Sid: We want everyone everywhere to hear the good news. When you hear my guest L.A. Marzulli you will realize this it is essential that people get saved and get saved right away because of what’s happening on planet earth. L.A. you produced three DVD’s it’s a set called Watchers. The first one talks about UFOs, the second one “Signs in the heaven and the earth and the Watchers,” and the third, “Finger Prints of the Supernatural.” How in the world did you get so much documentation of so much supernatural that you can’t even see on the news; and in fact it’s almost supernatural that this stuff isn’t on the news every night?
L.A: Ha-ha. Well, my good friend and co-Producer Richard Shaw and I we picked these topics, we try to find expert and similar to what you do and we go out and we interview them. And we discuss and talk about and look for information that we find incredibly interesting that deals with in Watchers III, “Finger Prints of the Supernatural” and that what that whole DVD talks about. Certainly the Shroud of Turin in my opinion is something, an artifact of probably the most enigmatic artifact on the planet that we can look at and say “Wow something has caused image on this cloth, the image of crucified man on a cloth.” The cloth is about 14’ long 3’ wide and frontal dorsal images of a crucified man. How was this done? And recently Italian scientists have went out and said “You know we think that it’s definitely not a painting and that the image might have been put there by UV lights they’re not sure, fascinating stuff.
Sid: Alright if it was put with UV light what does that mean?
L.A: Ha-ha-ha. Well they’re saying that it’s a burst of ultra violet light, a sudden burst of ultra-violet light. One of the people that we …
Sid: So therefore it could not; if of what you’re saying is authentic it could not just be perhaps a counterfeit or perhaps someone else who was crucified.
L.A: Correct and I have been an amateur sunaologist for thirty-one years since I became born from above. And when I look at that I believe it’s the real deal, I believe that it’s forensic evidence of the greatest event on the planet. And that of course is the resurrection of the God Man Yeshua.
Sid: Okay, let’s go back to what we left off with, on yesterdays broadcast, because I’m finding this fascinating. You actually interviewed, and this is right on your DVD’s scientists, doctors that are people supposedly were caught up in flying saucers; they had an implant and there’s actually one man that has removed these from people. By the way, are these people psycho’s, are they really weirdo’s?
L.A: Most of the people that come forward with these implants in them do not want any notoriety, they are embarrassed by them, they just want them out. And so it’s very difficult to actually track down some of the people, when we are trying to find one of these guy and try to sit down and talk to them. They are extremely reticent about coming in front of the camera, they don’t want any notoriety, they just want these things out and be left alone. So it’s not someone looking for money or you know the latest craze on the news at 6:00, or whatever; they just want these things out.
Sid: Okay, tell me about the doctor that has actually removed these implants, what was his report?
L.A: Well, again he was a total skeptic when he first got into this and now he realizes that we are not in Kansas anymore when he looks at these implants. They are very complex; they are giving off some sort of a frequency which we believe is a clocks speed of 300 GHz, that’s 100 times faster than our fastest computer that we have on the planet. When I asked him point bank, “what do you think this thing is doing?” Remember he has no eschatological or end time dog in the hunt as Christians would; not really aware of what the Mark of the Beast might be or that type of stuff that are reading in the Book of Revelation and doesn’t know anything about that. He looked at me and just said, “Well changing the persons DNA, just like that.” And that got me thinking, “Changing the person’s DNA”, and Yeshua tells us that it will be like in the days of Noah. What differentiates the day of Noah from any other time in History is the presence of the fallen angels and the Nephilim. There could be a definite connection between the two.
Sid: Is there, in your opinion, conclusive proof that the substance, the material of the implants is not from this earth?
L.A: Well I would say a resounding yes. When it’s analyzed at different metallurgy in different labs, the closest thing we have to it is meteorite metal found in the Arizona crater; that’s the closes thing we have into it. They went to a machine shop and they tried to cut it open with a diamond blade saw, it wouldn’t work. They finally took it to a laboratory, cut the thing open with a laser beam, inside they found nanotubes and double nanotubes and they have no idea how this thing is working or what it does; but he believes that it’s powered as I do, it’s powered by the person’s nervous system and their circulatory system. And it’s changing the persons host DNA which is startling.
Sid: Startling, is an understatement.
L.A: Yes, it is.
Sid: What about the fact that most of the countries of the world have been reporting UFO’s and they’ve released the information, but the U.S. is keeping it hidden. Why would the U.S. keep it hidden now that so many people are talking about these, so many other countries are releasing their information on UFO’s?
L.A: Good question, well we see France and Britain and Belgium and the U.K. and Germany and Brazil and Mexico and other countries, Japan have all released on time what were at one time top secret classified documentation saying that the phenomena is real. The U.S. however tap dances around it and doesn’t say anything about it; in fact pooh-poohs anything to do with UFOs specifically…
Sid: Okay, look, I seen your proof, I am convinced that UFO’s are real, the bigger question is are they from God, are they from the devil, what are they?
L.A: I believe this is part of what I call the coming great deception. When we read in 2nd Thessalonians and it says the Satan comes with all signs and wonders, why do we under estimate him? When Ben Stein and his movie “Expelled” sits down with a premier evolution of the twentieth and twenty-first Century, Richard Dawkins poses a question to him, “Where life begins.” Dawkins has no answer he only says “Well, maybe millions of years ago in another universe an extraterrestrial scene was here.” He’s already promulgating without knowing what I call the great deception. Darwinism has eroded the bastion of Christianity; what was our world view literally for hundreds of years here, now it’s eroded to the point to maybe there is no God at all.
Sid: So our world view of God is eroding and our world view of the demonic, except not calling it the demonic, is spreading throughout our culture.
L.A: Absolutely we see it in movies, we see it in music videos, we see it in television shows, it is everywhere; ET is here.
Sid: How about Louis Farrakhan, now I have not seen this in the news but I’ve read first hand reports by him of having, he has been taken up in a UFO. Explain very briefly those reports.
L.A: Apparently leader Louis Farrakhan claimed to have been taken aboard a UFO and received communication from literally “space brothers.” So we see that Farrakhan was taken, abducted if you were, in you please by these so called aliens. The question, the $64,000 question, are they extraterrestrial or inner-dimensional beings. Of course I believe these are inner-dimensional beings that we’re looking at. In other words I believe that they’re demonic.
Sid: Okay, so I’m wondering if he had one of those implants and there is no mention of that, and his DNA is changing and then we see the link between him and former pastor of the President of the United States of America, the church that he went to for twenty plus years. And they take Farrakhan as the Man of the Year and it’s getting very spooky.
Sid: It’s really end time stuff.
L.A: Absolutely, I believe that the whole UFO phenomenon is part of the great deception, let’s look at this for a second Sid. We know in the book of Revelation that it says that it will be a one world religious system as well as a one world government. The one world government is not hard to see but the one world religious system is a real mind bender. How do you get 1.8 billion Christians, 1.4 billion Muslims and a billion Hindus to somehow change their world view and paradigm? What one event…
Sid: Listen it’s hard to just get Christians to act like Jesus says we’re supposed to love one another. How are you going to get Muslims, Christians and Jews and Hindus doing it?
L.A: Well, exactly. But if you have three mile wide craft and I realize this sounds very very bazaar, but when you start doing some homework you’ll see that people have seen mile wide, three mile wide craft all over the planet. And when you see these things really begin to manifest openly so where you’re looking at the 6:00 news and their showing you real footage of a mile wide craft or whatever it’s a game changer, it’s a huge game changer.
Sid: So when people see these UFO’s they are going to be willing to unify for the sake of safety.
L.A: Well, or the occupatants will tell us that they seeded us here, they started the worlds religion, started our civilizations. Genetically manipulated us and now at this critical juncture in human history they are back to usher us into a time of peace, prosperity and knowledge. This is what the New Agers are talking about and promulgating in what they believe.
Sid: And you have an amazing view of the Mark of the Beast, perhaps we’ll talk about that on tomorrows broadcast. But you know if it were just these aliens and these flying saucers and boy what documentation he has. That would be worth you writing for, but it is far more than that. It changes in the planet, it’s things that were prophesized thousands of years ago in the Bible that are coming to pass right before our very eyes these tsunamis, these earthquakes are not accidents, there signs of the soon return of Jesus. It will cause the greatest skeptic to say you know Jesus is the Messiah.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have intimacy with God, religion is good until you have intimacy with God, and then religion becomes bad. My guest Rabbi Jonathan Bernis interviewing him on his brand new book title “A Rabbi Looks at the Last Days” and I love the title of the first chapter of the book, “What if everything you’ve been told about the last days is wrong?” On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that Jonathan came from a Jewish family, got into drugs and partying. His goal was to become a millionaire by age thirty, he was even dealing drugs and he bumped into crazy Suzie, crazy was a druggie, and all of a sudden she was like a completely different person, did you do a double take when you saw her after she had that change?
Jonathan: I absolutely did Sid because it was unmistakable change in her life, she went from being haggard and emaciated and just had death all over her, to smiling shining filled with life. And I made the mistake of asking what happened to her and she devoted the next few months of her life to telling me.
Sid: Okay, so you finally decide to go to a Bible study that she invites you to, you go to that study, you can’t wait to get out but in order to get out there were a few requirements, tell me about them.
Jonathan: Well, the basement, the study was in the basement and to get out I had to go upstairs and I was invited upstairs by the teacher of the study and another older gentleman that was attending the study. And they took me up to the living room and began to put a Bible in my lap and began to lead me through various scriptures that talked about the sin and the separation from God and the wages of God being death. And Sid I had what I can only describe what is a supernatural experience, I didn’t hear any voice I didn’t see anything, but the room literally began to change, I now know that it was the presence of God coming into the room, but the room became very hot and I began to sweat. The lights seem to brighten and the couch that I was a sitting on seemed like it was a trick couch because it literally reached out and held me in the place so that I felt like I could not move. I thought that it was all rigged and later found out that it was all normal, the light were normal. It was the Spirit of God coming into the room and convictive me of my sin and separation from Him.
Sid: So you said the prayer and left determined you’d never go back there, and you also determined that the prayer didn’t mean anything at that time?
Jonathan: Absolutely! I went home and did some drugs to forget the whole experience; it was a horrible experience for me because I was not ready to surrender my life. At least I didn’t think so, but within a day or two I began to have this overwhelming urge to read the scriptures in particular the New Testament which is a funny story in itself Sid because I had no idea where to find the New Testament. I couldn’t go to temple, I didn’t have any friends that had New Testaments and I began to search for a New Testament, finally I had to drive all the way back home about one hundred miles on my motorcycle to find a Bible with a New Testament that someone had given me years earlier when I was in a group called Young Life, and I threw it in my closet in some box, and I drove all the way back from Buffalo to Rochester, New York to find that Bible. Went a hundred miles on motorcycle and to devour the scriptures and my life has never been the same since that’s twenty-eight years ago.
Sid: And we’ve been friends for most of that twenty-eight years and you became a Rabbi of a Messianic Jewish Synagogue in Rochester, New York called “Shema Yisrael.” It was very successful, but then God lead you step by step to be involved in what I consider the most exciting sign of the return of Jesus since the formation of modern day Israel. Tell me about that.
Jonathan: I think what we saw in Russia, were the first fruits of an outpouring that going to hit the Jewish people in an incredible way until all Israel is saved as it says in Roman’s Chapter 11. But I had this desire planted in me around 1988 to travel to Russia and I was able to bring a team of five people there in May of 1990. Sid in six days of ministering to Jewish people in the former Soviet Union in Moscow and St. Petersburg I lead more Jewish people to the Lord than in six years of ministry in the United States. I came home obviously fired up knowing that this was going to be a mission field for me, but never expecting that I would actually move to Russia; I continued traveling back and forth meeting with Jewish believers bringing some humanitarian aid. And in 1992 I went to Kiev with Alyosha Ryabinov, he was invited, a good friend of ours a concert pianist, he was involved music school in Kiev. And asked me if I would share the gospel after this recital for his family and friends; about 200 people there and afterward I got up and I shared a brief testimony, I invited people to come forward to pray to receive the Lord and about 90% rushed to the front. I said, “Something’s going on here,” and from that involved this idea to do this huge, what turned into huge outreach festivals of Jewish music and dance.
Sid: Now Jonathan, I remember you telling me this vision if you will of what to do there, but your plans were so grandiose that when you talk to a lot of the Messianic Jewish leaders, in fact I remember being in a meeting where you described it, they were very discouraging, but I thought it sounded wonderful.
Jonathan: Well, it was so, we had already rented by that time this is why it made it so difficult it was a prayer meeting that you and I attended, a prayer and fasting meeting and I had already by faith rented a 4,000 foot hall. So when a bunch of people, leaders told me it couldn’t work I was pretty discouraged because I had already committed to a 4,000 seat hall and then invited you to come and I think that you were one of the only one’s to encourage me and I invited you to join me and together we experienced probably the largest gather of Jewish people to hear the gospel since the Book of Acts.
Sid: Approximately, how many would you say were in that auditorium?
Jonathan: Well I can tell you exactly, 3650 a night plus standing room only.
Sid: And of course since it was a Jewish music festival that alone insured that most of the people would be Jewish. And I want you to describe, because I was there, but describe with your eyes what happened that first night.
Jonathan: Well, first of all Sid none of us had any idea how many would come, we had been told by a number of leaders in the Jewish community, “You can forget about Jewish people coming because they’ll be afraid to gather because there is so much anti-Semitism.” So none of us had any idea how many would even come. The first shock was that they had to close the doors because the place was packed full about forty-five minutes before the concert even began, so we were totally packed. The next thing was wondering how they would respond. Well from the minute that the music started they were elated. These were people hungry for their Jewish identity, hungry spiritually and when I came out and shared my testimony, I don’t even remember the experience well Sid, it was very surreal, I was just caught up in this incredible anointing but I shared my testimony briefly. And then at the end I invited people to come down to pray to receive Yeshua, Jesus, and to my, all of our amazement, not a few people trickled down, but about 80 or 90% of the auditorium stood to their feet and literally rushed down, that’s why they call them Russians…
Sid: Ha-ha, if you weren’t going to say that I was going to say it, because I never saw an altar call like that before. I never saw people running to come forward, ever.
Jonathan: Our team was weeping, I was holding back the tears, but about 85% came down. I could see people weeping in the front, raising their hands, praying with sincerity and inviting Jesus the Messiah of Israel to come into their lives. It was one of the most amazing experiences I’ve ever had in my life and I know you feel the same way when you ministered there.
Sid: Well, that’s the way I feel it was absolutely the second most historic time in God’s history since the reestablishment of the modern State of Israel to see so many Jewish people running to the altar. And now you went on history now tells you went on to have many of these festivals. Give me some bottom lines, approximately how many people attended and how many Jewish people made professions of faith?
Jonathan: Well Sid, in the twenty festivals we did through the 90s and into the early part of 2004 we saw about half a million people come face to face, and millions more that watched on television and in some cases we broadcast live around the country. But we estimated about 60% or 65% were Jewish and we know this from the follow-up cards that we collected, and we probably saw upwards of 100,000 Jewish people respond to the gospel and altar calls. And keep in mind also Sid, that we started congregations in each city so now we have at least fifteen Messianic Jewish Congregations in the former Soviet Union. In fact the largest Messianic Congregation, in the world is in Kiev that was started as a result of the outreach there in 1994 that we did and people are continuing on with their faith. Sid we saw football stadiums in the mid 90’s filled with Jewish people that knowing that they were going to hear the gospel and I think that it’s important to explain to those that are listening why this is directly directed to end-time prophecy, can I do that?
Jonathan: In the Bible, it’s clear that the Jewish people play a key role not just in the first coming of the Messiah, but in the return in the Messiah. And in Roman’s 11:25 and other places, but in Romans 11:25 is one of the clearest scriptures it says that there is a blindness that’s happened to Israel in part until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in and then all Israel will be saved. Then the verse that follows says the Redeemer, or the deliver, will come forth to Zion and turn away ungodliness from Jacob. Bottom line here paraphrased, is that Jesus is coming back when Israel says “Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord.” The Jewish people are the final event before Messiah returns; the Jewish people coming to faith in the Messiah, the blinders coming off of their eyes and the national repentance of Israel.
Sid: But you know what the tragedy is Jonathan? That so many Gentiles Christians are missing their call for the last days and one of the reasons is that they don’t understand the last days. And that’s why I’m so pleased to release your brand new book “A Rabbi Looks at the Last Days” because there is such fuzziness involved and people just don’t understand their destiny…
Sid: And I want everyone everywhere to take one third of their life while they’re sleeping and be able to have dreams from God that they totally understand. My guest Mark Virkler has just put together a three CD set, five sessions and a workbook, titled “Hear God through Your Dreams.” And he believes that anyone that goes through this teaching in the tense tough times that are coming on planet earth are going to get redirection of jobs; are going to get Devine protection; Devine inspiration; solutions to problems; escape disasters. Can you image you are literally going to be excited before you go to sleep. Mark are you excited with expectation before you go to sleep that God’s going to speak to you?
Mark: I am and I tell my spirit to work on different things, if I got a problem that I’m in need of solving I ask for my heart to work on that and for God to give revelation. If I’m struggling to give counsel I ask for that, because I know my heart through dreams will work on that all night long and give me an answer to the question that I posed to it before I go to sleep at night.
Sid: Can you give me an example of someone that perhaps had a supernatural warning from God about something awful that would happen in their life; I mean a real life experience?
Mark: I can, it’s a lady that I talk to she’s actually part of our School and she’s in the California prison system currently serving a life sentence. She had grown up in California and her family moved her away when she was a young girl and in her teen years she wanted to go back to California and she received a dream at night and she shared this with me over the phone, she received the dream at night where the Lord clearly showed her if she went back to California she would go to prison. And she ignored that dream and she went back to California, she got involved in drugs. Her roommate was in drugs with her she actually killing or purposely killing her roommate alright when she was on drugs, she was tried for it and she is now spending doing a life prison sentence because she did not honor the counsel and the warning that God had given to her through a dream.
Sid: You know, God is such a good God that I believe he is speaking to us so clearly in dreams if we only understood the language. Speaking of understanding the language you had just touch a little bit about you approach symbolism different than just about anyone that I know. To me the way you approach it is easier and makes more sense than the way that most people do because each of us has different meanings to different symbols so therefore God can’t use the same symbol for everyone and say this is what it means as many people take that approach. Let’s take you, your about ready to go to sleep at night, you told me you have a pad next to your bed on a little table with a pencil ready to right down whatever God shows you; give me an example, and by the way that’s an act of faith in itself, that means you’re expecting to use it being pragmatic as I am I wouldn’t want to put that there if I wasn’t going to use it. Alright, what would you pray before you go to bed and take me kind of step by step of what occurs?
Mark: Whenever I go to sleep I’m going to lay there and I’m going to say, “Lord, will you give me a dream tonight?” A simple one line prayer, but, “Lord would you give me a dream tonight?”
Sid: I’m reminded of the scripture that “You have not because you ask not because you ask not.” But what happens if someone says Lord, would you give me a dream tonight and they wake up the next morning and they did not have a dream and maybe this goes on for a couple of nights? Most people would give up.
Mark: Well, okay if your heart wakes you up within five minutes of the dream ending you will recall the dreams. So you need to let your heart know that you want it to wake you up and you do that by saying, “I take dreams seriously, I believe they’re a message from God and I want God to speak to me through the dream. That’s a signal to your heart saying wake me up. When you put your paper next to your bed, that’s your signal to your heart saying, “Wake me up.” When your heart does wake you up you then immediately record your dream, you don’t say I’ll get it in the morning because you’ll forget it. You’ll immediately record it, that’s a signal to your heart saying I’m taking you seriously.
Sid: Now, I’m a little concerned about what you just said, Mark because I don’t want to be so alert that I’m woken up right after I have the dream, let’s suppose I have it not just as I wake up, but in the middle of the night, I’m afraid that’ll wake me up and get my mind active again. What do you think about that?
Mark: Well, you’re going to have your dream during the light sleep period anyway so you’re going to be almost awake anyway you won’t be totally groggy when you wake up. And if you wake up and you just take four or five minutes and you jot down the essence or the symbols and basic things of the dream you can drift right back off to sleep again and you can ask God to put you back to sleep. I mean you can ask for these kinds of things, He’ll honor those things and He’ll do it, alright.
Sid: Okay, so alright you’ve asked, you’ve received, you write down your dream on a piece of paper then what?
Mark: And then when I’m up in the morning and ready to interpret the dream I’m going to ask okay, what does that symbol mean and what does this symbol mean and what does this symbol mean to me and I’m going to a tune to flow once I ask the question, I’m going to go back and picture the dream, ask the question, “What’s the key action, what’s the key motion, what are the key symbols. I’m going to a tune to flow because I know that God’s voice sounds like flowing thoughts and flowing pictures out of my inner most being shall flow rivers of living water.
Sid: The key that you have is that you expect the Holy Spirit to do the interpretation rather than a book of formulas.
Mark: Exactly, that’s exactly right and the Holy Spirit will do the interpretation you know and He does it through the voice of God which comes to you through flowing thoughts and flowing pictures.
Sid: All right give me, if you will because I’m kind of like you, I want things in a logical order; give me some keys to hearing God’s interpretation of my dream.
Mark: Alright, well you want to quiet yourself down, you’re going to picture the dream; you’re going to ask the question, “What does this symbol mean; you are going to attune to flowing thoughts and then you’re going to write down the flow that comes back to you trusting that’s it’s the Holy Spirit in your heart communicating that to you. And of course once you have written out you’re interpretation you can bounce it off your spouse and your spiritual friends to make sure that they feel good that you’ve got the right interpretation. But those are the basic steps that I would take in interpreting the dream. And I would ask like, “What’s the key, what’s the key action of the dream? What’s the emotion of the dream?” If the key action is I’m falling then, I’ll say where in my life, yesterday was I falling, because the dream came out of yesterday, of what I was wrestling with. And I may say, “I know where I was falling.” I believe God was going to do this thing in my life and He didn’t do it and my faith was shook and I felt like I was shattered and I was falling into unbelief and doubt.” Alright the dream showed that I was flying like a bird, I’d say okay, yesterday where was I flying; and I said I know where, man I was just so free in the Spirit; the bonds of sin were broken; I was soaring in the Spirit it was an awesome day. So you ask where in my life am I experiencing that symbol right now? And then you write down what you receive back from the Lord. So you’re the key, the emotion of the dream, you want the key emotion and you want also the key action of the dream. You want those two written down.
Sid: Does it matter at all if the dreams are in black and white or Technicolor?
Mark: I don’t believe it matter at all, you know I’ve heard people suggest that it does but when I go back to the Bible there is no teaching on it either way alright, so the Bible is not going to need to clarify it. When I look at my own experience when I began to work with dreams I was a left brainer so my stuff was pretty black and white. And now I have moved over to the right side and so my dreams are more full color; so I just think it’s the way that we’re wired.
Sid: What if it’s a dream that you’re in it as opposed to a dream that you’re an observer; does that make a difference?
Mark: I think that that does tend to indicate one thing verses another. When Pharaoh was watching seven skinny cows and watching seven fat cows, he was just an observer of the action; it wasn’t it wasn’t really about stuff taking place in his heart, it was about the next fourteen years of his kingdom. So I think when we’re observers of the action of the dream that’s an indication that it’s about something outside of my heart. Something out there in real life that maybe is going to happen, where if I’m a participant in the action then it’s about struggle going on inside of my heart that I need to resolve and wrestle with.
Sid: Now, you’ve explained that the principal of dreams showed the screams of an unhealed heart, what do you mean by that?
Mark: Well, you know in my, you know I had a fifteen year dream you know and it didn’t go away and it was a scream of an unhealed heart saying look, you have fear down here. And you need to heal this fear and I’m going to come and show you that fear every single night in a dream until you come and apply some inner healing prayer, some deliverance prayer, whatever it takes and once you get it resolved then the scream is going to go away and you will not have that dream any more from that point on.
Sid: Mark, tell me one dream in your life that really made a difference.
Mark: Well, how about if I give you a dream from my wife’s life, from Patti’s. She went to bed mad this night and she said, she doesn’t remember why she was mad she just knew that she had a right to be angry and she was. And so in the dream she opens up the door to her house and there is a bull like a cartoon character bull standing outside on his hind feet; takes his front feet and knocks her glasses off her face and steps on them and crushes them. So she wakes up and she asked the question, well what emotion does a bull represent to me? And she said, “Well, I would usually put the word, angry with the bull, an angry bull.” So the bull is talking about anger, which she went to bed angry. And what’s the main action of the dream, the main action is he knocks the glasses off her face and crushes them. So what does that action symbolize? Well, it’s going to destroy your ability to see clearly and so the interpretation is when I open the door to anger in my life, I lose my ability to see things clearly. And that’s wonderful counsel saying you may have a right to be angry, but you don’t want to be angry because it’s going to devastate and wreck your life.
Sid: So you can be angry and the Bible says, sin not, but the more that you’re angry you just distort your vision; and who wants to have distorted vision.
Sid: Red hot is an understatement for my guest, I know I keep saying that, but it’s true in her case, her name if Kathie Walters, she has been a guest previously. And the first thing she said to me is “Last weekend something unusual came forth.” What happened?
Kathie: Well, I do not know how to describe it, it’s very hard, but it’s like as if Heaven just came down closer. And then there was like a manifestation, people begin to feel rain, some of them and then like wind. And then which has been like three days ago, people have been emailing me from all over saying “They’re experiencing things that they’ve never experienced before.” Lots of like different perfumes, manifestations and God talking to them and that.
Sid: Do you know what’s kind of interesting and when I think about you I think about the gold dust that frequently accompanies you as you minister or just in secular life. But I’ve had this happen once before but a couple times but it hasn’t happened for years. But a couple weekends ago I was in church and just worshipping God and my wife looked at my seat when I stood up and it was coated with gold dust. I’m wondering if that isn’t part of what’s going on right now, something new is on planet earth; something new has been released.
Kathie: I believe it’s the beginning of an old prophecy that came forth in England in 1930 and I believe if you have that prophecy where it said that the wind would breathe…
Sid: Well, why don’t I read it verbena.
Kathie: Read it, yeah.
Sid: There shall come a breathe and the breathe shall bring the wind and the wind shall bring the rain and the rain shall bring the floods and the floods and the floods and the floods shall bring the torrents and torrents and torrents. So shall they be saved like falling leaves from the mighty oaks swept by a hurricane in a great forest. Arms and legs shall come down from heaven and there shall be no ebb.
Kathie: Ooo that’s awesome isn’t it, but I believe that started.
Sid: I believe that also and it’s almost like they’ll be a move of… I don’t know if there’s like a brief moment so to speak of where God’s having mercy on earth before the return of Messiah or whether it’s something that is going to be long term until the Messiah returns. My hunch is it’s a short window, they usually are.
Kathie: That prophecy sounds like kind of a long thing though that got its momentum, but definitely between last week and this week just recently it’s like heaven has come down closer because everybody is getting all these manifestations of the perfume of the Lord and oil and honey and all kinds of things. People that don’t normally, people that usually say “Well, that’s for him and her because they’re more spirit kind of people,” but everyone is beginning to experience this, it’s like it’s just come down closer to the earth, I don’t know how to explain it, but I am so excited.
Sid: Well, for those that aren’t familiar with you, we’re going to review just a little bit. You backslide from the Lord, you weren’t really Spirit Filled, but you backslid from the Lord, you went to Australia you get yourself involved with the mafia and one day you heard angels sing. Tell me about that day.
Kathie: Well, I had lots of theology, wonderful theology, but I did run away and I did backslide and I was engaged to someone in the mafia and I had kind of a good time in the world recent. One day this anointing fell on me and of course I never heard of the anointing so I didn’t know what that was. But the presence of God and then I heard angels singing and old English hymn, “Oh love that won’t let me go” it’s just wonderful and then the presence of God just got stronger and stronger and then the Lord spoke to me and He said, “Kathie I’ll never let you go.” And then I saw like a flash of angels and then I had a vision of Jesus on a white horse. But of course at the time I didn’t believe in visions so I didn’t quite know what to do with it you know. Ha-ha. But I had it and then this anointing came on me and everyone I spoke to got saved.
Sid: I’m wondering if the new move of God’s Spirit if you’re not going to and everyone listening to us is now going to experience that same sort of thing. I mean the manifestations of the angels, the supernatural and just an open heaven for salvations.
Kathie: Yeah, that’s what I’ve been saying, people have been emailing me the last few days; people who never usually experience anything much supernaturally. But every, all kinds of people have been having tremendous, they’ve even said “I’ve never had this before.” “I’ve never smelt these aromas before.” “I’ve never felt these touches before.” “I’ve never had oil before on my hands.” And so I believe it’s just, ooo it’s just coming down out of heaven really.
Sid: So making a long story short you immediately left Australia, left the mafia went back home, married David,
Sid: But you got involved in a group of people that revival hit and that changed your life forever. Tell me about that.
Kathie: Well, it was a group I was already a part of that specialized in personal evangelism and I knew there was something more because I had that experience in Australia and the people around me, we were hungry. It was a very worldly bunch of people; they were actors and chorus girls and people like that and so we begin to seek the Lord. We didn’t know what we were seeking for, but something, we knew there was something. And anyway this revival just hit us, the presence of God and the glory of God just came on us and people just kept coming from everywhere, everywhere. We didn’t know anything; we knew how to sing some songs and the glory of God just fell on us for several years. And people were just, people would knock at the door of house and we would open the door and they would just fall out under the power of God and we’d have to drag them in by their feet, ha-ha. And then when we moved into the town hall we’d have to tell people, “When you come to the meetings there may be people laying outside in the street under the power of God and just step over them.” And he glory of God just rested on the people and I think the key was that it was everybody and it wasn’t just one or two people on the platform.
Sid: And you know I have been pushing and pushing for that in our own prayer meeting of Messianic Vision staff and it’s just starting to happen. It’s just, we had a prayer meeting yesterday that was so good no one wanted to leave the power of God was so awesome. But one of the keys Kathy and you’re talking about it is a message came forth but it came forth from multiple people that did confer with one another. It was so wonderful to see the Holy Spirit operate through the Body verses the one man show.
Kathie: Yes, that’s what made it so powerful because God used everyone and you know sometimes when visitors came it didn’t matter where they sat because the person next to them would just tell them their name. And even the kids in the public schools, they’re going to the schools and the power of God just flowed like a river. David would go into the schools and they would have to close the schools sometimes because the kids would be just laid out in the corridors and on the plain it was under the power of God. And there was nothing they could co except close the schools for that day.
Sid: You also told me that if someone was involved in sin they couldn’t get away with it like many people feel they can today. And by the way, that’s another thing that’s going to happen sin is going to start being revealed. But what would happen at your group?
Kathie: Well, I remember and this was like fairly regularly, but I remember once this young evangelist got up and he said “There’s three people here that are actually in adultery and I’ll give you two minutes to stand up and if you don’t I’ll come and stand in front of you.” Well, people shot to their feet and the people around them prayed for them and we just carried on with the meeting. Well there was no condemnation or like judgment from us you know what I mean, it just was the word of God that came out from God and the word did its own work.
Sid: It’s a whole different level.
Kathie: A whole different level.
Sid: It’s not in the flesh, it’s in the Spirit and once someone is convicted in the spirit you don’t have to poke your finger at them, God’s done a pretty good job.
Kathie: That’s right and we just love them, it was just awesome and people, drug dealers were instantly delivered, the kids would pray for them. And people high, way out on drugs were instantly delivered when the children put their hands on them. So, I just saw, we just saw God moving powerfully on the whole body, everybody. Sometimes the elders and leaders didn’t speak for weeks because God was moving so powerfully through the body.
Sid: Kathy, I’m making avail this week your two CD teaching which was really a special teaching on faith and angels and how faith operates. I mean God has really taught you some lessons and then your booklet, “Angels Watching over You” but I have to ask you the question, “Why another book on angels?” I mean does the world need a book on angels, there’s plenty of books on angels?
Kathie: Well, I don’t know I just felt to put my own experiences of it because I’m just ordinary you know and I’m a Princess and I’m watchy but I’m an ordinary person. And I wanted people to be able to relate that they can have the same thing I am no one special or anything like that. I also went through the scriptures so that people could see in the Bible what angels did because people have funny connation of angels.
Sid Roth: Why is there such misunderstanding of angels? I mean if you talk to the average Christian number one they haven’t seen an angel, number two they haven’t felt and angel, number three they haven’t experienced an angel. Why is there such ignorance?
Kathie: I think that it’s religious spirits really, that have given people a funny impression of angels. Can I back up a little bit because you know me quite well, you know I believe the realm of the Spirit, the supernatural realm and angels, heavenly visitations, all those wonderful things are supposed to be; meant to be a normal part of the life every Christian. They only thing that they have to do is to believe it. Because everything in the Spirit realm we receive by faith and not by works. Most people have been taught, or it’s been implied…
Sid: What happens when you’re a Baptist minister, you have a love for God, you have a love for people, you get involved in prison ministry, you’re doing it some twenty years. You’ve had thousands of salvations. You’ve been in over 700 prisons and you see the same people getting out of prison and then coming back all the time. There’s got to be something more, were you getting frustrated Don Dickerman and Don by the way I’m speaking to at his home in Bedford, Texas. Don were you getting frustrated or did you just figure that’s the way it is?
Don: I think a little bit of both Sid, frustrated more so as the years went by and as you said, “I would see the same people who I had seen in chapel services and felt like were genuinely born again, get out of prison and not be able to make it on the outside. And you know I think that I was trying to apply the verse of scripture that “Any many be in Christ, he’s a new creature, a new creation and old things are passed away, all things are become new.” And that’s not what I was seeing.
Sid: And of course you were also taught, I mean on the plus side you were given a wonderful background in the word of God, but on the negative side you were taught that the gifts of the spirit are not for today. And so you were also like in a fight with one arm tied behind your back.
Don: That’s true, I don’t know my seminary and church training wasn’t so much that the gifts weren’t available, but they certainly didn’t talk about them. It was a problem because I was seeing things that I knew had a spiritual meaning and had a spiritual answer, but I didn’t know how to apply it and I didn’t and that part was frustrating.
Sid: There was a turning point in your life and it was in Galveston Texas you were taking kind of a break and you were sobbing in your bed. Why were you sobbing?
Don: Well, for the reason that we just talked about, I would see so many people return to prison and I felt like in some respect that that I wasn’t being effective and another respect that the gospel was not being effective and that troubled me. And I remember crawling up in a motel bed and just weeping and my prayer was pretty much, “God, why can’t I be a deliverer? Why can’t I get people out of bondage? And I don’t think I knew exactly what I was praying and asking for, but it was that kind of prayer, what am I missing? And it wasn’t long after that that I had an experience while preaching in a prison, in a federal prison in Three Rivers Texas. And there was an officer, this is really unusual, you know I preached in 850 or more different prisons and experiences are pretty much the same, inmates come to church and they know that they have problems, but in this particular evangelistic service there was an officer seated in the chapel with the men and that’s very unusual, I had never seen that before and he was worshipping with them. And when the service was over he motioned to the officer that was on duty and he said, “I’ll walk him to his car, I want to talk to him.” So as we walked across the grounds of that prison on a beautiful night, he said, “I need to tell you something and I’m going to shorten this story a little bit, but he actually followed me as I was going back to Corpus Christy where I was staying on this particular trip and as I was about to get on the Interstate 37 I pulled up to a little grocery store or service station and he pulled up right behind me and he came up to the car window, he was just bouncing with excitement. And he said, “Brother I need to tell you something, he said that while you were preaching tonight I had a vision and he said, “I saw you standing in a big black pot, and he was describing it with his hands.” And he said, “In this pot there was oil bubbling all around you, not boiling it was just bubbling, and all around this pot he said as far as you could see there was just like a sea of people and the stench from their sickness was nauseating as it went up into the heavens. He said, “That oil began to bubble up and as it ran off of your head down your arms and such,” he said “the people were healed.” And he said, “Get ready brother, God’s fixen to pour it out on you.” Well, that’s even hard for me to talk about now.
Sid: Now, had you ever had anyone ever given you a vision before? Had you ever had a vision?
Don: No that was my first experience.
Sid: That was off your grid through, so did you immediately reject it?
Don: No, I knew I knew it was the Holy Spirit and I knew that it was something I had been longing for, I wanted to see people healed, I didn’t know how to make it happen. But I remember driving back to Corpus, I couldn’t keep the tears out of my eyes and my prayer was “God, I don’t know how to do this.” But there was an assurance that came, “You just keep on doing what you are doing, preach the gospel. And what happened it started happening, people began to be healed in our services and I wouldn’t do anything but preach as I always had. And I would start getting letters from inmates telling me, I know that you don’t know this, but while you were preaching heat came all over me and…
Sid: Well what would you think when people are saying heat comes all over them and they are getting healed and all your doing is speaking, you’re not doing, you weren’t praying for the sick were you?
Don: No, no. I was just preaching, but it was with an anointing I had not really known before. I knew something was happening and it was overwhelming to me, I knew that it was the Holy Spirit and I knew that I hadn’t done anything you know to make it happen. But with it came a boldness that services would go by and I would get these kind of reports, I began to walk in that and speak toward that happening, I believed it was going to happen. And you know I think since that night I could say that there’s not been a service anywhere that we’ve had in prison or out where someone hasn’t experienced healing. And you know as it progressed, I knew it was the Holy Spirit and I was so hungry for putting this in context with what I had been taught and what I had actually never experienced, but I began to see inmates come at the altar call and as I would pray for them, they would fall and sometimes even when I got close to them. And I, you know I didn’t that’s what I had a difficult time with; I didn’t know what that was. I knew about the things that happened in God’s word and how the soldiers fell back and you know I understood those things, but I knew I wasn’t doing anything to make it happen. And it was overwhelming sometimes I would leave the services and I would have to pull over the side of the road and weep with thanksgiving. And then some of the frustrating part of that was coming back to the churches and knowing that it wasn’t going to happen, you know sitting in the congregation and you know saying you know that’s not going to happen here today.
Sid: You know Don many people have a healing ministry and I understand exactly what you are saying and even the frustration of what you’re saying but there are few people that have such a practical balanced deliverance ministry. How did you happen to get into deliverance?
Don: You know sometimes I say, “God tricked me into that,”
Sid: I would think He had to ha-ha.
Don: You know I wasn’t looking for it but in the prison experience I did have many guys come to me and say “Look, I know I have demons, you know can you help me?” And I didn’t, I didn’t really know what to do with that, but I knew that it was real, I knew what Jesus said. And I was in a prison in Canada, a women’s prison in Kingston, Ontario Canada. My wife was with me and a lady came up to me at the altar call she said, “I have demons and I know that you can help me, I know you understand.” That was my first experience and I had met a man Bruce Jenkins, who still has a deliverance ministry in Michigan right outside of Lancing, I had met him and we had talked. So I told this girl that you know I know someone who does deliverance and if you maintain contact with me, we’ll minister through the mail and so on. I’ll get Reverend Jenkins to come up here; we’ll meet and take you through deliverance. Well, that’s a hard process to even get that arranged in a prison, but we did and what happened is Reverend Jenkins wasn’t able to make it, he didn’t show up and I was there and she was ready for deliverance. And so I kind of took a step of faith and I remember praying “God I know what the word says, I know what Jesus did and so we met in a private room in the prison.
Sid Roth: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought right there and I see how God tricked you into deliverance ministry. But the truth of the matter is there are so many people with problems, they’ve prayed and prayed, and prayed and never had any answers and that’s because there’s doors that give legal access to the demonic.
Sid: I have on the telephone Pastor John Kilpatrick, he’s Senior Pastor of Church of His Presence in Daphne, Alabama and your probably familiar with John as a result of the Pensacola Revival, the Brownsville Assembly of God. Father’s Day 1995 and for five years thereafter over 4,000,000 people came from all over the world to that church. Hundreds of thousands made professions of faith, rededicated their life to God, it was a genuine; genuine revival. And I was finding out yesterday that when John was fifteen he had an amazing experience, he was being mentored by his pastor as his father had left his mother. And he was being mentored in prayer, and one night it was a crisis night for the pastor because someone was trying to take over his church. And in came with locked doors, how many locks were on the door John?
John: The locks, there were five of them, and there were pins in the jam at the top; pins in the jam at the bottom, there was a key underneath the doorknob where it was lock, there was a deadbolt and a latch. When the doors popped open, not one broken lock.
Sid: Huh, and the door opened, who marched in?
John: And two angels came in, two huge angels and they filled the sanctuary from the top to the bottom. I’ve never seen beings that big, they wasn’t dressed in white like angels, they didn’t have wings, these were warrior looking angels. They had no weapons, they never said a word to us, we never said a word to them, they just appeared and they left the doors open. And one was standing in the back where pastor always prayed and the other one was standing on the other side, the opposite side of the building. And as I looked at them, in my fifteen year old mind, I just was in shock; I could not believe that my eyes were seeing beings that big from heaven.
Sid: Were you and the pastor the only ones that saw the angels?
John: There was seventeen of us there that night.
Sid: And all seventeen saw the angels?
John: Every one of us saw it; everyone of us saw it. And as a matter of fact, after they left we went back, we went back to the back, or the pastor got up to be the back to walk to the back to shut the doors, I know that’s where he was going and we all just fell in behind him because it was a little bit spooky to honest with you. So as he got up to go out there and shut the doors we were all with him, but when we got to that area where the power of God came in that building where those angels came in; there was so much power there. It was my first confrontation with the power of God in my life. I was fifteen and there was so much of the power of God there in that foyer in the back of that sanctuary we collapsed, your legs it was like sticking fire to butter; you couldn’t stand up; we just collapsed. Just, I remember I came to the next morning and I guess it was around six o’clock right at sun up and I was lying beneath a man’s knees, beneath a man’s knees and his ankles; we all just collapsed like you just placed fiddles sticks you know. It’s like God played fiddles sticks with us and we just collapsed right there where we were and didn’t come awake until the next morning when the sun came up.
Sid: What was going on inside of your mind?
John: Well, the first thing that I heard was when I came awake was that I heard the traffic on Second Avenue in front of the church and those church doors were still open all night long. And I remember Pastor saying, “Look boys,” he said, “The locks aren’t even damaged.” And the power of God hit those doors and it reminds me of the scripture in the Bible where it says that Peter was going to the outer gates and the gates opened on their own accord.
Sid: Now did you go to school the next morning, out of curiosity?
John: Do you know what, I don’t even remember.
Sid: But, alright that was Sunday night after service and you’re up there all night long and then you have your normal Wednesday night service. What happened after that visitation of the two angels?
John: Evidently the word got around, you know seventeen people there, evidently the word got around so that Wednesday night the church was packed out. Now we prayed again on Monday night, Tuesday night and that Wednesday night; we prayed every single night. I prayed with Pastor every night for years without missing a single night, every night for years, seven nights a week. But on Wednesday night when it came time for regular service the church was packed. And we had an uneventful service, back in those days we didn’t have what you call a worship service, we had what you call a song service. And nothing eventful happened during the song time and when the pastor called the ushers forward to receive the offering, he said “Bow your heads for prayer over the offering and when people bowed their heads for prayer for the offering, the power of God moved in that place like it did when the angels came in that Sunday night and thirty-eight people fell out of their seats into the floor and received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and many of them had sought the Holy Spirit all their life and could never get it and went right through to it.
Sid: What, they fell out of their seat probably praying in unknown tongues I can envision.
John: I’m sure they probably did, but they just were in the floor and went right through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And one thing it proved to me Sid was those angels when they came into that church, they never lifted a finger; they never said a word; just their presence broke the back of all of that trouble that was going on in that church; and they changed that atmosphere just by showing up there.
Sid: Now I asked you this question before we went on the air, as you know I was out many times to Pensacola to the Brownsville Assembly of God and you may not remember this but the exact spot that you are hit with the power of God on Father’s Day June 1995 you pointed it out to me and I just took a little and I put it on that spot and I sat there for a couple of hours just being still before the Lord. But the presence, I tasted the presence at Brownsville, how was that presence in comparison to what you experienced as a fifteen year old when those two angels came and then that Wednesday night service and then thereafter?
John: Well, I would say that it was a magnification of that presence because what happened that night when we gathered on Wednesday night after the angels showed up was really the first time that I saw that kind of a breakthrough. And what happened on Father’s Day of ’95 was a magnification or a multiplication of that same freedom. The presence of God is the same, but when the presence of God comes in a dose that you’re not familiar with it feels like, whenever you experience that that’s all God’s got to offer. But what we experienced on Father’s Day I come to learn later was just a dose that church could bear up under at that time because you have to actually get actuated to the presence of God to be able to bear up under it. If God gave you all of His presence it would just totally destroy you. But God gives you a dose; he prescribes a dose for an individual or a congregation just as to what they can stand and bare up under it. But what it felt like on Father’s Day was all God had to offer, but later we come to understand it was just a dose and that there was much more to come and there was a different levels that He was going to take us into in the next five years of revival.
Sid: John, are we going to experience revival in America?
John: You know, I believe we are, I really do believe we are. You know, after you’ve experienced something like that Sid, it ruins you, it ruins you. You can never be satisfied with church as usual again. And God touched millions of people from all over the world during that period of time and those people are languishing out there; because once you’ve been touched you’re never the same. What you’ve put your feet under the table of revival; no other table will ever satisfy you. And there’s a hunger today in the hearts of congregations. I believe many times congregations maybe more hungry than their pastor is. And there’s a hunger in congregations out there today; and people leave church many times on Sundays and they’re not dissatisfied with their church or dissatisfied with their pastor; they’re unsatisfied and there’s a difference. They’re unsatisfied, it means that they didn’t get what their soul needed; they didn’t feel or experience in that service what their soul was craving. You see the glory is not the anointing; there’s three different levels I would call it. The blood everybody understands the blood; the blood is God’s detergent for sin; you’ve got to have the blood to be saved. You’re born again, you’re washed in the blood; you have a born again experience. That’s the first level. The second level is the anointing comes upon you; the anointing is God’s authorization on a person’s life to do the works of the ministry in the earth. That’s a good definition of the anointing. God’s authorization on a person’s life to do the works of the ministry in the earth; but when you get passed the blood; you get passed the anointing, then your talking about the glory of God. And the glory of God is the Kabod; it’s the manifest presence of God and the presence of God is what people crave; it’s what Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden before they sinned. They were always naked in the Garden of Eden, always but when they sinned, the glory lifted off of them and that’s why they started grabbing for fig leaves and they pulled those leaves next to them to try to hide their nakedness because they had sin. But mankind ever since that time that they sinned in the Garden and the glory lifted off of them they have been searching; man’s been searching; his soul has been searching for that weighty presence again. And they tried sex, they tried drugs; they’ve alcohol; they’ve tried religion; they tried new houses; they’ve tried new cars, money, investments, all kinds of things but none of it will bring you the presence and the weightiness of the presence of God like we’re created for. That’s what we’re created for, it’s His presence.
Sid: God, you’ve had several very significant prophetic visions…on the first day of ’09 you received a prophetic, actually would you call it a vision or a prophetic word of twelve points of what is going to happen starting this year that is absolutely amazing. Tell me about that night.
John: Well, on the first day this year my wife and I went into a restaurant to eat and after we had ordered the waiter walked back up to me and said, “Your meal has been paid for, someone in the restaurant has paid for your meal. And I said, “Thank you very much, so when he turned to walk away I was startled because when he turned to walk away I heard the Holy Spirit say to me, “I’m going to give you a word a prophetic word and it has twelve letters in it.” And immediately my mind tried to summons the word that had twelve letters in it and I thought I liked the word supplication or something like that. And I heard the Holy Spirit say, “Oh, no, no, no I’ll give you the word. He said, “The word is resurrection.” I
Sid: In other words each letter, which are twelve letters stands for a word and each word stands for a whole prophetic insight into what’s happening in the United States.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone, Mark Blitz is so red hot for the Messiah because he has an understanding of the Biblical Feasts and I mean to straighten you out right away. If you think observing Biblical Feasts has anything to do with going to heaven, you’re wrong. If you think that it has anything to do with righteousness, you’re wrong. Belief in repentance and death and resurrection of Jesus by His stripes our sins are atoned for plus nothing is salvation. But if you think that it has to do with open portals to heaven, timed, specific times in the year which God commands us to come into His presence for a set appointment, then you’re right. It’s blessings, it’s not a requirement, but my mother didn’t raise a dummy, I want to have an appointment with God when He promises to show up. It reminds me Mark Biltz of Jacob when he saw the ladder and angels coming up and down from heaven, an open portal. Could you picture that ladder at these Biblical set appointments that God has for us?
Mark: Oh, definitely, definitely I think I love the imagery of that, I think that it’s so exciting it’s exactly what it is. These are God’s appointed times for us, He wants to be with us.
Sid: And I believe that you have a destiny to teach in freedom the dress rehearsals, if you will of the First Coming of the Messiah, and the Return of the Messiah, and these ancient portals that God says if we will observe them then He will have an appointment with us. But it sounds to me like the devil tried to knock you out. I mean two times you had guns to your head, you should have died, but then the thing that is so amazing to me is; you fell asleep driving a van, tell me about that.
Mark: Yeah, it was incredible it was about three weeks before I got married, this was many years ago and I had a newspaper route that was all night long. I stayed up late on the Fourth of July to watch the fireworks. And so about 4:00 in the morning I’m going down a highway in my, it’s called a step van with all these newspapers that I’m tying and rubber banding as I’m going down the highway about 55 miles an hour. And I’m not buckled…
Sid: It’s a good thing that was before the time of cell phones because you’d have the other hand with a cell phone probably doing text messages. No, I’m just kidding.
Mark: That’s fine, so I would grab one paper and kind of roll it, rubber band it and then I would throw it out the window while I’m driving down the road. And I’m on the roadway stretch where there’s no houses or no papers to throw them for a couple of miles so I’m just going down the highway and I fall asleep. And I hear the rubble strips and I kind of come to and I see the speed limit sign coming right at me and I jerk the car real hard to the left and now I’m headed to the ditch so I jerk it real hard to the right and then I’m going on two wheels down the highway sideways and then hit and I end up rolling the van, three and a half time over one hundred yards and I land upside down in the ditch. And all I did was sprain my ankle because I was so tired, I just kind of rolled with it, but I also think that there was supernatural protection guarding my life. And so I came to and I smelled the gas, and saw these papers and I said, “I’m out of here! A had to…
Sid: And no seatbelt either!
Mark: No seat belt, and no seat belt at all and the hood of the car literally was touching, as far as the top of the car, was touching the hood. The windshield was completely smashed flat and I had to crawl out a passenger door.
Sid: Now, you have another habit in addition to your life being spared those three times, and that is money multiplying in your wallet; tell me about that.
Mark: Yeah, and I couldn’t believe it, I had just gotten saved and I wanted to join a youth ministry as a volunteer and I had to have income to even pay to go to this three month training institute. And I was you know I didn’t have hardly any money and I had like ten dollars; two five dollar bills in my billfold and I went to the church service where I had gotten saved at and they had a guest minister preach and that I’ve never heard of and what they did before, but they were taking up an offering for this preacher. And I thought man I need this $10 for myself to go to this school but I really felt like the Lord spoke to me that I needed to give him you know $5 dollars and so I opened my billfold and there was three $5 bills in there! And I couldn’t believe it and I showed everybody and I was so excited and I put a $5 bill in the basket and then after the service I was so glad because I needed that $10 for gas, and when I opened up my billfold to pay for the $10 of gas, again there’s another $5 bill in there. So I not only able to give $5 to the guest speaker but $10 in the gas, I still had the $5 bill. Now it never happened again, but I’m sure glad it happened then to build my faith as a new believer.
Sid: Now on yesterdays broadcast I postured the question, “Why is there such an intelligent effort to stop Christians from understanding the set appointments of God or as you explained yesterday, the dress rehearsals of the First Coming to the Day and the Second Coming of Jesus? Why is there such a conspiracy, I’ll call it for what it is?
Mark: Well, I think that it’s definitely demonic as it says in Daniel the anti-Christ wants to change the times, the appointed times. I think he doesn’t want believers to be on God’s calendar. He’s doing everything he can to thwart the return of the Messiah so if he can prevent prophecies from being fulfilled. He thinks that that will thwart it which is why he knew prophetically that Israel was to become a nation, but in the very act of trying to destroy it the nation of Israel came into existence. But I really see it as a demonic trick to try to throw the believers off and in his mind to trying to prevent the return of the Messiah.
Sid: Let’s take a look at the spring Feasts which will then give us an idea of what we can expect to look for in the fall Feasts. Because the spring Feasts to the day prophecy the first coming of Messiah and a lot of Jewish people would not have missed the first coming of the Messiah if they had understood the Feasts.
Mark: Oh, I think so, and to me Passover is just so incredible, so incredible and even the songs that they were singing, you know like at the last Seder or the Last Supper. And the very day Messiah died Josephus records that there were 250,000 lambs slaughtered in one day. Can you imagine, 250,000 lambs cause he said that there was like 2 ½ million people there for the Festivals.
Sid: Now, Jerusalem isn’t so big, how in the world did they hold 2 ½ million people?
Mark: Yeah, they were just all over the place…
Sid: They had to be jammed!
Mark: They all jam packed, I’ve been to Jerusalem, I love it and the thing that amazed me and with 250,000 lambs, even if they had a court of blood, you’re looking at 55,000 gallons of blood! Where’s all that blood going to go? All that blood was thrown at the base of the altar and under the altar also, under the Temple Mount they have these aqueducts or these cisterns that were filled with 10,000 gallons of water and all of that blood. And they would release the water would go a river of blood and water would be flowing down these south side of the Temple Mount into the valley of blood. And so the incredible thing to me is they literally would see this river of blood and water flowing from the right side of the temple into the Valley of blood. Well, the Father, God He’s in the Holy of Holies facing east and so the right side is His right side and so at the very moment the blood and water flowed from His Son’s side a river of blood and water could be seen flowing from the Father’s right side of the Temple Mount.
Sid: Now, you were explaining on yesterday’s broadcast about the exact hour that Jesus died was prophesied.
Mark: Yes, yes, yes at 9:00 in the morning was the morning sacrifice and at 9:00 in the morning is when they were binding the Passover lamb to the altar they were binding Yeshua to the cross. At three in the afternoon is when the Passover lamb was sacrificed; at 3:00 in the afternoon is when Messiah died and then the next day is unleavened bread and we know that Messiah was without sin and He was buried on that very day. And then three days later on the Jewish feast of First Fruits, most Christians don’t realize that the Jews have been keeping First Fruits for 1500 years and here Messiah as the First Fruits of the Resurrection He rose on the Jewish Feast of First Fruits!
Sid: And explain to me as you were speaking about 250,000 lambs being sacrificed in one day and all of that blood. Explain to me where the blood went and what it meant.
Mark: Yeah, all the blood would be going underneath the altar and they had these giant cisterns of water that would just take all that blood and flow down the south side of the Temple which would be right, because the temple is facing east and it would just fill the Hinnon Valley of blood, with all this water and blood. The south side of the temple was where the dung gate was and all the refuge and everything would be flowing out that way. And so I think that it’s amazing to me that Yeshua as the Son, the blood and the water when He died at 3:00 in the afternoon, the blood and water flowed from His side and here we can see the Father is also in mourning and the blood and the water was flowing from His right side. In Judaism they have what’s called Keriah and it’s a mourning ritual where when a relative dies they will rend their garment from top to bottom symbolizing a broken heart. Well then what does the Father do? The veil of the Temple is rent from top to bottom showing the Father’s mourning the death of His Son.
Sid: I’ve never heard it put that way, how did you figure that out?
Mark: Well, as we study these rituals, as you study the Hebrew roots and when you get in and you look and you read, and you study these things, the dots just start connecting.
Sid Roth: And you said as you actually observe it revelation comes.
Mark: Exactly, I think like with anything it’s only when you do it, it’s not just studying it, it’s in the doing, it’s in the observation of these things; exactly right.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah, and if you listened to my guest yesterday you know he’s red hot for the Messiah. He lives in an open heaven, that’s normal; abnormal is to be blocked from the presence of God. I mean 24-7 and God’s raising up a generation of people that will be living in an open heaven 24-7. Eddie we found out on yesterday’s broadcast that you were talking about there were several attempts on your life when you were young. And you began to have nightmares, but at age four a figure came into your room; you didn’t even have a grid what was going on. But God set you free from those nightmares and then in 1997 Kim Clement prophesied over you about that experience, explain it.
Eddie: We were in Detroit, Michigan and it was a rather lengthy word, but the portion of it that got my attention. I believe God will through a prophet will give us a word of our past to know that the word of our future is assure as the revelation of our past. And He said, I came to you when you were only four years old and you did not know it, but I put something inside of you, you know something that would live. And so that was the beginning and the remembrance of a visitation that had been long forgotten.
Sid: Now on yesterday’s broadcast you told me you definitely discerned at least two angels entered the studio. Are those two angels still with us?
Eddie: Yes Sir, they have not left.
Sid: Tell me, well again you yield to these two angels if they show you anything in particular, but you were involved in a revival meeting which totally transformed your life. You laughed until it hurt, but you laughed yourself and cried yourself totally clean and God was able to do a new work in your life. Tell me a bit about the food back ministry that you have.
Eddie: The food bank is an ongoing ministry in Bremen, Georgia that actually is people that receive supplemental groceries every Tuesday and afternoon session. And the people that set it up they allow for a little devotional thirty minutes prior to each session.
Sid: Is it almost like a Salvation Army type of thing where you feed them, but they have to hear the gospel?
Eddie: Well, these people are not required, they are receiving groceries rather than an actual meal, they are receiving supplemental groceries, but they are not actually required. They don’t have to participate in the meeting to get their groceries, but neither the less it’s usually a full house.
Sid: But some unusual miracles have been going on there, tell me about them.
Sid: I mean these are miracles you hear about outside of the U.S. and Africa, you don’t hear about them in the U.S.
Eddie: Yes Sir, when the Lord moved us out here a little more than 2 ½ years ago we had received a prophetic word in 2005 from a prophet that we did not know and he did not know us. But He told us that it was absolutely imperative that we follow explicitly the Lord’s direction and if we obeyed Him that He would open the heavens for us and He spoke of a move that we would have to move. And it took eighteen months for us to fulfill that move.
Sid: Now, let me get this straight, a prophet prophesied over you about a move.
Eddie: Yes Sir.
Sid: And what does a couple do that’s kind of in an area comfortable etcetera, not every prophesy is from God.
Sid: Did you just immediately know it was God or did you test it in some way?
Eddie: It was a total confirmation; we were already looking to move. Our house, we were about to put out house on the market at that time. And so he literally talked to us, I mean He pulled my wife and I up and he talked to us about ten minutes rather than just a prophetic word. But he was telling us, he said, but do you understand what I’m telling you? It’s imperative that you obey God, that you get in the explicit place that God will direct you. And from that point, I think that this is the key thing about an open heaven, that we have to be determined that we are going to live in the perfect will of God and not merely in the permissive will of God. That it’s not acceptable that we live anywhere. God will bless me anywhere, but if I want God’s best, I’ve got to obey explicitly and that was our determination from the beginning; that we were not going to move anywhere except where God directed us.
Sid: And history revealed that because of this move your whole life was transformed. If you hadn’t moved I mean I know that you don’t even want to think about it, but do you think you would have missed all these wonderful things?
Eddie: That’s a scary thought, I know we would have missed it, but we’re seeing as you said, we’re seeing third world miracles in a first world nation.
Sid: It’s about time.
Eddie: Amen, amen absolutely. This is what it was so exciting, when we first went into that food bank and they asked us to come, and this food bank has been going on for about fifteen years. The very first session I really didn’t know what to expect. And I left there very grieved in my spirit as I saw these needy people with physical needs, material needs, all kind of needs and while their groceries were being met there was so much of a spiritual need especially in the area of healing and physical needs. And I was just grieved in my spirit and I said, “Lord, what can we do?” And the Lord said, “Don’t just tell them I love them; show them that I love them.” And he told me to do something called, show and tell; like you know what we use to do in school. You know we’d bring something, we’d show it, we’d tell about it. He said, “Don’t just tell them, show them I love them.” So I talked it over with the leaders of the food bank about what I wanted to do the following week. And four straight weeks they have different speakers on different Tuesdays I’m now scheduled every fourth Tuesday of the month. But for a period of about four or five weeks I was the only one coming in there and speaking. And the very first the next Tuesday that we were there the Holy Spirit had spoke to me and He said, “Every person that I point out to you call them up and I will heal them.” Now this was, I got to admit I was a little intimidated by this.
Sid: Now, out of curiosity, how did He point someone out to you?
Eddie: They were illuminated; it was just like they stood out to me above everybody else. And we called up six people. There were back problems, there were shoulder problems, one interesting one was a man by the name of Franklin, he was scheduled for both of his knees to be replaced. He had a walker, they had to literally help him up on the platform, but he walked off the platform without the aid of his walker, he was doing deep knee bends. God instantly healed everybody that came up on the platform that day.
Sid: Tell me about the person that did not have ear drums.
Eddie: Well, there have been several of those, one that just pops into my mind that was just literally about three weeks ago. It was during one of the morning sessions and just flowing with the Holy Spirit and saying “Holy Spirit what do You want to do and how do You want to do it?” And there had been one lady that we had walked over to the Lord told me that she’s had back pain for a long time. I did not know her, she did not know me and I said, “How long have you had this back pain?” And she said, “Oh, a long time,” and then she looked at me like how did you know that? And then I said, “Stand up, the Lord wants to heal you.” And the Lord instantly healed her and much to her surprise, you have to understand this is not a church service, there’s nobody playing an organ, we don’t have a choir, we are not seeing three verses of “Just as I Am.”
Sid: I don’t think Jesus had any of that either, you know Eddie.
Eddie: You are absolutely right; I mean this is the place to be if you want to see miracles you got to be in a place where miracles are needed. And I knew that there were some that were skeptical even of her thinking that “Well this is just back pain, this is just an old woman, everybody has back pain.” And I just said, “Well, let’s just see if the Lord will do something a little different that would be more difficult in your mind,” I said, “Let’s go for something hard to hear, let’s go for somebody deaf.” And I turned to this man and I said, “Sir, are you hard of hearing or are you deaf in one ear?” And he said, “What, what did you say?” And the crowd just broke out laughing you know and I said, “I think we’ve found our candidate.” Then he turned to me and he said, “He was deaf in one ear, his wife he said was legally deaf.” And the Lord opened both of their ears and this was just three weeks ago and they could hear a whisper. Now this is something that I want to say about this, keeping in mind that it’s not a church service, I leaned over to the lady who is legally deaf and I whispered in a very faint voice I said, “In the name of Jesus.” And the woman shook, this elderly lady, she shook and she said in Spanish, in nombre de hay Soos. And there were several of our Latin American friends and Mexican American friends who were here and they all turned and they looked at me with their eyes wide open and I said, “Yeah, I know what she just said but she didn’t know what she had just said.” So that was an extra plus, the Spirit of God moving not only in miracles, but with what some would call an unknown tongue but a known language so that even those in the room heard in the Name of Jesus in Spanish.
Sid Roth: Tell, me a bit about why God is doing miracles today in the United States that use to be confined to just third world countries?
Eddie: Well you know Sid I believe that it is absolutely imperative, it is necessary. You know America, we need a move of God, we need a showing of the demonstration of the power of God. I believe that there are people that are hungry, they are thirty, they are desperate to see God move. I believe that they’ve read about the miracles in third world nations and they’ve watched the television programs. They’ve see what happens in Africa and Nigeria and other places like that, it’s time, it’s time for a move of God in America. I believe that there is a separation that is coming, you know the left and to the right and God is going to reveal Himself. You know as you well know, Isaiah 60 He says, “That arise and shine for your light will come.” Even though deep darkness is going to come on the face of the earth yet the Lord is going to break forth with glory with His light upon His Church. And miracles are a demonstration of His presence; it is a demonstration of His power, it validates the speaker, it validates the Word that is being preached that this is indeed of God.
Sid: I’m hearing a word, that there is someone that is listening to us right now and you’re about ready to be ship wrecked, but it’s not going to be a ship wreck, it’s going to be a redirection of your life. So hold on, trust God and your going go see the glory of the Lord. My guest another Jewish man that’s red hot for Jesus, Steve Solomon. And Steve out of curiosity, you know Rabbi’s come up to me and they’re hoping I’ll say, “No.” They say, “Sid, are both your parents Jewish?” And I say, “Yes” and they’re so disappointed because of my belief in Jesus. Steve, “Are both of your parents Jewish?”
Steve: “Yes they are Sid.”
Sid: “Oh, evay, you weren’t Bar Mitzvah though were you?”
Steve: “I was Bar Mitzvah, are you kidding.”
Sid: Oh my goodness the Rabbi’s will have the same problem with you that they have with me. Listen when a Jewish person turns to Jesus, they become normal. Now unfortunately religion is tampered with a lot of my Messianic Jewish brethren, but fortunately you’ve stayed free Steve. But there’s a story when a Jewish person comes to know the Messiah. Tell me how you became a believer.
Steve: Well, it was 1974 and my wife and I had married since 1970, I was, it was my 24th year, 24 years of age. And I started looking for, for reason for life; I was very successful, we had a…I graduated college in 1972 University of Central Florida. And with a four year degree and we had a very successful band, night club band; we worked in the Walt Disney World area. And we had all the material things to go with success, but I started there was something; I was looking for more. Some friends of mine had gotten into Eastern Religions and I tried some of that stuff and it never worked. And my wife Diane, she received Jesus and she was baptized with the Holy Ghost when she was five years of age in Orlando, Florida. She said, “She had to back slide to meet me, but that’s another story. But we were married about four years and we were just growing apart Sid. We were going to get a divorce when Diane was going to have the baby in November of that year and she turned to me one day and she said, “Listen, those books and the stuff you are reading are from the devil, get them out of my house.”
Sid: Why were you reading these New Age books?
Steve: I was looking for God, I was looking for something, there was something driving me to look. I don’t know what it was.
Sid: You know the Bible says, “The Jewish people have a zeal for God a built in zeal for God a built in zeal for God but not according to knowledge” and if Christians won’t be normal. Well look at the paranormal.
Steve: Exactly, exactly so I was looking for something was, so listen, I didn’t know about the devil or hell, but I got the books out of the house and I put them in the trunk of my car. August 24, 1974 the band is working at the Royal Plaza on the Lake of Point of Vista.
Sid: What were you doing with the band?
Steve: I was a drummer and leader of the band.
Steve: Singer, drummer yeah, we had a night club, I mean a night club band and we worked at Disney World and all that kinds of stuff. Alright it’s a Friday night and it’s Shabbat, I didn’t know it at the time how good it was. And typically my, what I typically what I would do Sid was every night on the first band break I’d go into an empty room a banquet room and try to mediate and get in touch with whatever. Turn the lights off and sit there and nothing ever worked, nothing. This night August 24, 1974 I went into this room, turned the lights out and I asked this question; two questions. I said, “Is the God of Abraham, Isaiah and Jacob are you out there, are you real?” And then I said, “Is Jesus Christ, who He says He is?” Suddenly…
Sid: But wait, “Why did you say a question,” “Is Jesus Christ who He says He was?”
Steve: I don’t know, I don’t know.
Sid: I mean that’s not a normal question that Jewish person asks.
Steve: And I wasn’t thinking about it before I walked in there. It just, I don’t know. You know my mother-in-law, she’s in heaven now, she’s a real awesome Christian lady and every once and awhile she’d turn to me and all she would say is that Steve, “Jesus is your Messiah.” But Sid, I didn’t, you know it just didn’t mean anything to me.
Steve: Nothing, but you know the Bible says, “That a seed sown shall not return void.” So she was sowing seed in my life and I believe God really used that.
Sid: Okay, so you asked the question, “Is Jesus Christ who they say He is?”
Sid: And then what happened?
Steve: Suddenly, I went into a vision, I know now my spirit, my soul was lifted a little bit out of my flesh. Now the room was dark, no lights in the room, I saw on the other side of the room a ball of fire like the setting sun, amber but really, really bright. A right hand came out from the center of this ball of fire; it came across the room touched me on my forehead, pushed my head back and then my head was like pushed straight back; like you get in the prayer lines and someone pushes your head back. The same thing happened to me and then I heard an audible voice and the voice said to me this thing, this word. He said this, “Yes, I am, what your doing is wrong stop and follow me.”
Sid: You know this is amazing because my testimony is so similar to yours, I was separated from my wife and I prayed a prayer. “Jesus help,” because I was so desperate. You must have been pretty miserable when you were praying that prayer, were you?
Steve: Totally depraved, my friend. Ha-ha yeah, pretty messed up. And when this happens Sid, my spirit went right back into my body and I know now, I was saying I feel like I’m on fire, my whole body. I didn’t know anything, I had never had anything like this, and I sat there for awhile stunned. Now number 1. I never heard of Jews for Jesus, I never heard of any Jewish guy or woman who confessed that Jesus Christ is Lord. I did not know what to do, but I went home and I secretly started reading my wife’s Bible without her knowing about it. And when I read the Bible the Old Testament, New Testament. Listen I thought Matthew and Mark and John were Irish guys, you know when I was raised in part of my life in Boston.
Sid: At least Catholic anyways.
Steve: My Irish friends, Matthew, Mark, John, I didn’t know these guys were Jews it never occurred to me and I started reading the scriptures and Sid it was so alive. It was, when Jesus appeared to me and said, “Stop and follow me.” You know I didn’t go back to my college, I didn’t go to the library, I found my wife’s Bible and started reading. And everything just came together and I told my wife after a few weeks you know, “I’m reading the Bible in secret.” I told my Mother-in-law first, “I believe that Jesus is who you say He is” and turned around and walked out of her house. She was stunned, she couldn’t believe it.
Sid: Why did you stay after you asked that question?
Steve: Well, we were on our way out, we were leaving anyway, I left her house and then I walked back in it was like a double take. And I walked back in and I said by the way, “Jesus is who you say He is” and I walked out. You know and she didn’t know what to do, but she rejoiced. I told my wife, “We need to start living for the Lord.” And her first reaction was, she said inside her heart, “Well, what does this Jew know about my Jesus?” But she found out plenty, and the Lord healed our marriage. First thing He did healed our marriage and brought us back together. And just nonstop you know just the glory of the Lord just came into our life. And I didn’t realize this it was the same voice that talked to me when I was six years of age.
Sid: Tell me about that.
Steve: Well, we lived in out skirts of Boston, you know both my parents are Jews and their parents are Jews and I was born in Boston, Massachusetts. As a matter of fact my Grandfather and Grandmother started a conservative congregation in Boston in the early 1900s. And my parents started a reformed synagogue in Framingham, Mass. So we lived on Six Ruth Drive.
Steve: Can you believe that? Six Ruth Drive, I was six years of age, I remember it specifically and I went to bed for the night and I was woken up with a dream or a trans or a vision. And here’s what it was; I was in a huge room with large columns and I heard this voice call my name, “Steven, Steven, Steven” audibly and I heard it three times. And I remember thinking to myself as a child, that’s the, a thought came to me, “That’s the voice of your Father.” And then I would think, “No my Dad’s in the other room and that’s not his voice.” “That’s the voice of your Father.” And I’d say, “No my Dad’s in the other room, that’s not his voice.” It came to me a third time, “That’s the voice of Your Father.” Sid it wasn’t until 1974 eighteen years later when I asked “Is Jesus Christ is who He says He is, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are You real, are You out there?” And He said, “Yes, I am.” I realized that it was the exact same voice.
Sid Roth: Listen, our God is holy, let’s hear a cut from Riverwalk DNA “Holy are you Lord.”
SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, I’ve known for some 28 years and we’ve gone through a lot together. Jonathan Bernis. We went to China together, we went to St. Petersburg together and as a matter of fact, we’re friends and we joke a lot. But we saw history being made in St. Petersburg, Russia. Both of us have been sharing the Good News with Jewish people for many years. And Jonathan heard a word from God to go to St. Petersburg, Russia. I went with him and we had evangelistic meetings, and I want you to describe what that first meeting was like. Describe that.
JONATHAN: Oh my goodness. Sid, you’re bringing back such great memories. Well we, as you know, rented the largest concert hall in the city of St. Petersburg, almost 4000 seats, the Oktyabrsky Concert Hall. We had Coulsen Cothern [name]. We had other Messianic artists. Really, we had no idea what to expect. We didn’t know if five people would show up or what. We did some advertising.
SID: This had never been done before. I mean, wide scale advertising for Jewish people to attend a concert, and how many showed?
JONATHAN: Well we had to close the doors about a half hour before the concert started because every seat was filled and we turned away hundreds each night. This went on night after night. And people told me there’s a lot of anti-Semitism and feared Jewish people won’t come. But Sid, they came. And what’s amazing is they came knowing they were going to hear about Jesus. That’s what’s so supernatural about this whole thing.
SID: What’s even more amazing to me was they didn’t just come forward. They didn’t just raise their hands. When the invitation was given they ran. Jonathan, I mean, I’ve never see that before.
JONATHAN: Now I know why they call them Russians, because the majority of the 4000 in that concert hall were Jewish and the majority came down front, many with tears in their eyes. And Sid, I saw this repeated for almost 10 years in the former Soviet Union until the revival waned. And it’s no coincidence. The Bible very specifically talks about the Jews in the land of the north being the first to be restored back. “I’ll bring you back from the north country.” It’s no
North Carolina. Sorry for those in Charlotte. It’s not North America. It’s north of Israel and that’s the former Soviet Union. And so with this great Aliyah, almost a million, or over a million Russian-speaking Jews fulfilling Bible prophecy, going back to Israel, there was a parallel spiritual revival as well, spiritual awakening. And Sid, this is one of the clearest signs that we’re in the last days and the near return of Jesus to this earth.
SID: You know, Rabbi Jonathan Bernis, just like myself, is Jewish. Both of his parents were Jewish. The only problem was he was raised in a reformed Jewish home. My orthodox Jewish father said, Reformed, that’s not even Jewish. Then after I became a believer in Jesus, he said, you know, Reformed looks pretty good. Jonathan, as a young boy, you were invited to a Young Life meeting, and they had pretty girls, so you went. But I’m still surprised you went to a Christian meeting. Why did you?
JONATHAN: Well my parents were surprised, looking back also. And by the way when I became a believer, my mother went from Reformed to Conservative. Instead of coming to know the Lord she moved more into Judaism. Sid, I was brought up in a Jewish home, like you. And even though I was raised Reform, Jewish identity was important. I was born a Jew. I was taught I would die a Jew. And really, Jews can believe in just about everything or nothing. They can be atheist and still be Jewish. But there’s one taboo that you and I both experienced growing up in Jewish homes, and that is you can’t believe in Jesus. And so Jesus to me was their God. He was the God of the Christians. But through befriending an assistant wrestling coach who really did have something different that I recognized about him. He was always peaceful. He had joy, and I was just intrigued by his kindness to me. And when he invited me to this group, Young Life, I didn’t connect it with the Gospel at all. I connected it with good looking girls that were going to this Tuesday night group where they got around and talked, and it just happened to be about the Bible. So I went. And really I wasn’t that drawn into what was going on. I have to say this though, Sid, and I believe that the Word of God never returns void. I was intrigued by the person of Jesus. I was intrigued by the stories of this man who could walk on water, heal the sick, raise the dead. I thought, wow, this Christian God is a really good guy. He’s really powerful.
SID: But Jonathan decides he wants to make a million dollars. He goes off to college. He gets involved in the fast life, in the drugs, dealing drugs and going to parties. The seed might have been planted, but that’s about it. He’s doing his own thing. And one of his druggie buddies all of a sudden gets in touch with him. And this girl looked like she wasn’t going to make it. What happened, Jonathan?
JONATHAN: Well Sid, keep in mind now, I have the seed planted. But when anybody tried to share the Gospel with me my immediate response was, “I’m Jewish.” And they always apologized, which I think is very sad, because many people, even people watching today that love the Lord have this misconception that it’s good not share with Jewish people. Well fast forward now as you said to college, and this friend Susie is searching, as I am, but she gets really hooked on drugs. I watch her life spiral down. She drops out of school and she disappears from my life. And I felt bad for her, but I didn’t want to watch her destroy her life. And she reappears in my life right at the end of my second year of school, and she looks changed. There is something different about her. She looked different. Her face was glowing. And Sid, this was supernatural. This program is about the supernatural. And when I saw her I knew something was different about her, and I asked her what happened, and she told me, and she told me how she was on the verge of suicide. That’s how bad it had become. And on the verge suicide she had walked into a pool hall. And the owner of the pool hall had just become a born again Christian, and led her to the Lord, and she was completely delivered of drugs. She was on fire for the Lord. And that’s supernatural. A girl who was on the verge of committing suicide, completely delivered of drugs and was found. She was lost, but she was found. And I found that incredibly intriguing. The problem is, I said, that’s great for you, but it’s not for me. And she made me her homework assignment. She called me everyday asking me about why I’m here.
SID ROTH: I’ll tell you what. Hold that thought. We’ll be right back. And you’re going to find out, you think that’s supernatural. Wait until you hear what happened to Jonathan. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.