Sid: I’m talking a bit this week about something that God has been doing with me lately. That’s one of the most wonderful things that I’ve done short of receiving Messiah. And that is spending time with God every morning. And I am finding such supernatural favor as I’m doing this; I am finding I am hearing God’s voice clearer than I’ve ever heard God’s voice before. And by the way I was sharing my testimony and one of the things I do is I thank God for what He rescued me from. The more you listen and when you get a hold of my testimony book “There Must Be Something More” you’ll see to him who has forgiven much He loves much.
You know I’ve never understood a backslider because I know what’s back there. At least when you read my book you’ll know what’s back there. You see I got involved in a New Age meditation course. I did something I wasn’t proud of I left my wife; I left my daughter, I left my job. I went in search for money or happiness for whatever this would be. Things got worse not better and by the end of about a year after being involved in a New Age Meditation course.
I had a free office, I thought my powers were giving that to me but no it was this Christian man who heard from God and God told him to come to see me and to offer me that free office; so they could have me in that office to pray for me. Now I come from a traditional Jewish background; I was interested in Jesus minus zero. I had no spiritual interest although I was raised in a good traditional Jewish family. But then one day one of the owners of the company that was giving me the free rent came to me and he read from the Deuteronomy the 18th chapter verse 9-12. And all of these things that God called abomination New Age things I was involved in. You can’t turn on television or go to the movie theater without seeing some of these snuck in. I remember there were nuns and priests involved in these New Age classes that I was in; they couldn’t be that bad. And besides that no rabbi ever told me not to do it. Sure enough in my own Torah, in my own Jewish Scriptures God called it an abomination. And so I thought that just in case the Scriptures were from God. See I wasn’t even sure that the Scriptures were from God at that point in my life. I am going to stop being involved in this power that I’m tapped into through the New Age and I’m just going to start reading the Scriptures and think for myself. And the more I read it the more I became convinced that what I was involved in was not good. In fact, I used to have the ability of grabbing a dictionary and just opening it at random and getting a message sort of like a Ouija Board and I would grab at random and write the first word down then open it at random and write the second word down. Before I knew it I had an intelligent sentence and this was what the sentence was. I was using a dictionary remember, “Refrain from this sinful book.” I mean I just threw that book down. I said “Oh, what’s going on?” I’m going to get out of here. So I went for a drive then I found myself in front of a secular book store the biggest one in town. When I went into this book store the biggest section was the New Age section. And I thought, this is getting too much and I looked at the titles of the books in the New Age section and I found a book it was almost as if it was written for me. It was called the “Jew, the Bible and the Supernatural.” I’m Jewish, I’m starting to read the Bible I’m into the supernatural. Written by McCandlish Phillips; they made a mistake at this bookstore, it’s a Christian book but they stuck it in the New Age section. That same Deuteronomy 18 it talks about but they had a new slant that my Christian friends had shown me. This is what this book shows; it shows that Jewish people are under a covenant with God. If anyone is involved in a New Age they suffer consequences. But when a Jewish person is involved in New Age they suffer more consequences because we should know more because we’re under a covenant with God. Whether we understand the covenant or not God must honor this covenant. And then he proceeds to list famous people that had lost their life for being in the New Age. Things that I was doing, things that everyone I knew were into. I mean going to fortunetellers; séances; talking about this like reincarnation; being involved in all sorts of Eastern exercise. I mean this is acceptable stuff; the 10 Commandments aren’t acceptable. But the religion of the devil is totally acceptable in our society. I mean I understand about this group of young Jewish men that the New Testament said “Turn the world upside down.” This world needs to be turned upside down.
So I went into the store and I got the book and I started reading it and one Jew after another was doing the same things that I was doing. Except the Jews when they’re involved; let me give you an example. My hero at the time was a Rock Group from England it was called the Beatles. Remember them? What you don’t remember is the all went to the Himalayas. They all were into investigating New Age things. One even said “He was more popular than Jesus Christ.” That was before any of them died but at that time only one of the entire group died that was involved in New Age things. Guess which one; the manager. The Jewish manager Brian Epstein my hero; he had everything that I thought could bring happiness. Of course I was wrong and he was dead.
Then at that point I had been involved in something that major universities are studying today and proving to be true. Russia has been using this for years it’s call astro-projection. It’s where your spirit leaves your body. And those that think that this is some wacko thing unfortunately it’s not. And I started branching into it. And just as I started branching into this a friend of mine said “Be very careful of this when this happens because you may get lost and not find yourself back in your body. And I had the most gross thoughts. I saw myself being buried alive. I mean I saw myself I mean it’s so horrible I can’t even talk about it. I remember when the telephone would ring I would tremble. I mean I was afraid of anything and everything. I even despaired of living. And let me tell you something “I didn’t want to die; do you remember that young kid of 8 years old that was trying to imagine what it would be like to cease to exist. Oh, I thought it was so objectionable that I’m not going to think about it because there is something in me that wants to be eternal. That does not want to cease to exist; well I never thought it was possible. I was a self-made person; I was an independent thinker; I could do anything that I would set my mind on. But I reached a point where death looked more appealing to me than life. And I didn’t want to live. And I remember the worst do of my life; I went home to my apartment. I was separated from my wife as I said. My wife Joy was raised Southern Baptist. In college she became an agnostic. When we got married I insisted that she convert to Orthodox Judaism. So you might say she was a Southern Baptist agnostic Orthodox Jew that did not know Jesus, but I thought every Christian knew Jesus. So I called my wife on the phone. And I said “I wasn’t going to explain it to her that my spirit’s leaving my body; I’m hearing voices; I mean she’d think I was mashuga you know crazy.” But I said “Joy it’s bad, pray for me good bye.” I hung up and she hung up. And you know what even though she was an agnostic for the first time in many many years she got down on her knees and prayed for me. I didn’t care whether I lived or died; I had a mezuzah I went out and bought it. To put in a mezuzah there is a little medallion that has scripture inside. I put it around my neck; I had a Bible at that time because I was reading. I’d seen enough movies about vampires I needed some help from the spirit realm. I was convinced that this spirit within me was a demon. I mean like I said “It was too much for me to handle.” Every one of us has a breaking point. I had that breaking point. And I cried out a two word prayer. It wasn’t a real classic prayer; I’d actually prayed a classic prayer. About a week earlier I had something called the 5 spiritual laws and I read through it and I expected something spectacular to happen like happened in the New Age. When it didn’t happen I wasn’t going to tell anyone that I prayed that prayer. But I’ll tell you I was so desperate; so desperate I didn’t know what I believed; I didn’t know what I didn’t believe. And I was told that there was a Name that was greater than the one that was trying to pull me apart and destroy my wife and destroy my daughter and destroy everything about me. And I prayed this two word prayer “Jesus help.” And I went to sleep and I didn’t care whether I lived or died. The next morning I woke up and the first thing I noticed was an absence of fear. I went to bed so fearful I wanted to die; and when I woke up I can’t tell you where it went but I can tell you it went. That fear was gone; and the next thing I realized is I am feeling such peace. Now I’ve never been into drugs in my life. I’ve never been an alcoholic, but I don’t believe drugs or alcohol could match what happened to me. I was so filled with the peace of God. The Shalom of God I couldn’t worry if I wanted to. And then I heard the audible voice of God for the first time of my life. And He said “Return to your wife and daughter.” Now I had a pretty bad marriage; I didn’t want to do it but I was so grateful I’d do anything for God.
We’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast Mishpochah
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to participate in the rapture. Now I have Perry Stone on the phone. He has spent 80,000 hours researching the Bible now I’m not saying researching the New Testament I mean the Bible which is Genesis to Revelation. He has put together 7 DVD’s, it’s set. It’s really a school on the book the only book in the Bible that says that “If you remove one word from this particular book your name will be taken out of the book of life. The only book in the Bible that says that there’s a particular blessing in hearing this book.” And Perry Stone I believe that if there ever been a time that the true believers in the Messiah must understand the future things that are going to happen based on the book of Revelation and the other books of the entire Bible it’s now. On yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about a very controversial issue. Most people don’t even want to talk about it because it is so controversial and that is the time of the catching away, or as it’s referred to the rapture. In your opinion, when will this be in reference to the tribulation; in reference to the pouring out of God’s wrath?
Perry: I think most people we would classify Evangelical believers have an understanding that Daniel 9:27 predicts 7 years of time. And in that midst of that 7 years a man that is coming breaks a treaty in the middle of the 7. You can see that clearly in the book of Revelation; the man that breaks the treaty is called the beast rising up out of the sea Revelation 13:1. And he’s better known as the antichrist. He breaks the treaty; in our Bible it’s listed in chapter 13 which chronologically according to the timing of the book of Revelation is the middle of the tribulation. And that correlates with Daniel 9:27. Now people have asked me for years pre-trib means at some point before the breaking of the 7 sealed book in the book of Revelation the saints are in heaven before the tribulation begins. Mid-trib would put the catching away at either chapter 11, 12 and 13 which all of that is around the timeframe of the middle. That’s called mid-trib, others believe in what’s called post trib. Post-trib means end of or the conclusion of something. So post-trib would be I call it the U-turn theory it’s Revelation 19. At the end of the tribulation where were caught up; we go to heaven where we immediately do a U-turn get on horses and come back down to earth. And some just basically that the Lord returns and sets up His kingdom at the end and that’s the end of it. So the beginning of, the middle of and the end of the tribulation. Now let me explain to you 3 quick reasons why I believe in what’s called pre-trib. Point number 1 the book of Revelation is basically in a chronological order; now John will jump from heaven back to earth; under the earth and back to heaven. And you hath to recognize that in the study. That’s the reason Apocalypse Code is good because it explains in detail the order of things. And John is here one minute and there the next. Because John is seeing in 3 worlds at one time. Now you have to understand that, but concerning the timing; notice that the church is mentioned chapter 2 and 3. And John is told show or write about the things that were, things, that are and things that shall be. The things that were is chapter 1 he saw Christ as the High Priest; the things that are, are the churches of Asia that he could address the messages to 7 churches. The things that shall be are future tense. Past the church age in other words. The church age in the New Testament is called the “Dispensation of the Grace of God.” So we are dispensing to the world through the grace of God the message of grace, mercy, forgiveness and covenant. When that season comes to a conclusion there will be a catching up of the overcoming church. Now when I say overcomers he said 7 times to the overcomers. To the overcomer, to the overcomer, to the overcomer…. An overcomer is someone who follows the Lord and has a covenant with Christ and is looking for Him to return doing His will on the earth that’s the overcomer, basic definition of the overcomer. Now back to the timing of the rapture. Chapter 3 last verse is the last word to the church; chapter 4 verse 1 “After these things I heard a voice like a trumpet saying ‘Come up here.’” Now when the Lord returns He comes with the voice of the Archangel and the trump of God. At some point at the rapture we will hear “Come up here.” And there will be the sound of the trumpet and immediately we will be in heaven that quick. That’s what happened to John, chapter 4 verse 1 and 2. I believe that this is the imagery that John saw of the churches appearance before the heavenly throne room. Now let’s go forward and show this; in the mid-trib in Revelation 11:18 says “Now has come time to judge the saints, the prophets and those that fear His name. That is known as the bema or the judgment seat of Christ. It is mentioned by Paul in Corinthians; it’s mentioned by Paul in Romans. We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ to receive rewards for things for which we did. And we can gain a crown or we can lose a crown based on did we do the work of God that He called us to do. Now that happens in chapter 11 which happens to be the middle of the tribulation period. Chronologically it’s there you can’t deny it. A person who studies the book can’t deny it. That means the church is in heaven chapter 11. Now some would say that’s a pre-trib catching away. No you see the multitude in chapter 4 and another multitude coming out of tribulation in chapter 7 so you see this multitude standing around the throne of God worshiping God singing “Worthy is the Lamb that has redeemed us.” So now we come now to Revelation 19 the marriage supper of the Lamb. Now under in the Torah when a man and woman married the Bible says in Deuteronomy they were given one year off to get to know each other and the man could not go to war for one year. Now I believe as the tribulation is going on on earth it starts at the breaking of the first seal and then sixth year of it is when mystery Babylon is destroyed in chapter 17:18. I believe that the marriage supper in heaven is one year long and here’s why. God worked 6 days on the 7 day he rested. On certain feasts of Israel you had a season of complete rest during that feast. Some feasts went on days; you had Passover and unleavened bread; first fruits. Which are all through a 7 days and then you have tabernacles which is 7 days. So here’s my point I believe the marriage supper is just a supper and then go back to earth and rule. I believe we really celebrate for an entire year. Because the Bible says that there remains there for a rest for God’s people. And when Paul used that word rest in Hebrews it is the Greek word for a Sabbath’s rest. So God rested on the 7th day; you know there was a Jubilee law you know this that every 6 years you work and on the 7th year you rested and the land rested. There’s your principal up in heaven. Six year tribulation while the tribulation is going on the 7th year on earth we’re in heaven with marriage supper of the Lamb for that period of time.
Sid: Perry how does this, just briefly how does this tie in with ancient Jewish wedding?
Perry: Well, one of the things that intrigued me years ago Sid is that when we reenacted with 100 cast members the entire Jewish wedding based on all the evidence that you can find from historical sources the Jewish sources. What I found out that was intriguing to me is in the time of Christ and in the old time. Sampson, if you read the story of Sampson in Judges for 7 days he gave a riddle and at the end of 7 days they told the riddle and it was a wedding. And then in the New Testament they ran out of wine in John chapter 2 and the reason they did is because the celebration went on for 7 straight days. And when I started realizing that the number 7 is connected to the ancient Jewish wedding and how the saints or the church who is the bride of Christ; He is bridegroom and we’re the bride will be caught up to meet Him in the air, and the parables bear this out. And then 7 days that you read about in ancient Jewish wedding can represent the 7 years that we’re in heaven with the bridegroom. And there is a law in the Bible where Israel doubted the Lord; the 10 spies did for 40 days and God made them wander a year for every day that they doubted. You know the prophet of God laid on one side for 300 and some days representing 300 and some years that Israel was in disobedience and the 40 years that Judah was in disobedience He did 40 days. So there’s a year exchange that can be found in scripture. So using that principal if the Jewish wedding was 7 days in length which it was; then the tribulation is 7 years on earth so it would be 7 years in heaven. And that’s really you could go into the 7 sealed book and how there had to be 7 witnesses that originally put…
Sid: Real quick because I’m real curious 1 or 2 sentences. Who are the 144,000 witnesses?
Perry: They definitely in Revelation 14 are Jewish men. They’re virgin men; they never been married and during the first part of tribulation they are sealed by the seal of God.
Sid: Did you ever tell a Jehovah Witness that? I’m just teaching go ahead. (Laughing)
Sid: They preached that for years until they got 144,000 and 1 members and what do you do with that.
Perry: They were find until they had less than 144,000…
Sid: I’m sorry Perry, I’m sorry Mishpochah we’re out of time again.
Sid: You’re not going to believe what I’m about ready to tell you. I met a man in Alexandria, Louisiana, Dr. David Remedios. He’s a vascular surgeon; so I got a bad report from my daughter. She needed heart surgery; we prayed and she actually had a dream and the Lord said to submit to the surgery. So she hasn’t done it yet and she’s about ready to have that surgery. So I had met Dr. Remedios in Louisiana and he told me that many times he’ll see what’s going on and God will show him how to perform surgery. Now this is my kind of doctor. My daughter’s about ready to have this heart surgery and I decided I would call him. Well as I’m talking to him I said that would you pray for my daughter? And I have on the line right now Dr. David Remedios. David do you remember what you said to me, if you don’t I remember?
David: Yes sir; I remember that; I saw a vision I saw that she was undergoing that surgery and that she was supposed to have the surgery; I believe that that was about it. And that God was doing some other things in her life at the same time if I’m not mistaken.
Sid: Very good memory; I’ll tell you you’re my kind of doctor. But you’re whole life really got tremendously transformed when one of the leaders of the revival from Argentina Claudo Freidzon, another Jewish man that’s red hot for Jesus, laid hands on you. How did your life change after he did that?
David: Well, there was an incredible increase in signs, wonders, miracles and a greater passion in my life. It literally took a different turn; it was as if God literally turned up the tiles several notches. And it’s been the most exciting walk I’ve had ever since; in ministry; with my family with my children. Even in my practice so it’s just so awesome.
Sid: Just out of curiosity did you have these like these… for instance when you were talking to me on the telephone did you see what you were describing or was it just an impression?
David: I literally saw what I was describing; I saw the inside of the heart; I saw the myocardium; the endocardium. I just saw it; that’s all I can say and I just felt “Lord what does this mean?” And the Lord just gave me what that meant and what was supposed to happen.
Sid: I am in awe of what’s supposed to happen in many different arenas, but one in particular which we’ll deal with people where their organs have grown back. I imagine that you have to be in greater awe than me; as a medical doctor.
David: Well, absolutely; there’s several things Sid that a couple of things when I face things like this. Number 1 this is totally; God is the healer. He’s the God that healeth us. And I believe that God is speaking to someone here is someone right now that he turning your situation around. Even as we speak. Brother Sid I believe with all my heart that there’s a healing anointing hearing the radio waves going everywhere. And that you’re going to get reports back and we’re going to hear about the signs; wonders ad miracles. You cannot but talk about what He does and He begins; He begin to do what we’re talking about.
Sid: Now I know what we see God doing in your ministry but what by the Spirit… paint me a picture of what God is going to be doing in the next few years in the miraculous in the United States.
David: I feel that the miraculous is going to be more common than we’ve ever seen before. It is going to become almost common place for a lack of a better term. But it’s going to be so frequent because I believe that God is about to showcase His people; His true church. Those that are walking with Him in obedience and that the heartbeat of God is souls. So people from all parts of the world from all races; from all nations; all languages He’s drawing them unto Himself. He came to heal; He came to seek and save that that was lost. He came to heal the sick; you know that’s exactly what Jesus did when He was on earth. He went about and He healed; everywhere He went and He healed. Everywhere He went He just had a ministry of healing; of restoration of building people up. I believe that the church; His children will begin to walk again in the character and the works of Jesus.
Sid: David I wanted you to just talk with me a little bit so that people would get an idea of who you were. Now I’m going to go all the way back to age 13 Bronx, New York. What was going on in your life?
David: Well, it’s a very difficult part of my life and obviously I was the oldest of 6 children, the son of Cuban immigrants. We were living up on the 6th floor in the South Bronx. And as you can well imagine Jimmy Carter declared it at that time Federal disaster zone with buildings burning up and drug abuse and all kinds of alcoholism. You name it. Everything was rampant crime; was being rampant and obviously at that same time… and within my parents there was a great battle. My mother and father obviously were undergoing a great stretch in their marriage. So as a result there was frequent violence in our home. For me as the oldest child obviously it was quite difficult; for me I was trying to help any way I could. To make a long story short my life literally came to a point where one day I literally I literally ran away from home.
Sid: Listen a 13 year old in the streets of Bronx; how did you survive, I mean on your own?
David: Were ever the night would catch me different people would take me in here and there. In the subway; in church wherever I mean. I survived the best I could; I still kept going to school, which is another miraculous thing.
Sid: Did you know the Lord at that time?
David: Yes sir I sure did and that was the place of refuge. All night prayer meetings became a common thing for me.
Sid: What was it a double duty thing; in other words it was prayer but it was also a place to stay warm.
David: Absolutely and to get fed and people would call me. They would see me walking thru and say “Won’t you come up and eat?” And I would ask that; people literally I believe God moved on the. And they knew that I was hungry and they would just feed me.
Sid: Did you find that you were even at that young age 13 in the streets directed by God to spare your life?
David: Oh, definitely. So many times I would be walking through one street and the Holy Spirit would say “Don’t walk through there.” And sure enough there would be a shootout and there would be dead people. So I had to… I had to learn to hear the voice of God because my very life depended on it. It was not about being super spiritual; it’s literally a matter of survival. And scripture says that His sheep hear His voice. And I believe that that’s about to become more common place. It’s what the Word talks about. I had to learn to live by it; but of course at a very young age. So to me it has been nothing really extraordinary but living by what the Word of God says. So my life depended on it and so it’s really been so instrumental of the rest of my life.
Sid: So how in the world does a 13 year old whose heritage is Cuban… so obviously your parents probably came with just the clothing on their back. Am I right from Cuba?
David: Yes Sir.
Sid: And now you’re on your own in the streets; just turned 13. How do you become a vascular surgeon out on the streets?
David: (Laughing) God is so awesome; that’s just a testimony. See it’s not by might; it’s not by power but by His Spirit. I thank God that He does not call the equipped but He equips whom He calls. If we receive Him and we do believe Him He’s said that He’ll done it for me. He’s no respecter of persons; that’s the beauty of this whole thing. I’m not anyone special or extraordinary. I have an extraordinary God. I was a very vulnerable young man and very common young man if anything young man. Blend in the fabric of the streets of New York but I’ve had an extraordinary awesome wonderful God who saw the desire in my heart. I always had the desire in my heart to become a doctor; I always knew that I was going to become one. It’s just at that point in time it seemed anything but possible for me to become. But yet God; I stayed in school. I was able to have the grades and I moved on. And that’s the whole… the keeping power of God because I should have been dead. I should have been…
Sid: For sure.
David: I should have been a drug addict.
Sid: David let’s hold that thought we’ll pick up here on this tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: My guest by telephone Lexington, South Carolina is William Morford. He is the translator “The Power New Testament” revealing Jewish roots. It’s the most readable alive action packed translation of the New Testament that I have ever read. I am so enjoying myself as I read this Bill. And I have to tell you even though I’m a Jewish believer in the Messiah; even though I come from a traditional Jewish background there are things that you have reveled in especially in your glossary in the back about Jewish understanding that is so necessary and vital to understand the New Testament the Jewish roots that I have never seen before. And I’m sure that it has to do with God happened to hook you up with a Rabbi who is a grandson of the man that resurrected modern day Hebrew. Actually made a number of the words up and put them together, Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, and he knew these nuggets that so few people understand. I’d like you teach some of these unique nuggets for us now Bill.
Bill: Alright, one that comes as a surprise to some is the personal greetings at the end of Romans with chapter 16 with verse 1. “And I am introducing our sister Phoebe to you since she is also a minister of the congregation in Cenchrea, so that you would welcome her in the Lord as befitting as saints and you would stand by her in whatever matters she would have need of you. For she has also become a patroness of many even of me.” And that’s what Paul wrote. And a patroness, here she’s called a servant sometimes. Well the Greek word used could be translated servant, but she’s a minister. You can tell by the way he refers to it to welcome her in the Lord as befitting the saints and you would stand by her in whatever matters she would have need of you. In other words they are to be looking out to help her to be servants to her. And of course why would you send a servant from Greece to Rome where there were thousands of tens of thousands of slaves and slaves were cheap. I mean that wouldn’t be done, but she was a minister in the congregation of Cenchrea, and she was a Patroness, that means a woman set over others. So in some way she was set over Paul. And just what her relationship was we don’t know. Because the Middle Eastern mind still is not a tuned to our western love for organization charts and such things. They did not look at a line organization, but they were apostles that were sent out from Rome. And obviously Phoebe had some authority some responsibility in the operations of taking the gospel to the heathen land.
Sid: But this so changes the understanding we see in the King James, or the modern translations. This is just an example Mishpochah and it’s all explained in his footnotes and his glossary. Give us some more illustrations.
Bill: Alright, 1st Corinthians 16 again same chapter number same verse number. “Concerning the collection for the saints as I ordered the congregation of Galatia so also must you now do. On Saturday evening at the Havdalah Service each of you must now set aside for himself from his treasuries from whatever he would have gained so that whenever I would have come so that collections would not need to be made. And when I would arrive whomever you would approve through letters I will send them to send your gift to Jerusalem. And if it would be worthwhile for me to go they will go with me.” For you know what the Havdalah Service is that at the end of the Sabbath 2 hours after sundown there is a service in the synagogue to transfer the congregation from the holy Sabbath day, the time with the Lord back to the work a day world, to going out among the heathens to work. At that service they could talk about money. See people look on this as the first day of the week.
Sid: They think that it’s the Sunday yeah.
Bill: And it is not a Sunday service this is a Saturday evening service to move from the holy time with the Lord back to the secular time of work out in the world. And that Havdalah Service is still held today in synagogues all over the world.
Sid: Again Mishpochah there is no way that you could understand this. You see how rich this Bible is. But I’m going to tell you something if the Jewish roots were not in it and you were to just read this to understand healing and the action and the Gospel’s that’s brought out in this amazing translation it would have worth it. But somehow by combining the understanding of the Jewish roots and the power and the expression that you have in the translation that you have of these powerful scriptures of what God has granted to us, the combination of the two is releasing the power.
Bill: It really is, yes. Another good one that we don’t know about is 2nd Corinthians 12:7 “And in the superiority of the relations we have on this account so that I would not exalt myself a thorn in the flesh was given to me a messenger of Satan so that he could strike me so that I would not exalt myself.” And there’s a great deal of speculation about this thorn is it a reference to some physical problem or to troublesome people. There is no way to be certain. But painful thorn is a metaphor for a menacing neighbors in Ezekiel 28:24. And the Greek word scallops translated thorn actually pointed to a sturdy pointed piece of wood a pike which upon a body could be impaled. It most likely was not a physical problem because whoever those people were or whoever they were they really got under Paul’s skin. So he refers to it as not as a little tiny rose thorn but as a plate being driven into him. And thorn is a good translation of it, but it’s not a physical thorn. We know that from Paul’s references to the false apostles who went around and exalted themselves and had letters of recommendation from one congregation to another. Paul really disliked them they and the Nicolaitanes gave Paul fits. He was really unhappy because he had to go back to those congregations again to straighten out their theology and bring correction to them.
Sid: Let’s go to Ephesians 5:25.
Bill: Alright fine that’s a good one. “Husbands you must continually love your wives just as the Messiah also loved the congregation and gave Himself over on her behalf so that He would sanctify his wife, the congregation the Bride, making her pure by washing with the word of Torah in order that He would present for Himself the glorious congregation not having spot or wrinkle or any of such things, but so that His bride would be holy and without blemish.” And there’s a footnote to that verse that water is a metaphor for Torah. And that’s taken from Isaiah 55:1 and Exodus 14:22 so that it makes it washing with the word of the Torah. And that the way that we are to take cover each other and the husband as the priest of the home has to bathe his entire household in prayer. Then coming from the scripture and quote God’s healing verses and all of God’s blessings over his household and do that on a daily basis. It’s something that we do continually. Matthew 7:7 we have Jesus speaking “You must regularly ask and it will be given to you. You must continually seek and you will find. You must knock habitually and it will be open to you. For everyone that asks takes and everyone who seeks finds and it will be open for the one that knocks. For what man is there of you that when his son will ask for bread will give him a stone, or then would ask for a fish will give over him a snake. And see we must do these things continually and regularly.”
Sid: I like your translation that says “Everyone who asks takes.”
Sid: That’s where that “Power New Testament” comes in.
Bill: Right and very often there are two different Greek words that mean take and they’re very frequently translated “Receive.”
Sid: I’ll tell you Mishpochah I’m sure you’re getting the message. Between the power that’s understood from this particular translation of the New Testament and the Jewish roots what a combination.
Sid: Now one of the tools that has crossed my hands that I saw a few years ago, but I’ve just started to get into it very deep is a New Testament. It’s called “The Power New Testament.” And this is a very very unique translation of the New Testament. I have the translator on the phone, William Morford. Some of the things that makes this unique is the Bill has studied the Jewish Roots of the faith. I happen to believe, and Bill and I were discussing this, that if we go back to what some people consider sacred you know the language that Jesus spoke King James. And of course we know that He didn’t even speak English let alone King James. Bill there was really an anti-Jewish prejudice in the translators of the King James and way even before that of course because that’s where the church was. But even some of the modern translations because of this Jewish prejudice have really missed some important things in the New Testament. As a Greek scholar, as someone that’s studied the Jewish Roots, studied Hebrew from as far as I’m concerned the best Jewish Rabbi on the face of this earth to study this from. Are you frustrated when you read some of these modern translations including the King James?
Bill: Well, I don’t read them anymore.
Sid: (Laughing) So you’re not frustrated anymore.
Bill: I’ve done right so I haven’t read others for oh my goodness must be 10 years because I read the Greek text while I was translating my first addition. And it was very frustrating to read other translations and see things that were incorrect. It just missed the point that the author of the New Testament was trying to make.
Sid: And I have to say something Bill and you obviously you can’t say this and I’m going to say this. I believe that you had supernatural help in this translation. There’s something so riveting it’s almost like I’m reading the Bible for the first time.
Bill: Well it was I prayed every day before working on the translation and it was something that I did personally because I was driven to do it. I know that the Lord appointed me for it. So everything was done in prayer and I had really superior reference books to use and excellent advisers to help me through some of the most difficult passages.
Sid: Now going back to the beginning the average Christian, and you made a serious commitment to the Lord at age 17 coming from a Baptist background does not study Greek? Why did you?
Bill: (Laughing) It was unusual; there was a member in our church who had just come back from the mission field in Zambia. And he had his PhD in Greek and he taught Zambian natives to read the Greek text and sent them out into the field and here we have American seminaries that have stopped requiring Greek because it’s too difficult and here he had the natives in the bush that he taught to read Greek. It’s just awesome. But anyway he was in the church and just offered to teach me and anyone else that was interested in learning Greek. So there was two of us that started and then within a month or so the other one dropped off and he and I had really precious time together as he tutored me personally for over 2 years.
Sid: Then you determined to really learn Greek by translating the scriptures and after 7 years of this the Lord spoke to you about doing something. What did He say?
Bill: “Get serious it’s time to really get serious and do a translation.” And to me that was a frightening prospect because taking on scripture is something that each of us has to take very, very seriously.
Sid: Now in retrospect I see why God told you to do this this is a unique translation. However at the time I think I might have said “God what do you need another translation of Your Bible for?
Bill: Well, I knew that; because there were so many things in it that angered me where the missed Hebrew idioms, or they had…
Sid: Okay when you say the terms Hebrew idiom, define idiom and give me an example of a Hebrew idiom that we might have missed.
Bill: Well, an idiom is a saying that you have in one language that wouldn’t mean the same thing in another language. And one my wife likes to use is that we talk about we use is we talk about it raining dogs and cats. And you know any foreigner hearing that would wonder what’s going on. But some of those in the Hebrew that are in the Greek language they are Hebrew idioms that are written in the Greek text that we have.
Sid: Now I asked you to give me an example of this but I have to tell you I’ve been writing down so many examples of these idioms that there’s no way to understand it. For instance in Matthew 15:22 and in many instances there were people that were sick and they were running to Jesus and they were saying “Have mercy on us.” And what is that an idiom for when you when you ask for mercy?
Bill: It’s asking for forgiveness.
Sid: Now there is no way that anyone would realize that that’s what someone is saying.
Sid: And maybe that’s just one of the missing keys as to why people aren’t getting healed.
Bill: That’s true because not only are we asking for forgiveness but Jesus gave us that requirement in the Lord’s prayer that we have to forgive others first before we even ask God to forgive us. We can’t have any un-forgiveness and of course people that have forgiveness are going to have a barrier that keeps them from a healing.
Sid: Now, you started working on this translation. You moved to Lakeland, Florida and you met Eliezer Ben-Yehuda whose is the grandson of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda the one that literally put together what we call modern day Hebrew. That must have been a fascinating time for you to fellowship with him.
Bill: Oh it was awesome; we became very close. He and his wife; in fact they were with us over Memorial Day weekend this year.
Sid: What is he just out of curiosity and I don’t want to put you or him on the spot, has he seen the work that you’ve done and what does he think of it?
Bill: Oh, he thinks that this is the best translation out there, but of course he has more than a dozen reasons why Jesus cannot be the Messiah.
Sid: That’s his problem, but let me tell you something as a Jewish believer in the Messiah I am just overwhelmed with the information that I wasn’t aware of. For instance, it was worth me reading this new translation for one word. You talk about sickness and you say that the Greek really although we put the word sickness in the Greek really means evil. I never heard that before.
Bill: Well, that’s the word that’s in there “Kakos” and it means evil.
Sid: So someone that says “Well God has just given me sickness so that I’ll learn a lesson.” That’s almost like saying God has just put some evil on me so I’ll learn to be a better person.
Sid: I mean when you really get technical I mean that is wonderful, I mean it’s bad that someone would think such theology but it is wonderful to understand that the word translated sickness really is evil. And as a matter of fact you had some problems with sickness and you had a revelation on healing. And I happen to believe that this “Power New Testament” revealing Jewish roots because of your understanding of healing you could bring out scriptures much clearer from the Greek that really explains even the tenses of what the Messiah was saying which makes a big difference in our understanding.
Bill: Oh, it does and see I think that one of the things that helped me to do this compared to other translations, other translators. Is that we my wife and I are hands on ministers and when we lay hands on others and on each other and we expect to be healed. We see healings every time we minister. But see the translators of the major books are all chosen because of scholarship and they’re people that live in Ivory towers. They may not even be born again, and they definitely are not hands on ministers who believe in healing. We know that it’s healing my goodness my eyes were healed.
Sid: What do you mean “My eyes were healed?” Like for instance you wore glasses?
Bill: I wore glasses; yes and it was in March of 1984 we were in Israel and we were talking and I made the comment that “The Lord had healed the eyes of a friend of our back home.” And one of the people with us said “Well yeah He could heal your eyes too.” And I said “Yes He’s going to give me a sign when I should take my glasses off.” And the very next morning while we were waiting for the bus we were on a Benny Hinn tour a young girl with us was cold. And this was maybe 6 or 7 o’clock in the morning. So I gave he my jacket. And when I got the jacket back the glasses that had been in their case in the inside pocket the glasses were broken. So when we got home they stayed broken and roughly 2 months later driving down the road on my way in the morning I could see street signs way…
Sid: Stop, we’re out of time.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Pastor Charles Cowan; he’s Pastor of the 2000 member Faith Is The Victory Church in Nashville, Tennessee. And he’s just written a new book the title is one that you need to read it’s called “How to Deal with the Cares of Life.” The Bible has much to say about this, and on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about a catch word that’s used in the medical profession a lot it’s called stressed. Although it’s a catch word because the doctors don’t know what the real cause of diseases might be. It a real situation, it’s our response to external stimulus, but there is something that has overcome that. It’s the word of God and it’s the one thing to intellectually know the word of God; but it’s another thing to have the word of God in your heart where it becomes more real than the external stimulus. Then this stress can’t get hold of you, like unfortunately it has with many Christians as much with Christians as non-Christians, it should not be, it will not be. Charles at the beginning of your book you talk about a great move of God’s Spirit and what the devil is trying to do is to get us out of position so we won’t be ready to fulfill our destiny. And in the beginning of your book you talk about an experience that you had and I think that when we become real and we talk about those in the pulpit talk about “You know I go through the same challenges and the same problems that you do. Let me tell you what happened to me when I was flying on an airplane.” Tell us that story.
Charles: Okay, well you know and that is true; what we preach from the pulpit we have to walk it just like anyone else does. I was on a plane out of Nashville and we had to take an early one morning and we were on our way to Dallas, Ft. Worth. And we had gotten up to our flying altitude and we’re flying along rather smoothly when all of a sudden the pilot, the captain, put the plane into a very sharp descent. And just for a few seconds I’m sure it seemed like a long time but just for a few seconds there wasn’t anything said in the plane the plane was in this almost felt that it was in a nose dive. And then he came on the intercom and told the flight attendants to take their seat; buckle their seatbelts and then there were a few more seconds. Well, in this few seconds this emotion; I began to feel this emotion of fear. And you know fear there are 2 or 3 different kinds of fear; fear #1 you know is the fear of God which is reverence for God. Then there is a cautious type of fear where if your person’s crossing the street should look both ways and make sure of their safety. And then there is this fear that is called a spirit; Paul wiring to Timothy said “God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and a sound mind.” So from without I began these emotions I began to feel these emotions and thoughts began to flood my mind. And my thought were “This plane is going to crash; this plane is going down; you’re going to die.” There I am in the midst of that and Satan is using this circumstance and this situation to flood my mind and to drive me away from what God has said about my safety and about my protection. Because the word of God says “He’s given His angels charge over us to keep us in all of our ways to keep us up in their hands less we dash our foot against a stone.” He’s also told us that “No weapon formed that is formed against us shall prosper.” And so there in my mind all of these thoughts were coming.
Sid: But just as the plane suddenly plunged downward you know all of these things but in that moment was fear a very tangible emotion that was happening to you?
Charles: Sid, it felt really, it felt as though that I could actually taste it. I mean it was very, very real it was a most powerful emotion and it came so unannounced. When that plane started down and it just… what it does it tries it best to frighten an individual out of their senses. I used to hear when I was growing up you know and someone would pull… you know hide behind the door or whatever in the dark and then jump out. You know and I’ve heard people say “That just scared me out of my mind.” See that’s what Satan seeks to do with these things that we face many times and he seeks to scare us out of our spiritual mind and get us to thinking in a carnal type mind and buy into whatever that has brought on this emotion of fear. So he was trying to get me to buy into the thought “The plane is going to crash; you’re going to die, you’ll never see your family again,” and all of those kind of thoughts that come. So what he was trying to do he was trying to displace me in my thought life and buy into what was happening at the moment. And so thank God the word of God was in me and so I just began to say “No weapon formed against me shall prosper, God has given His angels charge over me; God is my protector; God will take care of me.” And then the thought rushes in there “Well, how do you think He’s going to take care of you now this plane is going to crash?” So in my mind I was fighting this battle in my mind. Which every believer, every person listening to this broadcast has to face these, maybe not this same situation but has to face these thoughts that come and bring war and bring warfare. You know Paul said “The weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but they’re mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds; casting down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.”
Sid: Is this what James was referred to saying “That a double-minded man is unstable in all of his ways?
Charles: This is exactly what he was referring to; he is double-minded man; Satan wants to…he wants to get you to think about what’s on the other side of the coin as it were. You’re here thinking what God says. He wants to get you thinking about what’s happening in your life at this moment in time. And so what if he gets you thinking about that and then you try to go back and thinking the word; what the word of God says then you’re thinking about the present moment and situation. And get you to vacillate between the two you become double-minded, or in other words you have encountered a distracted mind. You know the scripture teaches us that “He will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Him.” And it doesn’t matter really in God’s view it doesn’t matter what’s going on around me, all that matters to God is what He said. So I have to be sure that Satan doesn’t distract me to the point that I just move the word of God over to the side and think only these thoughts Satan is bringing to me. I’ve got to give God my words, I’ve got to give Him my thoughts so that His power that’s in His word can bring to me the deliverance that I need; the help that I need at that moment in time. And so that’s what I found myself doing.
Sid: Okay, so you took this sudden plunge, fear hits you it’s tangible; what did you do?
Charles: I just began to take a hold of my senses, my mind, and I just began to say what the word of God has to say about my safety and about my protection and about what God has stated in His word that He will do for me. I’ve set my love upon Him and you know it says “There things shall not come nigh me; it shall not be able to overcome me.” And so I just began to speak the word of God because you see if my thinking gets over here in the wrong area; my words are going to be in the wrong area. So I put my mind back on the word of God; so it was a fight to do that. It wasn’t the easiest thing to do in my life. But I made myself I made my mind get back over here on what God says. And no matter what was going on around me; no matter what Satan had planned for my life that day I knew that God’s plan for my life was to do His will…
Sid: But things kept getting worse, I mean the plane started shaking; you went into a freezing storm, the pilot came on with problems there was ever worse things going on that he didn’t tell you about. I mean did you find yourself going up and down like a yo-yo as far as what was going on with this fear?
Charles: When this comes against you when things of this nature or problems come against you what you have to make the decision to do is that you’re going to stabilize yourself in your thought life. Yeah, there was opportunity for me to be up and down like a yo-yo. It was an opportunity for me to say “It doesn’t look like God is going to come through.” It was an opportunity to feel like God was a million miles away; maybe He had hung a sign on the door out to lunch or something. But I forced myself to stabilize my thoughts that God would protect me; God is my protector; God is the one who keeps me safe and I will dwell upon those thoughts. I just kept making my mind think that because I knew that I couldn’t fight a thought with a thought. I had to fight those thoughts with words. So I found out that when I say something and I hear myself saying it my mind had to stop and to listen to what I was saying.
Sid: But so in affect you had to make a freewill decision which set of thoughts you would go on.
Charles: That’s it and if you don’t do that; if an individual doesn’t do that when cares of life come against them if they don’t do that they’ll do exactly what you said. They’ll be like a yo-yo. Today…
Sid: Charles we’re out of time we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast. Mishpochah how would you like to stay connected with God no matter what external stimuli comes your way. No matter what problems come your way; this book teaches you how to do it.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah. He’s a Messianic Jew by the name of Ron Cantor I’m actually speaking to him by way of telephone and he’s at his home just outside of Tel Aviv, Israel. And Ronnie about 10 years ago you made aliyah; that’s a Hebrew word that means that you go up. And wherever a Jew is north, south, east or west when they go back home to Israel it’s considering going up. And when they move Israel permanently for the diaspora for the nations that’s considered going down. I like going up, anyway you wrote a book explaining the Jewish roots of the faith that very few Christians have ever even entertained ever even thought of; ever even heard. Most ministers don’t know what you put into this book. And God said “Stop, rewrite it.” And you must have been a little concerned. God told you to make it a novel but work all of these historical facts into the novel. Now tell me about the novel and tell me a couple of experiences that the character had in the novel.
Ron: Well you know when we did rewrite it as a novel it was to that very thing to take all of these facts but put it in a format that people would enjoy that they wouldn’t be able to put down. I’ve gotten so many emails Sid from pastors, a Jewish guy emailed me over the summer and he said he couldn’t put it down. Then 2 weeks later he got born again. So we wrote it for believers and then I started hearing about Jewish unbelievers reading this book and for the first time seeing Jesus as the Jew that He was and is. So what we did was the character David who was a reporter in Philadelphia; he’s searching; he wants to know the truth and he realizes as a young father and husband that he needs to know God. And he’s interested in Yeshua and he also knows that as a Jew that’s forbidden. And it’s at that point that he has a visitation from an angel. One of the things that the angel shows him is how Jewish people through the centuries had viewed him. For instance, he gets to watch a movie; he goes back to ancient Jerusalem; watches a movie about a woman who had encountered Yeshua. And her view of him was He’s a Jew; he’s the Messiah. There was no controversy, but as time goes on and you had the crusades where 10′s of 1000′s of Jewish people were murdered by the Catholic crusaders as they marched across Europe into Israel you begin to see the Jewish understanding change of Yeshua. Because what happened was that Jewish people associated Jesus with Christianity, or I should say institutionalized Christianity. We don’t believe that these crusaders were genuine believers they just had a cross on their shield that was about it. They didn’t have one in their hearts. Then he gets to see what a young Jewish boy goes through in the inquisitions where his family being forced to become Catholic converts. And their father well, I don’t want to tell the whole story but what he goes through is agonizing his story. And then of course he actually ends up in the holocaust where he hears a first young Jewish boy suffered in the holocaust. And by that time when I wrote it Sid I was hoping Sid by the time I got to that point in the book that reader would be hooked. And I read it first to my daughter because she… I didn’t mentioned this in the previous broadcast but when I was debating whether or not to rewrite it my youngest daughter she’s now in the Israeli Defense Forces; I said to her “Danielle I have this idea I feel like God wants me to rewrite the book as a novel and what do you think?” And I explained the vision and she “Dad, you’ve got to do it!” And I said “Okay, I’m going to work on it all day today and tomorrow I’m going to read you these first few chapters.” I began to read the first few chapters to her the next morning; and Sid when I got about 4/5 of the way through she burst into tears. Now this is my older teenage daughter and it’s a story that she knew her dad made up and yet she was so touched by it she just broke into tears. And that is what I’ve gotten emails and comments on Amazon.com and other places, Facebook. I had a woman the other day, and it doesn’t sound very humble saying this, but it really was a revelation from God this book. She said “Ron, this is the best book I have ever read in my life.”
Sid: Ron address this question, how did something that was obviously so Jewish; in fact let’s build that case right now. Why does the New Testament so Jewish?
Ron: Well, just look at the words of Yeshua He’s said “I came to lost sheep of the the House of Israel.” He was not born in Rome; Mary was not a Catholic, she was a Jewish girl an Israeli named Mariam; John was not a Baptist preacher he was actually a Jewish prophet prophesying the coming of the Messiah. This was a Jewish story and all of the original believers were 100% Jewish; they were not preaching in Galatia or in Ephesus the years following the resurrection of Yeshua. They were preaching in Jerusalem and in Galilee all over Israel, Akko and in mass were coming to faith but there is no evidence that it ever even entered into their mind that this was something other than Judaism.
Sid: Okay, so then that begs the question then Ron “If everything was so Jewish at the beginning, which it was, then how did it make such a change where a Jewish person like you or me didn’t have a clue the New Testament was about Jews, for Jews written by Jews?”
Ron: That’s a great question and what happened is that it started really quite early; once the Gentiles started coming into the Kingdom as you know there was a controversy whether they had to become Jewish. And Acts 15 says that they didn’t and they… but they quickly outnumbered the Jewish people. And then you have according to a Roman’s historian in the year 49 Claudius the Roman Emperor he kicked out all of the Jews from Rome; they had to leave. And Messianic Jews and non-Messianic Jews and they were gone for about 5 or 6 years. And during that time the Roman believers, which was probably a group of house congregations, they developed a theology that God was done with Israel, God had finished with Israel, and they were now the new Israel. So in the year 55 – 56 Claudius dies and the Jews are allowed back into Rome. So these Jewish believers they go back to their congregation but now they’re treated like second class citizens. The Gentiles who had been leading it now for the past 4 or 6 years begin to treat them very poorly. Now if you have that bit of information then suddenly the book of Roman’s makes sense why it’s called so insisting that the gospel is to the Jew first. Then in Roman’s 11 he makes such a strong case that God has not rejected Israel. And then in the middle of that chapter he warns the Roman believers that if God could break them off then He could break you off too. Don’t be arrogant but be afraid in how you treat the Jewish people.
Sid: Well in light of that verse that you just read what would you say to someone that believes today God is finished with the Jew. He wants Jewish people to know Him but he’s finished with the Jew as a distinct people; He is finished with the call of the Jew, and as a matter of fact, they’re kind of anti-Semitic because they say that the Jews killed Christ.
Ron: Right, what I would say to that person I would say “Be careful, really with all the compassion and love that I have please be careful because that’s a dangerous place to be.” Read Roman’s 11 it says very clearly that if the Gentile Church turns against Israel that God will have a big problem with those people and that’s what happened. Who did Paul write Romans to? The Romans and what did the Roman Church become; it became a church that rejected the Jewish people; it solidified the theology that the church has replaced Israel. And within a very short time the Catholic Church was nothing but a museum of dead tradition and works righteousness. They judged Israel and then they became the very thing that they judged. Now I know that there are many godly Catholics that believe in Yeshua that are born again; but as an institution they begin to create traditions that you can’t find in the Bible. And they begin to persecute the Jewish people and God says “Don’t be arrogant but be afraid; if I can cut off the natural branches I can cut you off as well.
Sid: Well, as you point out the dividing line between the true believers and the false believers in the last days will be “Do you have the same position on the Jew in Israel as God has; and if you have that same position you’re going to move into the same works that Jesus has done and even greater. And if you don’t have that position you’re going to move I heresy and further error.” By the way, to the question of the Jews killed Christ. This is what Paul says in Acts 4:27 (This is who killed Jesus by the way) Acts 4:27 “For truly against your Holy Servant Jesus whom you anointed (Now here’s who killed Him) Herod, Pontius Pilate, the gentles and the people of Israel were gathered together to do whatever your hand and your purpose determined.” So who killed Jesus? The Jews and the Gentiles, you get the Jews and Gentles together you get the whole world. That’s who killed Jesus as a fact no one could kill Him; He laid down His life for the whole world. So stop being mashuga, stop being crazy come to your senses…
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be on God’s side in the last days. That’s why I’m so excited about probably the most unique and fresh approach covering the end times in reference to the Jew, Israel and the church. The book is called “I Still Care About Israel.” And Israel if you haven’t noticed that tiny little country that’s about the size of Rhode Island. You can’t open a newspaper anywhere in the world without that nation being addressed. And just as Israel was front and center stage at the first coming of Jesus well we’re in the footsteps of Messiah according to the Orthodox Jewish Community. The Messiah’s ready to return according to the Christian Community just as Israel was front and center at the first coming of Jesus, Israel is front and center at the return of Jesus. Now I have on the telephone a messianic Jewish believer Sandy Teplinski; she’s an Israeli American. She is an attorney and Sandy I have to tell you you have documented every statement that you make in this book “Why Still Care About Israel.” You went almost overboard on the documentation so no one will think that it’s just opinion. One of the most important questions I believe to God right now is “Who owns the land of Israel; the Jewish people; the Palestinians; who?
Susan: Well, according to God’s Word Psalm 105 “He remembers His covenant forever; the word which He commanded for a thousand generations. The covenant which He made with Abraham and his oath to Isaac. He confirmed it to Jacob for a statue to Israel as an everlasting covenant saying to you that I will give the land of Canaan verses 8-11. According to the scriptures God has given Israel covenantal stewardship of the land of Israel forever. Now if we want to look to non-Biblical sources historically the Jewish people of all other people groups in the world according to the principals of customary international law the Jewish people have a legal right to the land of Israel. Why do I say that? Well, according to customary international law people who have best claim to any given piece of land are the people that last legally exercised sovereign control over that land. The last legal owners of the land of Israel were the Jewish people; in fact there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the land of Israel for 1,000′s of years. Now not only do we have customary international law but back in the early 20th century after World War 1 European nations came together and formed international agreements which established a future Jewish homeland in what was then called Palestine.
Sid: By the way “Where did the name Palestine come from?” Do they have a traceable ancient tie to the land of Israel?
Susan: You read my mind [laughing] even though the land was called Palestine that has nothing to do with the Palestinians of today. The Roman’s renamed Israel Palestine as an insult in mocking remembrance of the Jews ancient enemy the Philistines who were already extinct by the time the Roman’s renamed Israel Palestine. The Palestinians of today…
Sid: So what you’re saying is “The Jews and any Arabs that might have been there were called Palestinians at that time.
Susan: Exactly, exactly. There were Palestinian Jew; there were Palestinian Arabs. Israel was created as a Palestinian state so as you know Israel has a large significant Arab population. Israel’s a democracy; Arab Israel’s have the same rights as Jewish Israeli’s and those Arab Israelis’ are the descendants of the Palestinian Arabs who lived in the country before Israel was created as a modern day state. The key here is that there were very few other occupants of the land when Israel became a nation and during the processes of Israel becoming independent-sovereign state. There were approximately 300,000 individuals in the entire land of Israel which actually included actually about twice as much territory as it does now. And there were very, very few populations centers and so during the time that the Jewish people who were the last legal owners of the land were present and to live and inhabit the land the land had remained mostly barren and a wasteland. Yes there were some Arab villages but those villages had not really become bustling thriving hubs of any kind until after the early Jewish pioneers came back to Israel began to work the land. I believe God anointed them to do so; it seemed that nobody else had been able to cause the deserts and the swamplands to turn into blossoming fields and cites. But as the Jewish people came back and rolled up their sleeves and began to recreate a state by God’s grace that attracted many Bedouin type Arabs in order to get better jobs. In order to get better medical care; in order to get their children educated. And that continues to this day; and I see that even as an Israeli where many Arab Bedouins…
Sid: Is that equal to many people from South of the border come to the United States because we made a great country here just as Israel made a great country?
Susan: Well, certainly there’s a parallel certainly there’s a parallel. And there’s nothing necessarily wrong with that if people come in peace desiring to contribute to a country. (Laughing)
Sid: So what you’re saying is that this huge Palestinian population their ancestors weren’t even there in what was called Palestine. Like for instance Arafat he came from Egypt.
Susan: He did. It’s estimated that about 650,000 Arabs fled when the Jewish state was created into what are called refugee areas now. But even among that number probably the majority came from outside the land of Israel only after the Jewish Zionist pioneers had made headway in bringing modern up to date western civilization type of infrastructure to what was essentially a desert wasteland and swampland.
Sid: And you know what I find fascinating Sandy is that when the Jewish people who lived in the Arab lands were uprooted they left with clothing on their back, nothing. And Israel made them as we Jewish people say a mensch; real human they took care of their own. Now when the Arabs fled the land that they had they weren’t reestablished in the Arab countries who had so much more money. How come? Why did they leave them in squalor like that?
Susan: No Arab state would take in the refugees specifically in order to leave them in place as a local population that could be used in the political, the diplomatic and the military realm to help destroy Israel. The Palestinians have always operated in connection with the larger pan-Arab plan which remains to this day to destroy the state of Israel.
Sid: Answer this question, it looks like there will be a Palestinian state; if there is a Palestinian state how in the world can they exist if their goal is to wipe Israel off the face of the map? I don’t understand the longer term thinking.
Susan: Well, they don’t operate in isolation they gain their weapon supplies and their personnel from all over the Arab Islamist world. The Palestinian’s have historically did not at the forefront but they have been the ones that sadly been manipulated by the ones surrounding Arab nations to their bidding. To serve again as a local platform from which an all-out war against Israel can be launched. But you’re right without out building a state; without having a goal in life other than destruction of another state a people group languishes and doesn’t prosper. And that’s exactly what we see happening in spite the fact the United States for example spends approximately 400 million dollars a year to build infrastructure within the Palestinian Authority in Gaza. Yet there’s poverty and squalor and corruption within both realms that have prevented most Palestinians from having any kind of decent life other than having as their goal the destruction of Israel.
Sid: It’s so sad and so outrages it proves there’s a devil. And as a matter of fact Joel chapter 3 states that the single sin that will cause God’s judgment on a nation and I quote this specifically “Is dividing up the land of Israel that God gave to the Jewish people forever lasting and a thousand generations.”
Sid: Well my guest David Jones is red hot for the Messiah. We found out that God took him into what is known as an open vision and he saw what the Bible refers to as the worst day in the history of planet earth it’s called “The Day of the Lord.” Now David God’s given you a call tell me about that.
David: When I was 30 years old I remember sleeping; I remember sleeping in my bed and all of a sudden I just work up. And I heard these words “Go to the book of Ezekiel the 3rd Chapter and begin at the 14th verse.” And I looked at the clock and it was 5:00 and I said “Uh oh! God’s getting ready to speak to me,” and I got my Bible and I opened it up and it said “Son of man I have made you a watchman unto the House of Israel. When I say unto the wicked thou shall surely die and thou givest him not warning nor to warn him from his wicked way.(And what’s the purpose of the warning but to save his life) That same wicked man shall die in his sin but his blood will I require at thy hand.” That means I had a great responsibility to give people the truth whether I wanted to do it or not. I had to do it because I have to answer to God one day.
Sid: Give me 2 people that you shared the truth with and what happened with them.
David: Well, the call to warn was on me even at an early age at 11 years old Sid. I remember my Uncle Fred, that was my buddy my Uncle Fred. He was 28 years old and I was 11 and I had my own bed but I liked sleeping with my Uncle Fred. And we would talk and just have a great sessions on talking about all kinds of things at night. But this one night something was different and so I begin to speak to Uncle Fred. And I said “Uncle Fred.” And I’m a junior, everybody calls me junior. And he said “Yeah Jun.” I said “Grandma said the Bible says “Except a man be born again Jesus said “He won’t even see the Kingdom of heaven but he’ll die and go to hell and burn in the lake of fire and brimstone.” And his response was, “When you got to go you gotta go.” Sid the next week, not 10 years later, the next week God didn’t allow me to sleep with Uncle Fred I slept across from Uncle Fred. And I heard my Grandmother at the bottom of the stairs calling him about 7:00 in the morning saying “Fred, Fred, Fred get up Fred you got to go to work.” And I got up and I cut the light on and looked over. And he was 28 but he drunk beer so he had a little beer gut and I was kind of half sleeping and I said “It don’t look like Uncle Fred’s stomach going up and down.” I didn’t think nothing of it I went and got in the bed with him and grabbed his arm and started shaking his belly and I said “Hmm Uncle Fred is cold he must have sleep under no cover.” And I was shaking him and my Grandmother got to the top of the stairs and she said “Jun can you get him up.” She said “Lord, have mercy!” She said “I think Fred dead, and I drop his arms.” Sid he had one week to set his house in order, he will have no excuse on that day. “Well Lord, when did I hear about You?” And He will say “Well, remember the lad, he was telling you you must be born again.” Another time I was preaching, ministering on a Wednesday service and I was just ministering the word and all of a sudden I never had this happen to me before. I stopped and I said “There’s someone in this church, this is your last call from God. The Lord is calling you tonight, this is your last call after this night the Lord will not come to you ever again, answer the call of God.” All of a sudden a beautiful Spanish lady, young girl about 17 in the back of the church real long hair jumped up weeping and crying running and crying “Oh my God it’s me, it’s me. I’m a backslider, I want to come home.” And she rededicated her life. That was on a Wednesday night 2 weeks later she was killed in a car accident. The Bible says “The day you hear My voice harken not your heart.” Sid listen God spoke to me said “I’m telling you to warn them for Me because it’s my love reaching out to all mankind I’m giving them warning and I’m living them by giving them the warning it’s My mercy that’s reaching out to them, it’s my compassion that’s reaching out to them through the warning.
Sid: What about someone that’s listening to us right now that is involved in sin but they say “Everyone does it it’s okay, God’s a God of love.” What would you say to them?
David: But he’s a God of justice and He’s a God of judgment. The Lord is holy and He said in His word, “Be ye holy for I am holy.” Hebrew 12:14 says “Follow peace with all men, holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. The Lord means what He says and He’s says what He means.” The scripture cannot be altered neither can it be broken. He said “Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.”
Sid: What about people that are living for God on Sunday, but the rest of the week they live like everyone else?
David: Sometime they’ve been bewitched in their own thoughts and their own mind. The Bible says “If we confess our sins He’s faithful and just to forgive us of our sins and cleans us from all unrighteousness.” God is a merciful God and compassionate God. But Sid there is a line that I cannot cross with God. There’s a line that you cannot cross and that is the line of no return. And if they keep going on the Lord will have to judge them on it sooner or later.
Sid: How soon could this whole vision you saw the return of Jesus “The Day of the Lord, the Day of pouring out of His judgment.” How soon could that be?
David: It could happen like NOW! Because it came so SWIFTLY! It came so SUDDENLY! upon all humanity and it caught everyone off guard. Why because Jesus said “I’m coming at an hour and at a time when man least expects it.” I know we got great revelation teachers and they’re comparing scriptures with scripture but in the vision everyone was caught off guard!
Sid: David tell me about the time you were driving in Atlanta and you thought the Lord said to you to “Pick up a woman,” but you kind of shrugged it off, you didn’t want to do it.
David: Sid can I be honest, I knew I heard from God. I’m going to tell the truth on myself, I didn’t want to be bothered with the lady. I didn’t want to stop I’m just telling the truth, I’m honest. I’m the kind of preacher I’ll show you why I missed God. I missed God. The lady was walking up the hill and a steep hill and she had groceries in her hand and I’m driving my car and getting close. And the Lord said “Pick her up.” And I’m being honest I said “I’m not picking that lady up, I don’t even know that lady.” And I past the lady by and the Lord came to me again with authority and said “Pick her up!” I said “Oh God forgive me, I’ll pick her up.” And I start praying and I turn the car around and I’m going back up the hill and I say “Lord give me something to this lady I don’t want to start freaking out on me I know that she don’t know me.” And as I’m getting closer to her she was looking at me out of the corner of her eye like “What is he doing?” And I rolled down the window and I say “Mam I’m going to the top of the hill, I can give you a ride.” She said “I don’t ride with strangers, and then all of a sudden God just started ministering through me.” I said “Mam I understand these are the last days and these are the last times and you have to be so careful but the Lord knows your going in and your coming out there is nothing hid from the Lord.” She said “I believe I’ll take that ride.” Sid, I got right to the point I said “Mam anybody can quit but it take a real man, a real woman to keep going.” And she said “Oh, my God the Lord must have sent you to me.” I said “Why do you say that?” She said “I done wreck my car, that’s why I’m walking now, I lost my job; I’m starting to do crack cocaine, I got this big lump on my breast I’m thinking about killing myself.” I say “Mam if you kill yourself the devil will turn a flip that’s all he want you to do, but where there’s life there’s hope.” And when I said it Sid I heard God for myself and I began to almost breakdown and cry because I heard God. I said “Where there’s life, there’s hope.” And she began to just weep and cry and then Sid I led her to the Lord and when I led her to the Lord I dropped her off at her place and I got ready to drive and I couldn’t drive because I began to break. Now my dad he was a fighter and he always taught me to be strong and not be a cry baby, and so I held back the tears. But now for the first time in my life I’m getting ready to weep, tears are coming out of my eyes and I said “I’m crying.” And I was crying because I was ashamed of myself; I didn’t want to be bothered with this lady, I didn’t want to take time out with woman. And the lady told me that she was going to commit suicide and I began to repent to God and I said Lord I make a vow to you this day. “Wherever you send me oh Lord, I’ll go, wherever you tell me to say oh King I’ll say “Thus sayeth the Lord God whether I know them or not.” And Sid, from that very day God start sending me the businessmen, the bishops, the owners of companies, the movie producers, to doctors, to lawyers, to nurses. God started sending me to people and when He send me He would give me a word for them. And every time I would give there to them I would know that I’d been sent by God to them. Ever since that day I may a vow that wherever God send me I will go.
Sid: David there are people listening to us right now that must get right with God. How will they?
David: Jesus says “Whosoever will let him come undo me and I will in nowise cast him out.” I don’t care what you’re doing, I don’t care what you have done. You might have been on drugs and alcohol, you might be suicidal right now. God loves you with an everlasting love and He says in His word, He wish that none should perish but all come to repentance. He loved you before the foundations of the world; He said “Come unto Me all you heavy laden and I will give you rest.” Aren’t you sick and tired of being sick and tired? Jesus is your answer come unto Me, all you heavy laden and I will give you rest. My yoke is easy and my burdens are light and you will find rest unto your souls. The word of God says that “If we confess with our mouth, and believe in our heart that God raised Jesus from the dead,” this is a promise “Thou shall be saved.” Right now just confess with your mouth, just begin to repent right now say “Lord I repent of all of trespasses and sin. God come into my life; forgive me Lord, wash me and make me clean, come into my life. Be my Lord and my Savior; direct my footsteps in everything I say and do Lord, I give You my life. Cleans me Lord, I say yes to your will and I saw yes to your way. And from this day forward I will serve you all the days of my life and I will be a witness for you wherever I go in the land.”
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah lukewarm it’s deception. You’re better off being cold then being deceived because it you’re cold you know you’ve got a problem. But if you are lukewarm; if you’re like the average 21st century American Christian. You go to church on Sunday; you love the people, you love God; you love the pastor, but during the rest of the week there’s no difference between you and nonbelievers that have a good moral conscience something is wrong somewhere. We are at the wrap up, we’re about ready to see the greatest revival; I mean it’s not an accident that you’re listening to me right now. We’re about ready to see the greatest revival the world has ever seen; God is right now releasing anointing’s, ancient anointing’s. Because there is so much work that has to be done; instead you’re holding on to the toys of this life when the true riches are about ready to come to you. And you know what I’m reminded of Kathryn Kuhlman who had a great miracle ministry and she said “She was the bottom of the barrel last choice of God for this great miracle ministry but many great men of God were offered this ministry and turned it down.” What do you mean by offered this ministry? What I mean by that is that is that if He can trust you with little things He can trust you with big things. You are being offered a very very special destiny; don’t miss it for the toys of this earth. My guest is Patrick McEnnerney I’m speaking to him at his home in Casa Grande, Arizona and Patrick you were in middle of what God was showing you would you expound on that?
Pat: Yes, I was talking about a prophetic word and let’s just back up we’ll roll back a little bit. I was flying from the east coast to Montana, and I actually had been fretting because this conference was an important conference that I was going to do. I had writers block; a road block and I always prepare myself and I don’t ever give a message unless I’m convinced that it’s totally of God. I’m not into tickling anybody’s ears and I was crying out to the Lord on the airplane and the Lord spoke to me He says “Chill out.” He said “What I gave you 10 years ago you’re going to use and listen I want to share with you what I want you to preach.” So the Lord opened; it enlightened my eyes; it enlightened my being and said “I want you to preach about the sons of thunder; the Covenant Sons of signs and wonders. And they’ll be marching out of Zion with fire in their hands and they will shout out the name of their God as kingdoms fall apart. Jesus is returning soon.” Now I shared with you Sid earlier about a vision that God gave me in Spokane in 1998 and this is really part of it God didn’t give it all to me at once. But there’s this new anointing, this new breed, this new army of believers that is Jew and Gentile. And that is the new man; that is the man restored into relationship that will walk with such phenomenal power that we’ll be raising the dead and casting out demons, healing the sick and preaching the kingdom of our God. There’s only one nation and there’s only one blood; and that nation the King is Jesus the Messiah. The blood is the blood of the Lamb and we can’t enter into this new anointing into this new army into this thing God is doing presently at this very hour. He’s tearing away the hierarchies; He’s tearing away the religious things.
Sid: I sure hope that He speeds this up because I am so ready for the new that I can taste it.
Pat: I am too, you know one of the things that I combat constantly is this lip service that people say they believe. Intellectually they have ascended to truth; but in their belly there is no truth of that belief or they would step into it and do it. People need to forget really all the stuff that they’re doing for the most part and come back to the simple truth and come unto Me; Jesus said “Follow Me.” My call was this that I know that I wasn’t God’s first choice; I’m convinced of it but I said “Here I am, choose me.” And then the Lord allowed His fire to come. And we see in Numbers these Levi Priests and they were a holy nation; they were holy. But they weren’t in a position, they weren’t doing really what God had asked them to do; they were outside of what God had spoken to them. They looked good; they were the famous and they were the ones that all would be led by. God stepped out in their midst and they were consumed in their fire. But they’re fire pans became holy and He used it as a memorial of who God is, and I believe that these sons of thunder these Covenant sons Jew and Gentiles will walk with such power that the fire of God will come from heaven and consume up darkness. And I’m seeing in our ministry tremendous things happen. Well, it isn’t happening worldwide. Well, I think that God has been calling and preparing people; healing was non-heard of 5 years ago basically. And now there are hundreds of healing centers or healing rooms and they’re now seeking the face of Jesus. And they’re thinking “Could this gospel be true?”
Sid: Listen, there’s got to be a change. The system that we have as King James would have said “Stinketh.” Listen the system we have is four walls and expect nonbelievers to come in droves inside of these four walls to get saved by the paid professional. That’s not the way that God set this whole system up. He wanted everyone to be a worker and you’re starting to see tremendous miracles in your ministry. And I asked you a question; “What do you think was the turning point where you began to see these miracles.” And you said “It really was through the crucible of suffering.” People don’t want to hear about it, but you had a sickness, tell me about it.
Pat: Yes, the Lord came to me and revealed to me in 1991 the Holy Spirit said “When you gave yourself to Jesus you died, but you have not given me permission to reign and rule in your life.” And so I consecrated my life and I asked the “Father in Jesus Name, I charged the Holy Spirit to come in with power and remove anything that would hinder you possessing me.” And forgot about that little prayer but within 2 weeks I became ill and I was eventually diagnosed with intractable migraines and the pain never left for 6 years and I was on methadone and demurral and it was excruciating and I would pass out from it. It literally ripped away my fortune and in that process, see God didn’t bring that, if I knew then what I know now I wouldn’t have had to suffer. But in that process and in that tremendous pain I put a demand in heaven in desperation and there was a cry that started coming out of me and God leaned and fastened His ear to me and heard my cry. But because of that I entered into what I would call Christ crucified. Now I’m not talking about being perfect; I’m talking about I desired and I started giving up all the idols.
Sid: You know when you’re in such bad physical shape you’re willing to give up anything to get relief. And why is it that we can’t do this without these challenges? What is it that makes us so hard headed and stiff necked?
Pat: Well, I can only speak for part of what I understand and what I’ve experienced but the church as a whole is like the fig tree that Jesus cursed. It had leaves but it had no fruit; and Jesus maybe a lot of people don’t know this a fig tree produces fruit before it does leaves. And this tree dried from the roots up; a trees don’t die in that way. What Jesus was saying “He hates the counterfeit.” And see the devils a liar and a thief he comes, to steal, kill and destroy; he’s the master counterfeiter and deceiver. And so we have walk in the truth and we worship God in the Spirit of truth and Spirit. So I believe as in my case; being raised in Catholicism, the Catholic Church; I knew who Mary was and I heard about the Father. But I didn’t really know this Jesus, that He’s the only way, He’s the only path; He’s the only door. And He is life and if you don’t go through Him you don’t have life. And so I saw a facade of religiousness but I never saw the power. When I minister today I tell people that many have never heard about God and they’re religious and they’re there to jure and come against it. And I say “If what I say is true we can demonstrate it; that it is true sharper than any two edged sword. And many times before I preach I’ll walk over and I’ll speak it from the pulpit “In Jesus Mighty Name I rebuke that Spirit of death on the person stand up.” And they’ll be radically miraculously healed by the power of Jesus Christ.” That brings the lost into the house; and our ministry has moved somewhat; God has told us and we’d done it and we obeyed it. It was a mandate to get a tent to go to places where people won’t darken the church. We put the tent up and those that get saved with relationship to other churches Jew or Gentile churches we want them to be discipled. They mustn’t stay in this state of a convert; they must be discipled. And so you know God said “His word came with power” if we’re not preaching the gospel with supernatural power you know it’s not a new thing; signs and wonders followed those that believe. And we have to judge ourselves and look back at the wake that we leave behind. Is there supernatural things happen in your ministry; or in your house or in your home? If there isn’t you’ve missed it; because Jesus declared that all those that believe signs and wonders follow them.” And He doesn’t need our intellect what He needs is us to enter into His death and be Christ crucified.
Sid: Patrick, let me tell you something, what you are touching on few people talk about. We’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast Mishpochah. Because you have been crying out to God for walking in the power; he’s going to tell you how because he has the goods. I want you ready, I want you in place for the last, for the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history.