Sid:  My guest Joan Hunter is so excited about demonstrating the Kingdom of God, why is she so excited to see all of these miracles and equipping Christians to walk in the same miracles anointing that she walks in?  Because when you can demonstrate the Kingdom of God then you earn the right to proclaim who the King is.  Whether someone’s a Moslem, whether someone is Jewish, whether someone is a Buddhist, whether someone is just a nominal Christian that has never been born from above that does not know that the Bible says, “This is eternal life, that you might know Him.”  They think the Bible says this is eternal life, that you might join a church.  Joan Hunter I feel sorry for people that think eternal life is joining a church, not only for what’s going to happen when they die, but even when they live.

Joan:  That is true and people, God wants us free of everything that the enemy has done to us to destroy our hearts, destroy our minds and destroy our bodies.

Sid:  You know one of the things I find fascinating is we know that trauma stays in the memory of the cells even if it doesn’t stay in the memory of the mind.  And after a period of time it can cause disease.  But what really blew me out of the water is when people have transplants like a heart transplant they have the memory of the person that formally had that heart.  Give me an example of that.

Joan:  Well, one lady, some of them are just absolutely amazing the stories, but one lady she got the heart transplant and then the first night she had a nightmare about a license plate, say Texas 123456 well the next night she had another nightmare Texas 123456 she’s like what is going on here?  And she couldn’t figure out exactly what it was.  Well after several nights they actually called in the police and it was like “Can you figure out what this means?”  And so they went and found the car, the owner of the car and got a search warrant on the car, they searched the inside and out trunk and everything.  In the trunk of the car they found some blood and some DNA of this man’s niece who he had tried to kill which put her in the trunk of the car and then just disposed of her body.  Her body was found, she later died at the hospital and it was her heart that was transplanted into this recipient.  And that man is actually still in prison today.

Sid:  What that proves is there is a memory in every cell of our body.  So when someone has a, give me an example of a person that not from a transplant to me that just scientifically proves it, but give me an example of someone that had a trauma and you prayed for them and what happened.

Joan:  This is a recent one and I mean I’m going to work on not crying on not crying telling you this story because it’s so incredible and I have hundreds and hundreds of them.  But this man came up to me and he said, “Forty-two years ago I was in a helicopter in Vietnam, it got blown up, I was thrown to the ground.”  And he had a big scar on the side of his neck where it’s a miracles he lived where they had to do surgery and cut out some of the different things in his neck, rewire his neck because his neck was broken, jaw was broken and everything.  And he has been in excruciating pain for forty-two years.  Now, I laid hands on him, I cursed the spirit of trauma, commanded it to be gone, health and all the cellular memory to be completely gone and I commanded health and wholeness to that area. Then I started, I had my hand on his heart to start with, and I said, “I curse the spirit of trauma and I command all the nightmares that he has had of night after night, after night, after night of that helicopter exploding with him in it.  And throwing him basically from it night, after night, after night and the pain left instantly, the spirit of trauma left in a very demonstrative way and he started crying, and crying and crying and he says the pain is gone.  He says, “I feel so light, I feel so different I am a new man, I am so free of all of this stuff that happened in Viet Nam.  And then I prayed of course to erase the pain of his past so that he would remember that he went to Viet Nam and that he would know that he had a helicopter accident, but actually everything about that and the experience of that plane and that helicopter going down is gone and out of his memory now.

Sid:  You know Joan, the thing that I love about your complete training manual is you take each disease, you even show pictures of where to lay hands, you have the prayers, the specific prayers to pray.  There’s seems to be in America an epidemic of diabetes; how do you pray for someone with diabetes?

Joan:  The doctors told me that I would probably end up with diabetes myself and because my Mom had diabetes, she was healed of diabetes.  I interne would go; they said, “Well, you know your Mom had it so you are going to get it.”  Well, first of all I would deal with the generational curses of diabetes, which address in the manual how to break that, “Then I said, I cut those words off in Jesus name, I am not going to get diabetes.”  And my blood sugar was showing that I could potentially move into that and I am like I am not moving over there, I actually serve, I served diabetes an eviction notice, it cannot come into my body in Jesus name.  And I address any spirit of trauma and then in addition to that I dealt with, I said “I curse any spirit of diabetes, any diabetes I command it to be gone like Jesus cursed the fig tree and He commanded it to die from the very root.  And so I said, “In the name of Jesus I speak a new pancreas that works fine and that my sugar levels will return to normal and stay normal in Jesus name.”  And about six months later which was literally just a few weeks ago I went back in and it is absolutely perfect and I went hallelujah!

Sid:  Now, when you say that I hear Francis Hunter saying, hallelujah.  Has anyone ever told you that?

Joan:  Mom’s in here, this is funny.

Sid:  Tell me about the woman that instantly went from a size 18 to a size 12.

Joan:  Well, she had a tumor in her abdominal; actually she had seventeen tumors in her abdominal area and her female organs.  And I prayed and I said, “I curse those tumors in Jesus name I command it to be gone.  I speak a whole new colon and new female organs in Jesus name and before the service she was in the back of the room comparing her belly with another lady who was eight months pregnant.  And it was a tossup whose was bigger and it really was a tossup whose was bigger.  But at the end of the service it was obvious the pregnant lady won because she went down from a size 18 to a 14 instantly and then by the next day and by the next week she was actually in a size 12 and I recently saw her and she’s still in a size 12.

Sid:  How did you pray for her exactly?

Joan:  I just cursed the name of the tumors, commanded them to be gone, spoke new intestines, new female organs, and she got it all.

Sid:  It’s too simple Joan; it can’t be that simple.

Joan:  I know, I know, but that’s the way it’s supposed to be!  This is the way Jesus did it; you know He spoke to the fig tree curse, boom, curse, okay, how hard is that?  He didn’t do the flowery prayers you know and you know like you go into the grocery store and you pray for somebody; there’s no praise and worship going on.  A woman might not have her makeup on, you know she may not feel the anointing like, oh my hands aren’t hot, they’re not tingly, they’re not this.  Somebody walks by and their sick, you can see them limping, you know and I always go (flip) the hands up, healing hands here we go, you know.  And then you say “God sent me here to pray for you about?”  And you think God’s sending me to the grocery store?  Well, my steps are ordered of the Lord whether I’m at the grocery store or in the service ministering and the healing power of God, when you know that you walk in the authority and the authority information is covered in this manual.  When you know that you walk in the authority you will walk in that authority no matter if you got makeup on, if you’re on the telephone, if you’re walking by somebody in the grocery store or drug store.  I love going into drug stores and praying for people you know or in the airports or wherever we are we can walk in that anointing.  You don’t have to generate the anointing, you don’t have to wait for the anointing to come on you; you just need to know and have the knowledge that you walk in that anointing.

Sid:  Have people said to you after they’ve read your book that you have a gift of increasing their faith level?  Has anyone ever told you that?

Joan:  In exhortation in the area of faith, yes.  It’s like they leave the healing schools and they go “You know what? I think I can do this,”  I’m like, “I know you can, all you got to do is lay hands on the sick and do some of these things and pray.”  And these are just like guidelines, they’re not like verbatim, you go out to the grocery store and say “Oh I forgot my manual!”  You don’t have to worry about that because God will give you the words, but just get the general idea.

Sid:  But when you take, I have to ask you this, when you take each disease and you point out the root causes of the disease, you point out exactly the areas that you should pray in for this disease, if someone doesn’t follow that and just says “In Jesus name be healed” I don’t believe their going to get as many healed as if they understand the root causes of the diseases.

Joan:  Absolutely, absolutely you know I know that I have the power and I can say in Jesus name and a few people have been healed.  But I realized that when I appropriate the power of God, speak directly to the tendonitis in somebody’s elbow that’s listening right now, command that to be gone, all the inflammation and pain to go in Jesus name; it is going, it’s gone now in Jesus name!

Sid:  It would be so wonderful for Joan Hunter to personally mentor you just as her parents mentored her.  Some of her revelation on trauma and erasing the pain…

Sid: And I’ll tell you what, after listening to this week’s broadcast you are going to be so red hot for the Messiah.  My guest, Gary Kah and he’s exposing things that are going on that the secular media has purposely hidden from us and he knows names, countries, key players that all fit in to the end time scenario from the Bible.  Gary but many Christians and many non-Christians are in favor of a one world government.  One world religion, what is so wrong with that with the world seemingly crumbling before our very eyes?

Gary: Yeah, it’s going to look good but it’s going to big deception, it is probably going to come about in the name of world peace and world unity and that’s what’s so attractive about it.  But in Revelation Chapters 13 & 14 especially there is talk about a global system that would exist in the last days.  And this global system would have to be in place in order for the anti-Christ to rule over the world.  And when you see…

Sid: And initially it’s going to look very very good.

Gary: Yes.

Sid: Because people aren’t going to show their true colors but I guess initially Adolf Hitler looked pretty good when the economy was coming apart in Germany.

Gary: Well, that’s just it, yeah people went for it and he did a lot of good things early on to sure up the economy, but we all know now how it ended you know.  And there are people involved at the forefront of this one world movement trying to bring about this global government that are, I know for a fact very much involved in the occult in Eastern Mysticism.  Many of them are strongly opposed to Christians and Conservative Jews and have made some strong statements against them and so the handwriting is on the wall here.  And also in Matthew Chapter 24, Jesus said, He warned that we would not be deceived that the last generation that there would be an incredible amount of deception.  That there would be many false christs and false prophets that would go out even in His name, he said but do not believe them.  And He said that it would be so deceptive that even the elect could be deceived if that were possible.  And so we have to be on our toes and believe me when I first stumbled on to these things and began to research them there were moments where I couldn’t believe that this was happening.  But when you see the evidence and if you do research with an open mind and see where these people are coming from and what they intend to do and where they’re going it runs very strongly contrary to scripture.  And I see it as a very dangerous movement and of course scripture prophesized that this would take place.  We were prophesied in order to be warned against it not to be part of it and to promote it.

Sid: Now you see very harmful thing happening that most people, Christians and non-Christians alike see as wonderful and that’s an ecumenical movement of Christians and Muslims and Catholics and even Jews uniting together.  What’s so wrong with that as long as you can keep your own individual belief?

Gary: Well, in order to bring about a global government there has to be a coming together a type of unification of the world’s religions and that has been well understood in the political One World Circles.  And this has been their biggest challenge over the years and especially when it comes to the Christianity and Islam and Islam and Judaism.  How can you bring those religions together?  And so there have been a number of initiatives an increasing number of initiatives especially over the last few years promoting inter-faithism.  And in October of 2010, last year the UN passed a resolution establishing an interfaith harmony week which is to be celebrated during the first full week of February each year.  This is going to be an annual event, and so this past year they had interfaith Harmony Breakfast for example held all across the world.  And the main push behind this is really to bring Christians and Muslims together.  But the problem is it’s always Christians doing the compromising on this and so it’s really clearing a path for Christians to cozy up to Islam.

Sid: But wait a second Gary, most Christians I know they would love to be part of a conversation with Muslims for the sake of evangelizing them.

Gary: I totally support that and agree with that in fact we have a back yard neighbor named Mohamed so we have Muslims right in our neighborhood and we reach out to them and we are friendly toward them and do whatever we can to set a strong example for the sake of the truth and Jesus.  But was is happening here through these organized activities is that there is no evangelism going on, it is really just a cozying up  with Islam and that is the danger that I see in it.  In fact this whole UN initiative was kicked started by Jordan’s King Abdullah and Prince Gozie and it was found upon some of the UN previous interfaith activities and especially the common word program as it’s called which the Muslim’s call it.  It originated as a Muslim call to bridge building with the Christian community.  But when they say bridge building again there is more to it than that, it is really to try to infiltrate and penetrate the Christians community and bring it in to Islamic circles.  Christian leaders in the response to that document called for greater connections with Islam and equated the God of the Old and New Testament with the Koran.  And again certain Christian leaders are moving in the direction of Islam or at least coming much closer to it.  And they ended up signing a document in that regard called loving God and neighbor together.

Sid: Now that sounds good.

Gary: Sounds good, doesn’t it.

Sid: Yes.

Gary: It does, but again when you follow these meetings and the statements that have been made at the meetings or the lack of statements never is anything mentioned about Yeshua or Messiah in terms in being the way and the only way. But rather this openness, this unspoken interfaithism that other religions or pathways to God and so we have to make a decision there.  Are other religions pathways to God?   Does it not matter that if you believe in Buddhism, or Islam or whatever or is the God of the Bible completely unique from these other gods?  And I can contend that He is and we have to make a stand on that, and we have to do so in a loving compassionate way to be sure, but none the less we have to stand for the truth and especially in light of what Jesus said would take place in the last days and how deceptive things would be.  So I am very concerned about this.

Sid: Now there is that I don’t understand, I understand what you’ve just said, there is something that I don’t understand because in this document that was signed by 300 Christian leaders and when I say leaders, these are household words, I mean it includes the National Association of Evangelicals.  That so for sure when they’re top leaders and they make a statement I’m quoting this is what I don’t understand.  “Mohammed preached a god of love.”  Gary: Yeah.

Sid: I don’t get that, any one that knows history, anyone that’s read the Koran knows that’s not true.

Gary: And these are the kind of statements that are being made at these meetings as well.  It opens up the gateway to Islam, to be accepted.  And again we should love the Islamic people and reach out to them, but to change our beliefs so that it facilitates and works together with Islam, that’s a trap of the enemy.  That is setting the stage for a coming together of the world’s religions and ultimately a World Government that will be ruled over by the anti-Christ.   This is the single biggest deception in the whole thing is what is taking place on the religious front.  Sid there is a coming together of the political side of this movement and the religious side and in fact you’re no stranger to the word, to the name Counsel of Foreign Relations.  This is an organization that since 1921 has been promoting globalization and ultimately World Government, although there are people in the organization that would not necessarily agree with everything and I want to throw that in.  But overall the direction of the CFR has been toward empowerment of the UN moving us in the direction of global government.  And they are now in a sense taking a final step into the religious realm by co-opting their goals and activities through religious groups to further their own purposes.  And unfortunately it seems like many pockets of the church are increasing open to this and I’m speaking here specifically about the global faith form that was held in Dallas Texas back and again, a number of Christian organizations that were sponsors of this meeting right along with counsel on foreign relations.  And to the best of my knowledge this has never happened before.  This is something new at this level…

Sid: So it’s a marriage between the One World Government and the One World Religion, is that what you’re saying?

Gary: Exactly.  It’s definitely opening up the door to that to make that easier down the road.  It’s I say at the point where we are right now it would still take a few years to bring this all together but its moving quite rapidly.  And I think that we’re just maybe one major world crisis away from all of this jelling and coming together.  And so the stage is clearly being set.

Sid: Now Gary, in your DVD’s you mention specific names, evangelicals that are involved that I have to tell you are household words.  You mention you get very specific in that, I’m curious, has this gotten you in trouble?

Gary: Well, to a large extent we have been flying beneath the radar so to speak.

Sid: Well, you’re not going to be any more, once we get these DVD’s out.

Gary: Yeah, I have done a number of talk shows on this and back in the ‘90s I was even asked to run as Lieutenant Governor or Indiana by one of the candidates who is planning and so I’ve had visibility and I have spoken on this.  But when it comes to the mass media they have stirred clear of.  And so the average American is not aware of this but a growing number of people in Christian and Jewish circles are becoming aware of it now.  And you know and they need to be aware of it, but I had to decide what to do and whether I’m willing to suffer any consequences that come with it.  But I believe the hour is so late that we have to be willing to speak the truth in love and do so without apologizing for it.  And anyone who knows me closely knows that I am not a hateful person, that I love the Islamic people, that I love the Hindu people…

Sid: Gary, we’re out of time right now.

Dennis: Well, I was so overwhelmed with the lie of the enemy that there came that point and I shared with your listeners in the earlier interviews that after my mentor made that advance on me…

Sid: And for those that are listening for the first time, Dennis was a Christian, he had played the piano in church, he was a worship leader, but he was homosexual and he was living in such a conflict that he even despaired of life so go ahead.

Dennis: Well, what I was going to say was, there came a point after that night when I tried to take my life that even in the middle of, I turned on my gas stove and didn’t light the flame and I just couldn’t take it anymore it was just the pressure was too much.  And I heard this little voice say to me, “Are you prepared for what awaits you in eternity?  And that scared me so badly I get up after a few minutes, turn off the gas and I make this declaration to my own self this is just the way that I was born, I am going to stop fighting it.  So I lived the next year believing that this was all I had to look forward to in my life.  But what really happened at that “Second of Acts” concert was that the Lord met me with the reality of who He says I am.   I had been seeing life from the wrong perspective, so when we get to that place where we understand, “You know what, I’m who my Father says I am, I am not defined by my past, I’m not defined by what tempts me, I’m not defined by any present circumstances there’s only one who gets to define me and that’s my Creator and so I had better be going to Him.”  So that’s what happened to me, I just decided “You know what, I’m not even going to believe my own feelings anymore; in fact you know what You feel Father; in fact when I go to lead worship, that’s how I lead worship.  “Lord would you give me a sense of the need for this group and then besides that would you just let me feel what you feel toward them so I can tap into what you feel towards them.”  And my goodness, I can’t go wrong even in my leading of worship because it all begins and ends with Jesus, it just does.

Sid: Now in your wildest imagination could you believe when you were in the midst of sin, in the midst of such turmoil you couldn’t even think straight that you would be married with nine children?  As a matter of fact, you had a vision of that, you must have thought that must have been a pizza vision.

Dennis: Well, after the Lord, in November 7th 1981 I can just remember I can never forget that day, but when the Lord began to flood me with His love, he also began to flood me with an understanding of who He says I am and if He says I am this, or I am that then I am going to choose to believe that.  And in the process of that, He said, “What do you want out of life, Son?  Well, here’s what I have for you, I want you to be the children of many children.”  I said, “Well, Lord, I do I want many children.”  And the number that came into my heart was the number nine and the funny story of that to show you the power of the Holy Spirit after Melinda and I became pregnant with what we thought was number eight Melinda just felt like this is all the grace I have left, I have grace for eight.

Sid: I don’t know how she had grace for eight, but go ahead.  Ha-ha.

Dennis: I said, okay Lord, I thought I heard you but I missed you before and I could have missed you, and He said “No, I told you nine, there are two in there.”  And so I told Melinda, “You are going to have twins.”  And then my daughter Hannah, who was six at that time had a dream from the Lord, and in this dream, the Lord showed her that she was going to have twin brothers.  So she told her Momma, you are going to have twins so Melinda wouldn’t believe it but low and behold, when it came time to have that first ultrasound, Melinda called me and said, “Are you sitting down?”  She said, “It’s twins, and so the Lord really did give us that particular number and then it came to past.

Sid: Now give me a description of the atmosphere in your praise gatherings, what are you after, what are you looking for?

Dennis: My number one goal is to, all I have to do as a worship leader, this is the truth, is to remind people that God is there and that they need to deal with that reality.  And then we begin wherever I feel like the Holy Spirit says to begin.  I don’t necessarily begin with celebration but a lot of times I do, but I want people to understand that this is what’s going on in Heaven, let’s take part in that.  And even and because I have so many people who come who don’t have a charismatic background or don’t understand outward demonstrations of worship I’ll often begin with this, you know what there are people here in this group tonight who this is going to be outrageous to them.  You are going to see people doing things that you reserve for football games even, but here’s the deal, he who has been forgiven much, loves much.  So I want you to extend grace to those that are very demonstrative and now you people that are very demonstrative you need to extend grace to those that this is brand new to and don’t try to force them into your mold because God is totally giving them the peace of mind to just soak in His presence.  Both are acceptable, both are good, so when I set the people at ease in that way, you’d be surprised how free people get.  And in the midst of that, all I’m doing is okay Lord, where do we go next, okay Lord, who do you want me to sing over next?  In fact there was one time, it was probably ten years ago we were having a New Years Eve night of praise in Oklahoma City and I felt the Holy Spirit say “Ask all of those who are considering taking their lives tonight to stand.  And those that are coming and this is their last resort, we had over fifty people stand.  And I just asked the people present to go lay hands on those people and I sang a prophetic song over them and not one of those people took their lives that night.

Sid: Well, I believe that as we play one of your songs the anointing will be so strong that even before they get their CDs deliverance is going to happen.  Tell me about the song that you received called, “Holy is Your Name.”

Dennis: Well, that is…the Lord’s Name is so significant to me that when we begin a relationship with anyone we get to know their name and with that name we attach, we associate their character, their nature.  So I went on this long journey of understanding the covenant names of God.  Jehovah Shema, Jehovah Tsidkenu, Jehovah Rophe, all the names that He calls Himself throughout the word and then I realized that because this is my Father and this is who He says I am, then that has a whole realm of possibility for me as an heir and joint heir with Christ.  So the magnificent, holiness of God is available to me as His child, as His new creation.  So it’s a song of worship just extolling the fact that our God is holy, He is like no other god and there is no other god who could be like Him.

Sid: “Holy is Your Name” by Dennis Jernigan.

Music excerpt: “Holy is Your Name” Dennis Jernigan

Sid: That was the Psalmist, Dennis Jernigan and I promise you the anointing is so strong in the studio right now, is so strong on his music, is so strong on his words that this is you know I keep saying this every time I get a new CD, but without a doubt this the strongest I have ever seen in our prayer meetings when we use his music for that.

Sid: And I have Pastor Bill Ligon in the studio today and you have the privilege of learning something that has been hijacked, has been stolen from the Church.  The power of imparting the Blessing.  What the Jewish Patriarchs knew that the Church today does not.  How could a slave nation that is freed become one of the greatest nations in the world; how did that develop but God; but the power of God?  Now Pastor Bill, tell me how God pulled this off, I mean all of these slaves in the desert and organizing them?  I mean you would think that everyone would be going their own way.

Bill: When you consider Sid that these people had in four hundred years history of slavery, they had been verbally cursed and abused, they had been physically cursed and abused in many many ways and God gave Moses that challenge.  Not only to deliver them from bondage to the strongest dictator of his day and take them through a desert but into a land filled with hostile tribes and establish them as a great nation with self esteem.  These people had no self worth, they had no self esteem and God gave to Moses three pillars of faith to accomplish that.  Those three pillars of faith have got to be present in the lives of people with low self esteem, low self worth in order for their lives to be changed and for them to accomplish their mission and their purpose and know their identity and their destiny in this life.  Those three that God gave to Moses first of all were the Blood Covenant, we call it the Passover.  He delivered them from Pharaoh’s control in Egypt through the power of the Blood; the same thing that God will do to deliver people today.  When they got out to Mount Sinai he called Moses up on the mountain and there he gave him the moral code; we call it the Ten Commandments.  But he gave him the moral code of God, the first four of which told them how to relate to God; the last six how to relate to one another.  That moral code is so important in the lives of God’s people.  In Psalm 19 the Bible says that this law of God this moral code of God converts the soul; changes the lives of people.  But then God gave to Moses the High Priestly Blessing.  And that High Priestly Blessing in Numbers Chapter 6:23-26 releases God’s favor upon his people and changes them.  Changes people from having no self esteem, no moral worth to having a great confidence in God and great confidence in themselves.

Sid: It’s the supernatural.

Bill: Exactly.

Sid: Of the supernatural God that is released that has been stolen from the Church.

Bill: That’s right and one of the first evidences that I saw, the power of this happened when shortly after we began to teach the principals of blessing in the church.  One of the mothers called me and said Pastor, “We have a real problem in our home.”  I said, “What is it?” She said “Our seventh grader he failed the seventh grade and he just brought home his first six weeks report card with all F’s.”  What do I do?  And I said, “Well, you and your husband bring him to me.”  She said, “Well, I want you to know that we’ve tried everything, we’ve tried spanking him, rewarding him, we’ve had him in to counselor’s office at school, we’ve had him in the principal’s office; nothing is working.”  So when I met the boy, I saw that he had no self esteem, no self worth, now there were things that we had to do to change his life.  So we took the same pillars of faith that God gave to Moses and we applied them to that boy’s life.  First of all, we taught his parents to pray and ask him to give them a different understanding of the potential in their son.  Because all they saw was his failure and they spoke his failure over him, they said “If you don’t change you will never make anything of yourself.”  So they began to understand that they had to see the potential in this boy.

Sid: They were doing the blessing in reverse…

Bill: They were cursing him.

Sid: They were cursing him, yes.

Bill: They were speaking spoken curses over his life.

Sid: And it was working.

Bill: Exactly and the teachers were doing the same thing.  And I taught the boy that the spoken blessing is the only thing that will break the spoken curse over your life.  So I had two things going on simultaneously.  First I had the parents laying hands on their son and speaking life and health over him every day.  May the Lord bless you with self esteem, may the Lord bless you with the ability to concentrate to retain information, to study properly, to behave in the school.  May the Lord give you those qualities and then I taught the boy how to bless his teachers because they were curing him.  I didn’t have access to his teachers and when he had learned well, I sent him to school the next day when he went to each classroom he approached the teachers desk, he said, “Teacher may I speak to you a moment?”  “What is it trouble maker?”  “Well, I want you to know that I am sorry for the way that I’ve acted in your class but you’re an excellent teacher and may God raise you up to be the star teacher in this school and may the Lord give you favor in all that you do in success and in all of your ways.”  I had a whole series of blessings that he was to speak over his teachers to breaks the curse over himself.  Well, one teacher out of all of them took the occasion to curse him again.  He said, “You are a liar, I don’t believe anything that you say, you’ll never make anything out of yourself, I don’t want you in my classroom.”

Sid: That must have crushed that young man.

Bill: Well, I had him ready, I had him prepared, he just remained quiet, didn’t react to it he didn’t get angry.  When the teacher was through he said, “I understand how you feel and I’m sorry for that but you’re an excellent teacher and may God raise you up to be the star teacher in this school” and he spoke the blessing the second time.

Sid: Oh, he must have crushed that teacher.

Bill: I asked him, I said, “What did the teacher do?”  He said, he just sat there quietly for a moment and then said, “Well if you feel that way maybe we can try again.”  And that day that boy broke the spoken curses over his life.  Many people struggle Sid with spoken curses over their lives from their own parents and from their brothers and sisters or siblings; from other people, from teachers in schools and from colleagues at work.  They struggle under those curses in their lives.  That boy broke it that day, he finished high school with all A’s and B’s, was invited to enter pilots school and trained and became a jet pilot and began to fly cargo jets around the world.  That’s the boy that the teachers and the parents were saying were saying, “He would never make anything out of himself.”  And the power of the blessing is what God used to reverse that boys life, just like God used the power of the blessing to change those enslaved Israelites into a great nation.

Sid: Now I want you to point out, because we talking before we went on the air there is so much you cover in your course, but tell me about the value of the spoken blessing in scripture.  Let’s go all the way back to Adam and Eve.

Bill: Well, when God first created Adam and Eve as recorded in Genesis 1:27 & 28.  The first thing that God did for Adam and Eve was to speak a blessing over them.  And this is the blessing He spoke.  He said that, he blessed them and said, the scripture says He blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.”  Now one of the great Hebrew scholars, a German theologian by the name of Dr. Clause Vestryman says in one of his writings that he finds in the Hebrew that at that point God released on Adam and Eve the power of procreation.  And when my wife and I saw that we began to bless husbands and wives who were barren and hadn’t been able to bear children.

Sid: Now I know about your Son and Daughter –in-law, they were in that situation, they couldn’t have children.  What happened to them?

Bill: They have five today.

Sid: I know that.

Bill: Five children, which are my precious grandchildren of course and God did that for us.  We have for instance about two hundred grandchildren around the nation who God gave to these barren couples because of the blessing being spoken over their lives.  And I could go on and tell you exactly…

Sid: I have a better idea; there are some people listening right now and their saying, “Bring it on Pastor Bill, pray that blessing over me.”  Now there are some others that are saying, don’t you dare pray that blessing over me.  Would you pray right now for barren woman that want to have children?

Bill: If you are a barren wife right now and you want to have children I encourage you right now to put one hand toward your radio and the other hand on your stomach.  Now, if you are driving just put a hand on your stomach and you receive it right now.  And so “May the Lord Himself now, bless you and release upon you the power of procreation, may you be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and may the Lord break now the curse of barrenness over your body in the name of Yeshua, Jesus our Messiah, Amen.”

Sid: You know there is something about speaking the blessing of God and even revealing it that is releasing a presence of God in this studio over that prayer.  But I believe that we’ve just hit something where it’s not just barrenness it’s anything based on the promises of God.  I mean you’re seeing, in fact on tomorrow’s broadcast I want you to tell me about how it plays out in your home.  How it works with your two sons, how it works in your marriage.  Because we have marriages that are in trouble in the United States of America and throughout the world and I believe the revelation that you have obtained literally through prayer and through study over tall these years are going to transform people.  When you teach your seminar in person and of course we have the four CDs, what kind of feedback are you getting from people that go through your book or listen to your seminars?

Bill: When they apply the principals, when they study these principals, they get the materials and study it and apply these principals to their lives we see tremendous results.  We have testimony after testimony of peoples whose lives have changed because they have began to release the spoken blessing over one another.

Sid: I believe it’s going to revolutionize your marriage; it’s going to revolutionize your children; I believe that it’s going to revolutionize your business; your health, your relationships.  And I believe I told Pastor Bill this, but many years ago when I was exposed to this teaching my father who comes from an Orthodox Jewish background and did not know the Messiah, of course, I asked him to bless me.  And do you know what he did Pastor Bill, he put his hands on me and he prayed the Aaronic Blessings.  On my Father’s death bed he received the Lord and He’s in heaven today… oops were out of time.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Rabbi Jonathan Cahn. We’re finding out the most fascinating, Jonathan, God has really gifted you with a gift of revelation. But when I think about you, you have a prophetic edge to the scriptures. Have you been like this for a long time?

JONATHAN: I guess I have. I don’t know. I can’t say these things happened. God just led me. It was one thing after the other.

SID: Okay. Isaiah, Chapter 9, Verse 10 lists nine harbingers, warnings, progressive warnings from God, and He’s saying, “Stop. Come to your sense. I want to bless you. You started on the foundation of my love and my calling,” He says to Israel. And He says that to the United States of America, too. “I do not want to destroy you.” But I want to understand the vows. This is so phenomenal. Explain this.

JONATHAN: Okay. Everything goes according to Isaiah 9:10, the key of a nation’s judgment. And so now in America, here’s what happened in ancient Israel. This harbinger now is the vow itself, and that is the actual proclaiming or speaking of the vow of defiance, Isaiah 9:10. So here’s the thing. Who would have said it? The leaders have to have said it because it wouldn’t be significant if it wasn’t the leaders. It represents the nation. It represents we are not going to turn back to you, God. We’re going to rebuild. We’re going to come back stronger than ever, Isaiah 9:10. So what has to happen for this harbinger to manifest now in America is that a leader, a national leader, has to say the vow, has to actually utter the ancient vow. It has to happen in the capitol city. That’s where they would have said it ancient Israel, in the capitol city, and it has to be done publicly. So could this have happened? The problem is what national leader is going to want to pronounce judgment on America? And no one would intentionally. But here’s what happened amazingly. On the third anniversary of 9/11, this is September 11, 2004, in the capitol city, Washington, before at a public setting, the vice presidential candidate for the office, the Democratic ticket, he rises up.

SID: This is John Edwards?

JONATHAN: This is John Edwards. He rises up and he begins a speech. He’s supposed to be talking about 9/11 and it seems to be inspiring. And this is what he says: “Today on this day of remembrance and warning we have the Lord’s word to get us through.” Then he says it. “The bricks have fallen, but we will rebuild with dress stones. The sycamores have been cut down, but we will put cedars in their place.” He actually gives the vow of judgment on a nation. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. But he’s actually pronouncing.

SID: So it’s like a replay of what happened in ancient Israel is happening in the United States.

JONATHAN: Exactly. Out of 30,000 scriptures to choose from for inspiring, you don’t choose this one. In fact, people don’t even know this one. He says it, this is the vow that pronounces judgment, and it’s identifying America as the nation under judgment turning away from God. And he doesn’t only do that. He builds his whole speech around this. He goes on to say, “We are putting cedars up. We are putting up the stones and those cedars shall rise.” He goes on and on.

The whole speech is Isaiah 9:10, and he has no idea. He’s speaking figuratively. He has no idea. Actually, there was a tree, the sycamore. There actually was. All these things happened and he has no idea.

SID: He’s being a prophet and doesn’t realize it, but it’s a prophet of judgment. What I find interesting is shortly thereafter, he fell into disgrace. Now there was a second vow.

JONATHAN: Yes. Now the other harbinger, the vow is also a prophecy. It’s spoken before these things happen. It says, “We will do this.” So Israel says it before it would happen. It also becomes a matter of national record through Isaiah. It becomes part of Isaiah. So for this to happen – same thing? It’s going to be the leader, capitol city, but spoken before these things happen. In other words, right after the event, and it becomes a matter of national record. It speaks prophetically. So could this have happen? Amazing! On the day after 9/11, the very day, that morning, America has to give its response to the world. So this is really significant, prophetically. America has to; this is the response of America to this judgment or this calamity. So what happens? The man appointed to do this is the Senate Majority Leader, the head of the Senate. The senate represents the nation and he is Tom Daschle. He has to come up. He’s the man appointed. He gives the thing, and he gives a speech, and here’s what happens: bizarre, ominous, eerie and profound. At the end of the speech, he closes with this pinnacle. He says, “I know there’s only the smallest measure of inspiration that can be taken from this devastation, but I think there is a passage in the Bible from Isaiah that I think speaks to all of us at times.”

SID: Of all the scriptures, he picks that one.

JONATHAN: Amazing. And he says it from Capitol Hill, from the floor of the Senate, national record. “The bricks have fallen, but we will rebuild with dress stones. Victories have befell, but we will replace them with cedars.” And then he goes on. The very day after, pronouncing judgment; linking it all together to ancient Israel. Then he goes on to say, it’s not just Israel. It’s our vow now. He says, “That is what we, America, will do.” In other words, this is going to be American policy. “We will rebuild. We will recover.” He is speaking prophetically. He has no idea that there actually is a tree, that day that was just found. He has no idea that years later, all these things he says are actually going to happen at Ground Zero. He’s predicting that America, he’s prophesying that America is going to go the course of defiance as ancient Israel. He’s setting a course without realizing it.

SID: So John Edwards does this. He shortly falls, almost a prophetic sign. Tom Daschle then fell into disgrace when he was asked to be part of the cabinet, if you remember. But here’s the amazing thing to me. President Barak Obama knows nothing about any of this. But President Barak Obama is also involved in this vow of national defiance. Jonathan, you told me that there is even a key, a mystery, if you will, to the economic judgment that will hit America as part of the progressive judgments that are occurring.

JONATHAN: The harbingers, this is not the end. This is the beginning because the harbingers are going to touch everything. They’re going to touch the American economy. They’re going to touch the world economy. They’re going to actually determine the exact days when these calamities are going to happen. Amazing! In fact, it is already touching everyone listening. And every American and their bank account and everything else is in an ancient mystery.

SID: Next week, you will understand a key from the Bible that gives an understanding of why the shaking, financially, is occurring in America. Very few people understand this. It takes someone with a Jewish background that understands the ancient prophets. What happened in Israel is happening in the United States of America right now. And I am concerned about you. Do you have religion with defiance? What do I mean by defiance? Without repentance. What do I mean by repentance? Meaning turning from your sin and start to serve God. It’s time to repent and get right to God. You know why? You don’t know when your end is going to come. That’s why.

Ron: Yes, my Mother has gone home to heaven, but Mother died well last October; told me she was going and two days later left and my sister found her asleep and gone to Glory.

Sid: Now that’s the way you’re suppose to die in your sleep.

Ron: Yeah, she died well.  And she had seen the doctor the day before and, but she told me three days before or four days before her death she told me she was tired and she missed Daddy and she wanted to go and be with God and go with the Lord Jesus.  But the devil tried to take her out with a heart problem four or five years earlier and she had open heart surgery and my brother called me and said, “You got to come home, I was in Amsterdam Holland, my mother’s dying.  So I’m telling you, angels got me home; I mean I was home within fifteen hours, which is a miracle when you don’t have flight arrangements.  And I walked in Mother’s chest was still open and my Uncle was standing there and said, “Where are you going to have Gladys’s funeral?  I said, “Anybody in this room that does not believe my Mother can be healed leave now.” I ran everybody out of the room, but my brother and my sister; and they will tell you, I stretched my hands over my mother’s open chest and the angels came; and you could feel a tangible heaviness, a cloud that came in over Mother right then.  And the next morning the doctor closed her; Mother had several good years of life; Mother was never in a nursing home; Mother was always, she had independent living.  She was always ready to drive her car, the funny thing that happened is that they put her on dialysis because of her kidneys and they told me, they told us that she can’t live without dialysis and Mother said, “I’m healed.”  So they took her off of dialysis and wanted us to come waiting for her to die.  And Mother said, “Give me a Coke,” and went to the restroom; she lived four more years; she never had to go back on dialysis.   And I am firmly convinced that I stuck my hands over my Mother that there was a tangible presence of God and the angels came around.  And Mother knows Mother talked about people being in the room with her when nobody was in the room so we know that she had angelic care during that season.  And I believe Sid that people that are listening to this broadcast can experience the same healing.

Sid: Well, I sense the presence of the Holy Spirit for healing and you told me there was a host of angels in your room because we are doing this interview by way of telephone.  What are these angels up to right now?

Ron: Well, here’s what the Lord’s telling me, Satan one of his assignments is to wear out the saints.  Two out of three sick people whose bodies are sick have been attacked demonically in their mind or in their heart and are wore out, their depressed, it’s manifested now in physical symptoms, some of them are getting stomach disorders and cancers because of it.  But you remember that it says that when Jesus was tempted, after he rebuked the devil with the Word of God, it said in Matthew 4:11 “The angels came and ministered to Him.”  I believe that God sends the angels to bring ministry to those whom the enemy has attacked.  The Bible says in Acts 10 “That Jesus when He went he went forth, He went about doing good and healed all those who were oppressed of the devil.” So right now I believe that He’ll heal all who are listening to me right now.  Know that the angels can move beyond the speed of light, they are here they are two angels for every devil.  And so right now in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I command angels to go forth to every listener to touch, to minister, to heal even those that are participating in this broadcast in the room; in the area who are here.  Anyone hearing my voice angels will come to strengthen you and to minister to you and as the Spirit of God releases healing by the blood of Jesus let the angels come and bring strength to dead limbs and to vision to blind eyes and hearing to deaf ears and encouragement to those who are depressed that have a spirit of heaviness.  I ask right now, I command demonic spirits of infirmity to leave.  Devils get off of their chest; get off of their back right now.  I command angels that escort to these demonic entities to the pit to the dry places for never to return and I command that healing will go forth in the name of Jesus.  Oh, Holy angels of God we command you to do what you are assigned to do according to Hebrew 1:14 at the voice of our Lord Jesus go forth and strengthen and heal the people in Jesus name.

Sid: Now you explained that just recently an angel who identified himself as Noble came to visit you and the result was you were strengthen in your spirit; you were strengthened in your body.  And what you said was a word from God that there are people listening to us right now that are just weary from the fight.

Ron: That’s right.

Sid: And I believe that if you pray right now that supernaturally the weariness will lift off of them and they are going to get a jump in their step and a new joy is going to come to them.

Ron: Yes, Father right now, you strengthen those like Elijah who on assignment for you the devil has tried to wear out.  I pray right now like you hock jumper cords up to a dead car battery that angel would come on each side of everyone hearing me right now, and Lord that those angels would strengthen believers from the inside out and not just their should not just an encouragement to their mind, but Lord their body physically right now.  Lord every disease of weakness of the body known and unknown will leave and that angels strength will flow.  I just pray now in the Name of Jesus and right now some of you need to pray in the language of angels.   Loose your prayer language now and feel the rest and strength begin to flow into your soul right now.  Angels can touch and minister to believers in your journey and angels are touching you right now in Jesus Name.

Sid: Now this is strange Ron, but my lips are beginning to tremble so I’m going to have to be obedient. (Prayer language flowing from Sid) What is God showing you Ron?

Ron: I’m telling you right now people instead of going under I see people are being lifted up on a wave and being carried instead of swimming and struggling across the dark waters they are being lifted like a surfboard and carried across their difficulties right now.  And you are going to make it to another level right now in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.  It’s happening right now in the mighty name of Jesus Christ He’s lifting you right now; He’s strengthening you right now.  Somebody’s weary from the journey right now I want you to know that like Philip was escorted by an angel in Act’s 8 suddenly God almighty can move you quickly and suddenly from that circumstance you in to another place.  You are going to open your eyes and realize that I’ve made it through I’m somewhere else I’m in a different level; the past is over now in Jesus Name.

Sid: And in your book you talk about the protection that’s found in Psalm 91 for those that know the secret place.  What is the secret place to you?

Ron: The secret place of the Most High is that place of intimacy with God and if you read through Psalm 91 and in my book it’s in that chapter.  There is a place of immunity and it’s where angels’ take care of you where no sickness, you know it’s good to get healed but wouldn’t it be better if no sickness came near your house?  Wouldn’t it be better rather than God recovering you from a fall if you didn’t trip and the angel’s were there to help you?  The secret place of the Most High is the third level; it’s that Holy of Holies experience.  It’s is that which God gives you when you are alone with Him and your body become a temple of the Holy Ghost and hear me, angels are ministered to the temple.  Angels, and if you live your life right with God the angels hover around your body as a worshiping experience and you move into that secret place your overshadowed just like the mercy seat.

Sid: You know what I’m reminded of?  There is a big debate over what to do about health insurance and everything believers should be way beyond that.  We should be in that secret place.

Ron: That’s right, and it says that no plague will come near your house, you know right now I just rebuke the swine flu in Jesus Name and declare that angels guard my house and your house from it in Jesus Name.  Oh, I got too loud but.

Sid: That’s okay but I’m going to tell you something, I can see Ron how God has prepared you step by step…you understand the Greek you understand the scriptures, because you were trained in the finest of Bible schools and then you had encounters with angels.  The Title of your book is “Invisible Allies.”  And what is your prayer for everyone that reads this book?

Ron: Oh, Heavenly Father, let them see, Lord touch their eyes like you did the servant of Elijah to see that the army around them in the Heavenlies is bigger than that which is against them.  Heavenly Father come anointing and show them Your presence and power and bring them the awareness that the spiritual world is more real and lasting than the difficulties their walking through today.  Come Holy Spirit, come angels of God do your work in Jesus Name.

Sid: Remember Mishpochah we are in the last of the last days and human options are dwindling we must learn how to partner with the angels.

Sid: My guest is Red Hot for the Messiah, his name is Don Heist and I have his wife Sue here by way of telephone.  And Don has been a guest on Messianic Vision and it’s Supernatural because he has an amazing gift and an amazing musical instrument.  It’s called the shofar.  Don for those that aren’t familiar with the shofar, what is it?

Don: Oh, a shofar is made out of the Kudos Antelope horns and it’s actually the first instrument mentioned in the Bible in the book of Genesis, where Abraham and Isaac are up on Mount Moriah and God provides the ram as a sacrifice in place of Isaac.  And that’s where we get the beginning of the ram’s horn or the shofar and then it’s used throughout the scriptures far after that.

Sid: Now is it so supernatural?

Don: Well, it’s the voice of God.  I believe that it’s truly the voice of God and as God sounded it himself on Mount Sinai he declared His own holy presence and it’s going to be the sound that we’re going to hear at the great final shofar blast that God Himself will sound when we are all taken home.

Sid: Well, let me tell you something that the ancient Rabbi’s believed that when the shofar was blown all of the words of all of the Jewish prophets came into the atmosphere once.  Do you know what that mean?  All the promises of God came into the atmosphere and I happened to believe when someone that is a born again believer blows that shofar, all of the promises of the New Covenant come into the atmosphere.  What type of healings, just real briefly are you seeing when you blow the shofar?

Don: We are seeing an amazing amount of healings that God is using His voice through the shofar and prayer to heal people of blindness, opening deaf ears; we’ve seen a number of cases where cancer has been completely removed from the body of the person we have been praying with.  And God just uses this, I believe it uses His voice to penetrate through the body, it changes the molecular structure of the person and in the room as well and by that a Voice of God they are healed.

Sid: Speaking about changing the molecular structure in the room, you have a CD called “Take Me In” and I’ve never heard of another one like this.  We have CD’s with people blowing the shofar, but you actually you become like a musician with a worship team and I have to ask you this, question.  I heard you blow the shofar, I have heard many people blow the shofar, but you really blow it like a musical instrument.  Has anyone ever told you that your sound is almost, it’s different than most?

Don: Well, I’ve been told by many church leadership people that they feel that the sound is much different and I can’t take any credit for that except that the Lord has been gracious to me and gifted me with this.

Sid: Well, I’m reminded about what my good friend Paul Wilbur says about you, he says, and I’m going to quote him exactly “Many blow the shofar, but Don sounds the instrument for God.”  Now I want to ask you, what do you believe Paul means by saying that about you?

Don: Well, it’s just like in any instrument of prayer, it’s with the anointing or without, and I think that there is a price that needs to be paid to gain that anointing and there’s a heart issue at stake that if your heart has made Jesus the Lord of your life, then God will find or create opportunities for you to serve Him through ministry.  Fortunately for me I have been blessed that this is one of the things in shofar that God has been using to heal people and change the sound.  Now I play the instrument, I try to think of it as playing the shofar rather than blowing it, to me you blow a New Years Eve horn.  But I play it as a musical instrument and I actually have six of them that I’ve had custom made that are tuned to six different pitches and so whatever worship team I’m worshipping with at that moment or that day I switch horns to the key that they’re playing in.  It’s much more pretty to the ear and easy to hear, but I think it also clarifies and focuses God’s voice into the worship even more so.  And I try to never use printed music because I just like to close my eyes and let the Holy Spirit take me away and I just play as led and I’ve been very blessed that many major worship leaders have granted me as one has said of me, “Take your liberty, you just do what the Holy Spirit tells you to do.”

Sid: Well, let me tell you something, I want to do with the CD, I haven’t done it yet, but when I travel and if I have someone with me that blows the shofar, when you go into a hotel room, you don’t know what has transpired you know, the days and hours and weeks previous in that room so obviously I pray.  But if I have someone that can blow the shofar, I ask them to come into my hotel room and blow the shofar and it sanctifies the hotel room, but I have a better idea now, you get an iPod and an I pad or something that plays the CD and what if you start playing that shofar the minute you get in your room, you CD “Take me In.” what do you believe is going to happen to the atmosphere of that room when someone goes to sleep?

Don: Well, because it’s the voice of God and not just a case of a human being sounded an instrument, because it’s the voice of God the shofar is the only instrument that will confuse the enemy to the point that he flees.

Sid: That’s what the ancient rabbis say, “It says that the so far drives the devil crazy.  Let’s hear one of your selections “Come Let’s Go Up to the Mountain” and one of the instruments is the shofar.

Don Heist’s selection: “Come Let’s Go Up to the Mountain” 7:19 – 11:00

Sid: My guest is Co Producer of Its Supernatural Television and Messianic Vision Radio, Janie DuVall, another Jewish person that is Red Hot for Jesus and we’ve been reminiscing and talking about the updated versions of my life’s story.

Janie: And if you want to the Red Hot they have to read that story because it’s not just a testimony and it’s called “There Must Be Something More.”  Oh, by the way, why did you even come up with that title, “There Must Be Something More?”

Sid: Well, I use to be a song writer and I wrote a song called, “There Must Be Something More.”

Janie: That was before you were a believer in Jesus?

Sid: Yes, and you know this Janie because you’re a creative person and you write music.  What’s you write is what’s going on inside of your heart.  And my heart was crying out, “There must be something more.  And remember the words, “There must be something more because I work, eat, sleep and that’s the way it goes, because that’s the way it goes; and I work, eat sleep and that’s the way it goes.  And it was almost like my heart was saying, “There must be something more!”  And here I have Christians walking all around me, a broker at Merrill Lynch, a lot of Christians that were my clients, no one shared Jesus with me and remember I told you about that major secular Washington DC newspaper that had me on the front page and the headline, “White Collar Jesus Freaks.”  I got a phone call from one of my clients and they said, “Sid, we’re so happy for you, that you believe in Jesus.”  And I thought to myself, “Why didn’t you tell me I almost lost my life?”

Janie: “Why didn’t you tell me?

Sid: And I have to tell you, “God is so good, every member of my immediate Jewish family believes in Jesus.”

Janie: Now how did your Mom believe in Jesus?

Sid: Well, she saw the miracles, she saw the change in my life, I shared prophecies with her and it just like never took.  But over the years, God was faithful with my prayers and one day, my mother said, “You know Sid, I don’t believe in Jesus because you pray for the sick and have miracles and because you believe in Jesus, I now believe because I believe in Jesus.”  And so, but and I know that Dad will believe in Jesus, she said, “Don’t say that.”  See she was being a Jewish mother; she was trying to protect me.  She knew my father it would be impossible for him to believe in Jesus.  So I said, “Mom, you’re wrong I know that Dad’s going to be a believer in Jesus.”  But my Father was born in Poland and raised in an Orthodox Jewish family and the worst thing, a tragedy was that his son became a outspoken believer in Jesus.

Janie: And you would try to speak to him, you would try to talk to him about proving that Jesus was the Messiah and you would even read from Isaiah 53.  What would he think?  I mean here that’s just totally talking about Jesus before he was born.

Sid: Well, that was an interesting occasion, I read Isaiah 53 to him and I read it from a non-Jewish Bible, it was the same as the Jewish Bible, it was a full Bible that an Old Testament in it and he said, “I don’t accept that, that’s a Christian Bible.  So I went to our Orthodox Jewish Rabbi and I said, “Rabbi, could you give me a Tanach that is an approved Jewish scriptures and could you inscribe something in it to me.”  And so he knew I was a believer in Jesus at that point, he couldn’t figure out why, but he figured well maybe so he inscribed something and he gives me a Tenach.  I go to my father, I read the same Isaiah 53, which I might add, reads the same way and he said, “You know something, I always thought there was something wrong with that Rabbi,” there’s something wrong with that…in other words it sounded so much like Jesus, he thought that somehow someone had tampered with that Jewish Bible because he said, “You are speaking about Jesus,” he would not believe that Jesus was the Messiah.

Janie:  “Did you get frustrated and did you want to give up?”

Sid:  “No, I can’t tell you why, but I always believed and I always said, I know my Father is going to be a believer in Jesus.”  It had to come from God, because…

Janie:  “Supernatural faith.”

Sid: Because everything I saw said, what my mother said to me, “He’ll never be a believer in Jesus” and my sister became a believer in Jesus; my Jewish-brother in-law became a believer, the whole family except my Dad, he was the hold out.  And a week before he died, a presence of God came on me, but not just came on me Janie; it was like twenty-four hours and day for an entire week.

Janie:  “When you say presence, what did you feel like?”

Sid:  “I felt like felt like I felt when I got saved, when the presence of God came into my room; it was such a wonderful feeling and I didn’t know why.”  And then I got a phone call that my Father was dying.  He was in intensive care in the Hospital and so I called my sister and we went to the hospital and the doctor said that he’s dying and he left us alone with him.  And my Father had throat problems, he couldn’t speak at this point and his body was just totally deteriorated.  And so I said, “Dad, Mom used to say; “Heaven must be a wonderful place.”  I remember my mother use to say that because of what I told her.  “Heaven must be a wonderful place; this was before she was even a believer.”

Janie: And she was in Heaven by that time.

Sid: Yes, she had died and so I said, “Dad, don’t you want to be where Mom is? Don’t you want to be where Shirley is going to be, where I’m going to be so we can be together?  Don’t you want be in Heaven?  In order to be in Heaven, you have to believe that Jesus is the Messiah; do you believe that He’s our Messiah?”  And I could barely hear it, but I heard it he said, “Yes.”  And I said, “Shirley,” he said, “Yes.”  And my sister said, “Now my sister you have to understand is a nice refined school teacher, and all of a sudden she geta aggressive.”

Janie: Did she hear it?

Sid: No, she said, “I did not hear him.”  I said, “Shirley, this is so good for Dad, I mean let’s leave this alone, I heard him, that’s good enough.  “I did not hear him, and so she said, “Dad, do you believe that Jesus died for your sins and he is our Messiah, and at that point, my Father screamed, he had no voice, but he screamed, “I Believe.”

Janie: Awe!”

Sid: And then, but, but wait, but Janie listen, “Then my sister, this nice dignified refined quiet, almost introverted school teacher starts jumping up and down, in the intensive care ward of the hospital where sheeee everyone be quiet and starts screaming and screeching at the top of her lungs, and this is what she’s screaming, “Thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus.”  And so I said, “Shirley, what are you doing?”  And she said, “I told God, that when Dad receives the Lord I’m going to jump for joy.”

Janie: No matter where she is.

Sid: No matter where I am, and so she started jumping for joy and screeching at the top of her lungs, because you have to understand Janie, there was no way, but that presence of God that came on me for that week, it was the anointing that destroyed the yoke.  It was the presence of God and that same presence of God is coming on Jewish people one more time before Jesus returns.  Why?  So the Jewish people can be saved.  Why, so that they can come into the church.  Why? So the ancient Jewish Spiritual DNA will merge with the New Covenant, Gentile Christian DNA to form what Paul calls One New Man.  Why?  John 17 gives an answer, “Jesus said, “I pray that they.”  There are only two people groups at that time, Jews and Gentiles.  “I pray that they Jews and Gentiles might be one so the world will believe.”  That’s what is at stake and then he says, “The same glory that is on me, will be on them,” so when the Jewish people get saved and come into the Church, the same Glory.

Sid: The same glory is going to be on people and it’s starting now.  There’s a new move of God’s Spirit that is coming right now.

Janie: Right, and there’s a connection because when Jewish people come to the Lord, there’s an outpouring that happens on the church of miracles, of healings, of seeking the Glory, of seeing the things that were impossible to happen, happen.

Sid: …This is the Shabbat Broadcast.

Jonathan: Well, Sid in my study of scripture, there are very clear statements; I found very clear statements prophecies made by Jesus himself as well as the prophets of old, and the Apostle Paul that are absolutely clearly connected to the last days before Jesus returns.  And for the most part they’re completely overlooked by the church.

Sid: And not only that, many people are going to find themselves out of the favor of God because they don’t understand God’s plan for the Jew, the Church, and Israel in the last days.

Jonathan: That’s right and Sid what excites me is that the teaching concerning the days right before Jesus returns are about the outpouring of the greatest favor of God than at any time that we’ve seen since history, since history began.  And Sid, we live in those days,that’s why I wrote the book.

Sid: Okay, there’s a term called the fullness of the Gentiles that if I was a non-Jewish believer I would like to know about this and what it means.  I want you to teach as you do in your book a little bit from Roman’s 11:25.

Jonathan: Okay, well let me go to another scripture first to set that up.  Jesus was explaining to his disciples almost 2,000 years ago about the events that would happen immediately before His return.  And He made this statement, “Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles.”  Now Sid, this was a time that although they were under Roman captivity, Jerusalem was the center of Jewish life.  But Jesus was prophesying that Jerusalem would actually literally disappear off the Jewish map for a season that it would be trampled down.  He said, Jerusalem would be trampled down by the Gentiles until the times of Gentiles be fulfilled.  He was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem which took place in 70 AD; the destruction of the Temple and then all the subsequent battles to take Jerusalem by other Gentile nations until a set time in history when Jerusalem would come back under the control of the Jewish people.  Who then had to cry out to Him, “Blessed is He Who Comes in the Name of the Lord.”  Now that happened in our own life time, at least the life time of most of us listening, 1967.  Israel is attacked by the surrounding Arab neighbors enemies and in six days, talk about the hand of God; in six days they defeat their Arab enemies and the seventh day they rest.  The hand of God is all over the Six Day War and the greatest single event that came out of the Six Day War was the restoration of Jerusalem after almost 2000 years back into the hands of the Jewish people.  Sid almost immediately there was an outpouring of God’s Spirit on the Church.  Young people, Hippies came into the Kingdom of God; we call it the Jesus Movement; there was an outpouring of God’s Spirit in traditional churches called the Charismatic Renewal.  And little known fact Sid, hundreds if not thousands of Jewish young people were saved in the years following 1967; not an accident, not a coincidence it was the outpouring of God’s Spirit as promised when the times of the Gentiles would be filled.  That ties in with Romans 25 which says that, “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery Brethren.”  Who is He speaking to?  He’s speaking to the church at Rome, and he’s saying that this mystery, I don’t want you to be ignorant about.  I want you to understand it Brethren, if that was true of the Roman Church then, the gentile Church then, how much more today Sid?  He said, “The blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.”

Sid: And as you put it, for the last two thousand years there has been a blindness on the gentiles and I know you’re finding the same thing that I’m finding, that it’s when we teach gentile’s about what was really the basics of Christianity at the first church which they’ve been blind to for 2,000 years it’s like the Bible becomes brand new.

Jonathan: Absolutely and that’s what I’m finding with people who read my book and have written, emailed they said, “My eyes have been open; I’m seeing the Bible in a way I’ve never seen it before.  It’s like being born again again and it’s releasing faith.”  The word of God releases faith, faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the truth of God’s word. So Roman’s 11:25, I don’t want to be ignorant of this mystery of this Church if Paul wrote that it’s the Lord saying I don’t want you to be ignorant of this mystery.  What’s the mystery?  The mystery is not the blindness coming on the eyes of the Jewish people, that’s no mystery.  Isaiah said, “They have ears but they don’t hear, they have eyes but they don’t see.”  It’s not the mystery of the blindness Sid, you and I were raised in Jewish homes that were blinded to the Messiah.  The mystery is how and when the blindness will come off the eyes of the Jewish people.  And Paul tells that will come when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.  What does that mean, the fullness of the gentiles?  Well, number one, when you connect it with Luke 21:24 it’s the times of the Gentiles, it’s the fullness of time that God has a set period of time; just as He set a set time when the outpouring of the Holy Spirit would come on the Jews in Jerusalem, assembled in Jerusalem in the temple on Pentecost.  According to the Rabbis by the way, the same event, the same Holiday where the law was given, it’s now the outpouring of the Holy Spirit a Devine intersection between God and man Sid, being at the place at the right time.  And I don’t know about you, well I do know about you.

Sid: Ha-ha.

Jonathan: You and I want to be at the right place at the right time!  And people that are listening to this program want to be at the right place at the right time!  I’ll tell you what the right time is, now, now!

Sid: Well, if I’m understanding you right Jonathan you’re saying, “When the blindness comes off of the Gentiles or the fullness of the Gentiles comes in then they are going to be able to fulfill Roman’s 11:11; Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy and then the blindness comes off of the eyes of the Jewish people.”  It’s so simple you need help to get confused.

Jonathan: Actually you’re actually right; you jumped ahead because you know the same truth also. First of all the fullness of time connected to Jerusalem.  When Jerusalem comes back into Jewish hands “1967” it signals the set time of God, the appointed time to favor Zion is here, it began in 1967.  But secondly fullness of the Gentiles is yes, that very thing, the fullness of revelation; it’s the fullness of time number one, but number two it’s the fullness of revelation.  It’s the blindness coming off the eyes of the Gentiles that cause them to understand that the roots of their faith are Jewish; that the power of God is for today.  That healing and miracles is for today and not only for today, but it’s to be those that are listening that are to exhibit or bring forth that fullness of power and miracles and healings and then it removes the blindness of the eyes of the Jewish people.

Sid: The highest call on the face of this Earth God has granted to Gentile Christians, because they have the honor of completing the fullness of the Body of Jesus by provoking the Jewish people to jealousy.  And when this occurs it’s not that the Jew is any better than the Gentile Christian or the Gentile Christian is any better than the Jewish believer; it’s just the body is incomplete and when that body gets complete it’ll be the devil’s worse nightmare!

Jonathan: Nightmare Sid!  The thing that the devils been trying to keep happening for 2,000 years is going to happen and it means his demise! Amen.

Sid: Now the book, “A Rabbi Looks at Jesus of Nazareth,” it wouldn’t do me much good Jonathan if a traditional Rabbi looked at Jesus of Nazareth because I know their conclusions and their conclusions are based on the big Lie!  But by you looking at the scriptures I believe that what Paul is talking about in Roman’s 11 verse 25 you’re helping the blindness come off the eyes of Gentiles so they can then walk in that anointing from God to get the blindness off the eyes of Jewish people; so that the two can come together so that we can have the full dwelling place of God in the Spirit; so that we can have the greatest Gentile revival in history!  What a time to be alive!

Jonathan: Well said Sid, I believe that this is an end time equipping book, an end time equipping material that God has led me to write to equip the Gentile to fulfill their role, their destiny in bringing the gospel back the Jewish people so that together we can usher in the return of Jesus to this earth.

Sid: Jonathan, I love the quotes you have in your new book about the modern day architect of Rabbinic Judaism; the one that created the whole alternative to Biblical Judaism on his death bed, Jacque Ben Sockeye.  He said, “I see two roads before me and one is life and the other is death and I don’t know which road to take!”  It’s called what Jesus said, “If a blind man leads another blind man, won’t they both fall into a ditch?

Sid: I just got exposed to a teaching and I can’t wait for you to understand this because as you know for the past forty years I’ve been investigating healing and miracles and the supernatural.  And yeah we see the healing promised in Isaiah 53, 1 Peter 2:24 we recognize that, but there seems to be a disconnect between the truth of what Jesus did and manifesting that truth in many of our lives.  And when I find keys that help us manifest what we are given by the death and resurrection of Jesus I get excited; and this is one of those very very special keys.  I have Larry Hutton on the telephone and Larry, in 1976 you were pretty messed up physically, tell me about that.

Larry: Well, thirty-six years ago in 1976 I got healed of what the doctors called an incurable disease.  They said that it wasn’t terminal that I could live with it and have medication that could alleviate some of the symptoms.  But they did tests on me, I thought as I was a kid that it was just severe allergies, sinus, hay fever and then the doctors ran tests.  And they said, “Well, you have a deficiency in your body, you’re allergic to over a hundred twenty different things and so we could put you on medication the rest of your life.  And of course I like to play sports so the medication would alleviate symptoms so I could play.  But even with the medication I would have attacks that would cause my, just for me to get totally congested where I could hardly breath and sneezing and eyes swallow and all of this junk going on in your body.  And I mean even with the medication there’d be major attack where I couldn’t go to school or I couldn’t go play ball, things like that.  But I finally went to a church that believed that Jesus is the same today as when He physically walked the earth; He went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil then and He still does the same thing today.

Sid: Now before you went to that church, what would you have summarized your belief system as in reference to healing?

Larry: Well, I was taught in the church I was raised in which was a denominational church I was raised in and I was taught that God, first of all that God; healing and miracles had been done away with.

Sid: And you know, being Jewish and being saved at age thirty, I often wonder I don’t see how anyone can read the Bible Old or New Testament and come up with that conclusion, I don’t get it.

Larry: It’s a doctrine of devils is what it is; I’m telling you that it just deceives people.  And I believed healing and miracles had been done away with; that all ceased when the last apostle died.  Well, if you believe that it’s been done away with you sure not going to receive it.

Sid: Okay, but you go to this church and now I would think that you would think maybe it’s the devil speaking through these people that are talking about healing, that Jesus doesn’t change.

Larry: Yeah, exactly if fact when I got over there to the church that was having miracles happen and they taught me about Jesus the healer and I end up getting healed in my body.  Then it made me think well, wait a minute, maybe some of this other stuff I’ve been taught is not true as well.  Maybe God’s redeemed me in more than just one area spiritually, maybe He’s redeemed me physically and financially and mentally and in every way He’s redeemed me so.

Sid: Well, in 1976 your just a twenty-two year old kid and tell me the worst situation physically you were in because of these hundred twenty allergies.

Larry: Yeah, just being laid up in bed for a couple days at a time, not hardly being able to breathe because you’re so congested and so filled with junk and not being able to hardly see because your eyes just watering so much.  It was just…

Sid: Okay, you find out that God hasn’t changed and God’s word is true and Jesus is the healer.  You find this out; once you found that out what was the process of the manifestation?

Larry: Well, I remember going to church and hearing the pastor preach Matthew 8:17 “That it might be fulfilled that which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet saying “Himself took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses,” and I remember him expounding on that.  Jesus bore your sicknesses as your substitute, he didn’t bare them with you, He bore them for you so you didn’t have to.  And I remember hearing that and thought, “Man that’s good news, you know it was hard to believe for me because I had never heard it.  But I remember after several months of hearing verses like that and just scriptures that “He is the God that heals us,” He is not the God that makes us sick; He is the God that heals us.  And so I remember going home from church one afternoon, walking into my living room of my house; I was working for Delta Airlines during those years and lived out in Zephyrhills Florida.  I had a little ranch out there raising horses and I remember making the decision when I walked in my home, I thought “You know what, I know that I’m going back to church tonight and I know my pastor lays hand on people and people are getting healed, but I don’t want to wait; I want to get healed right now!”  I remember walking into my living room and lifting up my hands to Heaven and I just started talking to the Lord just like you talk to a person.  You know one thing I did learn about this church that believed in healing and miracles, they also believed that you didn’t have to sound religious when you talk to God.  You know you didn’t have to use the Thees and the Thous; and get real spiritual so to speak, just talk to Him normal, He created you, he know what you sound like right?  And so I walked on and just lifted up voice and I said, “God, I found out that you put my sickness and disease on Jesus and that you laid all my sickness on him at the cross at Calvary and that I don’t have to have it.  So Jesus I received you as my savior when I was thirteen years old, I’m twenty-two right now and I’m receiving you as my healer right now.” Now of course you and I know Sid, that he’s not two different Jesus’ but I just I just found out that there is another work of his grace; that He provided healing just as much as He provided being saved from sin.  And because I was saved from sin I could be healed in my body that all that grace and salvation had come was a total and complete package.  So right there in my living room I just received by faith, because that’s how we receive the grace of God, by faith the Bible says.  So I received, I just lifted up and I believed that Jesus healed me nearly 2,000 years ago and I believe I’m healed right now.  Now Sid, I did not feel any different, but I knew that something changed.  It wasn’t just the looking for a feeling, kind a like when I was thirteen and received Jesus as Savior my particular experience wasn’t like some people that gets goose pimples and bumps and they just fell all this weight lift off of them.  I never felt any supernatural feeling from the outside when I received Jesus and yet on the inside I knew that I knew that I knew that I was a child of God now.

Sid: You know something Larry, there’s something that’s coming to me, because I understand what you’re saying and many times I pray for the sick and I can feel the healing anointing flow right out of me like a river.  And not them, I know that their healed, I know that they are; but sometimes they are and sometimes they’re not.  I mean the most frustrating thing is when I can sense the healing anointing going into someone and the manifestation doesn’t occur.  But I believe you have a key and it is as far as I’m concerned, the most major key I’ve ever seen.  It was in 1977 God started speaking to you about these keys; tell me about that.

Larry: Yeah, I was healed in my body ’76 I was just really seeking the Lord, turned on to him.  My pastor started working with me; he sensed that I had a call of God on my life to teach the word.  And so here I am just seeking the Lord and all of a sudden one day in my bedroom the Lord talked to me.  I felt like He came into my bedroom, I did not see Him, but I felt His presence so strong and just like, I don’t think I could have gotten up if I tried, I didn’t try, but I feel like…

Sid: You know, as your sharing it right now, I feel an increase of His presence; I can sense it, but go ahead.

Larry: Yes and when He came in the room He started talking to me, He said, “Larry I am going to show you in my word what to do and if you do what I tell you, you will never have another down day the rest of your life.”

Sid: What!  Please repeat that because some people’s brain went on tilt when you said that.”

Larry: Ha-ha yeah.

Sid: Say that again what He told you.

Larry: He said, “Larry I’m going to teach you in my word what to do and if you do what I tell you, you will not have another down day the rest of your life.”  Now He explained to me, went on to explain what He meant when He said, just down days.  He was talking about all the negative emotions, He said, “Bad temper and anger that controls people, that emotion, and depression that controls people and stress, and worry and discouragement.”  He started naming all these different negative emotions that control peoples’ lives; and He said, “You are going to have plenty of opportunity from now until you die to have all kinds of those emotions control you, but I’m going to show you how to live free from them.”

Sid: Now when people get a hold of this teaching, what are some of the reports that you get just briefly of their lives being changed?

Larry: Well, I could give you a lot; this one lady came to one of my meeting and got a hold of my book that teaches what the Lord showed me.  And she read the book and it’s basically teaching you emotional stability in an unstable world.  You know the world’s very unstable, would bring all kinds of stress and worry and depression, discouragements.  And she read the book and what I didn’t know until she came up and gave us her testimony is that she had been bipolar for over forty years.  She had been on medicine, the doctors told her her hormones were way off and her chemicals, imbalance in the body and so you’ll just have to be on medicine all your life.

Sid: Bottom line what happened?

Larry: She was completely healed and delivered and she’s been off all her medication for years now.

Sid: You know what is so amazing to me is just people with just things like high blood pressure that once, could you picture living 24-7 the rest of your life not worrying, not having fear, not having anger, bad uncontrolled anger, or strife with people or stress?  Wow!