Sid: My guest by way of telephone at her center in Augusta, Georgia, that’s the Whole Life Ministries Healing Center is Sandra Kennedy. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that she was the first woman in the nation to be ordained Southern Baptist Church. But she almost got kicked out because she’d had a call since 6 years of age by God to pray for the sick. And in the dormitories every one of them that was getting sick she was praying for and they were getting healed but that was against their theology. She did graduate but they did force her out of the dorms by the way. And she bumped into a guy by the name of Harold Bradeson and he prayed for a bunch of people to get baptized in the Holy Spirit she was disappointed she wasn’t. She walked up to him and said “How come?” He said “You have a spirit of rejection.” She remembered her parents had been divorced at a young age in the name of Jesus he broke that she still didn’t pray in tongues. And one day she’s driving her car and all of a sudden what happened Sandra?
Sandra: All of a sudden I was caught up in the Spirit and in the throne-room of God and I get in what some people would call an open vision. Now I was caught up and I saw whom I knew to be God the Father but I never saw His face. I saw from like the bosom down and I saw over in the corner a small child 4, 5, 6 year old and I recognized it to be myself. And I’m watching this and He reached over and clapped his hands like a daddy would clap his hand for a child to come jump in His arms. And that young child who was me went and jumped in the arms of my Father my heavenly Father. And when that happened it was no longer that child it then became me and I began to speak in tongues. And I mean I spoke I believe I spoke in every tongue known to man. I’ll never forget it I mean I just talked and talked and talked in my language kept changing and I talked and talked. And then the next thing I know I’m sitting in front at my house in my car in front of the garage door which happened to be 22 miles away from the incident.
Sid: Now do you believe the Bible talks about being translated in the Spirit? Philip was translated in the Spirit do you think that was what happened to you?
Sandra: Either that or either again what people call like an open vision where you go of course that was exactly what I thought when I had the same similar experience when I started the church here Whole Life Ministry the same identical type thing happened to me. As a result of that I had was driving outside of Dallas, Texas and was caught up and was standing with the Lord again I don’t know who drove the car I was coming down I-20 the car was no longer there and I was standing with Jesus looking at the front of a building that said “Whole Life Ministry” with Jesus looking at it.
Sid: Now of course that building it did not it did not exist at that time.
Sandra: No it did not it did not exist and He took me by the hand walked me through it showed me the components of the ministry, told me what to do and what not to do. How to set up boards of the church and all different kind of things that I knew nothing in the world about and I was at that point wasn’t even Spirit filled when this happened.
Sid: Now you know the Bible says “Jesus only did what He saw His heavenly Father doing.” I imagine that’s the way Jesus did everything He was instructed and just acted out what He was instructed that’s the way it should be. That is so wonderful…so you saw this whole thing. Just of curiosity from the time you had that vision of having this whole center and how to set it up and being told how to do it did you have a fight to get to happen?
Sandra: (Laughing) It took me 10 years to act on it as a matter of fact I had that vision 3 times. Because of my background, because of me being Southern Baptist, because I’m here in southern Georgia Southern Baptist was birthed here in Augusta, Georgia. I had never met another woman minister, I did not know of a woman minister. And the 3 different times of degrees that I have from Southwestern Seminary I had never heard about Aimee Semple McPherson, I had never heard you know I had seen maybe something on TV about Kathryn Kuhlman but I’d never known of any woman minister it’s pathetic but I hadn’t I never knew. So in my mind I could not do this thing and it was one of the greatest battles and there were people I knew who to ask were my friends who were Southern Baptist and the pastors who I knew who were Southern Baptist of course they all told me I couldn’t.
Sid: So you had a bunch of Job’s friends.
Sandra: Yes I did (Laughing.)
Sid: And so it really toke you 10 years.
Sandra: Ten years.
Sid: You think you could have started it the next year if you had moved?
Sandra: I believe if I did not have so much religion in me. I believe if I did not have so much so much of man’s interpretation of God’s word in me. If I had just had the faith to just move on it without asking everybody and asking everybody’s opinion but just doing what God had said and realizing the God’s not a man that He should lie and just walk on what He had done in my life I believe in all honesty I could have started it so many years earlier.
Sid: Now at that time did the Lord…He showed you the future as to what it would be but what did He tell you did He tell you what ultimately what your ministry would be?
Sandra: He just simply when He pointed out again He name it “Whole Life…W-h-o-l-e Life Ministry and said basically that the church could teach the fullness of God. We should minister to the whole man spirit soul and body.
Sid: Now why did you have such extraordinary miracles happen and such high percentage of people being healed at your place?
Sandra: Well I think there it’s pretty clear because it’s so scriptural if we teach the word of God we do not try to give you our opinion. All we do is take you and walk you through the Bible and let you decide for yourself what the Bible has to say about healing. And so all we really do is I take this wonderful book and I do my very best to make you fall in so love with Jesus that He is so big in your life that you see that He so loves you and the goodness of God that it becomes almost a normal response to say “Well my goodness I see where He wants me well, I see the provision that He’s made for me.” Sid I’m convinced that this ignorance of the word of God and religious teaching that make us miss the simple things of the gospel.
Sid: And now I’ve been looking over some of the things that have happened there such as 6 brain dead individuals that have come back to life that were healed. That’s brain dead 6, 7 women with total hysterectomies have gotten pregnant. Tell me about this woman whose eye was disconnected and the eye was dead tell me about that.
Sandra: This was a woman that had the eye died well she had an eye transplant and then the transplanted eye died and became disconnected from the socket. This woman when we prayed for her and told her about the word of God I did not know what was totally wrong with her eye. I assumed that she had glaucoma or that she had cataract something I did not know all of the information that we now know. We just prayed and believed God and taught the word of God about healing. And the woman then began to shout and scream and carry on and then call forth colors there were banners around and she began to say blue, green, gold, yellow and began to red.
Sid: Now let me say the transplanted eye was disconnected and you didn’t connect it back all you did was just pray.
Sandra: All I did was pray and out of the dead disconnected transplanted eye she began to see.
Sid: Is anything impossible for God?
Sandra: Not a thing!
Sid: I mean you really believe that.
Sandra: I believe that with all of my heart.
Sid: So how come I know people you you know people everyone listening to us knows people that were strong in faith, believed God’s word, had good teaching and did die?
Sandra: Well you know I don’t know that I know all of the answers there’s some things that I can’t give an answer to but I do know this; I know that you can have faith and have tremendous faith in your life and not understand faith for healing and I think that’s very important. I have people say to me go visit so and so in the hospital and say to me up front these are wonderful Christians and they really have a lot of faith, they really believe God and they know that God is the healer and understand what I said “They know that God is a healer and they know that God is a healer would you go to them and talk to them and pray for them?” And many times I go and what I find out is yes they do know, yes they are wonderful people, yes they do love God, yes they are born again and yes they do know that God can do it. But they don’t have the assurance in their heart that God has already done it that’s a major difference.
Sid: I’ve been listening to your 2 audio cassette series titled “Genuine or Fake (F-A-K-E) Faith” and you nailed things to such a degree. I understand that that’s required listening for your healing teams and then you wrote a booklet called “Preparation for a Move of God.” Do you really believe that there will be a move of God?
Sandra: Oh I believe it I believe we’re already in it. I believe we’re in it you know the Bible talks always about remnants that God talks about remnant. And God deals with a remnant and I believe that there’s a remnant throughout this nations who’s hungry for God. I mean they all ready to lay down all religious teachings…
Sid: But I don’t see how most people can be satisfied where they’re at; if someone tells me they’re satisfied I’ll tell you there’s something wrong with them.
Sandra: I agree 100% I mean there’s such a hunger to see and to know God better and to understand Him and I believe with all of my heart that the church should be the powerhouse of God. I believe the church should be the stronghold of community; I think the church should be the authority center of the community. That we should be the place that understands what living a godly life is about. We should be the place when people are in need…I’m not talking about financial time to get all of your bills paid on but I’m talking about wanting to be fulfilled wanting to find your destiny, wanting to find your purpose knowing the blessings of God, the goodness of God. The church is the place to come we should be the powerhouse of God. There’s not anything too big for God and the church should be holding up that banner. We should be holding elbows with the community.
Sid: Sandra I’m sorry we’re out of time.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to care for orphans, widows, poor and oppressed. We want everyone to care for these helpless people like God cares for these people like God cares for these people. I was telling on yesterdays broadcast we’re making available this week a booklet perhaps the most important book that Derrick Prince has ever written it’s called “Who Cares for Orphans and Widows and the Poor and the Oppressed? God Does.” Do We? And he brings out truths that I just never seen before that Old Covenant Prophets the New Covenant Prophets with a heart of God. I believe that there are many listening that are calling out to God saying “God give me a ministry.” I believe that as you read this book God’s going to give you a ministry we’re such a blessed country. And if there’s ever been a time to meet this mandate it’s now. …I’m speaking to a couple that took this message seriously Joan and Bob Nast. And they had a vision from God they had such a supernatural burden for children that were either seriously ill or dying. And God directed them they bought a farm and they’ve had 1000’s of children AIDS victims, seriously ill children and they give them joy. I mean more important than joy I mean these children see angels. Many are healed, many experience the presence of God coming from every background imaginable. So one day Joan you are traveling with Benny Hinn’s Ministry because you love to see miracles you love to see people saved. But one meeting in 1995 there were a lot of witches present and they were praying against the meeting. And I imagine you didn’t think much of it but what happened 5 days later?
Joan: Well I got deathly sick leaving the crusade so sick that I could smell the dampness almost the death smell in the taxi cab. I was literally starting to throw up, Bobby had to carry me up to the hotel; I stayed up all night on the bathroom floor deathly deathly ill.
Bobby: It just came on her instantly.
Joan: And he knew that this was spiritual even though we weren’t that knowledgeable about it. I stayed sick for 3 days very very sick. By the time we got back to Florida all of a sudden coming out of the shower we noticed this huge lump on my breast within 5 days of the crusade. We immediately called the surgeon, no my gynecologist and at first he didn’t think it was cancer I went for a mammogram and when I came out from the mammogram the technician said to me “Oh my god you have cancer and you better get to a surgeon immediately but look at this it’s an actually shape of a witch on your mammogram,” and there surely was. Long story short fear panic came over us in the beginning and we went to Benny Hinn’s Church and…
Sid: Did it really look like a witch?
Sid: I mean I’m still thinking about that.
Joan: Yes in fact there’s a magazine we’ve been on television with it but there’s a magazine one of Benny Hinn’s he put a picture of my mammogram in there and it went out to 250,000 people. And no one ever even questioned that this is a definite shape of a witch exactly where the cancer was.
Sid: Hm. So what happened next?
Joan: Well I believe that the miracles started by the word of God getting down in my spirit. We went up to a service up in Orlando at Benny’s church and Lester Sumrall was there. And actually I think it was one of his last meetings.
Bob: It was it was his last.
Joan: It was the very last time he spoke because he died shortly after that. Benny said “For all of you people who will listen to the Holy Spirit at this moment I’m not taking up an offering for our church I’m taking up an offering to feed the hungry. Now you know that Lester Sumrall feeds the hungry around the world and so whoever will listen to the Holy Spirit come up and give to that ministry not ours.” We immediately got to our feet and ran forward and God spoke to the both of us that we must plant a $1000. Well we sat down.
Sid: At that point how difficult was $1000 to plant?
Joan: It was difficult, it was difficult.
Bob: It was very difficult at that time.
Joan: It was very difficult at that time.
Bob: You just know that you know that you know that you just had to do it just God gave us a $1000 right now right in our head. And I looked at her and she looked at me and we just knew.
Sid: You both heard a 1000.
Bob: We both heard it yeah.
Sid: Okay I’m glad because that first vision that Joan had she just saw it not in the vision.
Joan: But Bob tell him real quickly what God told you 2 weeks after we wrote the contract on the ranch.
Bob: Well 2 weeks after we wrote the contract on the ranch I was still not sure if she really heard from God. And I said “Joan you know we’re putting our house; we’re going to be putting our house up for sale I said “We were going to stay here until Jesus comes back this is the house desire of our heart we have been looking at this house for 10 years that we were going to live in this area.” And I said “Are you sure?” She just said “Bobby I know that I know that I know.” So one day I was in prayer in the morning and I’m saying and I was travailing that’s what I was doing I said “Lord am I doing the right thing here and I making the right decision how come You haven’t spoken to me You always speak to both of us how come you didn’t speak to me yet?” And I heard Him say loud and clear He just said “You just follow the leading of your wife she’s doing everything that I’m telling her to do.”
Sid: Was it almost like an audible voice?
Bob: Yes, yes it seared so far into my heart that I burst out in tears.
Sid: For those that are just tuning in for the first time Bob and Joan had a half a million dollar home. The home of their dreams and they have no extra money and Joan has a vision to set up a farm for seriously ill children and give them a little joy in this life. And so she goes to buy the farm and she didn’t have money for down payment and she takes her jewelry off and there’s another man that’s giving a nice check for down payment and the owner says “I’ll take her jewelry I want to do something for God.” And what God is saying he didn’t get conformation he went along with her and then God gave that confirmation. Let’s go back right now you’ve got cancer and you’re giving $1000 to feed the hungry and what happens next?
Joan: Well after we gave $1000 Benny said “For all of you people that just gave to feed the hungry…
Bob: In fact what impressed me was he stopped other people from coming up because he says “Stop.” He said “A lot of you people are just doing it out of emotion now he said the first people that came up here were the ones that heard from the Holy Spirit and he said “Everybody else sit down.” I was very surprised at that.
Sid: In other words he’s turning down money.
Bob & Joan: Yes he said “That’s it he says only the people that heard from God are supposed to get up here, when everybody jumped up at once that was the move of the Holy Spirit. He said “Now you’re just doing it just to be there” and he stopped it. And I was really taken back by that.
Joan: So he said “All of you just gave you will be able you don’t know what’s coming around the corner you don’t know if attacks are coming against you but what it does and when it does you will be able to stand on Psalms 41. Psalms 41 says “For those who feed the hungry or take care of the poor God will sustain them in their time of sickness, He will turn their bed of languishing around and they shall live and they shall not die.” He said “People I know that maybe this means nothing to you at this moment” which it meant nothing to us at that moment but it was that week I found out I had cancer. And the fear that came over us was tremendous we went home we’re sitting there I would cry he would cry back and forth back and forth. After going through this terrible battle with fear for 2 days before I went in for the surgery all of a sudden Bob grabbed a hold of me one night and he grabbed the Bible and opened up to Psalms 41 pull he off the couch started shaking me “Joanie you’re not going to die you can’t die, he said “We feed the hungry and take care of the poor.” He says “Psalms 41 says that “You shall live and not die and all nations shall call us blessed.” He said “Do you understand that, get it down in your spirit you’re not going to die.” And at that moment it went down in my spirit and that night fear actually left and I felt it come from my stomach and a black cloud came right out of my mouth at the service that night.
Sid: Wait, wait wait. You imagined this you saw this?
Joan: No I saw it, I saw it I started praising God that night at the service because of fear I felt it going. And I said “Oh God forgive me for doubting forgive me I know that I’m going to live now I know that I’m not going to die.” And all of a sudden as I started praising God from the pit of my stomach I felt something moving up through my chest. And out of my mouth I actually saw a little black cloud go “Puff” and it was a spirit of fear left me and it’s never returned.
Sid: And you know the people that really keep in the spirit tell me that people die from this fear more than sicknesses.
Joan: I asked the cancer specialist that when after she operated on me she said to me “You don’t have any fear do you?” I said “No I’m a child of God I’m not going anywhere.” And she said “That’s amazing.” I said “Well spirits of fear you know.” And my doctor was Jewish and I said to her “Well God loves me and has a plan for me” and I said let me ask you something when you see people fearful do they die quicker than others?” She said “Most definitely she said they’re consumed with the fear.” And I actually asked her if she knew what the spirit of fear was and she said no. And but the prognosis with me got worse after that week because after they operated and took out the lump…
Bob: Joan I hate to interrupt you but just tell them what you did to the doctor before you went into the operating room this is really neat Sid.
Joan: Well my doctor was Jewish and she was a fabulous surgeon and I trusted her with all of my heart. And I was going into the operating room and it was 6:00 in the morning and the Lord spoke to me to open the Bible to Isaiah 53 and write down all of the verses down. So when we were going into the operating room she said “Well kiddo are you ready?” And I said “Well not exactly.” She said “What do you mean?” I said “Well on the way down I have a piece of paper Isaiah 53 you are not going to operate on me until you read it I’ll know so you better not.” She said “I promise I will, yes I will.” So I went on to the operation you know praise God greater is He that’s in me and every word of God that I ever put in was coming out. So…
Sid: So were out of time…
Sid: My guest by way of telephone Bob & Joan Nast I’m speaking to them at their office in Coconut Creek, Florida. And the last couple of days we found out that their life was headed for a real disaster. Bob was involved with a syndicate that was counterfeiting 6 million dollars. They got caught he could have been sentenced up to 60 years in prison instead a miracle happened. And he got just 6 months and while this was going on all hell breaks loose for Joan and he’s involved with a crime syndicate and she’s involved with drugs. And her close relatives as dying, her husband’s in prison, and her daughter comes in 14 years old and says Mom if you don’t go to church with me and there isn’t a change in your life I am leaving this house at 14 years old and get this “And I’m never returning.” Well Joan didn’t want to go to church she had a Catholic upbringing she figured that there weren’t any answers for her there. But she didn’t want to lose her daughter so she went and she had an experience with God in which Jesus put His arms around her and embraced her. And to make a long story short at the identical time as this was going on Bob in prison at the exact time gets on his knees and starts repenting before for messing up his life the exact same time. So he gets out of prison everything is going along fine she’s a successful Real Estate woman, he’s a developer they’ve got a half million home on intercostals waterway Ft. Lauderdale they’ve got a nice boat everything is going good. And then they meet a young boy 10 years old dying of Leukemia his name is Brandon. And they see how difficult it is for the parents and they want to give the parents a little relief and so they let the parents go and they’re going to stay with Brandon and a whole door opens for them. One day Joan is looking in the classified sees some property for sale and literary the property looked awful when they went there. But she had a vision from God and she saw what it could be. And so she walked up to the owner and what happened next Joan.
Joan: And as I approached the owner a man with the Porsche was there handing the owner what I found out would be $25,000 cash he wanted to buy the property that day right then and there.
Sid: But you’re supposed to buy it.
Joan: By then I knew that however I didn’t even ask my husband I didn’t discuss it with him. And the reason were married and have a good marriage is we pray together and talk together but not this day this was totally different. I walked up between the 2 men and I said “Excuse me I come here in the name of the Lord and we are going to buy this property today we do not have any money but I’m going to give you my jewelry and I have a lot of jewelry.” And I started taking off my jewelry and I started taking off my necklace, bracelet, rings…
Sid: Now you didn’t have any money because the stock market had taken a big turn down.
Sid: And so you were current but you just didn’t have large sums of money to buy this property go ahead.
Joan: No cash.
Sid: I mean that’s chutzpa lady you took your jewelry off and handed it to a man while he’s being handed a check from someone else to buy the property.
Joan: $2000 cash.
Sid: You’re in real estate that’s not going to work.
Joan: No of course not if it wasn’t God I mean this is ridiculous but it was God’s plan. My husband had no idea what I was doing and he’s going “Honey, Honey.” I’m not even listening to him. The man with the Porsche that’s handing him cash he’s going “Who do you think you are I am buying this property?” And I said “No you’re not we are it’s going to be for terminal or seriously ill children and it’s going to called God’s Little Acres and miracles are going to happen here and so you might as well leave.” And now I had put all of my jewelry into the owners hand and he’s standing with his hands cupped he had all of my jewelry and the guy doesn’t know what he’s doing and the owner turns around to the other man and says “You might as well leave and come back tomorrow because she was here first.” I was the 43rd person in less than a week that came to buy this property because it’s very valuable property for developers everyone of them were cash buyers of $400,000. I came and said we had no money we come in the name of the Lord. So he told the man to leave and he left, the man is holding my jewelry my husband really wanted to kick me. And I just kept moving away from him and he’s going Joan what are you doing what are you doing? And I said “I don’t know but we’re buying this property. He said “Joan what are you crazy?” We don’t have any money we got a $500,000 house over there and we’re making those payments but we don’t have any money to buy anything else. I said “Bobby God is telling me this property is His property and it’s going to be called ‘God’s Little Acres’ and miracles are going to happen here.” And he said “Joan what are you doing?” Now the owner he thinks we’re nuts but yet he went along with us. Later much later he told us we asked him “Why did you sell us this property when you had 42 cash buyers and us saying we have no money?” And he says you know it’s really amazing he said as you were saying that I was thinking I’m 75 years old, I’ve been a rich man all of my life, I have never done a thing to help anybody’s children.” He said when you said that this was going to be for sick kids I thought “My God I can maybe be a part of what they’re doing.”All the rich developers just want to tear the run down ranch down and build big beautiful homes. He said “But you wanted to keep the ranch and do something for kids and I thought I could be a part of it.”
Sid: You call this “God’s Little Acres” it’s for seriously ill children. Where did you get the title or the name?
Joan: God gave me it in one second coming up the driveway there was no plan, none this was not discussed and prayed about.
Sid: How were you handling all of this at that time?
Bob: I was in shock (Laughing.)
Bob: Not knowing what’s she’s doing because usually my wife and I always pray about everything. We’ll put it on the table and we’ll pray about it and we’ll come up with some ideas decisions should we do it shouldn’t we do it but this time it was totally totally not Joan. And you know now that I look back I can look at her I can still have a dream of like a vision of her and she was like in a trance because it was not Joan that was talking. And I kept looking at her and saying “What are you doing we didn’t even talk about this. I didn’t know you were going to do this.” You know I was in total shock. Now what really happened the owner said to us “Would you like to come inside?” And my wife said no we’re going to buy the house anyway you know the property anyway. So he said “Why don’t you come on inside and look around.
Sid: Joan you’re a real estate woman how come you’re acting so ridiculous?
Joan: Trust me and I used to be considered a pretty smart real estate women but this day I didn’t fit into the world system whatsoever not at all.
Sid: Okay times gone by 1000’s of children have come to God’s little Acres but tell me about that one little girl who had Down’s Syndrome and a heart condition and a heart condition and a pace maker. What did she yell to her momma?
Bob: Little Kathy.
Bob: Little Kathy…we just got finished with a function here and Little Kathy is such a sweet heart she just steals your heart from you she’s wonderful. She’s got a pacemaker, and she falls on the ground and she dies and her mother has to resuscitator. She has to walk around her with oxygen and so on. And so everybody else is leaving and she’s about the last family to leave and I went over to the mother and I said “Doe” that was her mother’s name Doe. I said “Doe would you mind if I prayed over Kathy and she said “No nobody’s every offered to do that.” And so I just took Kathy in my arms and I just prayed and I said “Father she was yours daughter before she was Doe’s touch her little heart and give her a new heart.” Because they had just put a pacemaker in, I said “Fix her blood disease Father, Lord You created this body you can fix it.” And it was a short prayer like that but you know I just meant it like I just knew that I just had to lay my hands on that little girl. And the mother she welled up with tears and said “Thank you very much.” And we love you guys and we’ll see you again next week. So she’s walking down the driveway and that was the end of it. And I come up and I told Joan I prayed for Kathy and she said “Really” and I told her what happened. And she said “Wow.” Well the phone rang about an hour later and Joan you can tell it because you answered the phone.
Joan: Well Doe was on the other line and she said “Joan the most incredible thing happened after Bob prayed for Kathy and he walked back up the driveway we went down and got right underneath the archway of “God’s little Acres” and Little Kathy looked up and said “Momma momma look at all of the pretty angels.” And Kathy said…Doe the mother said to me “Joan I have never explained to my daughter what an angel looks like and every time she comes here she sees the angel.”
Sid: Not only do people see the angels they what do they tell you they feel when they come on this property?
Joan: Every single person, every single person I don’t care what religion what faith they have or they have no faith or they are an atheist of they’re an agnostic it doesn’t matter when they come on this property they either burst out in tears or they say what are they feeling here?
Bob: How about the Muslim doctors that we had from the hospital that came up when we first opened up. They come on this property there was 3 of them and they say “What do we feel here?” And we said “It’s the power of God that you feel.” And they did not want to leave this property. They were here until 6:00 at night they said they’ve never felt such peace.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Joan and Bob Nast and I’m speaking to them at their home and office at Coconut Creek Florida. And we found that in 1980 Bob was convicted of counterfeiting; they were counterfeiting his group for over 6 million dollars. He could have gotten up to 60 years in prison. He just happens to see on television Hal Lindsey just happened to come on the air and talking about his book “The Late Great Planet Earth” and how to be saved. And the whole family said a prayer with Hal. Now they didn’t really understand what they were doing but then they go to the hearing to find out how many years he’s going to get. And the judge that he’s affectionately called (the federal judge) the hanging judge. All of a sudden he looks at Bob and says “I’m giving you 6 months.” Well that was a miracle an absolute miracle. So he goes off to prison for 6 months. His wife the mean time everyone around her is dying, her husband is in prison and she just to get away from it all gets into drugs, they have contacts with crime syndicate with the counterfeiting. I mean her life is a mess her 14 year old daughter comes in and says “Mom I’m running away from home and you’ll never see me again if you do not go to church.” Well Joan says to her daughter “Look I’ll do anything I’ll go to AA I’ll go anywhere. I just have a Catholic background that’s not for me.” Well she went into that church what happened Joan?
Joan: Well the music was playing and every hair on the back of my neck started standing up. I had never experienced even that feeling. People were touching me and saying hello and everybody was so friendly. And all I can do is remember that as I looked into everybody eyes I saw a peace that I’ve never seen. And I almost hated these people so what are they so happy about life stinks life is miserable but they’re happy. So I said to the people that I’m with “I’m not singing, I’m not praying, I’m not doing anything that these people are doing.” And they said “Don’t just listen.” But when I heard the pastor start speaking he started speaking about Jesus like he just had a cup of coffee with Him. He said speaking about Jesus like He was just there over the church. And I’m going who is this guy that he met Jesus already? And I was kind of a wise guy and I just couldn’t comprehend his relationship with Jesus the way that he spoke about Him. So all through the service my hands started raising up and going down, raising up and raising up and I was fighting against it. Finally at the end he said “Is there anybody here that needs Jesus.” And I thought “Huh I’ve tried drugs everything money can buy why not give it a shot that was my attitude.” So I raised my hand and of course I was the only one there was a couple of hundred people there at that time. And I went forward and he said “Do you know that God loves you?” And I had never heard those words said directly to me and I thought “He does.” I just did not feel loved by anybody so He says “Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that He was born of a Virgin Mary, that He suffered and died and was buried and that there is a Father, Son and a Holy Spirit.” I said “Of course I do I’m Catholic.” He said “You believe that He rose from the dead.” I said “Sure I don’t have a problem with any of that.” He said “Do you know that you can make it to heaven for eternity if you just ask God to forgive you of your sins?” And I said “Get out, get out!” And those were my words and he said “No true story.” And I said “What do I have to do?” He said “Just tell Him your sorry, just tell Him your sorry for your sins and you can have eternal life in heaven with the Father.” Well this sounded like magic, this sounded like news to my ears, this sounded like nothing I had ever heard and I started getting excited. I said “If I just pray that’s it.” He said “Say it and mean it from your heart and say it to God don’t say it to me.” I said “Okay,” and so he prayed with me and I said it to God.” And all of a sudden I felt arms around me, feeling the arms I did not know that it was the arms of Jesus I was feeling. And He delivered me from the spirit of fear instantly I was instantly delivered from cocaine and drugs and marijuana and every foul drug that I had been using. It left me in one instant and the desire in 21 years have never come back.
Sid: Now at the same time that this is going on that same moment Bob what was going on with you in prison?
Bob: Well I finally got situated in prison and you know all of the reality finally hit me and I was in my little bunk there and it was just night and it was about a quarter after nine. I just fell to my knees and I just felt so confused I just felt like I had just wrecked my life which I did do. And I fell on my knees and I said “God” I said… I used to go to Catholic School and I knew that there was a God and I believed in God only I never had a personal relationship with Him. And I fell on my knees I said “God and I started crying I said “You probably heard this a million times before from a jail house cell but I’m going to make a promise to you if you’ll protect my wife from committing suicide or getting hurt (because I thought this was going to happen.) I said “You just protect her if you just spare my children the embarrassment that I caused them for what I did Father.” I said “I would never do another wrong thing in my life again I will serve you for the rest of my life.” Well at that time I just started crying and I just lost it all and I remember I was just looking down and I remember it was a quarter after nine and God is so good because He had my wife in that church at a quarter after nine accepting Jesus as her personal Savior and He just turned our life around.
Sid: Speaking of a life turned around you’re a successful developer, your wife is successful in Real Estate you had a half million dollar home on intercostals waterway near Fort Lauderdale. You had a 31’ boat that slept 6 a lifestyle most folks would call successful, but all of this changed when a young boy 10 years old by the name of Brandon Smith came into your life. Tell me what happened?
Joan: Well we had been visiting hospitals in the area for many many years helping children praying with them making them laugh. And the more we spent time with them down at Joe DiMaggio Hospital in Hollywood, Florida we met this little boy Brandon who was dying of Leukemia. And the first thing that we experienced when we went into his room at night and saying hello to him was the mother and father and the depression upon them. And we said “Why don’t you two go for a cup of coffee and we’ll stay with Brandon.” And they would go for a walk and…
Sid: So Brandon was terminal leukemia?
Sid: Okay go ahead.
Joan: So our heart went out to the parents and one night the father grabbed my husband and he said “Bob what am I doing wrong, what have I done to cause this for my son to get this disease and is dying?” And Bob said “Walter, he said bad things happen to good people this is not your fault there’s a devil out there and cancers from the pit of hell it has nothing to do with what you’ve done wrong you can’t blame yourself.” And we tried to comfort them and pray with them and we spent about 6 months going back and forth to the hospital. And we realized that all of the other children in the other room there was so many single parents and we found out that 80% of the parents that get a child attacked with a disease especially terminal the money goes, the job goes the house goes and eventually the husband goes because he cannot take the pressure and he blames himself. So as we experienced this time after time again with these wonderful people and unfortunately little Bandon went home to be with the Lord which another time we’ll tell you about what happened to this child. But anyway we said “You know what maybe we will have a place where these families can get a total break from the hospital where they can come out and get away from chemotherapy and all of the environment and laugh for a day. And maybe we can have volunteers take the little children away from their parents all day long and the parent can go for a walk sit down and have coffee do whatever just to get a break for the day. And that’s when the idea I guess was birthed in our heart about having a ranch for seriously ill children.
Sid: You actually had an open vision about the ranch which is now called “God’s Little Acres” tell me about that.
Joan: Well one day we were looking through the Real Estate being a typical realtor and I saw almost 5½ acres in Coconut Creek with a barn a number of barns and a house for sale. And all of a sudden I said “Bob Hun we’ve got to go look at this ranch.” Well at that time we had just lost a tremendous amount of money in the stock market. Work was okay and our bills were being paid but we had absolutely no money in the bank, nothing. So he said “Why do you want to go look for that for we don’t have any money?” And I said “No, I don’t know why we have to go.” So being the wonderful husband of 39 years this week that he is he agreed to come look at it. We came out to Coconut Creek and as we entered the driveway coming up to the Ranch it was probably the ugliest place I’ve ever seen at first. There was…everything was broken and run down the house was yucky we say Pepto-Bismol pink there was no landscaping everything was over grown. There was old tractors laying around, there was potholes coming up the driveway. I mean the place was horrible, but yet as we started entering up the driveway all of a sudden it was God dropped a screen out of heaven and I heard first I heard little children laughing. And I heard music, and then I saw what was so ugly become beautiful with a long porch with rocking chairs on it and people were rocking babies. And as I looked to the left and right I saw little wagons being pulled by little horses and I saw hay wagons being driven around with little children laughing. And all of the sudden this name came to me. Now the driveway is not 100 miles long it’s only you know maybe a 100 – 300 feet I don’t know.
Joan: Is it? And then by the time we got up there my husband is saying to me Joan what are you doing what is happening? And I went “Shh shh” and I couldn’t tell him but God was there with me and the Spirit of the Lord was upon me. That said as before this had not happened but by the time this was up the driveway there was a man in a Porsche talking to an elderly man we found out that was the owner. And as we got out I didn’t say anything to my husband.
Sid: Ah oh Mishpochah we’re out of time.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Bill Morford. And we’re finding out such amazing revelations about the roots of the Bible that were literally hijacked, the Jewish roots and the idioms, and the culture, and the power. For instance, I mean, there’s so many things I want to ask you about. But the order of the books, in the original order of the Jewish Scriptures it ends in Chronicles, not Malachi. What difference does it make as you read it when you go from Chronicles to Matthew?
BILL: There’s a flow that does not exist in the normal Christian book order. But when you go from Chronicles with its genialities and move into Matthew, starting out with the geniality of Jesus, there’s just a flow. It actually surprised me. I wasn’t looking for that, but it’s there.
SID: Now tell me about an interesting woman in the New Testament by the name of Phoebe. What did you find out about her?
BILL: She was a patroness, sat over others. My verse says, “I am introducing our sister Phoebe to you, since she is also a minister of the congregation in sainthood, so that you would welcome and the Lord is befitting the saints, and you would stand by her in whatever matters she would have need of you. For she has also become a patroness of many, even of me.” So that the ones that say that she was a servant—
SID: It’s a bad translation.
SID: So are you telling me she was Paul’s pastor in that instance, in effect?
BILL: That’s what it sounds like to me, doesn’t it?
SID: Tell me about that there’s amazing word in the Hebrew, “anuchi.”
BILL: Oh, that’s awesome because it means “I Am.”
SID: I Am that I Am.
BILL: Right. But Rabbi Ben Yehuda calls it the “I am of purpose. It’s because I Am who I Am, I ordain this to be done.” And God always has that, when He uses that word it means that’s a verse we have to really pay attention to. So every time He uses that, I use “I Am” in caps and in bold type so that you know that’s the anuchi speaking.
SID: I like the way you refer to it. It’s I Am with an attitude. Give me a verse and say it with the attitude God meant it.
BILL: Okay. Isaiah 43:11 is “I Am, I AM your only savior.” And this is one of three verses that use the anuchi twice, a double anuchi. One anuchi is really a superlative. I mean, this is awesome. God has ordained this. He’s determined this is what’s to be done. But when He uses a double, how can we put in English how strong that would be.
SID: Now tell me something about the most gentile, Christian thing I can think of as a Jewish person that doesn’t know Jesus. Communion. It’s not very Jewish, is it?
BILL: [laugh] It’s entirely Jewish.
BILL: Well if you want to stay in the New Testament, you can. Luke 22 has Jesus at the Seder, and it records three instances, three blessings there. The first cup actually comes from Exodus 6:6, and it’s, “I will bring you out of Egypt.” And Jesus lifts that and says the blessing over the wine. Then he says the blessing over the bread. And with the bread that means you’re eating the meal, and with the meal they’re having a second cup of wine, and that cup, in Exodus 6:6, says, “I will rescue you from your bondage.” So that when we take the bread in our communion, we are actually celebrating his taking us out of our bondage. In other words, all deliverance has been done. It’s over.
SID: What’s that third cup?
BILL: And the third cup is amazing. Of course this is from Exodus 6:6, and it’s Jesus lifts that cup and he said, “This is the renewed covenant of my blood which is being shed for you.” And what Exodus 6:6 has for the third cup is it’s the cup of redemption. So this is the blood of our kinsman redeemer who has come.
SID: You can’t understand communion without understanding Passover, and it’s been hijacked from the church.
BILL: It has.
SID: It’s not so much that you’re being legalistic. It’s just that you’re understanding depth upon depth, upon depth. That’s with these biblical feasts God promises that He’ll show up. It’s an appointment with God. It’s so wonderful. Now I’ve always heard that Paul was a tentmaker. You say untrue. What was Paul?
BILL: He made prayer shawls.
SID: Prayer shawls?
BILL: Prayer shawls. Because there are other Greek words used for tentmakers, two of them. One for making the small pup tent that a traveler might carry, and one for the huge tents like the Bedouin live in.
SID: I’m so glad for so many revelations I’ve learned from Bill Morford. So I’m going to bless you with the revelation he shared with me about the Aaronic Benediction. The Lord WILL bless you. I tell you, the Lord WILL bless you. The Lord WILL keep you. The Lord will cause His countenance to come upon you and be gracious to you. The Lord will grant you his shalom, His completeness in your spirit, in your soul, and in your body in the name of Jesus the Messiah.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Bill Morford. Bill has spent the last 20 years studying Greek, studying Hebrew and translating the Old and the New Covenant, and he has uncovered things that will make literally your understanding of the scriptures go to a whole new level. He’s recaptured the Jewish roots. The idioms, the ancient Jewish idioms, an idiom, an example Bill used earlier was “it’s raining cats and dogs.” Well we know that today, but you didn’t know the idioms of 2000 years ago. Give me a couple idioms that you found and what they mean.
BILL: Okay. One is with the evil eye, and that’s in Matthew 5:29, “If your right eye causes you to sin you must tear it out at once and cast it from you.”
SID: And believe it or not, people have read that and tried to please God, and unfortunately, they took their eye out. And that’s not what God is say. What is God saying? What’s that saying mean?
BILL: It’s saying, stop doing it. And what the evil eye is, is being stingy or greedy, and that’s defined in Deuteronomy 15:9.
SID: What about where it talks about cut off your right hand in the New Testament?
BILL: It’s the same thing. Stop doing that. The right hand, of course, is the hand of power. It always speaks of power in scripture. So you have to be humble. You have to stop doing whatever it was that you were doing. If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you.
SID: But it doesn’t mean literally cut it off.
SID: It means to stop.
SID: Now your understanding of the messianic prophecy, for instance, in a approved Jewish Bible, Isaiah 7:14 says we’re going to have a sign. A young woman will conceive and have a child and this child’s name will be Emanuel. But in most Christian Bibles, it says, “A virgin will.” Who’s right?
BILL: Well technically, the Jewish Bible is because the word in Hebrew, “amma”, means a marriageable young woman. She is single. And what it is, the whole verse is therefore, the Lord Himself will give you a sign. “Behold the young woman will conceive and bear a son and she will call his name Emanuel.” Well the young woman, unmarried, had to be a virgin.
SID: There was a translation called the Septuagint. It was called that because 70 traditional rabbis did this translation. How many years before Jesus came was this?
BILL: Two hundred fifty years before Jesus was born.
SID: All right, 250 years before Jesus was born, these traditional rabbis, the best in the land, translated the Greek version of the Jewish scriptures, and they chose the one Greek word that means exclusively “virgin.” You can’t get much stronger than that.
BILL: You can’t beat that, no. I have three footnotes on that verse. And the first one is, “The sign from the Lord, this birth will be an extraordinary event bringing an extraordinary person known as ‘God with us’.”
SID: That’s what Emanuel means, God is with us. You know, I think we’ve kind of satisfied that particular situation. But you had a revelation, Bill, in the 53rd Chapter of Isaiah. It’s where it says “stripes.” We know what a stripe is. A stripe is where someone is beaten and where blood flood flows, and from this blood, we had such wonderful things happen: forgiveness of sin, healing of diseases. But you found the word “stripe” in the Hebrew means something else also.
BILL: Yes. “Chavuratu” in modern Hebrew means “fellowship with Him.” And that’s, of course, the only way. That’s God with us. It’s through fellowship with Him.
SID: The best way to get a healing is through having intimacy and relationship, and fellowship with God. It’s because of his blood that we are healed. But it is because of our fellowship that we have a clear passageway for the healing to manifest in our body. Bill, I asked you to pray last night and see if God wanted you to say something special. What did He tell you?
BILL: Oh, it’s on the fellowship.
BILL: It’s all about relationship. And those of you out there, I know this is more than one person, says, God is not with me. You have to accept God in faith. He said He is with you. His Word says He is with you. He is in you so that you, by focusing on Him will know that He is in you when that torment that you’re in now, you’re in pain, you have to know that the God who is in you feels that same pain, whether it’s physical pain or whether it’s emotional distress, depression, whatever, He is with you. He feels that. He will take it.
SID: I come from a traditional Jewish background. And when I became a believer in the Messiah, I saw the Book of James. James does not sound like a real Jewish name to me. What did you find out?
BILL: That that was changed.
SID: What was it originally?
SID: That’s Jewish.
SID: Why did they change Jacob to James? It doesn’t make sense?
BILL: Well both the Latin text and the Greek text have Jacob for the name of the book. The name James does not appear in them. The first appearance of the name James is the King James Bible.
SID: How about the word “law”? That’s so misunderstood and it’s all over the place in the New Testament. Was that translated properly?
SID: No? Why?
SID: [singing] Tradition. [speaking] I wish I had my violin. What should it have been translated?
SID: What does Torah mean?
BILL: Teaching or instruction.
SID: Sounds a lot different. If the Bible were, rather than said “law”, it would be “teaching.” The law you think, not under that law. Teaching? Yeah, I want that teaching. Don’t go away. Wait until you hear these other revelations that Bill had. We’ll be back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I mean, that’s normal. Let me tell you another thing that is normal. I had a One New Man Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, and Bill Morford came to that One New Man Conference. And tell us what happened. What happened to you, Bill?
BILL: Well that was awesome because one evening, whoever had the service, called out and said, “God is putting gold teeth in mouths right now.” And I didn’t think much about it. So I participated. I raised my hand because my dentist had told me just a few weeks earlier that there was a tooth that would need a gold crown. And when he finished he asked for, he said, “Be sure to have someone check your mouth.” And he repeated that. And so Luanne, my wife, came and said, “Let me look.” And she looked in and there was a gold tooth. So we had others.
SID: Did you ever go back to that dentist who said you needed a gold crown?
BILL: I didn’t have to. I went home.
SID: We had it on Internet and it was also on television when we had our One New Man Conference, and here’s the amazing thing. His dentist just happened to be watching. So what did she say when she saw the X-ray, she saw your gold tooth?
BILL: She said she had to look in my mouth to see just how it was, and she told me that no lab on earth could make a gold crown like that.
SID: You know, as amazing as that is, there’s something else that happened that was amazing to Bill. Bill went to Israel in 1984, which changed the whole paradigm. Everything of his understanding and his focus, and he went on a 20-year quest to recapture the Jewish roots of the entire Bible, to recapture what those idioms mean. What’s an idiom, by the way?
BILL: Well an idiom, we use in English a lot, is, it’s raining cats and dogs.
SID: But see, there were idioms at the time that the scriptures were written, and they all understood it, so it didn’t have to be explained in the scriptures. And he recaptured the power of the Bible. What do you mean by the power of the translation of the Bible?
BILL: Because both the Hebrew and the Greek are very expressive languages, and they have commands, they use different moods and they don’t get translated properly. I don’t know why the scholars…
SID: Give me an example of something would affirm was not translated properly and then it was, and what difference it made.
BILL: All right. I told you my favorite is the Aaronic Blessing, where we’re all told, “May the Lord bless you and keep you.”
SID: I pray that everyday over the radio.
BILL: “May the Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift His countenance to you and give you peace.” But let me tell you what the Hebrew really says. It’s the “Lord WILL bless you and He WILL keep you. The Lord will make His face to shine upon you and He will be gracious to you. The Lord WILL lift His countenance to you and He will establish you in shalom.”
SID: I love it. You see the difference? May the Lord bless you. The Lord WILL bless you. I say that to you right now. You think you’re just watching a television show. No, you’re not. The Spirit of God says to you, “The Lord WILL bless you.” Bill, what happened to you in ’84, in Israel?
BILL: Stepping off the plane, I just felt, I’m home. I didn’t know why. And I saw Hebrew street signs, different things in Hebrew and I just knew that I had to do digging. And of course, we went to all the Christian sites and it was just blessed all over. It just gave me a hunger to find what Israelites should all know about the power of God and about the ground where Jesus walked.
SID: He studied Greek under a great Greek scholar. But then God opened up a door where, was he a conservative rabbi?
BILL: He still is.
SID: A conservative, traditional rabbi taught him Hebrew. But he was not just an ordinary rabbi. Who was his grandfather?
BILL: Eliezer Ben Yehuda.
SID: And what did Eliezer Ben Yehuda do?
BILL: He wrote a 16-volume dictionary that really introduced Hebrew, reintroduced it as the spoken language of Israel.
SID: He literally fulfilled Bible prophecy because the Bible says that Jews would be scattered to the four corners of the earth, and in a moment, Israel would become a nation, and the Jews would be maintained as a distinct people and come back to their homeland. But when they came back to the homeland, each one spoke the language from the country they went to. So this rabbi was the grandfather, this rabbi was the one that God picked to reintroduce spoken Hebrew into Israel, and his grandson taught you. It’s so amazing what he taught you about Hebrew. But let’s whet their appetite in Greek, because you studied Greek. Twenty years he worked on studying the Hebrew, studying the Greek, understanding what the idioms really meant, understanding what the Jewish roots are, understanding the messianic prophecies. When the Bible says, in the New Testament, “sickness”, what does the Greek say?
BILL: Well there is a Greek word for “sickness”, but there’s also a Greek word that means “evil” that has traditionally been translated “sickness.”
SID: So I believe “sickness” is evil. Now that means that when you are sick, don’t pamper yourself. Get rid of the evil. Don’t go away. Wait until you hear some of the revelation from the ancient Greek and the ancient Hebrew that Bill has found out. It’s going to change a lot of your thinking. We’ll be right back.
SID: You know what I think is so amazing, you talk about Peter’s shadow. I believe that when you pray for people the shadow or the Glory of God falls on them. And the same thing that people were healed under Peter’s shadow, tell me about what you see in Peter’s shadow.
DAVID: Well what I saw when I was reading that scripture about Peter’s shadow is I noticed that the Bible doesn’t actually say that the people were healed because of Peter’s shadow. The Bible says that, “People brought their sick that his shadow might fall upon them.” In other words, the people had it in their minds that if his shadow can just touch them they could be healed. And I thought, what would give rise to such a belief, to such an odd belief that a shadow could heal someone. Well it wasn’t that Peter’s shadow was healing anyone. It’s that the healing presence of Jesus was so heavy upon his life that everywhere he walked miracles happened by him just being there. And I believe believers can step into that. That was one of the things I prayed for about the gift of healing was that gift. But then I realized that there’s the gift that God places on certain individuals, as we talk about in First Corinthians 12. But then, according to Mark 16, every believer is to flow in this operation and every believer is to walk in the healing presence of Jesus. And when the healing presence of Jesus comes on our life you’re going to see miracles and there’s not going to be really so much effort that you have to put into it. You just have to believe.
SID: I’m going to start right now. God has told me several times there are people with pain in your neck. If you move your head if you have pain, you’ll see that that pain is gone and backs are being healed right now. Anything wrong with your back, I would like you to pray as the Holy Spirit directs right now.
DAVID: So I want to pray if you’re believing for a miracle, I believe that the Holy Spirit could make the Jesus the healer more real than anything you’ve ever experienced, and that’s really the key. When the Holy Spirit takes a revelation from the Word and causes it to become something that becomes a reality for you, everything changes. He’s going to cause Jesus to become so real to you right now, right where you’re watching this, wherever you’re watching this, your whole atmosphere is about to shift. And when Jesus becomes more real than your sickness, you’re going to notice that your sickness goes. So let’s believe God for, first of all, the presence.
SID: Now that’s a very different way of praying, I want to tell you, but I love it. Go ahead.
DAVID: I’m going to pray right now that the healing presence of Jesus would fill that room where you are. So precious Lord, we know you are faithful to your Word and we know that it is by the Holy Spirit that you establish your dominion. So in the name, there is somebody watching me right now, there is a skin disorder that has just been healed. You noticed there’s been a skin disorder all up your left arm like a rash of some sort. If you’ll look now you’re going to notice that the rash or psoriasis is completely gone in Jesus’ name. Lord, we thank you for that. Jesus, we give you the Glory. Come on, let’s believe and pray right now in Jesus’ name. Father, I thank you for your Holy Spirit’s presence now flowing. Lord, I rebuke sickness right now in Jesus’ name. I rebuke heart disease in Jesus’ name. Lord, we come against arthritis in Jesus’ name. I rebuke cancer right now in the name of the Living God. In the name of Jesus we come against and we break the back of the enemy right now and we destroy the works of the devil. And Father, I pray that that atmosphere of faith would be electrified right where they are in Jesus’ name. Lord, let your presence become so intense, so real that they not only get a sense of you, but that it be done in their body. In the precious name of Jesus we pray. Amen.
SID: Amen. I pray that you cultivate friendship with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit’s purpose is to make Jesus so real, as David prayed that the reality of Jesus is stronger than any problem in your life. I pray in Jesus’ name you become a friend of the Holy Spirit.
SID: Now it’s wonderful that Shawn hears from God so clearly, but can every person hear from God?
SHAWN: What I love about my life is that my parents just raised me to believe and they just nurtured the atmosphere. I wasn’t born under a sign. I wasn’t born like special. Some of the people you hear who have prophetic callings, like the whole world was against them, the universe was against them and they emerged in this victorious sovereign gifting, and I feel like they were sovereign vessels. But I feel like I represent kind of a new breed of just everyday people who are called to hear from God in powerful ways, and as we pursue him, First Corinthians 14:1, where it says, “Pursue love like your love depends on it and eagerly desire prophecy.” And that’s been my life. I’ve just been hungry that God would speak because I know what happens when he speaks and it causes everything to multiply and accelerate. Everything changes. All our opportunities change. So for me, I don’t think, like I’ve been around real prophets or sovereign vessels. I feel like I’ve had some of those demonstrations in my life. But when I go home at night I don’t feel like God is pursuing me like a prophet. I feel like I’m pursuing him out of hunger for who he is and it’s just a beautiful thing that I think everybody can have that.
SID: When you prophesy, what is going on with love in connection with prophecy? What are you trying to accomplish?
SHAWN: Well I’m trying to see someone in the original form that God created them to be before the delineation. I’m trying to see them like the best version of who they are, the best version of what God, Jesus paid a price for this amazing abundant life. So what would they look like if all of a sudden they were restored to that original plan if it was all the delineation was gone, all the sin, immorality, the character issues, the family issues, all that stuff was just not in the equation any more. What would it look like?
SID: We wouldn’t even recognize people.
SHAWN: We wouldn’t.
SID: Because God has, I guess he wants to get us as close to the original man, Adam, as possible and it is possible.
SHAWN: It is possible. That’s what I’m looking at and when I see that spiritually, something happens that connects inside of me where I start to see sometimes people’s birthdays by a word of knowledge because God thought of us for millions of years. He knew the day we were going to be born. And everybody loves a birthday, so if you say, is your birthday March 15th, someone goes, how did you know? How did you know my birth date?
SID: You prayed for people that have moved in to knowing dates?
SHAWN: Oh yes. So many people, thousands of reports now, thousands of reports of people knowing dates, anniversary dates, birth dates, phone numbers, social security numbers, bank account numbers, secret information you cannot research. Some people say, you can get it off Facebook. Not really. There is so much you cannot research that God is giving us right now. I mean, one of the billionaires that I met with, he at one point admits…
Man 1: I’m actually not a believer. I believe Jesus was a historic figure, but I really don’t believe in God. You don’t actually believe that Jesus is like real today, do you?
Man 2: I don’t even know how to answer that. I can’t get into a theological debate right now. I have something.
SHAWN: I took the biggest risk I had to take it at that point, and I started to say a 25-character long thing. I didn’t know what it was. I thought it was like…
Man 2: 101-ED#674237654299.
Man 1: That’s our most private bank account number. Even you don’t know it.
Man 1: Only the banker and I know this.
SHAWN: He got saved because I knew his banking number that no one could have researched.
SID: I’ll tell you, I am excited that Shawn has this gift, but I have even greater excitement that did you hear what he said? Thousands he knows when he prays get these gifts. Tell me about the prostitute in Hawaii.
SHAWN: I went, I was walking down, I was in Honolulu on a trip and I was walking to get a Subway sandwich. It was like 10:00 at night and they had put me in a beautiful condo, but it was right outside the red light district, which thank God, I’m used to red light districts. Our team ministers had them. So we’re walking right at the beginning of the red light district.
Man 1: Hey bud, you want something?
Man 2: No. I am hungry for some sandwiches.
Man 1: Want a girl?
SHAWN: And he pointed at a girl who was 16 years old on the steps with two teenage boys, and I could tell just from our work with prostitution that she wasn’t in the game very long if at all. And so I looked at her. It just concerned me. I just had this father’s heart hit me like if that was my daughter what would I do. She’s a runaway on the streets. I just had a discernment of knowing, you know. And I walked over to her and I said hey…
Man: Can I talk to you for a minute.
Man: I’m a pastor, a Christian. I believe God thought of you millions of years before you were ever created. What do you want to do to with your life?
Girl: I don’t know.
Man: Okay. Close your eyes. Repeat after me. God thought of you for millions of years.
Girl: God, I know you thought of me for millions of years.
Man: What did you create for me to do?
Girl: What did you create for me to do?
Man: That you would find the most joy in?
Girl: That you would find the most joy in? [scream] I just heard something. I’m supposed to be a cook.
Man: Like a chef?
Man: Do you like cooking?
Girl: I don’t know.
SHAWN: Okay. Let’s pray again. Let’s ask God for one step towards that you can make this week so you can change your whole life. She goes, okay. She prays and she goes, “I’m supposed to call my uncle.” And I said, “This is awesome. Why would you call your uncle?” She goes, “He has a diner. I think he’ll hire me and he might give me a place to sleep and a place to live.” And I said, “Do you promise to call. Here’s my phone number.” We exchanged phone numbers and the boy next to her was, “I want a dream.” [unintelligible] And we agreed on something, and he actually heard, “I’m going into the military,” which he did. So six months later, she calls me.
Girl: My uncle wants to open another diner with me.
Man: Are you going to college for business administration?
Girl: No. We’re opening it next month in the bowling alley. He’s giving me 50 percent ownership.
SHAWN: Just 17 years old and is a co-owner of a diner. She was a prostitute.
SID: You see the transformation. If that were you helping that prostitute who’s going to end up dead someday and transforming her to who God originally intended. What do you mean, by the way, your book is called “Translating God”, what do you mean by “translating God”?
SHAWN: You know, I go to a lot of countries, and I go to a lot of translators, and there’s good translators and there’s bad translators. Most of the time I have really great translators. And it’s amazing we have a good translator because they’re communicating the whole heart essence of what you’re saying. They’re almost like symbiotic with you. They’re part of your heart in that moment and they’re not thinking the whole time. They’re actually just clearly communicating the articulation of your heart and I felt like God was saying, “I want you to be my translator. I want you to translate my heart to the earth’s right now, not just my language, not just be a parrot and repeat the words.” There was an old school mentality of the prophetic, just deliver the mail, don’t look at it. God is saying, “Look at the mail, read it, fall in love with the people the mail is for and then give it to them with all your heart.” And so translation takes more than just repeating something. It actually takes culturizing yourself into a culture where it comes from. Like ours is the Kingdom of Heaven. So I wrote this book. My wife actually named it. But I wrote this book because we’re called to translate God on the earth to ourselves and around us. We know we’re mature when we understand what he’s saying to us. We know we’re mature in effect when we can change the world around us with his voice.
SID: Can you imagine you can have the same job as Shawn translating God. When we come back, he loves to pray for people and after he prays for them they actually see Heaven. They actually hear God’s voice. They actually translate God. Be right back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with LaDonna Osborn. And LaDonna, you really provoke me to jealousy. Is there any unbelief inside of you?
LaDONNA: If God said it, he cannot lie. The challenge is us believing. If we can just believe. And that’s a choice. That’s a decision. If we can just align ourselves with God’s reality and shut out everything that’s contrary, that’s faith. So of course, the places I go and the multitudes I stand before, if you don’t know what’s going to happen, don’t go.
SID: Could you paint me a picture of what it was, what we, I might have seen back in those early days in these foreign countries, what it looked like.
LaDONNA: Yes. Walking on the field and coming to the platform, we had crude wooden platforms and the public was invited to come. We had no aisles, no ushers, no chairs. It was just a mass of people as far as the eye could see. And they came carrying their sick, sometimes on their back, sometimes in wheelbarrows, sometimes they were dragging their cripple’s bodies, leading the blind. Oh the smell of disease. And when you see a mass of people gathering like that it was always so simple. We never had music. We never had preliminaries. Just my father or mother would stand up with their Bible and begin declaring the Good News of Jesus Christ. And to see, and I remember this as such a child, looking in the faces of such longing and such hopelessness.
SID: Tell me about that Muslim beggar.
LaDONNA: His name was Catimu [sp]. He was a victim of polio and had polio for 38 years, four months and three days. It happened that the king of Ibadan was a Christian and that king was the chairman of our crusade, and that king sent word Catimu, attend that crusade. Well of course, Catimu had to come. But he stayed way in the back. And he was sitting there, his legs were all drawn up, just bone. He put car tires, pieces of car tire on his knees and with wooden blocks. That’s the way he moved around. So he couldn’t lift himself up at all. Way at the back, he was a reverent man, a nice Muslim. He listened to the message. It happened my father preached about the resurrection of Christ. And Catimu listened and didn’t believe. This isn’t the mercy of God. During the prayer, just because Catimu was reverent, he bowed his head and he felt, it seemed two men lifted him up to get him out of the dust. He felt that was very nice. So after the prayer, he turned to say thank you, and no one was there. He was standing on those boney legs, healed by the power of God. Hallelujah.
SID: I’ll tell you what, now T.L. Osborn had no special gifting. He just proclaimed the truth and God backed up the words.
LaDONNA: That’s it.
SID: LaDonna, raised on the platform, did the same thing and God, as a matter of fact, would you like to see a clip of LaDonna? She’s a chip off the old block. Let’s roll it.
LaDONNA: We come to bring the message of Jesus and allow him to do his miracles. Jesus, [unintelligible] get up and and walk.
LaDONNA: Spirits, a disease in vain, go in Jesus’ name. Get ready to turn away from any other faith or religion.
Man: [foreign language]
LaDONNA: You’re ready to declare Jesus as your Lord.
Man: [foreign language]
LaDONNA: Now if you want to do that tonight.
Man: [foreign language]
LaDONNA: Then I want to see your hands.
Boy: [foreign language]
SID: Now here’s what’s so amazing to me. Her dad, her mom, now you’ve seen LaDonna and then another generation who I’ve interviewed, her son Tommy going to the nations, and they don’t have special gifting. How did they get such good results?
LaDONNA: The secret is in just believing the words of Jesus. And of course, Sid, the very same process that the disciples went through in the Bible is our process. They believed the words of Jesus, they did what he said, they received power, the power of the Holy Spirit, that’s the Spirit of Christ, allowing Christ to continue his work. And then they went to the known world, and in the space of two years, they turned the world upside down. So the results, the fruit of obedience and the power of the Holy Spirit is guaranteed by the Word of God. Miracles are the proof.
SID: You know, that is God’s Plan A.
SID: And because we haven’t had God’s Plan A, we’ve gone to B through Z. It’s time for Plan A to come back. I’m going to have LaDonna pray for you when we come back.