internal organs on my left side were crushed and all of my ribs on that side were broken and I had a fractured elbow, and they didn’t know any of that.
Sid: They were going to release you, oy vei! That’s another Hebrew expression, but go ahead.
Deborah: (laughing) So they said that they would have to transport me to another hospital because they didn’t do trauma of that magnitude. Then doctors determined that it would not be wise to transport me, that I might not make it to the transport to the new hospital; so they put me in intensive care in that hospital.
Sid: So you were literally in their opinion on the verge of death.
Deborah: Yes, yes that’s what was told to me that it was a very life threatening thing and I needed immediate attention because I had lost so much internal blood. I was bleeding internally to such an extent from all kinds of organs that it was really critical at that moment. I went to intensive care and I remember getting kind of settled in intensive care and my daughter leaving and it was in the night. Because by the time I got to my room it was probably close to midnight. Sometime during that time and early morning hours when I was taken to surgery I became aware, just aware of the doctors and nurses in my room a lot of them, it just seemed like there were a lot of them, but I wasn’t looking up at them as if I were looking from the bed I just became aware that they were there almost like I was looking from outside of myself. And they were saying things to each other, “I need more blood, the blood is too cold” it had just came up from the blood bank and “I don’t care put it in her anyway, get me extra blankets,” it was a rushing around of all kinds of things. And all of a sudden it kind of hit me I think I might be close to dying, I think I might be going to die. I looked and I saw the Lord, I saw God the Father and we were in the kind of narrow place together. I looked at him and I said, “I’m going to die now.” And He didn’t answer me, and then I said, “Well,” because I thought it would be good to bargain with God I said, “Well Lord, I really would like to stay longer because my daughters only 17, and I think that there’s more that I need to teach her and I don’t know anyone else who could do it. I don’t know anyone else she could live with until she was old enough to live by herself.” And the Lord patiently listened and when I was finished, He said this to me He said, “She was mine before she was yours and I gave her to you do you think I’m not capable of taking care of her after your gone?” Well, when God tells you that it’s you really don’t have anything to say back. He’s totally right, I’m not the one that took care of my daughter all of these years, He is so I said, “Oh, okay I’m ready to go then, I’ll go with You.” The next thing I knew I was being wheeled into surgery early in the morning that morning and I wasn’t dead, I didn’t die.
Sid: But medically speaking what did the doctors say, did they say you died?
Deborah: Medically speaking there was yes, I was a code blue, there was a period of time, and I don’t know exactly how long, that I was not breathing, my heart was not pumping. I was clinically dead.
Sid: This is quite an experience that you get trampled almost dead and then you eventually die, you see God, you experience peace even though your bones are all crushed and your vital organs on one side are all crushed, you’re still experiencing the peace of God. What affect did this have on you? I mean how did you even process this thing?
Deborah: Well, the whole time that I was in intensive care which was about a month after that, I really felt that similar peace of the Lord just washing over me, it was consistent and constant. I would just read the scriptures all the time. And anyone that walked into my room they would say what can I do for you, I would say, “Just read the scriptures.” That was the bread, that was what I was eating and drinking, was these scriptures. A nurse came in and she said, “I noticed that people are always reading the scriptures to you, do you want me to do that now?” And I said, “Yes,” she said “Where?” I said just open them and start reading whatever you read is food for me, and that just really sustained me during that time. Yes I felt pain, yes there was recovery, all kinds of things of course happened afterward, I got acute pancreatitis; I actually got gangrene from and open fracture that I had on my arm.
Sid: Someone really didn’t want you to prosper after having that encounter with God. You eventually get home, you healed of most the things that are going on, and then all of sudden because everything else was going on they didn’t even realize that your cornea had been what would you say ruptured?
Deborah: Yes, they were both damaged in the accident from the force of horse, she was a 1,200 pound horse running at full speed when she hit me and I’m only a 130 pounds so you can probably if you’re a physicist you can do the math and the force was so great that when I hit the ground they would assume it ruptured both of my corneas.
Sid: What was wrong with your vision, could you see anything?
Deborah: I could see multiple images as they began to heal, as my eyes began to heal they healed scar tissue all over the corneas and so I couldn’t see one image it was almost like I was seeing out of a kaleidoscope.
Sid: Hold that thought we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast; you are going to love what God did for her, gave her a new type of sight, supernatural vision. But for those of you that feel there’s something more, there must be something more and they’re many of you that are listening. I want you to consider starting a house congregation or if your part of an established church consider shifting to the way the first church was. We have our One New Man Kit. I really believe someone could take this one new man kit and be parachuted anywhere in the world and start house congregations. Listen there’s going to be such an explosion of God’s Spirit, I believe this is the set time to form the foundations for the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history, and I want you to consider starting a One New Man House Celebration. Because I believe that God wants you to stop being a spectator.
Sid: My guest Michelle Perry is red hot for the Messiah, Michelle Perry from Sudan; she’s been called by God to go to Sudan but that’s kind of an overwhelming thing for anyone. You have a woman alone and oh she would refuse to say she was alone, she said she travels with four Father, Son and Holy Spirit and herself. But literally no money, just a call of God to go to Sudan; paint me a picture for someone like myself that’s never been to the Sudan tell me what I might see if I went to the Sudan.
Michelle: Well, you would see lot and lots of children most of which are dressed in rags.
Sid: Now, why are there so many children dressed in rags?
Michelle: Well, because clothing is expensive there, and everything is expensive there. If you have got something covering your body you’re okay.
Sid: Are there many orphans in Sudan?
Michelle: The last statistics that I heard was in the entire nation of Sudan both south and north there were around 3 million orphans.
Sid: Three million, how do these orphans survive?
Michelle: Various ways, in the south they have a fairly strong extended family structure where they’ll go live with an auntie or uncle. If sometimes that’s not a possibility and then they’ll wind up on the streets in many cases.
Sid: But how do they survive on the streets?
Michelle: They’ll beg, they’ll steal, the girls will get involved in prostitution, drugs, I mean just about how any street child survives.
Sid: But there’s such an ordinate number, what else might I see in Sudan?
Michelle: Well, you’re going to see lots of soldiers toting AK-47’s, and lots of people who are drunk, not in the Holy Spirit not yet at least. Lots of suffering, there’s a real weight and oppression over the nation of just a heaviness, and there’s a lot of fear that goes on because they’ve just come out of war. I mean it’s only been a few years since the peace is signed and the things are tumultuous at that, we don’t know if the peace is even going to last. You’re going to see mud huts, you’re going to see no paved roads, you’ll see lack of sanitation. You know our hospital doesn’t even have a doctor very often at it, at least, we went several months without one. (Laughing) There’s no running water and very sporadic electricity, only a few compounds that actually have electricity. And so our building where we stay in we’re renting, we’re very blessed, it actually got walls and it’s brick and it’s also crumbling down around the ears, and it’s been bombed out it looks like. I don’t know if it was or not but it looks like it was a couple of holes in all of the doors and windows, so it’s quite an adventure.
Sid: So you have seventy-seven children.
Michelle: I do.
Sid: And you have the land, and you’re about ready to build the community center. But let’s take you back a little bit when you received that sovereign call from God you were on your way to India and God said not India, Africa, Sudan, one of the worst places on the planet. You went to South Africa and you prayed, for how long?
Michelle: For three weeks. Actually I went to Mozambique first and got to know Iris ministries and went through their Ministry Mission Training School there for two and one half months.
Sid: What is the most memorable experience about Mozambique and the Bakers?
Michelle: Gosh, there’s so many of them. Honestly I believe it would be the children, it would be being able to be with the children and look in their eyes and see these kids that absolutely know that they’re loved. And pour love out and they will chase you down to pray for you, I mean it’s just great.
Sid: So you had an encounter though with the Lord when you were praying in South Africa, tell me about that.
Michelle: I did, I went from Mozambique to South Africa. The one place that I was able to stay was in the center of Johannesburg which isn’t known for being the safest place in the world. I was on Commissioner Street which was in like the Harlem of Showberg.
Sid: And you were traveling with a party of four Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
Michelle: Right, exactly and I was there and this building didn’t have heat and it was a ministry center and they let me stay in an upper room, there kind of fitting. (Laughing) I was praying for three weeks because that’s what Jesus said to do and on eve of the twenty first day Jesus came into the room and I saw Him and He had the lightning of heaven coming out of His being and it was…
Sid: What, I’ve read about this, but what does that look like?
Michelle: It looks like blue white lightning and it was like electricity and it was so intense I just hit the deck, and laid on my face on the floor because what else are you going to do? And I’d been praying about where in south Sudan I should go. I had looked on the map so I had some city names in mind and during this whole encounter it was about four hours long and the first thing He said was, call a generation to converge and My heart to come to My heart. And so when I thrust them out into the harvest they’ll carry My heart beat.
Sid: So you’re not after just getting them saved, you’re after making them disciples.
Michelle: Absolutely! Absolutely! We’re after a movement, we’re after revival first sweeping from the south all the way into the Islamic world. We’re not after just you know building a village, we’re after a movement of love and of God’s heartbeat.
Sid: What else did He tell you?
Michelle: well he put an Arab baby in one arm and a black African baby in the other, and there’s one of two nations in Africa and Sudan one of them that has both ethnicities there present. And I knew that He had given me the nation of Sudan, I just knew it and I’m not the only one that He’s given it to but I’m one of them and so we’re just I’m just so excited and He told me to go the Yei, and He said it’s where you will enter into my promise Yei and it’s where the young will enter into my promise of revival. And so that’s where I went, I said, “Okay God how do I get there?” And one step, one revelation, one connection at a time before I knew it I was on a road with five people I really didn’t know. On a road that was washed out across rebel territory, and in a car I had rented with a driver for a couple of days to drop me off at this new city. And I mean the adventure really began,
Sid: Well, it’s an adventure but between you and me aren’t there times when you say “Yikes, what am I doing here, I must be crazy?”
Michelle: Well, I’ve had lots of people tell me, “You crazy white woman what do you think you’re doing?” No plan, no strategy, you don’t have any money, you didn’t have a team, you didn’t know where you were going, you don’t have a feasibility study.
Michelle: And I told them well, Jesus all ready did the feasibility study and He thinks that it’s quite feasible, and without Him it would be an impossibility study. And you know there are times that I look around especially when they shoot their AK-47’s off at night outside my window, you know I think, “Wow God what have we got me into? (Laughing) Then I look at my little ones eyes and I look into their faces and I see the affect of transformational love first hand. How could I not be there, how could I not want to run into the place where God is dreaming about, He is dreaming about His Sudanese bride. And I see that reflect in His eyes so how could I not run there? How could I not go?
Sid: I’ve seen video footage of Heidi Baker, and whenever I see her in Mozambique she’s got children and she’s got her arms around them, is that you?
Michelle: Pretty much, I mean it’ll be really nice when my other leg arrives because then I’ll have two legs to have kids sit on. Right now they have to fight over the one. But I’m surrounded with them and even my friends in Sudan they laugh at me because I’ll stop and say hi to everybody and I’ll have an entourage of kids that follow me even when I’m just going down to do internet. (Laughing)
Sid: Have you had points where you didn’t have any money?
Michelle: Just about, I don’t think we’ve had points where there’s zero dollars but there was definitely not enough to get our next meal.
Sid: Tell me one time when you didn’t have enough for your next meal and what happened.
Michelle: Well, we had a gal that was staying with us for a few months when we first started out, and our money at the base had run out so I was traveling to Uganda to get a withdrawal from our account because there’s no banks where I live. And so you have to go to another country to get your money. So I left them with what we had hoped would be enough to last just until I got back, but we had hit some road problems and I got delayed and so I was really really concerned I had no way to communicate with them and just praying going “God, please provide and take care of them” and when I got back they had a story of this truck pulled up to the compound unsolicited and first they were like no we don’t want it because we don’t have money to pay for it. And they’re like “No, no your names are on this list and we don’t even know how we got on the list, and they came out with these big basins of rice and beans which are staples and so they got food. And our kids had been praying for three weeks for soccer balls, and we didn’t have funds for it at the time. And so we said, “Let’s ask Jesus” and of course we hadn’t told anybody about this and it’s after they get the food out and every ones like oh, oh, oh, everyone’s all excited and everything. And they pull out this huge gunny sack filled soccer balls; and we heard you had kids here and you might like these. Well you kind of heard our kids shout all the way to Cartoom I think, and then they pulled out another bag filled with jerseys, soccer jerseys so our kids not only got food they got soccer balls and jerseys, and we still to this day do not know how we got on this organizations list.
Sid: What’s it like when something like that happens?
Michelle: It makes this Momma’s heart rest at ease knowing God’s got it, God’s got it He’s in control; it’s not up to me it’s up to Him and it’s just overjoyed, I mean overjoyed, overwhelmed with joy and gratefulness that Jesus, He’s not just concerned about barely enough or just enough. He’s concerned with the details and with the things that are important to our kids.
Sid: How do you feel when you see all the waste in America?
Sid: And you see what your kids in your country needs?
Michelle: You know I use to be really angry by it, but I realize when I look and most people I know don’t have a clue here, they don’t have eyes to see, they’ve never been exposed, they don’t know any different, so God really corrected me a couple of years ago and said, “They’re just as orphaned as the little kids that you pick up on the street corner.” You need to see that it’s not just about whether you’re a physical orphan, it’s about whether you’re a spiritual orphan, you’re an emotional orphan, and we have lots of orphans in this land, that they don’t understand they belong. And yes we’ve been blessed with provisions and we are wasteful with it, but even in our abundance many people here are poorer than my children will ever be.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, and I have to say Michelle Perry that is an understatement. To the best of your ability you live for Him 24-7. I asked your mom I said, “Were you a loving person most of your life?” And she said, “Yes!” Where do you suppose that, I know it came from God, but most people are bitter that are born without, missing one hip, missing one kidney, having a rod in their spine and in pain constantly how do you get all this joy with you have enough to feel. I give you permission to feel sorry for yourself.
Michelle: (Laughing) Well you know I never had another leg so it’s not like I lost one, you know mine just hasn’t arrived yet, it’s on its way.
Sid: You have to tell me again about the parts room, you see Jesus took her to heaven and she saw, and I’ve had a lot of guests that have told me about…I haven’t been to heaven yet I will one day, but I haven’t been to heaven yet but many people have told me about this parts room with the body parts. Tell me what does it look like?
Michelle: It looks kind of like a warehouse and it just has got, it’s got shelves with different like eyeballs on it, and different hearts beating, and lungs breathing, and it’s really kind of Sci-fi-ish it’s a little bit freaky.
Sid: We’ve seen more people get their body parts here on earth that’s there for that purpose.
Michelle: I think that were walking into a day where we’re going to; I mean the past revivals have seen a lot of creative miracles and I believe we’re walking into another wave of God’s Spirit that we’re going to begin to seen a lot of creative miracles and I believe we’re walking into another wave of God’s Spirit that we’re going to see that become the norm.
Sid: It’s my belief that Heaven’s drawing closer to earth and what we read in the Bible will be the norm and our experience especially hear in North America will be the exception.
Michelle: Hmm absolutely.
Sid: Now did Jesus actually tell you you would be getting new body parts.
Michelle: All I knew is that He sent it to shipping, which must mean it’s on it’s way.
Sid: How long ago was that?
Michelle: That was in 2003.
Sid: So it’s kind of …maybe you should send him the postage… nah I’m just teasing. (Laughing)
Michelle: I had a friend that was praying one day and she also got taken up into this room, and she did not know my experience and she was asking about different things and she said “Hey do you have any parts for Michelle Perry, just asked. And the angel that she talked to said, “Nope sorry they have already been sent to shipping so she asked where it was going and his reply was Africa.
Sid: Now on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about that you were in Toronto, you thought he Toronto Airport was an airport, and you found out it was a church. You had quite an encounter with Jesus there. He showed you His heart for the orphans and the hurting people around the world, but why were you crying so much there?
Michelle: I think because I was encountering more of His heart and He was enlarging my heart, and sometimes visitation isn’t always a warm fuzzy experience, sometimes it’s heart rending, and it hurts because He enlarging you to be able to carry more of Him, and that’s not always comfortable. And I was just overwhelmed with His presence and I don’t even know I just was. (Laughing) I really don’t.
Sid: So you’re on the plane trip back, you’re basking in the glory of God in the presence of God and there’s no one seated next to you and all of a sudden someone takes the seat, tell me about that someone and what this person said to you.
Michelle: Well, I saw Jesus walk on to the plane and He sat down next…
Sid: How was He dressed, was He dressed in a business suit or…
Michelle: No, jeans and a t-shirt. Yeah.
Sid: So He was in revival mode.
Michelle: He was in revival mode yeah. (Laughing) I saw Him and I just knew that it was Him. I don’t think that anybody else saw Him but I saw Him, and He was there and in the middle of the plane. When we got up to cruising altitude, it was like I saw the ceiling of the plane disappear which I was kind of looking around to see if anybody else was freaking out because it was a little freaky to be in a plane and have the ceiling disappear, a tad bit odd. Well nobody else seemed to be bothered so I figured it was just me and when I looked up I was immediately with Jesus in heaven and then he was dressed more like the robe and the things you normally see. (Laughing)
Sid: But let me get this, initially though He came on and He just sat next to you?
Michelle: Hmm Hmm.
Sid: Did He say anything?
Michelle: No, he just smiled.
Sid: Did you know that it was Him?
Michelle: Oh yeah.
Sid: Even though He was in revival gear, but okay.
Michelle: It’s His eyes; you can recognize His eyes anywhere.
Sid: Well, tell me about His eyes, I haven’t seen His eyes.
Michelle: Well, they’re filled with love you could just drown in them, and you know He’s not the fair haired blond haired little pansy small guy that we see in most of the paintings He looks very Middle Eastern, He looks Jewish, image that. And I mean He had dark hair and He had dark eyes and when you look into His eyes it’s like the Iris’s around His pupil are like mosaics dark from a distance, but when you get up close they are like mosaics of every color an eye could have all in one and they’re the most beautiful, beautiful thing that you will ever see. And so I mean you can just recognize Him.
Sid: Okay, so the top of the plane has disappeared.
Michelle: I just saw it disappear over where I was sitting and it was like this vacuum tunnel suction thing right up into the throne room.
Sid: Was there anything scary about it?
Michelle: No not really, not really once I figured out that the top of the plane was still there in the natural.
Sid: Okay so you find yourself in heaven with Jesus.
Michelle: Yeah and we started to dance because I love to dance and I always have two legs in heaven so I never have crutches in heaven. So I like to go there quite frequently.
Sid: Do you have any pain?
Michelle: No, none.
Sid: I wouldn’t think so,
Michelle: (Laughing) Not a bit and so it’s a good vacation.
Sid: So do you go there often?
Michelle: As often as I can. (Laughing)
Sid: Can you during prayer will yourself to go to heaven or are you taken or?
Michelle: I believe you can position yourself to be able to experience more of God’s presence and you can positionally put yourself there by faith, but you can’t make anything happen. I mean it’s Holy Spirit that shows you things.
Sid: Okay, you have your two legs.
Michelle: I have my two legs and Jesus and I were dancing, and all of a sudden the scene changed and we were dancing on the trash heaps of the world, on the leper colonies, and the refugee camps, and the red light districts, and wherever people were broken and forgotten and hurting. And we were dancing, and wherever we danced it was like everything was in monochrome like grey scale. As we danced the river of life began to flow and color happened and barren wilderness began to burst forth into life and beauty. And Jesus looked into my eyes and He said, “Beloved I know that you’d love to stay here, but and I’d love to have you here with Me but I can’t have a wedding without a bride and there’s whole pieces of My bride that are missing in nations. And will you go with Me to be My face to them, will you go with Me to find my lost bride? He’s longing for His bride, He’s longing for His bride in the nations.
Sid: Did He tell you what people groups are lost in His bride?
Michelle: No, not specifically not specifically by name, but they’re everywhere they are pieces of His lost bride right here in America that we don’t have eyes to see.
Sid: Give me examples of part of His lost bride.
Michelle: I believe the new age movement, the people that so often times we in church are afraid of and run from or we don’t want to look.
Sid: How about the person with tattoos up and down their arms in so many ear rings there isn’t room to put any more.
Michelle: Absolutely, absolutely (Laughing), you got it. The homeless man on the street corner, the Vietnam vet that…
Sid: Out of curiosity there’s a homeless man that walks by my office I see him maybe a couple times a month, and he’s deranged, I mean that’s why, I mean there’s different reasons people are homeless that’s why he’s homeless. I bought him a meal once, I gave him a couple of dollars, but I could see there wasn’t much I could do for him. What would you do for him?
Michelle: Well, I think I would look to see what Jesus was doing in the situation that I encountered him, but I would stop and see him, I’d stop and talk to him and I would ask Jesus how could I be the face of your love in the moment that I’m in, because I think oftentimes people ask me this all the time, don’t you get overwhelmed by the need and by the overwhelming I mean…
Sid: Sure, just the nation you’re in Sudan, I mean it’s unlimited need!
Michelle: Absolutely, but we have a God with limitless love and my love is limited. His isn’t and He hasn’t called me to love the whole nation at one time. He’s called me to love the nation one person at a time.
Sid: Now I’ve always thought when I’ve read the gospels that the key if you will and I’m one of these logical people, one of my greatest advantages and one of my greatest disadvantages, the key if you will for the release for the miraculous is compassion. How can someone get this compassion more than they have? How can I have the compassion you have, I already told you before we went on the air I want you to pray that I have that compassion.
Michelle: All I really know is I spent the last ten years asking for it and saying “God I want to love with Your love and I want to see with Your eyes.” And every time I step into a situation that stretches my compassion threshold where I want to run from it and I don’t want to see I pray that prayer again, I say “God I need more love, my love is too small I need more of Your love.
Sid: Are there times that you want to run because things are so overwhelming?
Michelle: Of course!
Sid: Welcome to the human race.
Michelle: Well, yeah! (Laughing)
Sid: I mean it’s got to be, I know you’re called but that’s got to be a hard call to Sudan.
Michelle: On one hand it is, but on the other hand there’s so much joy in it. You know Jesus endured the cross for the joy set before Him. So I believe that when God give us a call even when it leads to a hard road, or it appears to be there’s so much joy in seeing God show up and life transformed that it’s for the joy set before us, and I’m absolutely not a miserable missionary. I’m a happy missionary.
Sid: What’s it like dancing with Jesus?
Michelle: Freedom, it’s like flying, it’s like flying, it’s like its total and complete freedom, it really is and dancing with Him I don’t think a plan is going to win the world and see Him come back but I do believe a dance will. As we dance with Him through the harvest fields of His dreams.