Sid: If you’re not red hot for the Messiah you’re lukewarm and you should read about yourself in the book of Revelation. Jesus said “If you’re not hot or cold I will vomit you out of my mouth.” Well, the only, the only, the only, the only position to be in is red hot for the Messiah. My guest is Jonathan Bernis you’re probably familiar with him from his television show “Jewish Voice with Jonathan Bernis.” Jonathan and I have been friends for over 30 years. On yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about the most amazing difference so few Christians understand this of the Jewish or Hebrew understanding of the word mediate. Would you explain that again Jonathan?
Jonathan: I will Sid, there’s two kinds of meditation; actually there’s two words in Hebrew. The one that’s similar to the Christian concept of meditation is the idea that we are using our mind to reflect on the scripture. The word is sekha and it has to do with rehearsing in one’s mind or thoughts. This is the Christian concept; but the Hebrew concept is very different it’s the word haga and we get from that the Haggadah which means to tell, or retell the story of Passover. And it literally means to groan; to sigh or mutter or to speak. So while the Christian concept is derived really more from a Latin contemplation; the idea of contemplation and reflection and thought. Hebrew is the idea of speaking forth. And that’s what we find in Joshua 1:8 where Joshua was told to be strong and to be courageous and he’ll be successful if he does one thing. Meditates, confesses the word of God. He’s told to keep the word on his mouth. Not on his mind and heart but on his mouth. And so this is a very very important key Sid. We build faith when we confess the word of God; we hear it, we confess it and we hear it. And it eventually gets into our spirit and faith is released.
Sid: Well, you talk about Proverbs 18:21 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue.” It’s almost like our words are magnets of blessings or curses.
Jonathan: The absolutely are; I meet people and you can see that they are beaten down and very insecure. And when you really probe Sid you find out that they have been reinforced with negative words. They have been told by their parents “You’re no good; you’re not going to amount to anything; you’re good for nothing. And sadly they come to believe it. And it takes the power of God; it takes deliverance to break free from that. But when children are reinforced with the Word of God “You are a child of God; greater is He who is in you that he that is in the world. You can do all things through the Messiah who strengthens you.” It also brings life to them…
Sid: Give me an example of someone that you instructed to meditate. What was wrong with them and what happened to them?
Jonathan: Okay as a pastor a woman who really I was very endeared to; a very sweet woman but she suffered from terrible depression. Sid, you could see it all over her face.
Sid: How long did she have this problem?
Jonathan: Well, like the woman with the issue of blood she had suffered from this for decades; more than 20 years. She had gone to doctors, specialists, therapists. She had tried everything and she was still just covered with depression; it was interwoven into her personality. I counseled her and I counseled her, I was a relatively young pastor Sid and it went nowhere. Then the Lord spoke to me as I was praying for her and told me to do one thing. “Give her scriptures that she can begin to confess; give her a homework assignment.” And so when I met with her the next time I didn’t go through an hour of back and forth counseling and ideas and the wisdom of man. I said “Sue, Susan these are scriptures that I want you to confess.” Like “Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world; You’re more than conquers through Him who loved us and gave Himself for us.” I gave her those scriptures; she came in the next week and said she was a different person. You could see it all over her face; she had joy; she had peace; she had been set free not by my intensive counseling but by confessing the Word of God again and again until it broke those demonic forces. Somebody just got delivered as I spoke Sid; I just felt it.
Sid: Well, I’m going to tell you something; this brand new book and it is brand new “Confessing the Hebrew Scriptures; the Lord is Peace.” Jonathan describe to me when they get this in the mail what they will receive and we’re going to pay a selection from the CD after you do that.
Jonathan: Okay, they’re going to get a beautiful hardbound coffee table book filled with gorgeous pictures that reflect peace and tranquility and rest. Shalom is an amazing word Sid that doesn’t mean just peace but it means wholeness; it means prosperity; it means wellbeing; it means to be brought to completion. Then they’ll see about 50 scriptures both Old and New Testament that have the English; below it the Hebrew. And then below that something called transliteration. This is the phonetic English of the Hebrew; and then in the back there is a CD that’s in the book; they pull the CD out and then they play the CD and they here this beautiful soft meditative music and then the confession of these scriptures in English and then in Hebrew. And what they do is they begin to confess along with the Hebrew speaker these scriptures and then they can speak perfect Hebrew without any background; without any experience; without any education.
Sid: Now I can see entire families doing this. They sit down; the little children, the mother, the father and read it in the Hebrew and listen to it in the Hebrew. And Hebrew is unlike any other language in the world; it is a supernatural language. It was prophesied, it would be restored in Israel someday. They would speak it in the streets of Judah and the cities of Israel and this has happen. But I believe that as they listen to this at night or during the day you’re taking in the word of God and it’s becoming flesh inside of you. And the days we’re living in; if you’re not speaking in your supernatural languages and if you’re not meditating on the promises of God’s word; you may go to heaven but you may go sooner than God wants you to. So Jonathan, tell me about a verse that we’re going to play in a moment.
Jonathan: Jeremiah 29; this is actually in the book. Jeremiah 29 verses 11-13 and then you can hear the CD with the music and it’s spoken in Hebrew. One of my favorite scriptures it says “For I know the thoughts that I think towards you say’s the Lord; thoughts of peace and not evil to give you a future and a hope; then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me and I will listen to you and you will seek Me and find Me when you search Me with all your heart.”
Sid: Okay, let’s hear the CD and remember you’re hearing this by a native speaking Israeli. You’re being able to read this in this amazing method that has taught Jews all over the world to instantly read Hebrew. It’s called transliteration. And you’re hearing the music and you’re hearing the words in English. And then I want you to when you go to bed at night if you’re listening to it just before you go to bed or if you’re reading it in this beautiful book guess what you’ll be dreaming about all night? You’ll be dreaming these promises. So let’s listen to it right now.
CD: Excerpt of Jeremiah 29:11 – 13.
Sid: Okay, you just heard in Hebrew and English Jeremiah 29:11-13. Jonathan, what does that verse mean to you?
Jonathan: Well Sid the context of this is that it’s a great scripture in the midst of a bad chapter. The chapter is they’re captivity in Babylon, but the Lord says “I’m not finish with you; I have a plan for you; I have a good plan for you.” And He has a plan for all of us. That word peace shalom doesn’t just mean peace Sid. Some translation’s say “My plan is to prosper you.” Shalom is prosperity; it’s God’s prosperity; not to inflict evil or rah in Hebrew upon us; but to give us a future and a hope. God has a destiny for each and every one of us. An intended destination; that’s what the Hebrew word akhareet means which you hear in the Hebrew text, that’s an expected end a destiny. He brings us to a place where we complete our purpose for this life. And hear Him say “Good and faithful servant. Well done.” Sid, how do we get to that destination? By the hearing the voice of God; by praying in other tongues, by confessing the word of God, by building faith into our spirit. So that we can do what we see Him doing; it gives us ears to hear and eyes to see.
Sid: And God is speaking to me just as Jonathan was speaking; I mean there is such an anointing on the Hebrew language. People with arthritis in their fingers if you’ll begin to move your fingers you’ll see the pain is gone. And people with back problems and neck problems if you’ll just move your back; bend over. If you’ll just move your head side to side you’ll find that you’re totally healed in Jesus Name.
Sid: Now my guest really needs no introduction if you’ve heard of Promise Keepers you’ve heard of the person that started it Coach Bill McCartney. This is an organization that had as many as 1.4 million Christians from every denomination; from every background. I mean and that is a supernatural feat to get all of these men together to worship the Lord. But to get to Promise Keepers God had to work with him in other arenas. As a matter of fact God is working with you; you may not realize this but God has something great He has a destiny of greatness. Why do I say this? Because I believe that we’re in the generation that will welcome the return of the Messiah. And to whom much is given much is required. But everything that you’ve done thus far is a stepping stone to the next thing. So I want to find out a bit about Coach Bill McCartney of how he got to the point where God could use him for Promise Keepers and the new thing that he’s doing right now. Coach, tell me a bit about how you came to the Lord.
Coach: I really had a unique beginning Sid. I was evangelized by the conservative community but discipled by the prophetic community. The guys that discipled me were zealous for the things of God. So early on I was exposed to wholehearted believers who gathered and worshiped God without inhibition. It really served to catapult me so to speak into a fiery pursuit of the things of God.
Sid: Well, when you got into coaching you started putting God first and He started actually giving you game plans.
Coach: He did you know I laugh because a lot of people think God doesn’t care who wins football games but that is not what God’s word says. God’s word in Proverbs 3, 5 and 6 says “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.” It doesn’t say in every way but football, it says in every way. So I took Him at His word and committed everything that I did in football. When I was the assistant coach at Michigan I was the defensive coordinator and it was my responsibility to develop the defensive strategy from week to week. I found God helping me to that and had extraordinary results.
Sid: Tell, me one occasion that you can think of.
Coach: Well, we were going to play a Purdue and Purdue had at that time the all-time total offense leader in the history of college football. His name was Mark Herman. And Purdue was coming to Anarbor; six weeks leading up to us they had averaged 45 points a game. So you know this is a tremendous challenge and so as I heal this before the Lord He gave me a game plan that really at that time was unique to even the professional ranks.
Sid: Did you realize it was coming supernaturally or did it just kind of evolve and “Oh, this must be God?”
Coach: Oh no, I jumped up and down I said “I got it; I’ve got it.”
Coach: I mean I ran around the room and I knew that God had spoken to me.
Sid: And needless to say you won.
Coach: And we not only won but we shut them out; we beat them 26 to nothing.
Coach: It shocked the college football world; this was 1980.
Sid: That must have been have put your name on the map as an Assistant Coach.
Coach: Well, what happened was the big Ten Conference, this was a matter of record; they named me the Big Ten Player of the week. Now that’s absurd because it never happened before when any coach was named Player of the Week, but it was just evidence that God was building my faith. He was speaking into me; He was teaching me that I could trust His voice.
Sid: Just for those that are not knowledgeable of football can you explain a little bit about what God said for a layman as far as this special plan that you just shut down this high scoring team.
Coach: Yes sir. What happened was what we would do is go out and practice and we filmed everything that we did on the practice field and then as coaches we would have dinner; the players would go on an study and what not and back to their dorms or fraternities. And the coaches would come back into the meeting room; so we were watching what we were doing during the week as we prepared for Purdue. It was obvious that we couldn’t stop out own scout team in practice. It was made up of inferior players that weren’t as good as the other guys on our team. So I’m praying the whole time; I’m saying “Lord You got to help me.”
Sid: Now does your team know that you’re praying?
Coach: No, and the other guys in the room the other assistant coaches don’t know either I’m praying below my breath. I’m saying “Lord help me; I got to have help me I don’t know what to do.” And right in the midst of that the idea that He gave me was that if we defended them with 6 defensive backs in the game at one time we could match up with them. Well that… currently today it’s pretty customary for teams to do that on occasion, but back then nobody was doing that.
Sid: So you really caught them by surprise.
Coach: Well, they couldn’t adjust to it.
Coach: Well, we had them off balance the whole game. They couldn’t hardly make a first down after the 1st quarter. So it was just one of those things that really shocked and surprised the college football world and it built my faith.
Sid: And you got a few awards for that particular activity.
Coach: Well, that particular game I was named the Big Ten Player of the Week but it did lead to my being hired. It was instrumental to my being hired as the Head Football Coach at Colorado shortly thereafter.
Sid: Now you had a prophetic word about that, “You will be His Rock in Boulder.”
Coach: What happened was when I got hired at Colorado and elderly lady from the east I’ve never met her; never heard from her before or since. She wrote me a letter within one week of me being hired and she said “Coach McCartney, Almighty God told me to tell you that you will be His Rock in Boulder.” And not only that I got a letter; I had 4 guys from the state of Texas make an appointment to see me. I’m still only 1 week on the job and they said “Coach God sent us here to tell you that He’s going to use you greatly in the days ahead.” Well, what do you do with those things except you carry them in your head and you hold them before the Lord and you trust that He’s going to glorify Himself.
Sid: Tell me about that time that you were really involved in intense practice and all of sudden the worst time of the world your Pastor comes trolling down the football field to see you. You see him coming you know that you’re so preoccupied, what happened?
Coach: This is a great story. It was 1989 the best record that we had had in Colorado in my 8 years there was 8 and 4. We were looking forward in having a great team and we were practicing in August during two day sessions. These two day sessions are very intense; everything that we do has been discussed and rehearsed in advance meaning we don’t do anything indiscriminately. Every play that we practice we have discussed it and researched it. So it was in the midst of that kind of a laboratory experience that I look over and the pastor of my church is running out on to the practice field. And I’m thinking to myself “Pastor don’t come out here.” I’m kind of giving him body language and you know and it would be tantamount to him preaching on Sunday and me tapping him on the shoulder and interrupting him. I mean you wouldn’t do that.
Coach: But he’s undeterred, he gets there he says “Coach, coach you’re not going to believe this.” He said “I had a dream last night, and in the dream God showed me that your team is going to have a golden season and you personally will be the national coach of the year.” Well, we haven’t even played the game yet and he’s got me winning the National Coach of the Year. So obviously you know when he…
Sid: There’s a Hebrew word he’s a little “Mashuga” he’s a little crazy. Did you think or did you believe that was from God?
Coach: He had my full attention and matter of fact I was no longer offended that he was out there.
Coach: And I was ready for anything that he was going to tell me. Well, he wrote it all down and two weeks later we opened on National Television the first game of the season it was a home game. And we played the University of Texas; we win the game and the next day in the Denver post right across the front page it says in bold letters, “Colorado Buffaloes Debut Golden Season.” I mean the very thing he said.
Sid: And the end of the year what happened?
Coach: One game and having people call it a Golden Season. Furthermore you don’t win one game and make the Front Page; you make the Sports Page.
Coach: But anyway it happened just like he said; we won all 11 games; I was voted the National Coach of the Year and we had a Golden Season.
Sid: I love it when it’s true prophetic words from God. Coach we’re out of time right now.
Sid: Getting ready Mishpochah for the greatest revival the world has ever seen. And I have a man called by God. He was in South Africa minding his own business, but even as a child he had a burden for the United States of America. So he’s here now; his job is to get you hungry for God so that the fire of God will come upon you so that you can operate in all 9 gifts of the Spirit; so that you can be the mouth piece, the arms, the legs, the hands, the touch, the eyes of Jesus. Because they’re people that you’re going to touch that no one else in the world; it’s as easy for them to touch. There’s a destiny on your life; there’s a purpose; everyone knows there’s an urgency. And I was talking to Rodney before we went on the air and I said “Rodney, when you say get hungry for God I understand what you say but that just kind of abstract for me.” But on yesterday’s broadcast when you said turn off the TV, get a Bible, start underlining every miracle. Now that’s something I can bite my teeth into, that’s something that I can grab hold of. Help me, help everyone that’s listening right now to get hungry for God. What are some practical things we can do?
Rodney: Well first of all I think when it comes to the subject of the anointing and you listen to different people talk and people think that you got to go lock yourself up in away in a mountain somewhere. Which I’m not saying you can’t do that but sometimes it’s not practical if you’re married and you got children and you got to go to work. I try to take what the word of God says and apply it to everyday normal peoples life not to so hermit or somebody that’s going to go live in some mountain somewhere and pray by themselves. Because you know God wants to use everybody within the normalcy of their life. They’re working a job, their married, they got children, you’ve got to take the kids to school, you got to take out the trash, take the dogs for a walk, go to work so. What happens is many times it’s intimated that to walk in the anointing you got to be some recluse, some hermit and all these kind of stuff which is not true. Or then because you are now paying the price for the anointing you lose your wife, your children, all that kind of stuff, that’s not true either. It’s totally different in the case of Jesus; He came down and He had 3½ years of birthing ministry, and then He went to the cross and then He went up and sits at the right hand of the Father. But here we are living our lives some 70, 80, some 90 years and then we go home. But we are getting married and having children… so how do we take this practically and apply this in our life? Well, what I’ve always told people to do is get your Bible because it’s not just about going to fast and pray for 40 days. People do that and it gets some weird revelation that’s outside of the scripture. Take your Bible, everything that God is going to do is going to have its foundation within the scripture. If you can’t find it in the scripture then you don’t want it. And if you don’t follow the word of God you’re going to open yourself up to manifestations and there will be signs and wonders and it will be New Age and it will be crazy stuff and it will have devastating effects on an individual’s life. So it’s the word of God that will cause the fruit to be made manifest in our life. Everything we do we want to base off of the word. And the Bible is very plain in the Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. At the end of the gospel of John he said all of these miracles did Jesus do and all of the others that if they had written down I don’t suppose the books of the world would contain it. But we do have an account of the miracle ministry and the life of Jesus. So we go in; let’s say we start in the Book of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John underline every miracle that He did. Underline all of His sayings, and follow very closely the ministry of Jesus. Then go over to the Book of Acts and see what God did which many people call the Acts of the Apostles, but really it’s not, actually it’s the acts of the Holy Ghost through the life of the Apostles. And the Bible’s very plain too where it says “The promises unto you and your children and all of them that are far off.” And I promise you that anyone listening to me right now if you will take your Bible. If necessarily go down to a bookstore buy a brand new Bible, get some markers and start in the Gospel of Matthew and begin to underline and begin to mark and take notes. And go Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and the Book of Acts. That by the time you finish the last chapter the book of Acts something is going to happen. And as you do that you pray, and you say “Lord, I’m hungry to see what You saw and happened in Bible days.” We know the Bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. And we know that the Bible declares that He is watching over His word to perform it. That the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous and His ears are open to their prayers. And all over the world the Spirit of God is moving; when we hear of many miracles that are taking place in the Middle East, things that are happening in China, things that are happening in different parts of the world where men and woman are out there believing God. We know that the Book of Acts are still on the earth; that the Book of Acts does not have a closeout like some of the other letters written to the churches where the greetings and salutations. The Book of Acts we are still in the final chapters of it and the age of the church that was born 2000 years ago. And when Jesus met the disciples and breathed on them and said “Receive ye the Holy Ghost.” But then He told them to go and get empowered with the Holy Spirit and said “You shall receive” power after that the Holy Ghost has come upon you and you will be witnesses unto me.” The purpose of the power is not just for us to sit on our blessed assurance and to show up in church on Sunday morning for a 1 hour dry cleaning service, in by 10:00 out by 11:00.
Rodney: It’s been rehearsed, take up the offertory and they preach from the Encyclopedia Britannica, and the Readers Digest, and then pronounce the last rites and everybody goes home just as dead as what they came. The purpose of the power is to mobilize the church. We are ordinary men; ordinary women full of the Holy Ghost while they’re married, have children, while they work a job and go out and are being a witness. And the word witness there is to be a demonstrator of the resurrection. So that when you meet people wherever they are even if they did not believe that there was a God when they met you they’d have to say “I didn’t believe that there was a God but somebody showed up at my work today and they talked like nothing I’ve ever heard before.” I looked in their eyes and I see Jesus in their eyes. I hear Jesus in their voice, I feel Jesus in their touch. And that’s called the touch of God. Anyone listening right now and you’re desperate and your hungry and you do these things and you cry out to the Lord, and you will read the word and you will pray, and you will read the word some more, and you’ll pray. And you’ll forget about all of what other people say out there. Forget about all the attack and people saying “This is not for today and God doesn’t want to do this and that.” You say “Lord, if You’re real and You’re word is real and this is for today, then You come and You show me and You manifest Yourself to me, and in me and through me. Because God will first come and manifest Himself to you and manifest Himself in you and so Ultimately He can manifest Himself through you. And so He want to touch a lost and dying world. But He can’t touch it if all you have is something that’s just intellectual. He’s got to touch the world when what you’ve received from Him. As the Apostle Paul said “I received of the Lord that which I also I delivered unto you.” You can’t give what you don’t have, but once you get that touch from heaven, once you get the touch of God. And in just a few moments I’m going to pray for everybody to receive that. And really what I am going to pray is that you will get a hunger for the things of God. Because it’s not something “Oh, just pray for me now and I’m going to get the touch of God.” You want to get hungry for Him, you want to get thirsty for Him. And this means everything about your life is going to change. The first thing we do of course is repent, you can’t have the touch of God and have the things of the world. You can’t have the touch of God and be living in the world and not living a pure and a holy life. And people say “Well, you can’t do that.” I’ve got news for you, you can. And Jesus tells us that we can and we follow Him. And we… a good tree brings forth good fruit.
Sid: Rodney, our time is slipping, will you pray.
Rodney: Yes Sir, let’s pray right now. Father I pray for every single person listening today, I pray for a spiritual hunger to descend upon them in the Name of Jesus. I pray Lord that they get so desperate for You that they want You and that they want that intimate personal relationship with You. And that You will come and reveal Yourself to them and in them and through them. And that You will make Your love known to them and they will have an encounter with You and they will receive Your touch. And then through their life that you will touch the lost and dying world. Lord there are people listening right now without no hope, there’s people listening that have lost their way, but that you would bring them back. Lord, put a hook in their jaw and bring them back. Let them fall in love with Jesus all over again. Touch them with the joy of Your salvation; heal sick bodies today. Lord, let people surrender their life to total Lordship. Let the things of the world grow dim, let the things of the world fall by the wayside. Let Your fire fall upon them even now. And a greater level of hunger and desperation and thirst for You come upon them. And Lord in the days and weeks to come that they will see and we will hear of the fruit that coming forth from the life of many of the believers that are crying out to You. And Lord, I just thank You that as You could touch me all those years ago in Africa that You will touch people listening right now on the radio. Let the fire of God fall upon each and every person and let a hunger for the things of God descend upon them. Let them love Your word, let the hunger for Your word and the things of Your Spirit come upon them. An insatiable appetite for the Word of God to descend upon them even now. I pray this in the wonderful Name of Jesus and I thank You Lord, I thank You for it and I give You praise.
Sid: I believe that so many people are having that switch pulled inside them right now.
Sid: Now I have been so looking forward to this interview this week because you know it says in scripture “He that touches Israel touches the actual pupil of God’s eye.” And one translation says “He that touches Israel pokes their finger in God’s eye.” So the operative question that I want to ask you is “Why care about Israel?” The book and the author that I have on the telephone; the author is a Messianic Jew by the name of Sandy Teplinsky; I’m speaking to her to her at her home at Anaheim, California. The title of the book is “Why Care About Israel? Let me ask you some questions that we’ll be discussing this week. What is the tiny nation of Israel about? Why does it even exist? As a Christian how should I understand the Arab Palestinian Israeli Conflict and respond in love towards all involved? Is there a Biblical solution to the conflict? How is the Holy Spirit working in the lives of Jews and Muslims today? What does Israel have to do with my personal relationship with God? And I love the subject title of the book “How the Jewish Nation Is Key to Unleashing God’s Blessings in the 21st Century.” Sandy Teplinsky we have met on a number of occasions. You’re a Jewish believer in the Messiah. I always ask this question because I know that this is a God book therefore there’s a God circumstance that had you write the book. Why did you write the book “Why Care About Israel?
Sandra: Sid this book really has… this book was not written as a theological treatise although we certainly do include numerous biblical references and all things need to be tested by the word of God. But this book was written fundamentally out of my personal journey with the Lord Yeshua over the past decade. And my goal in writing this book is to take the readers on the same sort of experiential journey into the very love chambers of God’s heart for all His people. The kind of journey that He took me on over the years which primarily is the result of a very unusual background that I had stemming from my childhood. I did not come into this thing through a Messianic Jewish Congregation; they didn’t exist when I came to the Lord. I came to the Lord actually out of a very violently anti-Jewish setting even though I’m a baby boomer I was born in the United States. I grew up in a really rough neck kind of neighborhood not very far from a local Nazi headquarters. I had to learn to physically fight as just a primary grade kid for the many times I was called “Dirty Jew” and “Christ killer” and “Go back to Israel” and all sorts of things. And so you can imagine that by the time I came to a saving knowledge of Yeshua there were lots of issues that needed to be addressed. And God used those issues to bring me not only to a place of forgiveness but to a place of really entering into the love chambers of His heart for His Church. You know the nations, the Gentiles of some who may or may not have been Christians I don’t know you know the very ones that would beat me up in the school yard on the playground you know and I end up kind of schlepped or dragged off to the Principal’s office and kind of rebuke time after time for attempting to defend myself and causing a playground scuffle. Those very incidents were the soil that came through non-Jews could only have been healed through non-Jews. And so shortly after I came to the Lord He graciously surrounded me with Christian believers who ministered deep healing to me. And of course the Lord is never satisfied just with healing; you know He likes to replace it with something even bigger than the wound that was there. So He began providing what was supernatural revelation of His heart for Jews and Gentile believers, Jewish believers and Gentile believers to come together as one new humanity or one new man as your book is entitled. So that became a springboard for a rather unique journey into God’s heart for Israel, as well as God’s heart for the Gentiles. And so along with that I was going to synagogue; I grew up in a pretty Orthodox type of upbringing, and at the same time the rabbis were showing us kids just 5-6-7 year olds unedited footage of the holocaust. And we would sit there as you know just primary graders and watch what looked like heap upon heaps of skeleton like bodies just plopped into like mass graves. And we’d see these bazaar macabre like Nazi like medical experiments conducted on kids of our own age. And we were told “This is what the world will do to you. This is what Christians will do to you if you let them and you must never again allow that to happen.”
Sid: And you know what, I don’t want to digress too much, but I have a Jewish Aunt because I’m a Jewish believer in Messiah also. I was talking to her recently and she’s in her 80’s and she loves me; and she respects my belief. She isn’t a believer herself and she asked me a question the other day. She says “Why is it when I hear the Name Jesus I feel so repulsed; I feel so awful why is it?” And you know there’s answer’s to that I said to her it’s almost like a chess game and the devil has caused people who call themselves Christians and wear the biggest crosses to have done the most horrible anti-Jewish deeds in history. And even though you don’t know yourself of how horrible that past is its past is a Jew can believe in anything. A Jew can be an atheist; a Jew can be a Buddhist; a Jew can be active in the New Age all things that are abominations according to the Word of God. But the only thing that a Jew can’t do is believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah and then they’re ostracized from the community. And it’s such a stronghold among our people; how could you Sandy like a Jew that was beaten and persecuted for being a Jew become a believer in Jesus?
Sandra: Well, it wasn’t easy; well I felt obligated spit when I hear the name Jesus. Certainly not the only one of our people that reacts that way. I vowed, I vowed that I would never allow Jesus Christ or his people who calls themselves Christians to do those sorts of things to the Jewish people again. I thought Jesus wanted me dead and hated me. I truly grew up with that understanding because the people who said that they followed Him communicated that to me by their words and their deeds. Now I came to the Lord in trying to disprove the gospel. In college I went on a search for truth; I remember Sid being in the Hillel Synagogue at the campus that I was attending my freshman year of college and I left the service in the middle of the High Holiday Prayers in tears crying because I did not see authentic expression of spirituality there and it broke my heart. Because along with all this anti-Semitism I was growing up with going to the Synagogue 5 days a week and the fundamental prayer of Judaism the Shema which calls upon us to love the Lord our God with all our heart, our mind and soul and strength; I did not see full-filled in my life nor in anybody else’s around me. And so I left the synagogue in tears as a freshman in college and decided I needed to find God in some other way but obviously neither I or anyone else I could see was truly loving Him with all our heart as our for Fathers Abraham and Jacob Moses and David did. So I embarked on all kinds of eastern mystical things; you know we call them New Age now but they’re really not new. (Laughing) And the Christian evangelist on campus spotted me as ripe for the pickings and they attempted to witness to me. Which of course I viewed as another form of anti-Semitism. In witnessing I thought that they wanted me to convert from Judaism to give up being Jewish and to become a Christian. Which naturally infuriated me and naturally I determined to fight fire with fire. I went to the bookstore bought a King James Bible and began to read the New Testament from Matthew through to Revelation specifically to disprove it once and for all. Sid I literally could not get through the first page of Matthew without being profoundly struck that this book was entirely Jewish. That it was extraordinarily different from all the other books I have read and I had gone through the Tibetan book of the Dead, the Bhagavad Gita, I mean all of these other eastern types of writings. But the scriptures, the book of Matthew, the first book in the New Covenant the very words to me contained a power and a love that I knew was supernatural.
Sid: Sandy I hate to do it we’re out of time Mishpochah we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast. There is a history of the Palestinians and the Jews that few Christians understand and there is a blessing wrapped up in understanding what God is up to right now…
Sid: My guest here Nick Griemsmann he had incurable schizophrenia and you know what it says in scripture “To who has been forgiven much they love much.” And the Holy Spirit took him step by step showed him how to be free; how to do his own self-deliverance. You may have problems with or relatives that have mental disorders or tormenting spirits or addictions of all kinds or pornography to alcohol to drugs. Or dealing with emotional problems or dealing with fear and dealing with physical problems. Because a lot of physical healing happens once you get rid of the strongholds and you get rid of the curses and you get rid of the spirits of infirmity. And so few Christians understand this. But Nick the scripture that just came to me so loud and clear when you were sharing how God set you free and I think to myself “Oh God how could I have dealt with what Nick dealt with.” But you know what to someone that is forgiven much they love much and that’s what I’m getting from you Nick. I am… the first time I spoke to you on the phone I could feel such a presence of the love of God. How can others have that type of presence around them; have such intimacy with God the way that you do?
Nick: Well Sid it’s actually pretty easy. You know the Bible says that if you seek the Lord you’ll find Him. And I’d get on the floor and I’d pray on my face in different ways; you could sit down and stuff. I would always quote that scripture; I would say “Lord You are a great rewarder of those who seek You; You said if I seek You I’ll find You.” And I asked the Lord how far can You take me in one life?” I said “How far can You take someone that seeks You?” And I never thought that when I was sitting in the mental hospital years ago that I’d ever be able to minister to others hope and love.
Sid: I feel like you have such compassion; that’s got to do why the healing gift is so amazing in your life. For instance have you really prayed with people that teeth grew back?
Nick: Yeah, we were up at a children’s home up north of Phoenix Arizona and a young girl had her tooth it was like it was down and over and it was bothering her. And we prayed for it and it grew back into place in front of everybody and all these kids were giving their life to the Lord.
Sid: Tell me one person you prayed for and brought you great satisfaction; one person one situation.
Nick: Well, I visited a young lady at the Children’s Hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. I went there to pray for a young girl; she was 13 she had just had heart surgery and they were leaving the next day so they needed prayer. So I prayed with this young girl and she gave her heart to the Lord and she was crying and she was so thankful that the Lord saved her. And in the middle of rejoicing that she got saved she looks up at me and she says “Do you think Jesus could heal my arm?” And here she is she just heart surgery and she wants her arm healed; and I said “Yeah.”
Sid: What was wrong with her arm?
Nick: She holds up her arm and it’s literally 3 or 4 inches in diameter in length than the other one. And she said that her growth plates she fell when she was 6 or 7 or something and her growth plate broke or something like that. She wanted it the same length as the other one.
Sid: What was going on inside of you when she said that to you?
Nick: Well, I was rejoicing over her salvation and that God was touching her. I looked over and I looked over and I said “Whoa that’s a big miracle Lord.” And you go inside and say “It’s a big miracle Lord but I know that You can do it.” And so we prayed and we asked Jesus to grow her mom out and her mom was standing right there and this arm instantly grew out 3 or I would say 3 maybe 4 inches length and then it got fat like the other arm. It wasn’t skinny any more like the other kids are.
Sid: My goodness I wish I had a camera on that in the hospital room. Tell me some issues that can prevent someone from receiving their freedom, their freedom; their deliverance.
Nick: Well, one issue is unforgiveness and a lot of times we’ve been hurt and we hold on to anger or unforgiveness in our hearts. And Jesus said “If we don’t forgive others we can’t be forgiven. Basically we can’t experience the kingdom of God on earth if we’re not forgiving others. And so a lot of times I pray for people and they’ve been hurt and they need a lot of healing in their heart first before they can actually get let’s say arthritis actually cast out of them. So I’ve seen a lot of people just when they forgive somebody the infirmity will actually just leave their body.
Sid: Have you seen someone with arthritis that has forgiven and then the spirit of arthritis has left?
Nick: Yeah, I saw actually a lady that I was walking by a fast food restaurant and it was like a strip mall and I was walking by. And this homeless individual and she was sitting outside of this restaurant and I said “Hey, would you like me to buy you some food.” So I went in and bought her some food and I come out. And she was very hurt; stuff going on with her life and so I prayed with her and we prayed forgiveness and things and she received Jesus. And she couldn’t actually get up and go inside and get the food with me because she had such bad arthritis in her whole body. And the Lord instantly healed her when she prayed and it just went out of her body. And I saw her 2 months later accidentally and she was completely healed still.
Sid: Tell me another issue that might prevent deliverance.
Nick: Failure to live a lifestyle of repentance. You know Jesus said that we’re supposed to repent.
Sid: But wait a second the popular teaching of the day is when you got born again you repented for all of your sins and you don’t have to keep repenting. What would you say to that?
Nick: Well, that’s actually not true because we’re actually supposed to deal with all of our stuff. Paul said that “If you steal you’re supposed to steal no more. He said “That we’re supposed to cast off the works of darkness.” So if you’re doing something against the word of God you’re supposed to deal with it and get rid of it. That’s how you’re supposed to enter into life. Hebrews chapter 6 actually says that. Paul actually wrote “Let’s not go back to the basic principles. The elementary principals of the gospel which is faith, towards God; repentance from dead works.” So without repentance you can’t even access the kingdom of God.
Sid: So tell me a little bit more about some of these issues that prevent deliverance.
Nick: A lot of times they’re just living in sin they don’t even realize it. Somebody will come up for prayer they’ll be sleeping with their boyfriend and they’ll want to be healed of a disease. Their Christians already and they know that they’re not supposed to be doing that. And so you pray for them and nothing happens and you find out later that well, they’re sleeping together and they don’t want to repent of it. Well, you can’t access the kingdom of God without basic elementary principal of repentance.
Sid: So you can see how the devil is spreading the lie you don’t have to live a repentant life.
Sid: Because that then just traps them for the rest of their life.
Nick: Exactly, so Paul said “If you practice such things, anger, fornication, if you practice adultery, if you practice getting drunk; things like that. If you practice sin then you cannot enter; you cannot partake of the kingdom of God now. You can’t do it; you can’t get delivered if you practicing making a practice of sin.”
Sid: Another issue you talk about is believing lies in your mind such as what?
Nick: For instance if you believed you blasphemed; or if you believed your ugly, or if you believe that your disease is incurable, or if you believe that God doesn’t love you. You believe that you’re rejected. So you believe all of these lies.
Sid: And I’ve bumped into people that believed that believe these things that attend church every week but you can’t talk them out of it.
Nick: That’s a stronghold that they actually have to walk though. And the main this is your will. So when I said “Practicing sin.” I’m not talking about struggling with pornography. I’m talking about someone who practices it and doesn’t care. Same thing with lies; you feel like you’re rejected or you hate yourself. If you really want to be free from it and you seek the Lord for it then you can be free from it. If you’re just going to eat the lie like it’s a piece of cake then you’re just going to be stuck with the lie.
Sid: So many people that are listening to us right now that are trapped in homosexuality; trapped in self-hatred; trapped in addictions of all kinds. Trapped in generational curses. Trapped in sicknesses of all kinds, trapped in mental disease. Trapped in all sorts of emotional problems. And step the Holy Spirit directed Nick Griemsmann how to be free from schizophrenia and these same steps work for all of these areas.
Sid: Getting ready Mishpacha to blow the grandest shofar; make the biggest noise maker; it’s called the grogger because it’s Purim. And you know when the book of Esther is read on Purim every time a particular personality their name comes up we do something different. For instance when Haman’s name comes up we have this grogger and we make a great deal of noise because we don’t even want…we want to pretend like he doesn’t even exist. When Mordecai when his name comes up we cheer and we root because it’s like really a funny thing. I’ve got Tommy Tenney on the telephone; we’re discussing his book “Finding Favor With the King” which shows the protocol from the book of Esther on how you can achieve that one night with the King. That intimacy that your heart craves. But more and more important than that it will change your life forever. Tommy, what does this mean to you when we do; make all this noise and the groggers when Haman’s name is mentioned.
Tommy: It’s a great thing; they boo and make noise to drown Haman’s name out. They cheer to elevate Mordecai because that’s what actually happened. And you left out a piece that when Esther’s name is mentioned.
Tommy: Because she’s an object of beauty and it’s kaleidoscope of emotions. But Purim is really about how Esther overcame the enemy and the enemy is Haman. There’s an incredible secret teaching that I won’t even go into today that Haman is the only latest alliteration of an ancient enemy. Haman is called a Agite; that means he’s a descendent of King Agag. If Saul had done his duty way back when Samuel had told him to eradicate Agag and the Amalekites Esther wouldn’t be facing this enemy today. The enemy that you face today if you eradicate your children may have to deal with tomorrow. But here she is; she’s facing Haman. It’s she’s already queen; she has found favor. It would have been easy to just sort of rest upon here laurels to poetically speak. And some times we get to the point in our lives; the kids graduated, we pass that cancer and we’re at a different stage. But often right when we feel like we’re the safest it’s when we face our greatest attack. And Esther .even after she became Queen had to be awoken to the realization that just because she’s in the palace doesn’t mean that she never had another problem. Just because she’s saved doesn’t mean that she’s never had another enemy; Haman rises through the ranks. Esther Chapter 3 verse 1 says that he was promoted; that Haman was promoted. That Haman was advanced and that Haman was elevated and that Haman was…In verse 10 of Chapter 3 it said that he was given the King’s ring. And that looks very intimidating until you come to the realization that…I’m just preaching aren’t I Sid. (Laughing)
Sid: Yeah, but it’s good preaching and it’s in the presence of God so just go for it.
Tommy: When ever God is ready to promote you He must first introduce an enemy. Now that’s really strong and I need people to take a breath and listen. Whenever God get’s ready to promote you He must first introduce and enemy. And if you don’t believe me look again at the life of David. David would have still been a shepherd boy if it were not for Goliath. That the the arrival of an enemy is often the announcement of a promotion. So when a problem shows up even if you’re saved; when a problem showed up in the palace for Esther, that did not mean it was over that was the announcement that promotion is about to come. And they’re are people that are listening right now that Haman’s are showing up in their life and they’re facing the biggest problems that they have ever faced. When Goliath showed up it was David’s turn to be crowned; the promises that had been given him long ago that he felt that he had been forgotten on the backside of the pasture taking care of his dad’s flocks. Suddenly the arrival of an enemy catapulted him to his day of favor. And I’m speaking to people right now that just because a problem has just popped up in your life it’s really an announcement. And here’s the clue; but you say but it’s big. David was not crowned king because Goliath was a midget; they would never had made him king of Goliath had been a midget. Can you see them Sid dancing and rejoicing; David killed a midget. No it wouldn’t happen. No, it was because David killed a giant. The size of your enemy is often a clue to the size of your promotion. Did you get that Sid?
Sid: I got it.; so you’re telling me…
Sid: So you’re telling me that if this afternoon someone comes in your office and says “Tommy Tenney you stole my manuscript; because a lot of people have written books about Esther and I am suing you for 10 million dollars. What is Tommy Tenny do?
Tommy: Well, first of all I pray; and secondly I assure them I didn’t. And third I say “God you’re getting ready to do something really big.” Because you know what Sid; that or you know what Sid? That very thing happened with the movie script.
Sid: Oh no; I didn’t know that.
Tommy: (Laughing) And you know what we just said “You know what God; your favor must really be on this because enemies pop out of the woodwork.
Sid: Well, what was the greatest enemy that you encountered just as you were breaking on this whole series on Esther?
Tommy: We came under attack in our family. My daughter; you know I have 3 daughters and I live very transparently and I announced even on national television what I would tell your audience. We became aware that one of our daughters had been molested and have had a period of time for several years now walking her back through the precess of total healing. And I’m thinking that I needed to be the best Dad possible. But I can bring you a report of victory; it wasn’t instantaneous and it is still progressing but…
Sid: That’s got to hurt you more than if something had happened to you.
Tommy: Oh, absolutely Sid but you know what I am not immune. I may make movies; I may write books; I may be on Christian television but I’m still a Dad and I face all the things that all of the things that your listeners face; and I learned to live by these principals.
Sid: Tommy, when you first found this out what was the first thing you did?
Tommy: Cry, what would you do?
Sid: And then?
Tommy: Pray and ask God for favor and just start walking out. We want to spiritualize everything; when Esther found out who Haman was and what…she had to have a Mordecai to step in and say “Esther, it’s your turn I know he’s an enemy I know that he’s there.” But listen here’s the essence of it; the true thing. Esther refused the presence of an enemy to keep her out of the presence of the King. And she even took Haman with her to a private banquet. So here’s my lesson from Esther for all your listeners. Don’t let a problem in your life keep you out of worship. You say “But, I got cancer, I can’t really worship; I’ve got this problem, I’d worship better if I didn’t have a lack of resources; I could worship better. My advice is take your problem with you; take your enemy with you into the presence of the King. Don’t let the enemy keep you out of the presence of the King take it with you.
Sid: I’m looking at your 12 protocols of the palace and I’m looking at the 12th and I know you know that by heart; talk about that.
Tommy: One night with the King changes everything. Never underestimate the potential of one prayer; one song; one sermon; one book; one encounter; one word. One word whether it’s a word I spoke, Sid Roth spoke or the Holy Spirit spoke as we were talking to people about Purim. Purim is about overcoming your enemy and that enemy is exactly what this is all about.
Sid: Okay, there’s someone listening to us right now and they’re saying “Here’s where the rubber meets the road I have got to hear from God; I have got to have my encounter with God; I have got to have an answer to this question.” What would you say to them on this day Purim?
Tommy: Learn to worship; okay Esther sat at a banquet table looking at the King and Haman at the same banquet table. Conventional wisdom would have said “Don’t bring Haman to this private banquet, get the King off by yourself.” And some people say “I could worship if I didn’t have the problem. The wisdom of Esther at Purim was she learned to worship with the King with the enemy at the same table. And that’s exactly what some of the people need to do.4 Learn to worship even though a problem is presence in their life worship anyway. “Thou prepareth a table before me in the presence of my enemy.” You know I’ve got to hear a little bit of your wife singing the theme song from your new movie. Would you play that right now.
Sid: And I’m going to tell you something; I believe that when you start listening to Freddy Hayler’s music; but even before I play another anointed selection from his “Song of Angels” Freddy your wife Annie whose very prophetic wanted you to go to Pavarotti concert tell me about that.
Freddy: Well way back in 1988 Pavarotti was appearing at the Orange County, or the Orlando Civic Center. It was $500 a seat, and we didn’t have the money at the time we were just newly married. So we basically needed a miracle, and she called up and asked the lady who was in charge of the tickets could we have $500 seats for free and she said “My husband I think can sing like Pavarotti,” even though she just said that by faith. She said “Oh he’s a tenor, well I just had a cancellation, I’ll tell you what since he’s a tenor well let you have both seats for $50.”
Sid: That is amazing that they offered that to you! Okay but go ahead.
Freddy: I went and I had nothing to expect; I didn’t know who Pavarotti was; I didn’t know that kind of singing. And I sat there and listened to Puccini songs and the Heavenly sounds that he was making and with the beautiful arrangements. I just started to cry and I noticed that the executive for Sun Trust Bank and his wife were next to me and were wondering shy 2 young kids were sitting next to them but. (Laughing) They were in the VIP seats and they were crying and everybody was just moved by his voice. And the Lord just spoke to me as I sat there and said “I’m going to give you a voice like Pavarotti but instead of singing the opera arias, I’m going to have you sing the arias of Heaven.
Sid: So after you heard this from God an amazing door opened for you where you got voice lessons from one of the best opera teachers on the planet.
Freddy: Yeah, amazingly you know I was given this opportunity to train with Jerome Hines who is the most storied singer at the Metropolitan Opera, and also Franco Corelli. They trained me in the Apaseo Corelli technique. Which is what Crusoe, Stephnelico, Delmonico and Pavarotti and all the great tenors use. including Andre Bocelli. And so I was like wow this is great to learn this technique. And it’s a very secret technique it’s almost like hidden from most people.
Sid: What did they say about your voice; these world renowned teachers?
Freddy: Yes, my first teacher Ken Smith when he heard my voice he said “That is truly a gift of God; that is pure gold in the Italian tamra and it’s a miracle you have that voice. It’s like Crusoe,” so he was very excited you know when he heard me sing. Jerome Hine’s wrote a note and said “To the most Bella of OJ on the planet.” I mean he wrote this most beautiful note and it was very kind of him. He sang opposite Domingo; Demers; Pavarotti all of them. And he said he thought that my voice was the most beautiful tenor voice and right up there with the greatest he had ever heard and it was amazing that he would say that.
Sid: And then after you got trained you had a conflict; you could have used your voice for God or you could have used your voice for the world. And in addition to the conflict you and Annie were living on rice’s and beans. (Laughing)
Freddy: (Laughing) Well, it was a hard decision we really needed the money and they were offering me at the time $20,000 a night to sing and that was for starts.
Sid: Well, that’s pretty good for finishes but…
Freddy: It was a temptation brother; you know when you’re eating rice and beans and really you know it was really a temptation and I said “No, I’m going to believe God for a miracle. Somehow He’s going to open the door as He promised that I would sing the arias of Heaven.” And then about 2 weeks after that when I said “No,” finally and it was a final no to the people calling me to sing in the opera I got a call from Provident Records they wanted to record me singing the great hymns of the church with the London Symphony Orchestra, the greatest symphony of the world.
Sid: Now let me ask you this; “I hear a young female singing with you and it’s such an innocent voice; it’s such a pure voice who is that sings with you on some songs?
Freddy: Well, that’s my precious daughter Rebecca she was 12 at the time and she’s just amazing she and she is a worshiper and an intercessor and she loves God. And she has this voice genetically I guess she’s got her daddy’s voice and I’m sure she’s happy with not that her mother’s voice is bad. But she’s definitely got my voice and it’s kind of like just the same tambra and color of my voice which really makes it a nice blending sound.
Sid: It’s so peaceful the blending of your two voices. Let’s play a selection of both of you from “Healing Prayer” tell me about that song.
Freddy: Well, it’s a beautiful famous song that God’s basically leads people into a calm and peaceful spirit of majesty. And in prayer we adapted it to make it a healing prayer for spirit, soul and body.
Sid: Listen if someone is healed spirit, soul and body they are healed. Let’s hear “Healing Prayer.”
Excerpt “Healing Prayer”
Sid: Okay from Song of Angels “Healing Prayer.” Freddy tell me about… so many people are having such peace they sleep better; tell me about one.
Freddy: Well, there was this mother whose daughter had been on all these psychotropic sleeping pills and drugs to try to go to sleep at night. She had fear I don’t know if she had picked them up from watching stuff on the cable that she shouldn’t have been, or satellite, or you know video games or… but she couldn’t sleep and she was afraid and she was afraid and she had insomnia and almost incurable an very much bringing the whole family down. And she began to at night she… well she ordered “Song of Angels” album and she began to play them at night. And as she played them the atmosphere of the room changed and she said “That she could actually see the glory of God on the ceiling of the room as the child slept; she felt demonic oppression lose.” And the child supernaturally I think in 2 days she started falling asleep at a regular hour and not waking up all night for 8 or 9 hours.
Sid: There is a catalyst coming to the church; we’re told about in the book of Romans. And “Paul said that if it was a blessing the Jewish people rejected their Messiah how much greater blessing when the Jewish people receive their Messiah; it will be literally life from the dead.” And God’s about ready to release this life; this amazing glory into the church as He’s removing the spiritual scales from the Jewish people. But unfortunately most Christians are not sharing the gospel with Jewish people; they think Jewish people aren’t interested. Well, you are wrong, wrong, wrong God is moving by His Spirit because He wants that One New Man formed. Because the Bible says Paul says in Ephesians the 2nd Chapter “The reason Jesus came is to break down that middle wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles to form the One New Man.” The complete Body of Jesus. That’s exactly what Jesus was praying about in John 17:20-22. And He said, He was talking to Jewish people He said “I have other sheep that will come to believe through you report.” And that’s why Paul says in Romans that “We owe a debt of gratitude to the Jewish people,” because we spread that report. It says “Salvation is of the Jew.” But then Jesus said “I pray that these two folds of sheep; the Jews and the Gentiles would become one.” And what will happen when these 2 become 1? You can see why the devil has tried to keep that middle wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles to stop us from becoming 1. Because Jesus said “When those 2 become 1 it will be a sign that will cause the world to believe.” And then in the next verse He says “And I will pour the same glory that is on Me on them.” Are you ready for the same glory that is on the Messiah to be poured in your congregation? I have my sister Shirley and brother-in-law Marc on the telephone who have immigrated, made Aliyah, to Israel. And they’re both Messianic Jews and we have found out how my sister Shirley became a believer in the Messiah. We found out that my brother-in-law Marc accepted the Lord; thought he was hypnotized; renounced his faith even though my sister became a Messianic Jew. That was okay with him but he didn’t need Jesus; and then one day a tragedy hit their home. His little daughter 21 month old Cheryl Ann was fished out of swimming pool in their back yard. What happened to next Marc.
Marc: Okay, we tried to revive her we called ambulance service they came out; and they took her to the hospital and we went to the hospital. And we didn’t know what to do. I remember Sid you came to the hospital also. We were crying and they did everything they could.
Sid: I was praying for Cheryl Ann to come back to life, I remember that.
Marc: Yes and you were led by the Lord you said to go in to see her. When you returned I know I was with Shirley and we were crying our hearts out in another room. And you went in and you were praying for her and the Lord gave you a vision and you came back and shared that with us. And you said the “The Lord told you that He has Cheryl Ann with Him now and He is taking care of her. And of course we didn’t understand totally what that meant. But later that evening I remember praying and asking the Lord to show me what this is all about.
Sid: Now Shirley who was the weaker of the two of you she was bearing up pretty good with this horrible tragedy but you were really coming apart. I remember Marc.
Marc: Oh yes I could not stop crying, it was just… words cannot describe it. I felt like the world was coming to an end in my life.
Sid: I remember going into the bedroom of your house.
Sid: And saying “This is your time to know the Messiah, you need Him Marc you can’t handle it by yourself. Shirley has the Messiah, you need the Messiah can I pray with you?” and you said yes.
Marc: I remember that yes; and it was powerful and that’s what led me into opening up the scripture and finding God’s word for me at that time. And from that point my life changed completely from one of just eating, sleeping, going to work. To one in knowing that there is something more to life than eating, sleeping and working.
Sid: Marc I wonder if you would put your wife my sister Shirley on right now.
Sid: Hi Shirley, I remember something this is all causing a lot of my memories to be churned as you’re sharing this with me. At the time you now have 3 sons, but at the time you had one son when Cheryl Ann died. And his name is Brian and I remember Brian saying something that was very profound; do you remember that?
Shirley: Yes, I know what you’re talking about. We were driving along in the car and Brian was saying…this was after it happened and Brian was saying to us “We’re a bigger family now.” And I turned to him and said “No honey we’re a smaller family now.” And he said “No, we’re a big family, we have God in our family.” And that just spoke so…
Sid: How old was he at the time?
Shirley: He was 5 years old.
Shirley: When that happened; how God speaks through children.
Sid: Well, I’m going to tell you something Mishpochah it’s been many years you retired as a school teacher in Montgomery County, and you’re husband retired for many years as a CPA accountant. He was with United States customs. Your credible people; you have 3 sons, two are married now and you have grandchildren. You’re financially independent; you can look forward to some of the most wonderful years of your life. And all of a sudden Shirley you had a dream; tell me about it.
Shirley: Well, first of all I have to tell you that I never remembered my dreams; I might remember a little piece of it here and there but this was the first dream I ever had that I remembered the entire dream. And it was so real to me it was like I was living it. The dream started off with Marc turning to me saying “Shirley, we have to go to Israel.” And I said “Fine, we can go maybe in a year from now we’ll sell our house; we’ll cash in all our stock and bonds our annuities we’ve been saving all our lives for retirement for. And then we’ll go to Israel. And he said “No Shirley we have to go now!” And I said, “Can’t we wait six months at least we can sell our house and go with a little money?” He turns to me and says “No, Shirley we have to go now!” And I started getting really anxious in the dream and we went through this 3 times in the dream and each time I got more and more anxious. And then Marc turns to me and says “Shirley, we put our trust in God and not in our money.” And something in my spirit clicked in the dream and I said “You’re right I was trusting our money more than God.” And then we each took one suitcase and we held hands and we went running to the airplane and I looked behind me and I saw fires behind me; I saw rioting going on behind me and I knew our lives were in danger like I was running and I knew someone was chasing me and they wanted to kill me. I was running with all my might and just got on the last plane out of the United States to Israel. I woke up from that dream huffing and puffing like I had really just run that race and I realized…
Sid: I realized we’re out of time.
Shirley: Oh dear.
Sid: We’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: I’m talking a bit this week about something that God has been doing with me lately. That’s one of the most wonderful things that I’ve done short of receiving Messiah. And that is spending time with God every morning. And I am finding such supernatural favor as I’m doing this; I am finding I am hearing God’s voice clearer than I’ve ever heard God’s voice before. And by the way I was sharing my testimony and one of the things I do is I thank God for what He rescued me from. The more you listen and when you get a hold of my testimony book “There Must Be Something More” you’ll see to him who has forgiven much He loves much.
You know I’ve never understood a backslider because I know what’s back there. At least when you read my book you’ll know what’s back there. You see I got involved in a New Age meditation course. I did something I wasn’t proud of I left my wife; I left my daughter, I left my job. I went in search for money or happiness for whatever this would be. Things got worse not better and by the end of about a year after being involved in a New Age Meditation course.
I had a free office, I thought my powers were giving that to me but no it was this Christian man who heard from God and God told him to come to see me and to offer me that free office; so they could have me in that office to pray for me. Now I come from a traditional Jewish background; I was interested in Jesus minus zero. I had no spiritual interest although I was raised in a good traditional Jewish family. But then one day one of the owners of the company that was giving me the free rent came to me and he read from the Deuteronomy the 18th chapter verse 9-12. And all of these things that God called abomination New Age things I was involved in. You can’t turn on television or go to the movie theater without seeing some of these snuck in. I remember there were nuns and priests involved in these New Age classes that I was in; they couldn’t be that bad. And besides that no rabbi ever told me not to do it. Sure enough in my own Torah, in my own Jewish Scriptures God called it an abomination. And so I thought that just in case the Scriptures were from God. See I wasn’t even sure that the Scriptures were from God at that point in my life. I am going to stop being involved in this power that I’m tapped into through the New Age and I’m just going to start reading the Scriptures and think for myself. And the more I read it the more I became convinced that what I was involved in was not good. In fact, I used to have the ability of grabbing a dictionary and just opening it at random and getting a message sort of like a Ouija Board and I would grab at random and write the first word down then open it at random and write the second word down. Before I knew it I had an intelligent sentence and this was what the sentence was. I was using a dictionary remember, “Refrain from this sinful book.” I mean I just threw that book down. I said “Oh, what’s going on?” I’m going to get out of here. So I went for a drive then I found myself in front of a secular book store the biggest one in town. When I went into this book store the biggest section was the New Age section. And I thought, this is getting too much and I looked at the titles of the books in the New Age section and I found a book it was almost as if it was written for me. It was called the “Jew, the Bible and the Supernatural.” I’m Jewish, I’m starting to read the Bible I’m into the supernatural. Written by McCandlish Phillips; they made a mistake at this bookstore, it’s a Christian book but they stuck it in the New Age section. That same Deuteronomy 18 it talks about but they had a new slant that my Christian friends had shown me. This is what this book shows; it shows that Jewish people are under a covenant with God. If anyone is involved in a New Age they suffer consequences. But when a Jewish person is involved in New Age they suffer more consequences because we should know more because we’re under a covenant with God. Whether we understand the covenant or not God must honor this covenant. And then he proceeds to list famous people that had lost their life for being in the New Age. Things that I was doing, things that everyone I knew were into. I mean going to fortunetellers; séances; talking about this like reincarnation; being involved in all sorts of Eastern exercise. I mean this is acceptable stuff; the 10 Commandments aren’t acceptable. But the religion of the devil is totally acceptable in our society. I mean I understand about this group of young Jewish men that the New Testament said “Turn the world upside down.” This world needs to be turned upside down.
So I went into the store and I got the book and I started reading it and one Jew after another was doing the same things that I was doing. Except the Jews when they’re involved; let me give you an example. My hero at the time was a Rock Group from England it was called the Beatles. Remember them? What you don’t remember is the all went to the Himalayas. They all were into investigating New Age things. One even said “He was more popular than Jesus Christ.” That was before any of them died but at that time only one of the entire group died that was involved in New Age things. Guess which one; the manager. The Jewish manager Brian Epstein my hero; he had everything that I thought could bring happiness. Of course I was wrong and he was dead.
Then at that point I had been involved in something that major universities are studying today and proving to be true. Russia has been using this for years it’s call astro-projection. It’s where your spirit leaves your body. And those that think that this is some wacko thing unfortunately it’s not. And I started branching into it. And just as I started branching into this a friend of mine said “Be very careful of this when this happens because you may get lost and not find yourself back in your body. And I had the most gross thoughts. I saw myself being buried alive. I mean I saw myself I mean it’s so horrible I can’t even talk about it. I remember when the telephone would ring I would tremble. I mean I was afraid of anything and everything. I even despaired of living. And let me tell you something “I didn’t want to die; do you remember that young kid of 8 years old that was trying to imagine what it would be like to cease to exist. Oh, I thought it was so objectionable that I’m not going to think about it because there is something in me that wants to be eternal. That does not want to cease to exist; well I never thought it was possible. I was a self-made person; I was an independent thinker; I could do anything that I would set my mind on. But I reached a point where death looked more appealing to me than life. And I didn’t want to live. And I remember the worst do of my life; I went home to my apartment. I was separated from my wife as I said. My wife Joy was raised Southern Baptist. In college she became an agnostic. When we got married I insisted that she convert to Orthodox Judaism. So you might say she was a Southern Baptist agnostic Orthodox Jew that did not know Jesus, but I thought every Christian knew Jesus. So I called my wife on the phone. And I said “I wasn’t going to explain it to her that my spirit’s leaving my body; I’m hearing voices; I mean she’d think I was mashuga you know crazy.” But I said “Joy it’s bad, pray for me good bye.” I hung up and she hung up. And you know what even though she was an agnostic for the first time in many many years she got down on her knees and prayed for me. I didn’t care whether I lived or died; I had a mezuzah I went out and bought it. To put in a mezuzah there is a little medallion that has scripture inside. I put it around my neck; I had a Bible at that time because I was reading. I’d seen enough movies about vampires I needed some help from the spirit realm. I was convinced that this spirit within me was a demon. I mean like I said “It was too much for me to handle.” Every one of us has a breaking point. I had that breaking point. And I cried out a two word prayer. It wasn’t a real classic prayer; I’d actually prayed a classic prayer. About a week earlier I had something called the 5 spiritual laws and I read through it and I expected something spectacular to happen like happened in the New Age. When it didn’t happen I wasn’t going to tell anyone that I prayed that prayer. But I’ll tell you I was so desperate; so desperate I didn’t know what I believed; I didn’t know what I didn’t believe. And I was told that there was a Name that was greater than the one that was trying to pull me apart and destroy my wife and destroy my daughter and destroy everything about me. And I prayed this two word prayer “Jesus help.” And I went to sleep and I didn’t care whether I lived or died. The next morning I woke up and the first thing I noticed was an absence of fear. I went to bed so fearful I wanted to die; and when I woke up I can’t tell you where it went but I can tell you it went. That fear was gone; and the next thing I realized is I am feeling such peace. Now I’ve never been into drugs in my life. I’ve never been an alcoholic, but I don’t believe drugs or alcohol could match what happened to me. I was so filled with the peace of God. The Shalom of God I couldn’t worry if I wanted to. And then I heard the audible voice of God for the first time of my life. And He said “Return to your wife and daughter.” Now I had a pretty bad marriage; I didn’t want to do it but I was so grateful I’d do anything for God.
We’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast Mishpochah
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to participate in the rapture. Now I have Perry Stone on the phone. He has spent 80,000 hours researching the Bible now I’m not saying researching the New Testament I mean the Bible which is Genesis to Revelation. He has put together 7 DVD’s, it’s set. It’s really a school on the book the only book in the Bible that says that “If you remove one word from this particular book your name will be taken out of the book of life. The only book in the Bible that says that there’s a particular blessing in hearing this book.” And Perry Stone I believe that if there ever been a time that the true believers in the Messiah must understand the future things that are going to happen based on the book of Revelation and the other books of the entire Bible it’s now. On yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about a very controversial issue. Most people don’t even want to talk about it because it is so controversial and that is the time of the catching away, or as it’s referred to the rapture. In your opinion, when will this be in reference to the tribulation; in reference to the pouring out of God’s wrath?
Perry: I think most people we would classify Evangelical believers have an understanding that Daniel 9:27 predicts 7 years of time. And in that midst of that 7 years a man that is coming breaks a treaty in the middle of the 7. You can see that clearly in the book of Revelation; the man that breaks the treaty is called the beast rising up out of the sea Revelation 13:1. And he’s better known as the antichrist. He breaks the treaty; in our Bible it’s listed in chapter 13 which chronologically according to the timing of the book of Revelation is the middle of the tribulation. And that correlates with Daniel 9:27. Now people have asked me for years pre-trib means at some point before the breaking of the 7 sealed book in the book of Revelation the saints are in heaven before the tribulation begins. Mid-trib would put the catching away at either chapter 11, 12 and 13 which all of that is around the timeframe of the middle. That’s called mid-trib, others believe in what’s called post trib. Post-trib means end of or the conclusion of something. So post-trib would be I call it the U-turn theory it’s Revelation 19. At the end of the tribulation where were caught up; we go to heaven where we immediately do a U-turn get on horses and come back down to earth. And some just basically that the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom at the end and that’s the end of it. So the beginning of, the middle of and the end of the tribulation. Now let me explain to you 3 quick reasons why I believe in what’s called pre-trib. Point number 1 the book of Revelation is basically in a chronological order; now John will jump from heaven back to earth; under the earth and back to heaven. And you hath to recognize that in the study. That’s the reason Apocalypse Code is good because it explains in detail the order of things. And John is here one minute and there the next. Because John is seeing in 3 worlds at one time. Now you have to understand that, but concerning the timing; notice that the church is mentioned chapter 2 and 3. And John is told show or write about the things that were, things, that are and things that shall be. The things that were is chapter 1 he saw Christ as the High Priest; the things that are, are the churches of Asia that he could address the messages to 7 churches. The things that shall be are future tense. Past the church age in other words. The church age in the New Testament is called the “Dispensation of the Grace of God.” So we are dispensing to the world through the grace of God the message of grace, mercy, forgiveness and covenant. When that season comes to a conclusion there will be a catching up of the overcoming church. Now when I say overcomers he said 7 times to the overcomers. To the overcomer, to the overcomer, to the overcomer…. An overcomer is someone who follows the Lord and has a covenant with Christ and is looking for Him to return doing His will on the earth that’s the overcomer, basic definition of the overcomer. Now back to the timing of the rapture. Chapter 3 last verse is the last word to the church; chapter 4 verse 1 “After these things I heard a voice like a trumpet saying ‘Come up here.’” Now when the Lord returns He comes with the voice of the Archangel and the trump of God. At some point at the rapture we will hear “Come up here.” And there will be the sound of the trumpet and immediately we will be in heaven that quick. That’s what happened to John, chapter 4 verse 1 and 2. I believe that this is the imagery that John saw of the churches appearance before the heavenly throne room. Now let’s go forward and show this; in the mid-trib in Revelation 11:18 says “Now has come time to judge the saints, the prophets and those that fear His name. That is known as the bema or the judgment seat of Christ. It is mentioned by Paul in Corinthians; it’s mentioned by Paul in Romans. We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ to receive rewards for things for which we did. And we can gain a crown or we can lose a crown based on did we do the work of God that He called us to do. Now that happens in chapter 11 which happens to be the middle of the tribulation period. Chronologically it’s there you can’t deny it. A person who studies the book can’t deny it. That means the church is in heaven chapter 11. Now some would say that’s a pre-trib catching away. No you see the multitude in chapter 4 and another multitude coming out of tribulation in chapter 7 so you see this multitude standing around the throne of God worshiping God singing “Worthy is the Lamb that has redeemed us.” So now we come now to Revelation 19 the marriage supper of the Lamb. Now under in the Torah when a man and woman married the Bible says in Deuteronomy they were given one year off to get to know each other and the man could not go to war for one year. Now I believe as the tribulation is going on on earth it starts at the breaking of the first seal and then sixth year of it is when mystery Babylon is destroyed in chapter 17:18. I believe that the marriage supper in heaven is one year long and here’s why. God worked 6 days on the 7 day he rested. On certain feasts of Israel you had a season of complete rest during that feast. Some feasts went on days; you had Passover and unleavened bread; first fruits. Which are all through a 7 days and then you have tabernacles which is 7 days. So here’s my point I believe the marriage supper is just a supper and then go back to earth and rule. I believe we really celebrate for an entire year. Because the Bible says that there remains there for a rest for God’s people. And when Paul used that word rest in Hebrews it is the Greek word for a Sabbath’s rest. So God rested on the 7th day; you know there was a Jubilee law you know this that every 6 years you work and on the 7th year you rested and the land rested. There’s your principal up in heaven. Six year tribulation while the tribulation is going on the 7th year on earth we’re in heaven with marriage supper of the Lamb for that period of time.
Sid: Perry how does this, just briefly how does this tie in with ancient Jewish wedding?
Perry: Well, one of the things that intrigued me years ago Sid is that when we reenacted with 100 cast members the entire Jewish wedding based on all the evidence that you can find from historical sources the Jewish sources. What I found out that was intriguing to me is in the time of Christ and in the old time. Sampson, if you read the story of Sampson in Judges for 7 days he gave a riddle and at the end of 7 days they told the riddle and it was a wedding. And then in the New Testament they ran out of wine in John chapter 2 and the reason they did is because the celebration went on for 7 straight days. And when I started realizing that the number 7 is connected to the ancient Jewish wedding and how the saints or the church who is the bride of Christ; He is bridegroom and we’re the bride will be caught up to meet Him in the air, and the parables bear this out. And then 7 days that you read about in ancient Jewish wedding can represent the 7 years that we’re in heaven with the bridegroom. And there is a law in the Bible where Israel doubted the Lord; the 10 spies did for 40 days and God made them wander a year for every day that they doubted. You know the prophet of God laid on one side for 300 and some days representing 300 and some years that Israel was in disobedience and the 40 years that Judah was in disobedience He did 40 days. So there’s a year exchange that can be found in scripture. So using that principal if the Jewish wedding was 7 days in length which it was; then the tribulation is 7 years on earth so it would be 7 years in heaven. And that’s really you could go into the 7 sealed book and how there had to be 7 witnesses that originally put…
Sid: Real quick because I’m real curious 1 or 2 sentences. Who are the 144,000 witnesses?
Perry: They definitely in Revelation 14 are Jewish men. They’re virgin men; they never been married and during the first part of tribulation they are sealed by the seal of God.
Sid: Did you ever tell a Jehovah Witness that? I’m just teaching go ahead. (Laughing)
Sid: They preached that for years until they got 144,000 and 1 members and what do you do with that.
Perry: They were find until they had less than 144,000…
Sid: I’m sorry Perry, I’m sorry Mishpochah we’re out of time again.