SID: Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter Here with Dr. Pat Holliday and I have to tell you I feel like the presence of God is all over us. And you know what that means? It’s about ready to be poured out through your television sets right now. Now Pat, you told me some amazing miracles took place in Trinidad. What happened?
PAT: Yes, I was ministering in a church that had about a thousand people in there. God was working miracles and all of a sudden, it was finished, but I looked out at this woman and I said “Don’t you want a miracle too?” She said “Yes” and she came up, but before she said “Every time I hear the name of Jesus I get scared and I don’t know what that is.” I said “Oh I know what that is.”
SID: I’m sure you do.
PAT: So come on up, so she came up and Sid, her face was like this twisted – about that far sideways. The whole face -it looked like somebody had just punched her in the jaw right. So I laid my hands on her. I felt the Lord’s hands come upon my hand. And then supernaturally it felt like clay being molded.
SID: You could feel this under your hand?
PAT: Yeah it just felt like, you know, clay. And her eyes were like this, straight ahead you know. And then all of a sudden she blinked at me like this. And she started running around the church. She said “I’m healed! I can see! I can see!” And I didn’t really even know that she could not see.
SID: You were just praying for the disfigurement in her face.
PAT: Yeah and so what happened was she came back up. And I took her and I said “Let’s get rid of the fear of Jesus.” And so I called the witchcraft power out of her. And when I did she got deliverance instantly. But her little nephew came up to me and “He said that’s my grandma.” He said I live right underneath her. And he said at nighttime I can hear her growling like some kind of an animal. And I said “Son, tell your grandma never to go back to the witch doctor.” Now the word that the Lord gave me when I called the spirit out was obeda. And so I asked the pastor I said “What does the word obeda mean?” He said “That means witch doctor down here.” So she had been going to the witch doctor.
SID: Now how did you know that word? How did you know, in their language, the name of that spirit?
PAT: God gave it to me through a word of knowledge.
SID: You operate that way a lot; in other words you know what the spirits are inside of people.
PAT: Sometimes you can see them. Sometimes it comes through a word of knowledge. And other times you just walk up and cast it out. You see them sometimes. You hear the Lord’s voice sometimes. And other times – you’ve done it so long; I’ve done this for 30 years. That you just know God doesn’t have to do anything. You just see it and know it.
SID: There is such a presence of God right now. What does God want you to do?
PAT: What does he want me to do? I want to tell you what God told me. He said America is filled with people infiltrating the church. The pastors can’t see them, but there’s an army that God has trained in the deliverance ministry as he has me. And I’m telling you pastor, if you want revival to come to this land, you’re going to have to pull in the other third of the Bible where Jesus was casting out devils. And you might say “Oh I can’t do that; it’s undignified. Let me tell you it’s a crime to see people demon possessed and send them to psychiatrists and psychologists. And they never get free. A lot of them just walk out of the church because they find no power there. You need to get on your knees and pray and ask God to reveal to you the power of God. You’ll never walk without it once you’ve have it.
SID: You know Pat, I am feeling such a presence of God right now. I believe there are people that pains in their fingers. It’s arthritis but I command in Yeshua; that’s Hebrew, in Yeshua’s name, that that spirit causing the arthritis be bound. And in Yeshua’s name come out. And there are other people that your back is just bothering you. You know who you are. If you will, this is a gift from God for you right now. And yes, the people with the neck problem move your head. Actually any sort of pain; if you’ll bend your back or move your head. But you know what? I believe that any pain in your body is being lifted. Right now in Yeshua’s name. And I believe that. Very quickly Pat, would you break curses over people right now?
PAT: Yes, in the name of Jesus. Father, I take authority over every person that’s looking at this program; every Christian. I say that the Bible says that Jesus Christ took the curses when he hung on the tree according to Galatians. And I break those curses that are shown in the word over every single person and at the same time I release you from your bondages; all kinds of bondages. Those healings that just took place; a lot of times it’s just a devil. And we command those tormenting spirits to come out of you in Jesus’ name. And release God’s people. You no longer can have hold of God’s people in America. We’re breaking it all over the world. And I say in the name of Jesus, I release the blessings to come into you right now.
SID: And the greatest blessing that can come into you. Right now is for you to know God for yourself. Don’t because Dr. Pat does or I do; it’s up to you to. Tell God you’re sorry for what you’ve…tell him you believe Jesus died in your place and by his blood you are forgiven; in your own words. And then your sins will be washed away. And as you’re clean you can open yourself up. And say Jesus, live inside of me, be real to me. I want to know you. I want real peace, real shalom. I’m tired with the junk. I want the real thing.
Sid: When that wall comes down, that’s why Jesus was so excited about the wall coming down between Jew and Gentile. When that wall comes down it will form, according to Paul a full dwelling place of God by His Spirit. So you see the magnitude of it, but in the meantime, as this is beginning to happen and you just look at Israel, and you can see the pressure on Jewish people today. And I believe that we’re about ready to see the spiritual scales come off the eyes of Jewish people, especially in Israel and the rest of the world like no generation has ever seen. You know I think that Jewish people are the most love starved people on the face of this earth. And when a Christian has A Revelation Of Father God and God’s love begins to flow through them, they begin to live in God’s love; their walking in joy, their walking in His love 24-7. I don’t see how anyone can resist the love of God the Father and my guest has experienced this love. And I believe that she was raised up by God to demonstrate and teach His love; the revelation of His love; how to walk in His love; how to have intimacy with God the Father. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that AJ Jones was raised in a dysfunctional, may not be the right word; it’s a worse word but I don’t know what it is it is a dysfunctional family. Both of her parents drank, her father was a raging alcoholic and she was so afraid of him that her mother literally put a lock on the closet door so that AJ could go into the closet and put a lock on so to protect her from her father. And she was thrown, at three years of age she was thrown down a flight of stairs by her father when he was a drunken stupor. And she had severe asthma to the point that she spent many months in an oxygen tent to the point where she had to live with her grandparents and there was a time though, I asked her about if she knew God. She really didn’t, if she was born again, she really wasn’t. And she was upset with her sister, there was not only problems with her mother and father but with her siblings and she wanted to hurt her sister. Her sister was having a Birthday party, she figured if she could do something else that would really hurt her sister. So of all things AJ you go to a youth Bible camp meeting, tell me about that.
AJ: Well, it was kind of funny, because my cousin had invited me to about forty-eight of them before this point, but I wasn’t really motivated to go until you know, this moment when I wanted to hurt my sister. So I remember packing my bags and leaving in the front hall so that when my sister got home she would see that I was leaving and as I left the house I felt like okay my goal has now been accomplished, I don’t even care what happens the rest of the weekend. But apparently God had a bigger plan than that and so we drove up to this Baptist Retreat Center. And I’m pretty sure I was the only person there that didn’t know Jesus, you know. They all knew the songs and they all you know knew when to sit and stand and clap and that kind of stuff and I was just sort of completely out of my depth. But I remember sitting in this service and the preacher you know was talking and he said, “What am I, and he started asking these questions,” So he said, “What am I, I have four legs and I stand in a family and I have a soft back and I’m a soft back and I’m a cherished possession. And I was thinking to myself, dude you’re a dog and we’re not kids here, can we move on; I want to get out of this service and I want to go play in the snow; and I just really wasn’t connecting. And then he put up this overhead of a chair and I remember looking at this chair, this picture of a chair and I was totally confused and he said, “You know you can know everything about something and still miss what it is. You can know how to describe it, you can explain the story of Christmas you know, but you can still miss what the message was. And he went on to talk about the love of God. And I remember the first time in my life, thinking to myself, “If what this man is saying is true, then somebody loves me, not my bother more or my sister more, but somebody actually loves me. And if that’s true, then just tell me where to sign, you know. So it was it was a huge moment for me to think, I’m now the age of fifteen and I’m thinking somebody actually loves me, maybe this is going to change everything.
Sid: So, you really had an experience with the love of God, but you go home, you still have your asthma you’re dealing with, you still have the anorexic condition; you still are suicidal; and you’re in school. How old were you when your mother came and interrupted everything and you’re in class and you’re embarrassed and you want her out!
AJ: Yeah, I was just shortly after I got saved actually, it was actually about six months after I got saved and God had been knocking on my heart about forgiving my Dad. And with me the way God did that was that everywhere I went I would hear a message on forgiveness and I was just like, “What!” But every time I heard a message on forgiveness, my answer was, No, he doesn’t deserve it. And so in the midst of all of that I’m writing this exam in high school and my mom comes in while I’m writing the exam and says to the teacher, “You know Allison needs to come with me right now and she’ll finish her exam later.” And I had a lot of attitude as a teenager and so I said to my mom in front of all these students, “You know, clearly I’m writing an exam and I’ll see you in the hallway when I’m done.” And so my mom said, in front of all these students your father’s in the hospital; he’s not going to make it; you need to come and say goodbye right now. And so you know, I just looked at her and said, “I said goodbye a year and a half ago, let him die” and just went back to writing my exam. I had really long hair at the time and my mom actually used my hair to get me out of the classroom which wasn’t a great moment for me in high school. And we went to the hospital to go and say goodbye to my Dad.
Sid: He wanted to see only one member of the family, and of all the members of your family, I would have thought you would have been the least likely, but he could only see one member and he said, “I want to see AJ,” what did you think when you heard that?
AJ: Yeah, well I freaked out, I mean I didn’t know why he was there, you know I didn’t know what had happened to get him in the hospital and basically this was on a Monday, on a Friday my Dad and my sister had been talking and my Dad had said, “I want to have a relationship with Allison again.” And so my sister had said to him, “You need to stop drinking” and so he did, but he ended up having a massive seizure because he didn’t get any help and he had been drinking a lot for a number of years. And so he fell down a bunch of stairs and was found unconscious.
Sid: And you didn’t know the reason that he was dying; that he fell down those stairs, was to have a relationship with you.
AJ: Yeah, yeah, and I mean so yeah I had no idea so he had split his head open and he’d split his tongue in half and there was a bunch of internal bleeding and there was broken ribs and just craziness, but I standing in the hospital having no idea that him being there had anything to do with me. And then the doctor comes out and says “We’re going to let one of you go and see him” and I didn’t want to go so my brother and sister that were actually his favorite kids out of the four of us started fighting over who was going to go in and see him. And I was sitting there reading cheesy romance novel pretending that this wasn’t my family and this wasn’t my life and…
Sid: And just out of curiosity was that your escape in life?
AJ: That was my escape; I mean I read… I’m talking about those 4 to 600 page romance novels. I would read one…
Sid: My mother use to do that, but I never could understand but now I do understand why she use to read those things all the time, she was escaping reality.
AJ: Yeah, yeah so that’s what I was doing, trying to escape the emergency room. So anyway yeah, so the doctor came back out, he went in and said to my Dad that “Here’s the kids that are here,” my one brother wasn’t there. He came back out and he said that, “He wants to see Allison.” And I didn’t want to go, but my mother started yelling at me in the emergency room so I went to escape my mom, I went with the doctor and I was terrified. I hadn’t seen my Dad in over a year and half and I was just really scared and I guess I must have been shaking because the doctor, when we got to you know the emergency room’s was just like a bed with a little curtain around it, it wasn’t like a separate little room per person or anything. And so when we got to the end of his bed, he said, “He’s in there and I’ll stand right here.” And I was like, “Okay,” and so he must had realized I was afraid, I don’t know why he would have said that. But I remember going around the curtain and my Dad was lying there and I had never seen him look weak, and they had sewed his head back up and sewed his tongue back together and stuff but he looked really rough. So when I came in he…
Sid: When he had a seizure and fell down the stairs, how many stairs was it?
AJ: I think it was ninety-two.
Sid: My goodness, that’s quite a fall!
AJ: Yeah, and their straight down so it was in a like a townhouse development that was kind of raised up so it was several floors worth of stairs, but they just went straight down into the parking garage.
Sid: Now, what was the doctor’s prognosis on your father?
AJ: Well, the doctor said that they basically they had you know managed to sew up a bunch of things, but they couldn’t get the bleeding internally to stop and so they didn’t believe that he was going to make it through the night.
Sid: Oops were out of time again, I’m sorry; we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Gary and Faye Whetstone. And I mean did you ever see the movie – what was it? …Over the cuckoo…?
GARY: “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest“
SID: “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.” I saw that movie and my guest lived that movie!You know what a lobotomy is? That’s where they reduce you to being a 2 year old.No hope of reversal.I mean a horrible fate, and Gary was about ready to have one of these.But let’s go back. Here you’re a good student.You’re a star athlete.Everything’s going your way and a freak accident.What happened to you?
GARY: I hit a car head on, sledding when I was probably in ninth grade and it drove my arm straight through my back.And that’s where my football arm was, my swimming arm, my tennis arm; everything I did was gone.
SID: Yes but you still could be a good student, so what’s the deal?
GARY: My identity was built on my performance, and I lost all motivation.Had no desire to succeed, had no desire to learn, no desire to relate to the same relationships; because all of my friends were gone.
SID: So your friends were gone.You got new friends, so what were you involved in?
GARY: Well the problem was the new friends; now my brother was the president of the pagan motorcycle club at the time; and my swing went from the student council president, captain of the football team, all the way over to the organized crime world.And I still had some mental capacity to me, but I had such a low self-image, it was the most tormented life you could ever imagine.Until one day I walked into a house.I was carrying what you carry when you’re doing your drug dealing.And these people were massacred.My mind snapped just like a twig.The next thing I knew, all I heard was voices inside my mind.And SidI went as insane as any human being could ever be insane.
SID: You actually went into someone’s house and you thought it was your house? Explain.
GARY: Right after that,I literally turned into a raving maniac.And I would have these voices go off inside of me.And one of them told me that this woman was my wife, that was my house, and everything in there was mine.I kicked in the front door, knocked over the fish tank.Her husband came down, started fighting; knocked him out.She ended up calling 911, and the next thing I knew I was up against a fence with a sawed off shotgun in my mouthwith the S.W.A.T. team.And I was just kicking the guy between the legs, telling him go ahead and blow my head off.I don’t care.From that point
SID: You can understand how some of these people that hear these voices:Son of Sam, et cetera;I mean you experienced it.
GARY: It’s very real.It is not a joke.It’s not just hype.It’s not stories, because when the state police took me; it turned out that the woman’s home that I broke into was actually a psychiatric nurse.And if that wasn’t the grace of God;she pleaded that there was a mental condition this person had and not to press charges.And they certainly had the right to do it.And they took me to the mental hospital, and after a period of time I ended up being locked up in an isolated area.And I literally turned into an experimental guinea pig for the state of Delaware.
SID: How…At your worst moment, what were you like in that mental institution?
GARY: Well they would shoot me up with Thorazine and Melareal and all these different drugs that would knock a horse out.And I lived in a padded cell that I’d eat out of the same pan I’d go to the bathroom in every day; and it absolutely had no effect on me.I had a little tiny hole in the window and my knuckles would just be blood raw with the rage.And the anger and the torment that was in my mind.Because I wasn’t allowed to be with anybody in an open population;they kept me totally isolated.
SID: Now did they explain to you about this experimental electronic lobotomy they were going to do to you? Did they even bother explaining to you?
GARY: Well, one day they took me into a psychiatrist’s office where they would restrain my hands and my feet; and my parents had already signed a waiver of the state, that if they had killed me or permanently maimed me, there was no legal recourse.And I was notified that I had lost all constitutional rights as a human being; and that I no longer was a citizen.I was now a ward of the state for an experimental program; and they explained they were going to drill a hole; somewhere about 3 inches around; insert an electric probe into the lobule area of the brain, and remove all memory; which would reduce me to about a 3 year old.
SID: At that point did it bother you they were going to do this?
GARY: Well,I had heard that this had happened to people, but I’d also heard that no one ever lived through it.
SID: Now where did they come up with such a horrible experiment?
GARY: Well one of the interesting points was that, years later I was with another psychiatrist that I had talked to; and he said that this procedure was developed in Auschwitz during the time of the Nazi concentration with the Jews.It was actually one of the processes that they had used for behavioral control of the Jewish people in the concentration camps.
SID: So two days before they’re going to reduce you to a vegetable or die, a man starts talking to you.Where did he come from?
GARY: You know the only thing I can say is a friend of mine that I had in school had gone to a church one day and begged this preacher to come and meet me.And they had me restrained with my hands and feet, but they took me out of that isolation area.And I went into the solarium and they locked the door.And they took the things off my hands and feet.And I’m thinking, what are they doing this for? And I look up and this man is sitting there and he says “Gary?”And I said “Yeah?” He said “The power of sin is going to kill you.”I thought sin was the procedure they were going to do, and I thought he was the priest giving me the last rites.I wasn’t Catholic, but I figured somebody sent him in and told me that this was… But I was so drugged up.I couldn’t even think.And then I really don’t remember the words that he said, but I do know that I heard this word “Jesus and heart.”And the next thing I knew,I was on the carpet.I was just crying and crying and crying.I couldn’t figure out what happened.Then I got up off the carpet and my mind cleared.Voices were gone; the torment was gone; the anger, the rage, the mental desire to attack was gone.
SID: Yeah, but in two days they’re going to make you a vegetable,and now you really understand it.Did you tell the doctors you’re ok?
GARY: Well,I said to the guy that came in,I said “What did you do?” He said “You’re saved.”I said “What’s that?” He said “You’re born again.”I said “What’s that?” He said “I’m sorry I have another appointment.”I said “You can’t leave me.What did you do to me?” I didn’t know who he was.So they let me back into my isolation area and all night long,I just beat on that window and just told them “I’m sane!I’m sane!”And finally after about 8 hours, the orderly came by and he says “What do you want?” I said “I’m sane!”He said “Right!”I said “I’ve got to see the head psychiatrist.”Well after a period of time, they came back in; shackled me back up again; led me right back to the head psychiatrist; sat me down and took the restraints off my hands; which I’m thinking “This guy is like the other guy, because I’m free”so this is going to work out great.So I’m sitting there.My mind is clear and I said to him “I’m sane.”He said “You’re sane?” I said “Yeah.”He said,“Tell me what happened to you.”I said “A man came in, told me, I don’t know what these words are, but I’m saved and I’m born again.I don’t know what they are but…And he told me that God is in me and I now can think.”
SID: What did he say to you?
GARY: He said “Do you believe that now God is in you?” I said “Yeah.That’s it.God’s in me.”He said “You realize that this is now a further digression of your acute state of paranoia, multiple personality disorder,” and he goes on with this list of things.And I realized he didn’t believe me.And as soon as this clicked in, he didn’t believe me,I lunged over the top of that table; grabbed him…
SID: Now he’s really going to believe you?
GARY: You know not everybody knows how to act like they’re supposed to when they come out of a mental hospital. The only problem was I was still in.I wasn’t out yet.
SID: But you heard a voice and this voice said “Run!”What did you do? What did it mean?
GARY: Well, he obviously hit a panic button and the orderlies came and chained me back up again.And I’m on my way back to my isolation ward; only this time what they did was they didn’t want to handle me.Because when you’re violent in that area, they just kind of guide you by open and shut doors.And I was in a hallway that actually had open windows.Not open, but they were chained.They had bars and gates on them and stuff like that,the windows. But there was a double set of doors there that were double locked with chains around it and all that.And it was snowing outside and I had property of the state hospital pants and t-shirt on, and socks.Of course they don’t give you shoes because of the threat of, you know.And I hear this voice –“Run!” And I’m used to hearing voices so the only difference is this one’s different.And I’m talking to this voice.“Ok, run?Ok, run where?” If I run back and forth there’s only 5 feet between that wall and that wall.Well I’d been running back and forth in my padded cell for a long time so that wouldn’t get me anywhere.And then I thought, well if I run this way that guard is down there watching me.He’s going to open the door.If I run back this way, the guy is going to push me back that way.So where am I going to go? I hear this voice say “Run!” I said “Ok where?” And as soon as that happened,I looked over to the left and there were two deadbolts on that door; and they were both opened.And they were keyed deadbolts and the padlocks were opened.
GARY: The door was actually unlocked and I escaped out of that mental hospital that day in November.
SID: You know this is very supernatural.It’s impossible what he did, but rather than going through this lobotomy, he went out of a door in a high security mental institution!Walked out with guards and everything!Don’t go away!Boy, wait till you find out what happened next!
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah. She’s a Jewish Believer in the Messiah like myself, and she is the Co Producer of “Its Supernatural” television and “Messianic Vision” radio, Janie DuVall. And were talking this week about the gift that’s been hijacked and it’s called in the Bible, in the Greek Literal in Acts 6:4 it’s called “the prayer”. Not prayer but “the prayer” in the Greek. And what was “the prayer?” “The prayer” was something that we could do continually and what was the results of doing “the prayer” continually? I mean 24-7; the results were there was revival in the land. Rabbis, Jewish Rabbis became believers in Jesus. People were full of faith and power and they were doing wonderful signs. When? When they were able to pray in “the prayer” and “the prayer” is supernatural languages or tongues. And I was reminiscing with Janie as a new believer in the Messiah I use to pray in tongues at least an hour every day. And I didn’t realize what I was doing but I was praying my future. And I like to say that I heard from God and I started radio when I heard from God; I started one of the first Messianic Jewish Synagogues in modern times the United States of America and I heard from God and I started television show and I heard from God and actually this one I did. I did have a dream and we published “They Thought For Themselves” which we have over a million in print. We are about ready to send two million evangelistic books to two million Jewish households in America. But I can’t say that because I literally was pushed into all of these wonderful things. The only one that I heard from God on was I had a dream to write the book “They Thought For Themselves.” And God told me that I would reach more Jewish people with that than I have ever done, and it has turned to be a dream from God. But Janie some of the things, I mean it’s so funny it’s ridiculous. Like when I go into starting one of the first Messianic Jewish Synagogues in America I wanted nothing to do with it. I was a brand new believer, and we had a group called the Hebrew Christian Alliance, which is now called the Messianic Jewish Alliance. I was the head of it, and we had a picnic. One of the members, Paul Lieberman, said “my wife will never to a church she is too Jewish, and the church is too gentile for her. So what are going to do? Let’s start a Messianic Jewish Synagogue.” Well I never heard of such a thing. I thought it was absolutely ridiculous, but we knew nothing. So what do I know, in a synagogue you have a vote. So I had a vote of the members and they voted let’s have one service. So I said let’s have one, and that is how I got pushed, and I mean pushed into being involved in pioneering Messianic Judaism in America. I believe because I prayed in supernatural languages that’s why that happened. Now then with radio it was even worse, what do I say by worse? God put me in the oil business and I didn’t have to work much and God was blessing it beyond my wildest imagination and we needed a Rabbi for a Messianic Synagogue I was senior man and I was less than a year old in the Lord. And I hadn’t even read the entire Bible so we got a wonderful Messianic Jewish Rabbi by the name of Manny Brotman. And I volunteered my services with him and one day he started a radio show. He asked me to be the announcer I said no Manny I’ll do anything you ask but I will not be behind a microphone, he insisted. I proved to him that I was awful he still insisted that I keep doing it. I mean I was an awful announcer.
Janie: I can’t imagine.
Sid: I was awful. And then horror of all horrors, Janie, every interview something would happen and he couldn’t do the interview and if I didn’t do the interview there would be no show. So I was forced to do it and being forced to do it I realized that this was a gift that God had given me. I mean you could imagine my thoughts Janie, I’ll run out of things to say. Will just have silence. I mean the devil was having a field day with me I wanted to be on the business side of ministry but I was forced to do a radio show. And then the TV show is just as supernatural, “It’s Supernatural.” Now Janie was with me for the birth of the TV show and she knows that one day I got a phone call from a friend of mine and she said I’ve deposited $25,000 into Crossroads Communication, that’s a Christian television network in Canada. I wanted to bless them and I want to bless you. Start your TV show before I could tell her that we don’t have a TV show she hung up, and so we went up to Toronto, Canada and we started a television show. That’s the birth. So you can see I was pushed literally pushed into these things but the question that I ask you is why was I pushed into these things? I now know, because of all of those years of praying. All of those hours in supernatural languages, it was the Bible calls it a mystery. I was prophesying my future. I was putting it out in the atmosphere, I couldn’t help but do it even though my mind didn’t want to do it. Is that amazing Janie or is that amazing! It’s amazing to me!
Janie: But you know sometimes we get those thoughts in our head “Oh what is this doing I’m just praying in the Spirit and what is this doing?” And I also want to mention this, you know a lot of people who you have interviewed and who have had amazing things happen to them. And this past year so many even said, the key in my life of seeing Angels, the key of seeing supernatural provision and miracles and healing have been that I’ve been praying in the Spirit. But I want to say this, you know there are some people who pray in the Spirit and they feel like this really sounds really fake. I mean one of your guests I won’t mentioned their names but I have heard them praying in the Spirit and it sounds like they only have a few words. But I have to tell you the miracles that is in their life it doesn’t matter what their prayer language sounds like.
Sid: Janie there are people listening to us that were like us. Years ago they prayed a lot in supernatural languages, now it is the leftover. It’s the backroom and I believe they are going to get started again but there are many who have never prayed in supernatural languages and many of those listening to us have friends that they want to help move into this gift. So that’s why I’m so excited to release this week our brand new DVD called “Supernatural Languages Supernatural Power” and two CDS’s in which I do teaching and which I interviewed some people that were leaders in the Charismatic Movement of their experiences in the early days of speaking in tongues and between these two CDS’s and this DVD. And explain to the people about the DVD.
Janie: Well, the DVD we had a meeting at our home congregation. We invited people who were hungry who want to pray in the Spirit and to invite people who have never done it. So some people invited people who were not even interested in doing it at all and even kind of thought this is crazy. But when we had the meeting people’s eyes were opened spiritually. All of the sudden they saw why I need it. They were hungry for it and from children to older people all these people started praying in the Spirit who had never done it before.
Sid: You know it was like the old days when we first became believers in the Messiah and you know something that we haven’t even talked about yet. One of the most wonderful things that I saw as a new believer in Messiah was singing in the Spirit it was so orchestrated it was hard to believe that these people didn’t know each other when they came in. They didn’t have any words and it sounded like a perfect symphony and we did that that night and it got caught on this DVD. What was it like Janie?
Janie: It sounded like singing like angels and I want you to hear it now. (recorded excerpt)
Sid: Okay, I want to get this kit in your hands, it’s called “Supernatural Languages Supernatural Power”. It’s a DVD of that special meeting that I had, what an anointing on it and it’s two CDS’s that were done something like twenty years ago with people that were Leaders in the Charismatic Movement telling their secrets.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. And this is Thanksgiving, and there is one couple that is so excited because they had a miracle on Thanksgiving. Her husband was trying to get home to her and the little plane went down in the ocean. People didn’t know where it was. He was in the freezing water for 40 hours, literally passed out, sharks swimming all around. Everyone should have given up. But his wife didn’t give up. She knew about the wonderful promises in the 91st Psalm and began praying them. And her husband knew about those promises. He didn’t lose his cool. He just stood on those promises. And we call it a Thanksgiving miracle, and I believe as you see this, you too, are going to have a Thanksgiving miracle. But Peggy Joyce Ruth, you know, it says, “To much is given there’s more responsibility.” You were given your life back as far as I can see. You wanted to share the Good News with a Buddhist housewife. You go there. What happened?
PEGGY: I was a little Baptist girl and I didn’t know about spiritual warfare. But I just didn’t want her going to hell. And so I went over and I started sharing with her and she said, “If you’ll give me equal time.” Well that sounded reasonable. And so she said, “I just want you to keep an open mind.” Well I’ve often said that I kept such an open mind that my brain fell out. I didn’t find it for another eight years. But I left her house that day absolutely terrified.
SID: And in a state of confusion.
PEGGY: Complete confusion.
SID: And you know, this shouldn’t have happened, but it happened. And for eight years she went through hell. She had electric shock treatments. But just as it happened, suddenly she started reading books about people that found such joy that were filled with the spirit of God and began speaking in supernatural languages. So she got prayer for that and what happened?
PEGGY: I received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. My husband and we were actually in New Orleans at a Pepsi Cola meeting and we both received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And for the next two years, now keep in mind I had been tormented for eight years. I can’t even begin to describe the torment. For two years I was in the most peace. It was just wonderful. It was like a honeymoon with the Lord.
SID: But then that spirit of fear, as he often does, tried to come back and she wasn’t prepared, and that came back. But you had a vision in which you were really instructed, “It’s time to become a true follower in the Messiah. It’s time to meditate on his promises.” And this was all new for you. And then you went through what is known as deliverance. But the thing that really did it was you had a question for God.
PEGGY: Yes. And I had asked the Lord, is there any way to be delivered and protected from all the things that we see coming on the earth? Because I was just hearing about Christians dying of cancer, having car wrecks. And so I said, is there any way to be protected? And I really wasn’t expecting an answer. But I lay down and went to sleep. I was only asleep like five minutes, but in that five minutes I had the most unusual spiritual dream.
SID: Tell me about it.
PEGGY: It was wonderful. I was out in this open field and I was asking the same question, Lord is there any way to be protected from all the things I see coming on the earth? And in the dream out of Heaven I heard the voice of God say, “In your day of trouble call on me and I will answer.” Well in the dream I just remembered that I got so excited I just thought I was just going to explode, I was so excited. And all of a sudden the field was full of people, just filled up. And we were all rejoicing and praising God, and singing, and so excited we could hardly stand it. Well I came away. I knew it was a spiritual dream.
SID: It was an answer to your question.
PEGGY: It was an answer to my question and God had spoken to me. But I didn’t even know that was a scripture. I had no idea what it meant, but I knew that God had spoken to me. The next day I heard the pastor’s wife just make a comment on a tape about Psalm 91. She said nothing else about Psalm 91, but I knew in my heart it was like it exploded on the inside of me. And I knew that whatever was in that psalm was my answer. And I almost tore up my Bible turning to Psalm 91. And when I got there, there was the exact statement that God had made in the dream.
SID: Wait a second. Yeah, the statement was there, but isn’t this a little obsessive, for 35 years you have been studying Psalm 91?
PEGGY: After I found out about Psalm 91, yes. I’ve studied it for 35 years.
SID: Why? I mean, you just read it, you know it.
PEGGY: Well there’s a lot more to it then just reading through it. And as I studied the psalm I found out that every evil known to man is covered in that psalm. It is a covenant. And in 1 Peter, I found out later that in 1 Peter 1:3-5, it tells us that we’re to thank God for the fact that we’re born again. We’re to thank Him for the fact that there’s an inheritance light up in Heaven, and then to thank Him for a protection covenant ready to be revealed in the end days, and that’s in the New American Standard. And I thought, that’s what it is. God has revealed this covenant and it was ready to be revealed in these end days, because we have so much coming against us. And if we don’t take God’s promises we’re going to go down just like everybody else, you know, just like the non-believer. But if we’ll take God’s promises it works.
SID: She has been studying Psalm 91 and she’s got it in every fiber of her being, and you heard what she said. It’s a covenant for protection against anything. Anything means sickness.
Anything means robbery. Anything means family problems. Anything means mental, emotional problems. Anything, anything. It’s so wonderful, Peggy Joyce Ruth, and you’ve investigated stories of people, especially, you know what excites me?
PEGGY: What is that?
SID: All of the people that you’ve talked with in military that have used Psalm 91 and it saved their life. One that comes to mind.
PEGGY: Well I loved going to Pagosa Springs and speaking to John Walker. He was in World War II. He had been sent to the Philippines. This is before the war actually started. And he was lying on his cot and his buddy was digging a foxhole, and the buddy called to him and he thought, oh I don’t want to go do that. And so he waited and the buddy called three times, and he finally got up, and as soon as he left his spot a bomb fell right where he had been lying. [explosion] And he got up there and the buddy had never called his name.
Man: I didn’t say anything.
John Walker: You didn’t call me?
Man: I didn’t say anything.
John Walker: Then who did?
PEGGY: And he knew then that God had a call on his life and it was his brother, who was a preacher back home, who was standing on Psalm 91, and everyday he was quoting Psalm 91 protection over that brother who was in the Philippines.
SID: You see what I mean. Wait ‘til you find out a woman that’s attacked by a rapist, another person that gets a dread disease. All of that is healed in Psalm 91. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.
Sid: My guest and I have had him on previously and I’m sure you are familiar with him John Paul Jackson. The Last time I interviewed John Paul we were talking about his DVD “The Perfect Storm.” And actually, as I understand it God began speaking to you, John Paul about what’s coming on the world as early as 1980, but you were not released to even talk about it until about 2008. You listed a number of things and a number of different arenas that the Spirit of God showed you was going to happen. Just out of curiosity tell me a couple of things that you had seen that have already taken place.
John Paul: Well one of the, first of all Sid, it’s great to be with you again, and thank you very much. The issue of the perfect storm has been kind of an enigma to me. It is one of those things where it pains you to see things coming to pass that you have been shown. At the same time it reinforced your belief that God is still God and nothing has changed with Him. He is still the same yesterday, today and forever. And so with that in mind you take a look and you see for example Russia is having the unusually hot summer. They had the hottest summer in their history. You have California in our continent and Washington having the coldest summers in their history. So much so that there is fruit on the vines strawberries etc. they cannot even harvest because they aren’t ripening and so they even end up rottening. Many of the crops are rotting because there is not enough heat to cause them to ripen. So one of the five things that we talked about was geophysical events that would be taking place in the world and here in the United States that substantiate this idea or the prophetic word the Lord gave me of the perfect storm. There was five things they showed: religion, politics, economics, war and geophysical issues. You see the escalation of events in Iran now that seemingly are saying with the loading of the nuclear reactor it is just a matter of time until somebody has to do something and so you see the signs pointing toward the reactors being hit by some type of explosive device of some kind.
Sid: Now you did speak in “The Perfect Storm” about Israel role there. What did you see?
John Paul: I saw Israel hitting Iran I saw the explosions being caused by Israel.
Sid: Now, I would have to think, not from a prophetic point but just cognizant of current events that this is coming up soon.
John Paul: Yeah, you would think because the nuclear reactor’s loaded the first of several that they are going to build. And I think there is maybe three now in operation and so all three of those would probably be filled with to the uranium and the cores. But then you know when the Lord started giving this to me they hadn’t even built the nuclear reactor and then in 2008 they weren’t even loading a nuclear reactor they were still arguing about whether they should build or not.
Sid: Now one of the things that you brought to my attention is that the Lord said that there would be an Islamic plot against the presidents of the United States for the sake of causing riots in America. In other words, they would hide the fact that there were Moslems that were going to do that. And you said to pray that this not happen, any more insight there?
John Paul: No, I haven’t, you know I keep praying obviously I pray daily over that issue that that would be diverted you know, until God tells me don’t pray like he told Amos, don’t pray for those people. I won’t hear you, I will not listen to you until I hear that coming from Him I’m going to continue to pray that it will be diverted because if that happens the blood bath that would erupt in the United States would be unprecedented.
Sid: It would be the worst thing that ever happened to America. The worst, and you told me before we went on the air that the Holy Spirit spoke something new to you about timing of the financial collapse in America.
John Paul: Right. Right, we have been talking about a bubble in the perfect storm and I said that there would come a bubble that it would looked like everything was getting better and so on and now I know that the bubble, and my prayer was that the bubble would last long enough to allow the Body of Christ to kind of get her act together and dissipate down, get her houses in order and so on before that hit or before the bubble broke. Now I know that 2011 is the year that the bubble breaks and so..
Sid: Hey, that’s coming up fast.
John Paul: It’s coming up fast. Right, I’m not saying that it’s going to happen on January the 1st.
Sid: You told me something about gold by the way. You told me that not all gold is gold. Tell me what you mean by that.
John Paul: There’s a surprise coming and this was you know, kind of unusual for me, and I’m still not even sure what it means. All I know is that not all gold is gold and know this that there is a surprise coming, where that many, even here in the United States they are going to find out that not all the gold we have in, for example I am guessing in Fort Knox, although he did not specifically say Fort Knox, that is just my sub sedition would be that not all gold we have in storage is gold and that there is somehow there is a type of counterfeit gold or there is something that fools people.
Sid: But, you know what, if that is the case then the value of gold will be worth even more. You know, I’m reminded of the, I believe an angel or there was a dream that your Mother had that you would be an eleventh hour prophet. Tell me about that.
John Paul: Right, my Mother had this visitation of an angel of the Lord to her before I was even conceived because she had had a miscarriage and the angel told her not to grieve any longer that she would have a son and that she was to call his name John Paul and that he would have an eleventh hour ministry and even that pregnancy would be a sign to that eleventh ministry. And she was pregnant with me eleven months. So I am sixty years old right now and I’m just figuring out what an eleventh hour ministry.
Sid: I was just going to ask you, I know what the terminology means but what does that mean to you?
John Paul: It means that in the last days and that’s when I was born for a time and that time is the last days. You know, what is a definition of the last days? There are all kinds of different definitions that are out there. My definition of it is basically a time period an immediately preceding the returning of the Lord.
Sid: Well, I happen to believe that this DVD that we offered awhile ago and it is still available on our web page if you go there. It is called the “The Perfect Storm” is an eleventh hour prophecy. And I’ll tell you something I did not know about you, we have a mutual friend who is now in Heaven Ruth Ward Heflin and in 1981 you had a supernatural call into the ministry in which God used Ruth Ward Heflin. She was in Israel. Tell me briefly that story. I find that fascinating.
John Paul: It is fascinating, she was in her home in Jerusalem and was awaken by an angel of the Lord and told to go to the Tele Aviv airport. Await there and a man would give her money to buy a same day ticket to Dallas, TX where she was to do a live broadcast, because there was a young man gifted in dreams and visions that was there that was resisting the call of God into the ministry and it was time for him to begin that journey. So she went to the airport. A long story made short, the man gave her the money and she was just waiting there and she walks up to her and asks her. You know, are you going to America? Are you going to Dallas? Do you have your ticket? Do you have the money? And literally throws a waded up roll of money at her and says here, take it and stomps off and it was actually to the dollar what she needed to buy a same day ticket. Now, same day tickets aren’t cheap. So she bought the ticket, went to the radio station that the angel told her to go to. The radio station just happened to have a program where the head of the program was called out of town on family issues and they had two hours a day for three days Wednesday, Thursday, Friday to talk about dreams and visions. She was told to do a live broadcast so that the young man would call in. Well, she gets on the phone and she was doing the broadcast and several young men called in and say I’m the young man, I know I’m resisting the call and she would tell them, you may have a gift but you are not the young man that God sent me here for. And the second day the same thing happened and the third day the same thing happened. Well by the third day, I’m praying for this young man and I’m actually crying for this young man because I’m saying Lord, touch this break this hard heart of his; cause his radio just to turn his radio there; have him push it and just goes there do something God to get this young man’s attention. There was about ten minutes left in the broadcast and I hear the Lord speaking to me in my spirit I guess it was real but. My secretary heard me talking outside my closed door because I thought that she might think that I am having a nervous breakdown. Because I was in the corporate world at this time; I’m like an upper management a major Fortune 500 company. I was a 30 year old and I’m thinking I’ve got the road of gold ahead of me here. So I closed the door she hears me talking but she doesn’t hear another party in there talking. Finally I told the Lord okay, he said call in. I said why? You have dreams and visions and I said they have real dreams and visions. And he said son, you have real dreams and visions just call in. So I said okay, but I’m going to have to bypass the switch board. If this is you, this is my fleece, I don’t know what you think about fleeces, but I used one. I said Lord, if this is you and you really want me to call in then let me by pass the switchboard and go straight into the control room I want to hear “you’re live on the air” and if I don’t hear that I’m hanging up the phone. So I call in and..
Sid: You know, I hate to do this, were out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast. But, Mishpochah we have what John Paul Jackson considers his most important end time teaching that if he had nothing else he could talk about, he would talk about the revelation that God gave him on receiving God’s Justice. You see there have been things stolen from you; stolen from your parents and even stolen from your ancestors. But you know enough about what’s has been stolen from you and John Paul Jackson has the key to have justice in your life. The CD & the DVD is called “Keys to Receiving God’s Justice” and a special CD bonus called naturally supernatural. And you will hear people’s reactions. It is thrilling. When there are lights whirling all around and you know that it’s not natural.
SID: It has been a long time coming but we are living in the season in which the spiritual scales are coming off the eyes of Jewish people and I have on the telephone a man has the key to reach the Jew. Why do I say that? Because, it says the Jew requires a sign and his name is Pastor John: Kilpatrick. He pastored the great Brownsville Revival in Pensacola, Florida. Over 4 ½ million people from all over the world attended that revival. It was a revival of holiness and repentance and backsliders came back to the Lord and many people there whole life was transformed but it ran its course and it ended. However, I found out from him that there was a prophecy that revival would come to Pensacola, Florida and then it would move fifty miles to the west. Well, fifty miles to the west is Daphne, Alabama. And of course, Pastor John Kilpatrick I’m sure he didn’t even know about that prophecy, or did you know about that prophecy before you moved to Daphne?
Pastor John: Sid, I didn’t. I knew that there was a revival coming to Pensacola, but it didn’t say what church. But I didn’t know at the same time that the prophecy came that there was a revival coming to Pensacola the very same time the prophecy prophesized at the very same time, that it would also move fifty miles to the west which is the Bay of the Holy Spirit, which is Mobile Bay.
Sid: I have to tell you, I was surprised when I heard that you had started a church because I saw that your ministry was really equipping people and traveling to various parts of the world and having pastor conferences and all of the sudden I heard that you were a Pastor. How did that happen?
Pastor John: Well, I still was doing that even after I started a church because we just have church here on Sunday morning and the Civic Center is not like a church building so we just held the church service there at the Civic Center. But I was still traveling and equipping pastors and still traveling the nation; but, when I left Brownsville; I left there in 2003 and I stayed without a church for 2 ½ years almost 3 years. And one day, I was down by the river praying and the Lord spoke to me and he said why don’t you start a church on the eastern shore? I just hid that away in my heart and didn’t say anything to my wife or not even a soul. In fact a long story short, on Tuesday, the following week, a man that I trust in the prophetic called me and he said Pastor John: the Lord has given me a word for you and He said that He is leaving the lantern light for you and at the tree line at Mobile Bay. And He said that you will first have to go by lantern light but eventually he will give you the noon day sun and everything will become clear. And because the Lord has spoke to me on that Friday to start a church over there I should start a church on the eastern shore and then He called and confirmed it. I headed right over there and rented the Civic Center.
Sid: I have to ask you the big question. Your wife Brenda, what was her two cents on this whole thing?
Pastor John: Whenever, I told her that I was going to start another church, you know we both, after we left Brownsville, we both you know we both have been pastoring for forty years and we just love people. And we love having people around us.
Sid: But still, it toke a lot out of you this revival. I mean I still to this day don’t understand and your team had all of those services. I still don’t understand.
Pastor John: I know, it did, it took a lot out of us and God bless, Brownsville, they were so, they were excellent. Such great volunteers and the church was so hospitable that they basically entertained the world. The Body of Christ from around the world as well as sinners. And they just did a great job but after we were gone from there, for about almost three years we both wanted to pastor again. And so I wanted to go far enough away from Pensacola that it would be any kind of a liability being that close to Pensacola. And even when I started the church I didn’t even advertise. I just rented the building and went in there and said well, I would be preaching Sunday and I didn’t put it in the paper or advertise it in any way. And a lot of people showed up and I started the church in 2006 in January, it was January the 8th 2006. And not knowing when I started the church, I didn’t even know until after I started the church, I had dinner with one of the men that prophesized that revival was coming to Pensacola and he said well Pastor John: it’s on the website that it was the same time that it was going to go 50 miles to the west. I said you have got to be kidding me. And so sure enough, they confirmed it, we checked it out and it was confirmed and the Lord… I never saw it, He kept it from me. I never knew that, so.
Sid: Now, Daphne, Alabama is by a region called Mobile Bay. And what was the name the Spanish originally called it?
Pastor John: The Spanish called it the Bay of the Holy Spirit.
Sid: (laughter) that’s kind of an interesting coincidence.
Pastor John: Yeah, it is. It is on the maps right now in the Halls of Congress and it is also on the maps of Louisiana State University.
Sid: Okay, July 23, 2010 you had a conference I believe it started the 22nd and a young man by the name of Nathan Morris that you had never heard preach.
Pastor John: That’s correct.
Sid: You had him speaking. What happened?
Pastor John: Well, he spoke on the first night. It was really wonderful. He was closing out a conference I was in with Perry Stone and Dutch Sheets then he was going to speak on Thursday and Friday of the last two nights. And on Thursday night he did a great job. On Friday night he came back and preached and I’m telling you, it was like a Father’s Day at Brownsville all over again. The power of God broke out, miracles broke out. I saw blind eyes open and I saw six people with deaf ears pop open within a space of twenty feet. And I thought oh My God look at this and he was suppose to be in Hawaii on Sunday and I talked to him and told him son revival has to be seized and I said I really feel like that God’s done something here tonight and we that we need to seize the moment. And so he called and canceled his holiday in Hawaii and he stayed with me and has been with me ever since. Miracles have been breaking out Sid, like you cannot imagine.
Sid: Okay, on the internet, so many people have been bringing reports to me about a pastor’s wife that had gotten out of a wheelchair; she was paralyzed for something like twenty-three years. The interesting thing is you knew her. Tell me about that.
Pastor John: Absolutely, I have been knowing her for many years and the only way I have ever known her is in a wheelchair paralyzed from the waist down. She was in a wreck twenty-three years ago on Christmas night and she was paralyzed and she married a preacher over here in Mobile. He is a black bishop and a wonderful friend of mine. They had been married nine years and he married her in that wheelchair. She is a powerful singer, she is a noted singer and matter fact, when I wasn’t pastoring my wife use to go to his church over there in Mobile and so we knew him well. And they came over to visit the revival on a Friday night several weeks ago, I guess about a month ago now. I lose track of time and she came and they just wanted to visit the revival because the pastor, the Lord had spoke to him, her husband the Bishop and told him right before. They were out of the country when revival broke out here and the Lord spoke to him and said, I’m sending revival and I want you to put your face in the wind, he said go with the wind of revival. Don’t put your back to it but put your face in it. And so as soon as they got home they heard about the revival and he came over here and he put his face in the wind, so to speak. He wanted to be a part of it. And I’m telling you after knowing her all of those years and to see her get up out of that wheelchair, Sid it was unbelievable.
Sid: Now with curiosity when someone is a wheelchair for over twenty years their muscles are pretty atrophy etc. Today, how is she walking?
Pastor John: Well, she’s walking, I mean when we first helped her out of the wheelchair she would make lapse around the front of the building she would lift her legs higher and she was getting better and better. And then over a period of another week she was actually walking by herself unassisted. Now she is actually going to church without her wheel chair, walking up on the platform and taking the microphone and singing and actually walking and praying for people. It is the greatest miracle that I think I have ever seen. Maybe there was one more that would equal that, but to see her after knowing her and her husband. I wish you could have seen his face.
Sid: Yeah, you know our time is slipping away and I am so excited about your teaching CD called “Mysteries Revealed”. Because we are coming into, according to all of the prophets I talk to the most treacherous economic times in the history of the world. And I believe that unless we get inside information so to speak from God, we are at the mercy of the same things that are going to hit this earth. And I happen to believe that the reason that God revealed to you that we are coming into a time in which all mysteries will be revealed and he said this will happen before he returns is because of the treacherous times that were living in right now.
Pastor John: Yes, and God’s speaking to his people in their dreams, peoples sleep patterns are being affected. People are hearing from the Lord like I never heard. We are living in a season now that was prophesized by Joel and Peter both when they said in the last days I will pour out His Spirit on all flesh. He talked about dreams, visions and prophecies. Those things are happening right now and there is not a thing anybody can do about it. No denomination can stop it; there is no mandate that can stop it. God is speaking to His people. Even common normal lay people. You don’t have to be in the ministry. But God‘s speaking to common lay people.
Sid: Oh, what types of things? Is this talking about revelation of scripture or is it talking about practical things about like what investments to sell and what to buy?
Pastor John: Well, the Bible has already revealed several mysteries like the Apostle Paul said “Behold I show you a mystery, a great mystery”, he said “we shall not all sleep”. The Lord revealed him about the Rapture. Back in his time he was an apostle to the gentiles and when nobody else had the information the Lord was revealing to him. And then the Lord was also revealed to him in the Book of Ephesians, I’ll show you a mystery about the difference between a husband and his wife. How Christ loved his Church, He said this is a mystery. And there was other places throughout the scriptures where the Lord would reveal mysteries and now because the apostle revealed those mysteries, they are a part of our iatrical life. I think of the rapture every day. It is because…
Sid: But, you know oh oh, our time has slipped away but you teach how to position yourself so that you can receive these revelations. Everyone really needs to listen to these three CDs “Mysteries Revealed”.
Sid: My guest, Dr. Caroline Leaf is a neuroscientist, she has researched the brain for over twenty years. And she is a strong Bible believer and she has found that Science has finally catching up to what the words of Jesus say and this has been the effect on me. As I have read this book and as I have understood these principals I am so careful of what I say with my mouth. Or the thoughts I let inside of me. But, what I really enjoy is this understanding of everyone have a gift that is as unique as your finger prints and this gift is based on the way you are wired in your brains. Everyone is different and when you understand this, you unlock such great potential in yourself. Dr. Caroline Leaf, tell me about your research on Einstein and the G factor or the genius factor
Dr. Caroline: Well, Einstein is a source of fascination for all of us. I just love seeing how he harnessed his gift. People have through the years tried to work out why he did what he did. And interesting enough that when he died the doctor who did his autopsy, he actually stole his brain. His purpose was to find out the famous genius factor and he thought that well there must be something different in Einstein’s brain and to everyone else and therefore if he finds it he’s got the answer. Mean while geniusness , is hooked up in your gift and your gift is how you think. The more you think the more you use your gift, the more you increase your genius. So your genius or your intelligence or your ability to do what you are suppose to do increase as you use it. Interesting that when they started studying his brain and they couldn’t find a spot. They just found areas in his brain that were bigger than other areas but it didn’t make sense because it didn’t line up with any kind of brain science. But what they did find was that there were huge amounts of connections between different parts of his brain. And they also found that these are different cells that connect the main cells and they like communication cells are very very important in any intelligence in thinking. And they came to all kinds of conclusions, and they also found that certain parts of his brain are thicker than other parts of his brain. But it seemed to be that they were connections across the whole brain. So essentially what they deduced from this whole study was that he seems to be that he used his brain. It is not like there is any kind of structure in particular. It is that he is actually using his brain. Because we know now from science that the more we use our brain we grow more branches and we grow more connections between the nerve cell and this was very supportive of the research of what I was doing because I was trying to understand how to describe the structure of our gift. In terms of you know brain science, what does it mean? How do I show some one that you are gifted and I found there are seven different areas in the brain. Seven different neurological pillars this is based on many scientific studies of the brain and we can group this whole area. That we have seven different types of pillars, or seven different neurological pillars in our brain and as we are thinking in our unique way, we move through those seven different pillars differently. Each and every one of us move through them differently.
Sid: Why is someone more confident when they understand the pattern of their brain?
Dr. Caroline: Well, when they understand that they move through those seven areas in their own unique way they will and you understand what the pillars do. You don’t try and work against you work with. A lot of people are working hard. They think that they should be working. Or how they’ve been told they should be thinking. Or how they believe is the right way from a book they have read. However, when you show some one that these seven different pillars in your brain. These seven major areas that go across the left and the right side of the brain each of them is doing something. This is how you use them. You have your own unique mix of how these seven work together and we can deduce that from the questionnaire that you fill in. You can work out how you use your seven or how you move through or cycle through your seven. In that knowledge we recognize, wow, I must work with this. I mustn’t work against it and that’s where we see the massive change in people. Where we see, hey the true me is like this. It is okay that I think like this.
Sid: Caroline, in your book you explain that the brain is made up of the seven ways we think and it’s so important to understand this. Explain these seven ways or seven pillars as you call it.
Dr. Caroline: Okay, if you can think or picture a brain in your mind, everyone has seen a brain. The brain, if you can imagine the brain and its seven different colors. It’s running from top to bottom and across the left and the right side of the brain. Each of those different areas is responsible for a different type of thinking and human behavior is made up of a combination of all seven types. So we all have to have all seven types of thought, and we all got them. But the way that they are combined is different in every single person. So we all have those same seven pillars, those same representing different types of thought that make up our thinking but we all use them differently so it is the way we draw on them to actually draw a thought. Now what happens is that as you are listening to me every one to two seconds you will sweep through in understanding or trying to understand the processing that is coming in. We sweep through those seven, but each of us does it in our own way. So we’ll actually cycle through or sweep through those seven in more or less 2 ½ thousand times in an hour. So we are not conscious of this, this is something that is happening on an unconscious level. But, it manifests in the way that we uniquely think. So it’s almost as though we each have our own special mix of these different types of thoughts and we spend different amounts of time on each one and there is no patent and there’s no category, there’s no well this is good and this is bad. Each and every one of us does it in our own special way. So if we have a look at maybe what each of these pillars do, or what each type of thought do it would make a little more sense for our listeners. So if we start right at the front of the brain and we work from the front to the back of the brain. If people could imagine where the front and the back of the brain is, right at the front of the brain we have the first pillar of thought, which deals with what we call, intrapersonal type thinking. Inside the brain; inside deals with decision making, planning and deep analyzing and shifting between thoughts and realizing goals and developing strategies and introspective type stuff. So we all have to do that. We all to that during the course of the day but we all do it differently. Then the pillar behind that deals with its called the interpersonal pillar. Inter verses the first one which is called intra. Now the interpersonal pillar that deals with talking, social interaction communication. The pillar back behind that is called the linguistic pillar. And that’s to do with speaking words, reading words, speaking words. The one behind that is called the logical mathematical pillar and that is dealing with logic mathematical reasoning, scientific reasoning, numbers, problem solving and that kind of thing. Then you move towards the back of the brain and we have a whole group of neurons that’s the kind of thinking pillar deals with body awareness, the kind affecting movement, body awareness sensation. Then there is a music pillar which deals obvious with music but it also deals with instinct, the ability to read between that kind of thing. Then right at the back of the brain we have what we call the visual spatial pillar. Is where you imagine, where you form your mental maps. Now obviously everyone is not going to remember all those different things but the point here is that the seven different types of thought and each pillar that is responsible for a specific type of thought. And we are a mixture of all of those. So we move some people move as they process information will jump from the front of the brain to the back to the middle of the brain in the different pillars jumping through the different pillars. It’s totally different for each person. Each person will also spend a different amount of time in each of the pillars. So essentially what we are doing is describing the structure of what your gift looks like. And what I’ve done in the profile and in the book each of those pillars thoroughly described in pictures and images to see what it looks like. But in the profile I have done questions that match each of those pillars. I’ve group questions together that deal with each intrapersonal, which is the deep thinking stuff and the interpersonal , which is the communication stuff and linguistic , which is the wordy stuff. So as you answer the questions you will then get a percentage score.
Sid: Well, you know what I think is so fascinating of how lives are being changed when they understand in their own unique brain. Because when they understand how their brain processes information, you call it the gift inside of you that can change the world. And we are making Carolyn Leaf’s book “The Gift In You” discover new life through gifts hidden in your mind plus four DVDs on the same subject, which you need both to put it all together. The brain is wired to work in a very specific sequence, when you discover that sequence you can unlock your great potential. Your unique potential, you’ll end up removing your toxic thinking and you’re going to then end up removing your emotional and physical illnesses. You’ll increase your intelligence.
SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Surprise Suthole. Surprise is from South Africa, but you were actually raised in Mozambique.
SURPRISE: I was born and raised in Mozambique in the little village of Matambala.
SID: And your parents were witches?
SURPRISE: My parents were witches, yes.
SID: Tell me, all of a sudden you heard a voice and what did this voice tell you?
SURPRISE: Suddenly one night the voice came to me and said Surprise wake up and move from your home.So I tried to resist it that night the second time the voice came loud, very loud as it was shaking the mat that Iwas sleeping on.So I couldn’t resist by the second time Ijust took my schoolbooks, I was 15 years old by that time and I went to the house of my friend Gufari.He was a Muslim and I told him what had happened to me that night.He said ok I’ll go with you wherever you go.We left our homes that night and we went away.We walked a walk of two weeks to the direction of Malawi.
SID: Did you know where you were going? Or did you just walk?
SURPRISE: No we didn’t know.
SID: For two weeks!?
SURPRISE: …didn’t know where we were going and we didn’t have money to eat.We didn’t take enough changes of clothing
SID: So why’d you pay attention to this voice?
SURPRISE: Well even though I didn’t know by that time that was the voice of God,I just knew that I was pulled out of my home.
SID: Well, ok.So you get to this city after 14 days and what happened?
SURPRISE: After 14 days we arrived at Malawi.So we arrive and find one man, his name is Lucas the man that invited us to his house.When we arrived at his house he gave us water to drink and then to take a shower, food to eat, and then we slept.The next day the man asked us where we came from and where are we going?And then we explained to the man what had happened for us that week and then the man lead us to the Lord.I gave my life to Jesus first and my friend as a Muslim, Gufari, he also gave his life to Jesus.
SID: Now what happened to your parents?
SURPRISE: After I gave my life to Jesus,I tried to contact the home and found out that the week that I left home my mother, my father, and my sister died.
SID: How did they die?
SURPRISE: How they died,I don’t know because up to now it’s 20 years that I’ve never put my foot into my village.
SID: So if you had been there and not listened to that voice of God, you would have been dead.
SID: Now I have to tell you something.
SURPRISE: Go ahead.
SID: I have taken in high school and in college foreign languages; and languages are very difficult for me.
SID: So, you know in the Bible, it says that the gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy.You succeeded Surprise!You have made me jealous.Can you really speak 13 languages you’ve never been taught?
SURPRISE: Exactly.That’s why I’m speaking English to you.EnglishI’ve never gone to school.
SID: You’ve never had a lesson?
SURPRISE: And it just came to me supernaturally.
SID: These 13 languages, can you write them?
SURPRISE: I can write them all, I can read them all very good without a problem
SID: Listen, that is unfair! I protest!
SURPRISE: I can dream in them as well.
SID: You mind if I give you a test?
SURPRISE: Go ahead.
SID: Would you write something on this piece of paper?
SID: That is… Was it instant or gradual? Was it instant or gradual?
SURPRISE: This was very instantly.
SID: Tell me some of the other languages you speak and read, or read.
SURPRISE: This one that I wrote, that is Zulu.
SID: I thought I didn’t understand it.Zulu, I don’t speak too much Zulu myself.
SURPRISE: That in Zulu, it says Nyabonga it means thank you very much.
SID: Ah ha; now tell me some other languages that are more well-known even.
SURPRISE: Well-known is Teecheewah.
SID: Oh that’s really well known I’ve never heard of that, I’m sorry any other languages?
SURPRISE: other languages, Tsonga, Shongon, Ronga, Swazi.
SID: How did you learn these languages? Did it just happen? Did you ask to learn them?
SURPRISE: What happened is that after I gave my life to Jesus; from there I went to Lucas’s house and we jumped to Malawi.So when I went to Malawi so when I went to Malawi the Lord supernaturally gave me the language of Malawi and I started speaking.A few days later I was going back to Mozambique; not to my village but to where my sister was married.So from there we went to the border of Malawi called Zoway.We reached it that was the time of war so they said no. We don’t have any transportation today that goes to Teta city so you have to wait here until maybe they’ll escort you; which are the Zimbabwean soldiers coming to escort all the trucks from Malawi to Teta up to Zimbabwe.
SID: All the trucks…
SURPRISE: Yes and then after the third day the escort came.We jumped, it’s wet the Lord again protected my life supernaturally.I was in one of the trucks we are just going from the border to Teta city and then we travel about 40 miles which is 60 kilometers from the border.The truck where I was ran over a land mine.The truck flies as a bird.
SID: Did you get that? On a land mine!There’s no way to survive that is there?
SURPRISE: And everyone died and the Lord saved my life.
SID: Well the Lord was saving him a lot of times; wait ‘‘til you find out about the dead people that have come back to life and what they’ve had to say.We’ll be right back after this word.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I love the rarified air of Heaven on Earth. And I’m at the Mobile Convention Center, and I’m here with Nathan Morris. And Nathan, I had heard what was going on here, but I want to get to know you. And what’s going here? Lightening has struck twice with Pastor John Kilpatrick. You’ve heard about the great move of God’s spirit. I mean, four and a half million people went through a little church in Pensacola, Florida because God was there, and the same thing has happened here in Mobile, Alabama. Now tell me about your background. Your father’s a pastor and what I’ve heard a lot about PK’s, that’s pastors’ kids, is they go through their period of rebellion, and you went through your period of rebellion.
NATHAN: I certainly did, yes. I grew up in church. I used to sit on the back rows of church as most PK’s do, and I used to listen to my dad preaching, and I used to hear the Gospel ever single week of my life. But by the time I was 16, 17, I had already begun to hang around with the wrong people, got the wrong kind of friends. And really there came a time when my mum and dad lifted that kind of, “You got to go to church.” You know, I was coming of age and I began to not want to go to church any more. I had no desire to be there. It’s all I had ever known. And very quickly I began to get involved with things I really shouldn’t have. I began, you know, drinking occasionally and maybe smoking. And those things as a young boy, I didn’t realize at the time that that would lock me down into addiction and bondage, really.
SID: But you had a bigger problem than that. You know what your bigger problem was? He had a father that was praying for him. And one day his father comes back with, yeah–[applause]–
His father comes back with some DVDs from the Brownsville Revival. Number one, why did you even watch them in the mess you were in?
NATHAN: The thing is I didn’t want to watch them.
SID: I’m sure.
NATHAN: I had no desire to watch them. But my mum and dad went for a holiday in America and they were walking down the street and there was a lady on a T-shirt on saying, “Jesus”. And this lady looked at my father and my mother and said, “You got to go to Brownsville. There’s a revival.” And what she didn’t know is that mum and dad had prayed for a revival all my life. They hungered for the presence of God. They hungered for the glory of God. We were a Pentecostal church. We spoke in tongues. But there was always a cry in my parents’ heart that Lord, there’s more. There’s more that you got for your church. But I was so far away from God. I was living out of wedlock with a girl down in the south of England. But I used to come home to visit my mum and dad, and it just so happened that when I came into the living room that my dad would be playing Brownsville DVDs with Steve Hill.
SID: No ulterior motive.
NATHAN: No, no, none at all. And I used to sit there like I wasn’t watching it. But really, I used to feel the presence of God and I’d have tears rolling down my cheeks, and I’d wipe them away and I’d want to get out of there. I just needed to get out of there as soon as I could. But God was already arresting my heart. He was already showing me He had a plan for my life.
SID: Tell me about the time you were struck by the presence of God.
NATHAN: I was 22 years old. The habits in my life had taken over my life. I was doing well. I was a graphic designer. I graduated from University. But I had serious addictions in my life. I used to lay in bed at night and say, “If this is life, then I’m sadly disappointed.” And I came home. It was my birthday. I came home and I had gone out with my friends and my mum was working. She worked in gastroenterology. My father was in the prison doing also prison ministry. I was in the house on my own and the Lord visited me in a very powerful way. I went to put a CD in the CD player, and as the song came on the fire of God, what I know to be the fire of God fell on me from the top of my head to the soles of my feet, just put me on the floor.
SID: You’re saying fire. Was it a fire? What was it really?
NATHAN: I described it at that time like someone had just stuck my finger in an electric socket. I thought someone had literally put a candle in my shoe. So powerful. It surged from the top down into feet and back up my body. The only thing I knew I fell onto the floor, and I was shaking under the power of God for about three hours, weeping uncontrollably.
SID: Was this foreign to you? Was this something you had never encountered before?
NATHAN: I had encountered the power of God as a young child, but never, never, ever, ever anything like this. I mean, it consumed me. People say, how did you know it was God? I said to them, believe me, when God’s power comes on you like that you don’t need anybody to introduce him. He introduces himself. You know it’s God.
SID: Okay. Now you told me you felt like there was a weight upon you. Explain that.
NATHAN: It felt like someone placed a boulder on my chest. At times I struggled for breath. My breath became shortened and it was like the weight of God was upon my chest. And the voice, it wasn’t audible, it was inside here. You see, God when He speaks to you can reach a point that no man, nothing can ever reach. And He spoke inside. He said, “I have a work for you to do, but if you go from me today I’ll never call you again. For today, I bring you out from underneath your father’s covering.” And you see, there are people in churches that think that we decide when we’re gonna come to God. And I knew right there and then I’d reached the end of my line. It was decision time.
SID: Do you think after that you could have said no?
NATHAN: I believe God was giving me a decision to make, yeah. I was either gonna, you see, I laid under the power of God with all the addiction in my life, with all the bondage in my life. That was all running through my mind, “But God, but God.” But it was time to make a decision. The Bible says, “Today is the day of salvation.” We’re not guaranteed tomorrow. Today you gotta decide whether you’re gonna serve Christ with all your heart.
SID: You made a decision and a little later you started speaking at your father’s church and there were only a few people. But the miracles started. Tell me the first miracle that happened.
NATHAN: The first miracle was really seeing salvation.
SID: Of course.
NATHAN: That was the first miracle I ever saw. What began to happen is as I began to preach the same fire that fell on me just began to fall on the congregation. People started slipping out of their seats, people that were respected as being Christian serving the Lord for many years. But I recognized it. You see, when God touches you, you recognize when he’s touching someone else, and I recognized that power, the power of the Holy Spirit, that tangible weighty presence of God beginning to touch people in the congregation. They didn’t know fully what was happening. I knew. I was like, Jesus, you’re doing it to them. You’re doing it to them. And that really began when miracles began to happen. People’s deaf ears began to open. Blind eyes began to open. Just miracles began. At the start, I was more shocked than they were. I mean, I was more surprised.
SID: I’m sure. How many people did you start with and how many people–
NATHAN: I started with seven people on a Saturday night in my father’s church. And within 12 months people were driving from all over the United Kingdom, four, five hours. Now for a British person we can get to the top and bottom of our country in about eight hours. So to drive four, five hours to a little church on a Saturday evening, it was a long way.
SID: Speaking of a long way, wait ‘til you find out about a text message that confirmed what God had for his life. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.