Sid: I have my good friend Jonathan Bernis on the telephone; Jonathan is the head of Jewish Voice Ministries. And he has had a ministry that has had greater impact than all of the churches in America put together over the last 25 years. Maybe over the last 100 years and he’s not saying it I’m saying it. Because he’s gone out to the former Soviet Union. Over a quarter million Jewish people have heard a clear presentation of the gospel. Half of them at least have made professions of faith to the point where they’ve filled out a card where they filled out a card with their name and address. And Jonathan if there is anyone that I would like to share the misconceptions that unfortunately most Christians have about Jewish people it would be you. Let’s continue where we left off yesterday.
Jonathan: Well, Sid let me just recap for those that are tuning in today and were not with us yesterday. There’s a number of misconceptions that really hinder the gospel going forth to Jewish people. And I want to reiterate that Christians Gentile Christians have a Divine Biblical responsibility to bring the gospel to the Jewish people. If you will to return the favor that Paul speaks about in Roman’s chapter 9 where he says it’s because of the Jewish people that you have the Patriarch’s that you have the glory of God; that you have the scriptures themselves and ultimately the Messiah who came through the Jewish people. And he says that “There’s a debt of gratitude that’s to be repaid by provoking the Jewish people to jealousy.” And unfortunately there’s a 2000 year legacy of simple provoking the Jewish people in the Name of Christ and Christianity and we have to over come that 2000 year history of misconception and hate in the Name of Christ. Now there are hindrances that are keeping Born Again Spirit-filled Christian’s from sharing their faith with Jewish people. The first one is a fear to share with a Jewish person out of a misconception that they will know the scriptures better than they will. And so who am I as a Christian to share with the Jewish people who brought us the scriptures who have this deep knowledge and revelation of God. And it’s absolutely false, nothing could be further from the truth (Laughing). And I laugh every time I hear this because very few Jewish people less than 10% of the Jewish community in the United States read the scriptures. I didn’t have the slightest clue about who God was or salvation, or the Messiah when I became a believer. And Sid I have people lining up, Christians lining up to ask me questions as the Jewish scholar and you know I was too prideful to say I didn’t know so I made up answers.
Jonathan: They would come back to me and say “I found something different here than you told me.” And I mean it was embarrassing. So that’s one very very important point to mention. I want you Christian listener to realized that 90% chance or better that the Jewish person that God has put across your path does not know the scriptures. They don’t know Isaiah 53, they don’t even know who Isaiah is. So you need to understand that is a misconception and you need to share with the Jewish person as you would share with anyone else that needs God and does not understand His path of salvation through Messiah Jesus. The second misconception is that Jewish people have their own path to God. That they do not need Jesus as Savior; that Judaism itself as a religion is complete and has a path of salvation. That is a doctrine of devils, it is absolutely false, the Bible’s clear that “There’s one Name given under heaven by which we must be saved.” And it’s the person of Jesus or Yeshua or whatever you want to call Him. He is God’s only plan for the Jew and Gentile. In fact Paul wrote as Apostle to the Gentiles in Roman’s 1:18 that the gospel is “The power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.” So that is a very very serious misconception. Jewish people need Jesus, need Yeshua, need Christ the Messiah for salvation the same as anyone else. What’s another misconception Sid that I talked about let’s see theres…
Sid: Well, you didn’t talk about this but I can tell you something that is really the worst, the pits is what’s known as Replacement Theology. Somehow the Christian has replaced the Jew.
Jonathan: Many Christians believe and this is taught Sid and this is shocking to me, this is taught in Evangelical Charismatic or Pentecostal Christianity by well meaning teachers. I believe that they’re well meaning but they’re really are deceived. And this is a teaching that’s been passed down through the church for 2000 years now; almost 2000 years. That because the Jewish people rebelled against the prophets and God, because of their rejection of Jesus 2000 years ago that God has finished with them, He has rejected them and now He has replaced them with a new people the church, or Christians or Gentiles or whatever. Paul states unequivocally God is not finished with the Jewish people. Has God rejected His people he says in Roman’s 11:1 “God forbid.” And then he points to himself he says, “I myself is an Israelite, a Jew and God has not forsaken me.” And then he repeats the second time “God has not rejected his people.” Jeremiah 31 verses 35 – 37 couldn’t be any clearer “As long as the sun shines by day and the moon and stars shine by night they declare as a testimony, as a visible testimony that I have not rejected my people Israel sayeth the Lord; and only if these cease to be will Israel cease to be a nation.” Could not be any clearer. Now there’s various forms of replacement theology as simple or as naive as Christians believing that Jewish people have all rejected the gospel so there’s no reason to share with them. False, again it’s a deception from Satan, and my friend God has put that Jewish person in your path for a reason, am I right Sid?
Sid: For sure, but there’s another question, have you ever heard the misconceptions the Jews killed Christ?
Jonathan: All, the time as a matter of fact many many friends have as part of their testimony that they went through their childhood being spit upon, being hit or ostracized, beat up because they were blamed for killing Christ. Again, a misconception and a lie. The Bible is very very clear that Jesus laid down His life for us. Who killed Jesus? We all did.
Sid: You know the greatest summary that I’ve found Jonathan on that is Acts…jot this down Mishpochah Acts chapter 4 verse 27 tells you who killed Jesus. This is what it says “For truly, against your holy servant Jesus whom you anointed both Herod…awe he’s the guilty party and Pontius Pilate with the Gentiles, oh it’s the Gentiles that did it and the people of Israel. Well, if you get the Gentiles and the people of Israel together you got the whole world!
Jonathan: Yeah, we’re all responsible. And also 1st Corinthians 15 is very clear. Paul says “That which I receive I pass on to you how Jesus died for our sins according to scripture.” What scripture Sid, Isaiah 53 He laid down His life, He was pierced through for our inquiries and by His wounds, or by His stripes we are healed.
Sid: Jonathan let’s move to another area for a moment, you had said to me that you were witnessed to as a young man; you went to a camp called Young Life but people were afraid to ask you to receive the Lord. Then you went into you know into college, you got involved in drugs and dealing and you had a friend a druggy friend by the name of Susie and one day you walked into some place and you bumped into Susie and what happened.
Jonathan: My goodness Sid I’m going to invite you to some churches I’m supposed to speak at to give my testimony.
Sid: That’s my thing.
Sid: I know your testimony, I think better than you do but go ahead.
Jonathan: I’ll take a vacation. Susie, when I bumped into Susie it was undeniable that there was a radical change in her life. She had been a drug abuser, she was a…had dropped out of college, she was emaciated when I left seeing her on her way to an early grave. But when I saw her months later on the street she was glowing; she looked healthy, she looked clean and I could not help but ask the question “Susie what happened to you?” And she told me and she told me, and she told me. I mean I regretted ever having asked her because every night she’d call me and tell me how Jesus had changed her life, delivered her completely from drugs. And I’m talking about a drug abuser; a drug addict completely delivered from drugs cleaned up and all she talked about was Jesus Sid and I was…I became her number one target. And she did not stop until I finally went to a Bible study with her where I almost without realizing accepted Jesus into my heart.
Sid: You know Mishpochah has hit on the nerve, the best way to reach Jewish people with the gospel are changed lives, signs and wonders. That’s what grabbed his attention. Good stories Jewish people will read.
Sid: Now I’m speaking all this week to Tommy Almonte who was born in the Dominion Republic but a young age went to the United States; backslidden and had an encounter with the Holy Spirit and he says everyone could and should and must. But a question comes to mind for many of our listeners Tommy and that is you talked about the wonderful relationship you have with the Holy Spirit what about Jesus, what about God the Father do you talk to them.
Tommy: Yes I do and it wasn’t until I feel like in the beginning of my relationship with the Holy Spirit He did introduce me in a way to Jesus and God the Father. Because He wanted me to get it; meaning He wanted me to know that not only did He want to have intimacy with me but He was the person that was standing by Jesus to lead us into the presence of Jesus. And once I realize that I remember one day I walked in to spend time with the Holy Spirit and I felt myself in the presence of God. Now when I say in the presence of God I mean literally I was standing quite a distance maybe 2 or 3 yards a way from the throne of God and He said to me “Hold my hand and as I hold His hand He started walking closer to the throne of God. In the distance I knew that there was someone sitting in the seat of the throne. And someone standing next to Him and I’m walking closer and closer and I felt myself standing literally before God Almighty and Jesus. You know any time I had this encounter with God I never had any encounter with God that’s outside of what’s in the Bible. The Bible says that the Father is seated in the throne in Heaven and that Jesus is now at His right hand and is seating. And as I was standing there the Holy Spirit released my hand and I was standing there. He was standing behind me the Holy Spirit and let me go and take a couple more steps and Jesus came down from..He was next to the Father, He walked towards me and He said “We want…we want you to have a ministry where you can touch people. And He shared a couple of other things there that were more personal. And while He was speaking to me I laughed, but I laughed out of unbelief because He was saying speaking things into my life that were not yet in place.
Sid: Can you tell me one thing that just seemed outrageous to you at the time.
Tommy: Well, as He was speaking to me I was able to see what he was saying He said you will be able to ministering to 100′s, 1000′s of people and I laughed. And my laugh was more on unbelief and when I laughed it was the first time that God Almighty had spoken. And I asked Jesus “How do you plan to accomplish this? Now here I’m in the presence of God Almighty and I look to Jesus and I say “How do You plan to accomplish this?” My question was more out of fear; I was saying I”m not capable of doing what You said that I’m going to be doing you know. All of my…you know as you’re growing up you have all these views of who you are and a lot of those you know are negative you know…
Sid: Of what you can’t do.
Tommy: Of what you can’t do right and speaking of things that I was able to do that I just couldn’t see how that was going to come into place.
Sid: Did He tell you that you would have a deliverance ministry?
Tommy: No, he says that you will have a ministry that would touch 100′s of 1000′s of people. And at that point I just said “Well, I don’t know how…and literally I verbalized that “How do you plan to do that? And God Almighty He was quiet the whole time and He said “I’m in control.” Now you have to understand when he speaks in Heaven, Heaven stops.
Tommy: Everything in Heaven comes to a pause, I felt like everything that was taking place in Heaven stops, His voice was…the only way that I could describe the voice of God is like a train that is coming down and along with the train there is mighty waters are coming down. And for us it’s like thunder, His voice is such that when He spoke; whey He say “I’m in control.” Everything stopped and you can sense in the spirit that everything has stopped. But when He said that I realized that my question to Jesus was a question of questioning whether they were capable of doing this. And here I’m in the presence of God and I’m questioning whether they were capable of doing what they were saying it was going to happen in my life. But when I came back into my room I was numb physically I was numb for about 3 days. The first day I literally I said to my wife, “I can’t feel my legs that I’m numb to the point that I’m walking but I don’t feel like I am walking. My hands were numb, my face as numb; after 3 or 4 days slowly it started to fade away into my same normal feeling on my flesh.
Sid: Any idea why this was going on?
Tommy: You know all I can say is that our flesh, our flesh is flesh and when you’re in the presence of God that His presence is such that your flesh cannot stand it. It literally…being in the presence of God your flesh…I mean our flesh was not meant to be in His presence and so you know anytime that I go in the presence of God when I come back into the room I cannot feel my flesh. Now it’s not like the first time it happened but my flesh is numb and I can feel like it takes hours to come back into the normal feeling of my flesh and to be honest I can’t explain other than our flesh when it’s in the presence of God it has to you know it has to bow to the presence that’s greater than what our flesh has ever encountered.
Sid: Tommy you told me that the Holy Spirit had a message for the people that are listening before we started this week; would you tell me what the Holy Spirit said.
Tommy: You know I was thinking about talking to you Sid you know that the Holy Spirit wanted me to let everyone know that we were not created we were not created for salvation. In our mind we think that once we become saved and we ask Jesus to come into our hearts that’s the end of the rope. But that’s not why we were created. We were created for intimacy; it was the purpose why you and I were created to have an intimate relationship with God. I feel that sometimes we settle for less; because once we accept Jesus Christ we say “Well, we have all I need and this is where I’m going to stop.” And the Holy Spirit is saying to you “Don’t settle for less.” I believe and I know that when we die here on the earth that level of intimacy where you end here on the earth is the same level of intimacy that you will carry to Heaven. If you have a close relationship with God here on the earth, that is the same level of intimacy that you will carry and breathe into Heaven. Some of us are going to have to go to the beginning of getting to know God because…
Sid: You know what someone told me and I’m curious what your spin is on this “That wherever you start in Heaven people that start a head of you you will never past those people.
Tommy: You will never past those people.
Sid: God told you that.
Tommy: And this is why, if I know you Sid for 20 years and someone comes and meets you today for the first time the gap of relationship between 1 and 20 years is such that if I continue to move forward within that relationship with you…
Sid: Oh, I’m sorry we’re out of time but I catch what you are saying…
SID: Well I’ll tell you. If I had had the vision that David Jones had, I wouldn’t need some uncle to tell me to serve God. I would be running to serve God. But David, he becomes a Marine. He’s interested in his life. He was continually, continuously going down, down, down. And one day he’s at work. Someone invites him to go to church with him and he had an accident that almost cost him his life. What happened to you?
DAVID: The boss brought me a big old check. And I said, “Me and my brother were going out and partying tonight.” And I thought about it. And then I said [to myself], “No, I’m not going.” I made my mind up not to go. I fell on the conveyor and I tried to lift myself up, Sid, but I had no strength. Then God Himself allowed me to hear my heartbeat. I said, “Oh no.” I started fading out and I wanted to lift myself up, but I had no strength. I said, “Oh no, please.” I began to pray, “Give me another chance, Lord, please, please Lord. I’ll go with this man. Give me another chance.” And I came back and all the people were around me and said, “Are you all right?” Don’t do me like this. I’ll go with this man to church. The next thing I know, I’m going home, I’m getting ready. Here comes my friends, coming to party. They were like, hey man. I said, I went out on the porch. I said, “Hold it. I’m not going with you guys today.” I said, “I’m going to the House of God. You all know I almost died today.” And they were like, what? They said, “It’s Friday. It’s our party night.” I said, “God can keep my heart beating and I’m going to the House of God.” And I went. And I sat in the back of the church and the preacher was preaching. And as he began to preach, all the conviction started hitting me. And I said, I got to save myself. And so I got up and as I started walking towards him all of a sudden, Sid, the devil said, “Get out of this church. Run out of here. Get out of here!” And my legs began to get weak. And I was like, no, no, I know what’s right. I’ve been brought up in church as a little boy. I remember. I remember. And when I got to him he said, “Son, do you want to be saved?” I said, “Sir, yes sir, I want to be saved.” And I went to grab his hand and all of a sudden the power of God hit me and I flew straight back. But when I hit the floor, there were no ushers there to let me down easy. But it was like falling on a bed of cotton. Then all of a sudden the girls were looking at me. Back then, I thought I was a cool daddy. And I said, let me get off the floor with these beautiful girls looking at me. Then the supernatural began, and it began in my belly. Then it got in my chest. Then it got in my throat. Then my tongue began to cling to the roof of my mouth. Then I began to hear myself speak a heavenly language. That’s the spirit of God. Pretty soon I didn’t care about those girls. All of a sudden, I started experiencing such joy, such peace I had never experienced before. I was addicted to crack cocaine, acid, mescaline, THC, alcohol. But God delivered me. Now I have a joy and a peace I’ve never experienced before. And I got off the floor and I was just speaking in my heavenly ways. And then the ushers were trying to grab me. The pastor said, “Let him go. God has him now.”
SID: Okay. Now what happened to your alcohol addiction? What happened to your drug addiction?
DAVID: Totally gone. Instantly healed by the mighty God of Israel.
SID: I’ll tell you, when God can take someone like him and flatten him on the floor, have him speak in a supernatural language and get delivered, and have him, now it’s been like 25 years you’ve been in ministry.
SID: But I’m going to take you to February 2012. What happened to you?
DAVID: Well I got up to go use the restroom. And as I was coming back and I was getting back in bed, it’s like someone grabbed me by the arm and shook me. Next thing I know, I’m catapulted into an open vision and I’m hovering about 200 feet over the earth. And I can see all the beautiful skies and the sun, and all the happiness, people going to and fro, mothers with their children going into the grocery stores, people pumping gas, businessmen with their ties and briefcase going into the buildings. And all of a sudden, a thick darkness and clouds started appearing upon the earth. And then all of a sudden there was a sound from Heaven, a sound that I have never heard before in all my born days. It was like seven claps of thunder uttered into one. The sound was so deafening, not only did it pierce the ears of all mankind, but it began to pierce them that when they heard it their bodies began to shake and quake. This sound was so deafening, people began to scream. Then all of a sudden like someone took a razor blade and split the heavens, here come the Son of God with all his bands of angels and all of his glory. Oh Sid, and the colors were glorious, splendid, magnificent, glorious, the blues, the golds, the greens. I had never seen such colors like this. And he was coming speedily on the earth. Then people began to urinate on themselves and scream. And then one man said, “No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. I thought I had time. I thought I had time.” But too late. All time had ran out for all mankind. Another man, he was like an Indian guy, real short, he began to say, “No, no, no, this is a dream, this is a dream. I’m going to wake up.” But Sid, he couldn’t wake up because he was already woke. Then I heard a voice from Heaven say, “This is the day of the Lord! It has come!” And I came out of the vision, trembling on the floor, and I’m shaking and quaking within myself. And I began to pray for me. I didn’t pray for my mother, my wife, my children. I began to intercede for me because God allowed me to see such terror. Terror. We know God is love and He’s mercy, and He’s long suffering, and He’s gentle, and He’s kind. But Sid, there’s another part of God that mankind has not been introduced to, and that’s the terror of the Lord. Such terror, such horror. And I began to repent over my own life. Lord, save me. God, forgive me. Because He allowed me to sense what everyone was feeling. And I began to repent. Because I said, “God, I want to be pleasing to you, Lord. If I have hurt you or come against you in any shape or form, please forgive me, Lord. Lord, please allow me to be counted worthy to go back with you. I have seen the Day of the Lord.” Then the Lord spoke to me saying, “I charge you now to warn all mankind,” and said it like this, “I’m coming, I’m coming, I’m coming, I’m coming. Whether they would believe you or not, give them warning from you. Whether they receive you or not, give them warning from you. For the day of the Lord is at hand.”
SID: You heard that. Now what are you going to do about it? I’m going to tell you something. If you are lukewarm, you are backslidden and you are not prepared for the Day of the Lord, you are either going forward red hot for the Messiah or deceived. No in-between. Believe that Jesus died for your sins. Repent. Tell him you’re sorry and believe that he has washed your sins away as if they never existed. And then say, “Jesus,” with your own words, “I make you my Lord. Come and live inside of me. I make you Lord of my life.” Do that now. God has given you a very strong charge to tell people. But simultaneously God is telling many people even that are not believers in the Messiah the same thing. For instance, orthodox Jews in Israel are being told that we are in footsteps of the coming of the Messiah. In other words, they know something is up in the air. About the same time that David had that dream, I had a dream. And in my dream, you know, I wasn’t even, David, I wasn’t even thinking about this. It didn’t cross my radar. If someone had said to me, the Lord is coming back soon, I would have said, yes, I believe that. But you know, I’m 73. In my heart of hearts, I’m not sure I really believe that. You’re supposed to say he’s coming back soon. You’re supposed to live like he’s coming back soon. But there just seems to be so much that has to be done. But it’s not up to my peanut brain. It’s up to God. And this is what God showed me in the dream. He said to me three times, “I’m coming back soon. I’m coming back soon. I’m coming back soon” David, between you and me, what did you believe in your heart about the Lord’s return? I mean, between the two of us.
DAVID: Well I didn’t think it was close. I mean, according to all the scriptures and the Revelation teachers and the scholars, I knew it was gonna come and I wasn’t sure. But now I’m absolutely sure that He’s coming at an hour and at a time when man least expects it.
SID: What should someone do that’s just heard this message and believes it’s from God?
DAVID: Set their house in order. Whatever they need to do for God they must do quickly. If they need to ask for forgiveness, they better do it quickly. If they need to go to their mother, father, sister, brother, ask for forgiveness, they need to go get things straight before it’s everlasting too late, because the terror of the Lord is like something I never seen in my entire life.
SID: Okay. Let me take you. I know you’re living a holy life. I know that you love God. Right after that open vision, what did you do?
DAVID: I began to repent and cry out to God.
SID: But you repented. I know you. You repented way before a vision like that.
DAVID: Not like this one. Not like this one. Because he made it so real to me. It was so real and it was so overpowering and overtaking that men and women could not even think straight when it happened. And He came so suddenly just like He said He would.
SID: Why is there so much urgency in giving this message? I mean, I’ve never seen someone with such a compulsion like it, an urgency in your voice. Why?
DAVID: Because there’s an unction within, inside of me that I don’t have much time. You don’t much time. We don’t have much time. And I must preach it and I must proclaim it just as Noah did for 120 years it was going to rain. But they turned a deaf ear to Noah. They didn’t believe that man of God. But the Bible said, God said unto Noah, “Come you and your family into the ark. For He opened up the windows of Heaven. And the windows of Heaven poured out a water upon the land. And everything that breathed through nostrils died just like God said it would.
SID: When you share this message, things have happened to people, have you ever seen people that just moan and wail, and run forward?
DAVID: Sid, I was invited to come preach a week revival. I ended up preaching 21 days. While I was preaching the first night, people began to wail. Football players began to wail, running to the altar screaming, children, teenagers wailing and repenting, and a lot of them were Christians. The pastor himself, mighty man of God, and his wife just ran towards him and said, “Have mercy on our souls, O God. Spare us. Forgive us, O God,” and fell to his face. I had never seen such conviction before in my entire life.
SID: You were telling me about an evangelist that was one at one of your meetings. What happened?
DAVID: Well after meeting, you know, first of all, when I did the altar call everybody came: the pastor, the church, the wife, everybody. The guest ministers, everybody came. And this evangelist left the meeting, and you know, this is exactly what he said, “David scared the hell out of me with that message.” He had stopped preaching. He wasn’t preaching. Next thing you know he started preaching, doing revivals. Eight months later, he died.
SID: Did you just hear what he said? Did you just hear what he said? You see, the Bible says, you do not know when your end will come. Eight months later, he died and all, there’s someone looking at me right now, and you think that you’re all alone. No. The reason that you’re watching this show is for this moment. You think God isn’t interested in you? He has you watching us right now for this moment. It’s your life. It’s your eternity. It’s your purpose. I have to tell you this. If there was no fear of not knowing God, no fear of going to Hell, I would serve God because He’s pure love. I would serve God because compared to knowing God, that’s everything. And compared to everything that’s nothing. I want you to choose this day who you are going to serve. But as for me and my house, we’re going to serve the Living God.
Sid: I have got on the telephone Felix Halpern; I’ve been talking to Felix and his wife Bonnie; both are Jewish and both understand the One New Man. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that Felix whose father was a Holocaust survivor. His grandfather was a Rabbi in Germany; literally he was raised to almost deny his Jewishness; to not talk about his Jewishness because of the pain that his father went through. But when he became a believer in the Messiah he prayed a strange prayer to God. He said, “God restore to me the ability to see the scriptures through my grandfather’s eyes.” Then God spoke audibly to him; I mean when you say audibly Felix was it really loud?
Felix: Sid it was as real as we are speaking on the phone right now. It’s as if you would bend down and speak right into my ear; it was that real and it was very firm and it was very direct and it jolted me out of my sleep at 3:00 AM. And I went to ask my wife “What did you say?” And she was sleeping and I had to wake her up. I remember even as we speak as clear as the moment that it happened. And what was so confirming to that event were the supernatural doors that began to open.
Sid: Before you state that tell me the exact words you heard.
Felix: “I am calling you to the Jewish people;” as simple as that. I am calling you…
Sid: But wait a second you and your wife have a nice ministry to the street people and you’re satisfied in your satisfied in your ministry. This is a real change especially with your mentality.
Felix: Exactly but the truth of the matter is I had never been satisfied, the interesting thing about my journey through the life of the church at that time. We were involved in many, many ministries within the church itself and involved in lay leadership. And when I look back I see the Lord’s hand on it how He blessed it. But within a very short period of time it never held me; I was always a sense of discontentment even in the midst of the blessing there was something that did not really hook my heart and my entire being until the Lord called me back to our people.
Sid: I got a question if in one sentence you were to tell me or a couple of sentences what is the best way to reach Jewish people with the gospel what would you say Felix?
Felix: I believe number 1 what our people are looking for are Jewish people that have intimate and passionate relationship with the God of Isaac, Abraham and Jacob. That it isn’t so much in the abundance of the words that we speak but it’s the life that we live. When Yeshua said “The Kingdom is upon you I believe that Kingdom brought a quality of life that life that was filled with the supernatural; the empowerment over sickness and disease” and what He intended for us needs to be manifested in our life. Because that is what truly connects to a Jewish person. Because the Jewish person has a DNA within them to connect with the Kingdom of God. And that is associated with the power of the Kingdom; the signs and wonders of the Kingdom and this is who God is.
Sid: Do you think that it has to do with the scripture “The Jew requires a sign?”
Felix: Absolutely, I believe we live in a day that one scripture that has always gripped me as the Lord was calling us to our people was “After this, I will return and rebuild David’s fallen tent.” There is a call bringing His people back into the tent of David. And in that tent of David there is intimacy with God; there is empowerment.
Sid: Isn’t that what everyone wants.
Felix: Everyone wants.
Sid: But most people that aren’t believers they don’t want anything to do with religion but they want intimacy with God. And I think that most Christians have sold God short not realizing that that’s what God’s heart is; He wants intimacy with them.
Felix: Absolutely, he wants to walk with us through the Ruach haKodesh the Holy Spirit as God walked in the garden. We have that ability and I believe that that is at the heart of millions of Jewish people’s pursuit of the supernatural but they go to the occult, they go to eastern religions. And as we speak here we have the real thing.
Sid: Speaking of the supernatural things you were at a prayer meeting you were praying for the Jewish people to know the Messiah and a strange phenomena occurred. Tell me about that.
Felix: Well, in between 1996 and 1997 shortly after we were swept into a supernatural revival of our own lives. In that year I was still working in New York, I was still active in the church. But obviously our whole lives had been undergoing transformation and God was doing an enormous work. Three things happened, one of those things in that period of time; I believe all go back to the God’s hands, his stamp upon our calling. And that was when we were in a prayer meeting we were with total four of us sitting down in our living room and I began to feel a heavy bead of oil on my head. And I was startled by that at first, at this point I didn’t open my eyes; I didn’t want to open my eyes actually I wanted to know who was pouring oil on my head.
Felix: But I didn’t want to open my eyes and it kept going. And then I began to experiment with this oil if you will. I said “You know what and I’m going to move a little to the left to see if this oil runs to the left.” And all along everyone was deeply in prayer and my eyes are closed and I would do the same thing to the right and then I would move back my whole body to see if it would run to the back. While this was all going on and within a second or two or within that time period we were coming out of prayer. And I was for some reason there was a fear that came over me because I didn’t know what was going on because I wasn’t sure if it was someone pouring oil on my head or not. But I began to share you cannot believe what has been going on. And they opened their eyes and they saw this oil and I began to relate my experience and at the same time the person that was there began to share the vision that she saw. And that vision was an angel in the center holding an urn anointing me for the ministry to our people. And again, once again there were signs and wonders and conformations following that supernatural sign.
Sid: Now you started a one a month healing meeting, what types of miracles did you start seeing?
Felix: Well, we saw people healed of prostate cancer; multiple sclerosis. One of the most dramatic events in our meeting was a Jewish man who for many many many years had been taking medication for every… 17 years in fact, taking medication for a half a dozen different ailments and he brought into the service that day two brown bags of drugs; 17 different prescriptions that he was on for years. And the power of God just came over him; we prayed for healing and we put those medications on the altar and from this day he takes none.
Sid: Hm. Would you put Bonnie on I have a quick question for her?
Sid: Bonnie we were talking about your healing meeting that was started and the miracles you began seeing but something that interested me is that about a year after God spoke audibly to Felix to go to the Jewish people you heard the name of your congregation. What did you hear?
Bonnie: Well, we were riding in the car my husband, my daughter and myself and we heard a word that sounded like the word “Chofesh.” Almost like a Hebrew dialect and we both said “What was that?” And neither of us said anything to each other and we knew the presence of God and we knew the presence of the supernatural and we felt obviously that an angel had spoken a word to us but we had no clue what the word meant. And so we asked people and nobody knew what it meant and we found a Hebrew teacher and at the Hebrew teacher and asked the Hebrew teacher what the word meant and she said “Freedom.” And we named the congregation “Beth Chofesh” House of Freedom not understanding the power of what that was going to be. Well after we named it that so many people got the name wrong they couldn’t say it so we decided we were going to change it three different times and literally a shaking went on within us. Fear to dare change that name and that was the name given by good because we do have a house of freedom.
Sid: You know most religion is made up of so many rules and traditions and bondages. It’s in Judaism, Islam and Christianity. This Freedom has got to get someone’s attention.
Bonnie: It’s amazing; it’s amazing but that’s what scripture tells us it would be. Because where the Spirit of the Lord is there’s Freedom.
Sid: I’m sorry Bonnie we’re out of time; we have enough freedom but we just don’t have enough time.
Sid: Guess what Mishpochah there is an outpouring of God’s Spirit just coming through your radio or through the tape or through the CD and in His presence all things are possible. There are people being healed of pains throughout their entire body; there’s for instance when I just started I saw someone is being healed and I say I saw I didn’t I heard. I heard someone has a pain in their neck if you will just move your head you’ll see that pain is gone. And there’s another person and it could be the same person also that has a pain in their back, and if you will bend over, oh it’s so wonderful the anointing is moving into the hip area. All pain must go the two cannot coexist. I’m speaking to Peter Horrobin; I have him on the telephone. He’s from Lancaster, England he has been in the healing ministry for 20 years and he has uncovered keys. You know there’s such a… Peter there’s such a presence of God on our discussion that I couldn’t help but move in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. On yesterday’s broadcast, which pray… I’m not apologizing what I’m saying is it’s the atmosphere to move in these gifts. And on yesterday’s broadcast you started a story of one of the first revelations that God gave you about physical healing; I wonder if you would repeat what you started and then finish it.
Peter: Yes as a young man I was restoring an old car which had been vandalized and set on fire. I wanted to rebuild this old British sports car and when I started down to the bashed steel chassis I saw that the chassis was bent. And actually I began to cry because I put a lot of work into this and I thought I’d never be able to restore this old car because the chassis is bent and it will never drive straight it will break and it will never work. And God sometimes gets to me when my defenses are down. It was at that moment that God spoke right into my spirit with these words and He said “You could restore this broken car but I can restore broken lives.” Then He asked me the question, “Which is more important? The fact that the car’s never yet been fully restored is the answer, broken lives are far more important than broken lives are far more important than broken cars.” God is able to restore them. He’s able to actually deal with the underlying issues that keep people in brokenness and those underlying issues can be totally devastating. Tell you about Linda she’s from Australia; she was a nurse who went out on a hike with her young people from her church and it was a night hike in the Blue Mountains. And as she was walking along this path at night in the dark she step one side and she didn’t realize that there was a ravine right by the edge of the park. She stepped into open space and she fell 35 feet onto jagged rocks, she broke her back in four places. A helicopter had to lift her out 10 hours later and she was number one headline on the news that night. Doctors did everything they could for her; you know 3 years later when we first met her she was in continuous pain; she couldn’t walk more than 25 yards without the pain getting so great she had to stop. She was registered disabled with the Australian government; she was on a lifetime pension; she’d lost all hope of ever getting married, ever having children. Her world was left at the bottom of that ravine. As she began to talk to her about healing you know we said to her “Linda would you like us to pray for you?” And she said “No thank you very much.” I said “Why not?” She said “Because so many people have prayed for me and I’ve not been healed, I don’t want to find out again that God doesn’t love me.” And that’s a very powerful statement, and she come unto self-condemnation that God can’t possibly love her because she hasn’t been healed. You know many people the key to their healing is an understanding of what needs to be done in order to receive the healing. You know scripture says “Without knowledge, without understanding people are perishing” and there are many people today that are perishing, they’re remaining sick because of they have actually not understood the keys. When we came to pray for Linda this accident and trauma is something we teach a lot into which were not what precisely what we’re talking about right now. But as we explained to her what happens in trauma she began to get understanding, her hope began to rise; and when we began to pray we came to the key issue. Have you forgiven the man who led you along that path, there was a youth leader at the church who never warned you that there was a ravine and she had never done so. And it was a hard thing to do because the whole of her life before her was ruined because of this. But she came to that place and she spoke out in that forgiveness and as she spoke out in that forgiveness the power of God came upon her and she began to be released for the healing. Two hours later we anointing her with oil for the physical healing as we dealt with a lot of deliverance of her infirmity and fear that had come in as she fell off the rocks. Then we watched as God did a miracle it was an absolute miracle; it was as if angels were manipulating her body.
Peter: Stretching out the muscles and the bones and putting them back into place, and then she stood up and she said “I am healed.” And she was able then to walk normally, she was able to do everything that she possibly could; and she then had a problem because being healed she also had a lifetime disability pension. And she thought “Well…
Sid: Well, some people would say “Well, that’s no problem but a lifetime disability pension there’s a little issue involved.”
Peter: There is she faced the temptation because Satan came to her said “Look you can now serve God for free.” And she realized that this was a real temptation but if she actually kept her pension she’d be actually living in deception; she was healed and she didn’t need the pension. And she went back to the Australian government and they had never before ever taken anybody off a lifetime disability pension. It takes three different consultants to actually independently assess whether or not that person could ever walk again or be healed of something like that. And they all said that she could never be healed. So they had to have three different medical consultants then to say “She is healed.” All three said she was and she came off that pension and went back to work as a District Nurse in the Australian and Outback. And while she was nursing she met the son of one of the patients she was calling on day by day and fell in love with him; married him and last September she gave birth to her first daughter. And her daughter was born on the exact date of her healing 8 years previously, it began with forgiveness.
Sid: Peter as you’re talking I think you might be able to help me with something I’m struggling with. What I’m struggling with is I really want to walk; my heart’s desire is to walk in what we call in Judaism the Shemah, “Love God with all my heart, spirit, soul, body, strength and love my neighbor as myself.”
Sid: And yet I see things that are wrong and I feel like with a public exposure such as I have I should state these things that are wrong. I guess it’s got to do with the subject of judging. Where does someone draw the line, do you understand what I’m saying?
Peter: Well, in the scriptures there are two different meanings of the word judge; there’s one which is the judgment, say you’re putting somebody under condemnation and there’s the other when you’re actually called to discern to judge things, to test things. We need to separate out between those two things and unless we actually test we are going to be deceived ourselves. From the scripture command we test all things and we must do that, so that we don’t just take everything said at face value we have to test it against the word of God. If what they’re saying is ungodly and in harmony with scripture then we have to reject it. But that doesn’t mean to say that we reject the person; we don’t condemn the person we may disagree with them and we can separate out between the sin and the sinner. And we don’t have to come…
Sid: Yes, but if I were to judge the sin that person is not going to be very happy with me.
Peter: No, God is the judge and we got to leave him; “Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord,” so the consequence of a person’s sin is actually ultimately God’s responsibility. We do have to discern and to ask the Holy Spirit to show us the difference between right and wrong; between truth and error so we don’t walk into it ourselves. Now we can exercise judgments against other people with our attitudes and our words and our thoughts. But there’s a scripture in James 2:12 which says “Speak and act as those that are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom because judgment without mercy will be show to anyone that has not been merciful.” So we need to be merciful to other people and to recognize that people they may come to their own conclusions they’ve not had the experience and the training the understanding that perhaps you’ve had. Therefore they haven’t got the ability to be able to make the decisions and the choices that you have. So we cannot be merciful on the Sunday, that doesn’t necessarily say that we have to agree with them.
Sid: Change subject just for a second, what about someone that is living in a continuously abusive situation such as a spouse or parents that are verbally assaulting them and hurting them with their words how does someone forgive if it’s on going?
Peter: Well, there’s two different aspects of this which Jesus referred to when Simon Peter said “How often do I need to forgive my brother?” Simon probably thought of a big number 7 times Lord. And Jesus smiled and He said “Actually Simon 70 times 7” which I’m sure you appreciate as a Jewish phrase in its own count.
Peter: It means, millions forget counting and so Jesus really saying to Simon look “Don’t even start to think about how often you need to forgive, now there’s two sides to this and both of them are very different and they’re very important. Some people are continuously having to forgive somebody because they keep on doing something wrong. Others there may have been only one terribly devastating experience in the person’s life, there might have been a terrible abuse or rape or something like that, and the circumstance in life keep on reminding you of it and you have to keep on forgiving. You may have to forgive a person many many times for the same thing, and there are those two different aspects. So somebody has had a devastating experience that seems to have destroyed most of their life; they need to keep on forgiving. Somebody else is in a continuous experience and they have to keep on forgiving what is actually happening. But you know there’s a difference between having to forgive, which we do; but also being able to put up Godly shutters and say “No more.” And some time there’s some very false teaching around in terms of forgiveness that says that “I have to forgive and continue to be abused.” There is no scripture which actually tells us…
Sid: Peter we’re out of time I want to pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Rabbi Felix and Bonnie Halpern. I’m speaking to them at their home in Wyckoff, New Jersey. And last month I had the pleasure of going to their congregation and getting to know them. And what you’re about ready to hear is going to be abnormal to most of you but according to my basis of truth; what is my basis of truth? The Jewish scriptures and because my basis of truth is the Jewish scriptures the Tanach I must receive the New Covenant because it’s spoken of through prophecy in the Jewish scriptures. So what you’re going to hear is normal and what many of you have experienced is abnormal just don’t reverse it. Now Felix your father went through a pretty tough time in the Holocaust. Tell me a bit about your family background.
Felix: Well, my father was actually a Holocaust survivor in that he was under the persecution of so many millions of Jews in Germany at the time of that regime. And he was 16 years old and smuggled out of Germany through the Dutch underground. Where he had received Yeshua Messiah in the Netherlands, but the rest of the family was killed in the Holocaust. My father was raised as an Orthodox Jewish boy; my Grandfather who obviously I never met was obviously an Orthodox Rabbi. And so for me that heritage it took many… it took years for me to come back into that heritage in that when my father received the Lord he truly did not want too much to do with his Judaism due to pain of the loss and the persecution of being Jewish.
Sid: And what I have is found that even children of Holocaust survivors somehow pick up a lot of the pain that their parents had.
Felix: Yeah, yeah well in growing up in the home any time the subject was broached and brought up my father would either walk out of the room or he would get very emotional. We were not able to discuss it in all the years of growing up with my parents; Judaism I can’t even remember in my past and the heritage that truly is mine and was ours was ever openly discussed. It was hidden, it was too painful for it to come out.
Sid: Now tell me a bit about your mom.
Felix: My mom was part of the Dutch resistance.
Sid: My goodness you got some pretty good genes.
Felix: Yeah, and they were actually resistance leaders who were instrumental in not only hiding my father but hiding Jewish people in the Netherlands at that time.
Sid: Now you got married in 1976.
Felix: In 1976.
Sid: And you had your own experience with the Lord in 1977; you were Baptized in the Holy Spirit and you began moving in certain gifts of the Spirit. Tell me about this.
Felix: Well, I had been… most of my exposure to faith was through a reformed theology but after the first year of being married the Lord began to stir my heart for more realizing that there was something deeply and clearly missing in my life. I had at the time I was working I was traveling on the road. I pulled over to the, what we have is a reservation here, a beautiful area. And I began to cry out to the Lord and ask the Lord to come into my heart and I became born again. At that point everything had changed at that point; and God had quickly swept us into a charismatic experience we began to speak in tongues, we began to prophesy in tongues immediate supernatural gifts began to manifest. That began to mature; that began to develop in terms of prophetic gifts and words of knowledge and so forth.
Sid: Now what type of work were you doing?
Felix: I was spending… well looking back to the last 26 years I was selling gold and diamonds; I had an office on 47th Street in the gold and diamond center in New York City. And I had been working with Chasidic and Orthodox Jews for my entire life.
Sid: Now when you… I don’t want to jump too far ahead of you until we talk to your wife Bonnie but when God called you out of business. Many people that are called out of business to ministry it’s unfortunate are not very successful in business. What was going on in your life we’re you having problems?
Felix: Contrary, I had a 6 figure salary which is great certainly in the world standards. I had been very blessed of the Lord for 26 – 27 years I had never been out of work. I always share often from my perspective looking back I never had a car payment; I never had an insurance payment. That we had all the benefits and all the…
Sid: When you quit with all these Orthodox Jews as your employers how did they react?
Felix: Well some of them were astounded; some of them just couldn’t believe it. Certainly the relationships that I had with them ceased with me immediately, and they wanted no contact with me at all. And only 1 or 3 a handful of those was an opportunity for me to share what had gone on. Because when I left people were wondering what happened and eventually word got out that I had become a Messianic Rabbi. I had been called to the Jewish people; I had become a Jewish man who accepted Christ and in their mind I had become a goy or a Gentile.
Sid: But before they even knew that when you resigned were they shocked?
Felix: They were absolutely shocked, the job that I had it was a wonderful career in the natural. When I resigned I resigned my position as Vice President of the company and they couldn’t believe what I was doing. But you know I had always connected with Moses in the Bible always in growing up. He was always deeply ingrained in my being. And as Moses in the scripture the Bible says that it wasn’t until he was in his mid-forties that he suffering of his people. And interestingly enough it was in my mid-forties that I remember clearly on 47th Street I began to weep and I saw the suffering of our people and I saw the need of having salvation in Mashiach to come into their life. And it was from that point on I resigned and it was done.
Sid: I’ll tell you what Felix I want you to put your wife Bonnie on; let’s get to know her a little bit. Bonnie Felix’s wife comes from a…
Sid: Hi. I was just talking a bit about you; you come from a conservative/reformed type of background.
Sid: Tell me a bit about, actually when you were 8 years old and this is highly unusual; you had a God encounter.
Bonnie: Hmm. Hm.
Sid: Tell me about that.
Bonnie: Yes, I did. I was in my room 8 years old in the bed at night supposedly asleep which I knew that I was wide awake. I was just laying there and I had a great white light almost a funnel shape; a cone shape narrow at the bottom above my bed up at the ceiling. And above that appeared to be what I considered it a male but I didn’t know by voice that it was a male. There was no face that I could see that it was a male but I knew that it was the presence of a male. And I just stared up at it and when I looked up it was enormous it just seemed to consume the whole ceiling. And I was in my bed and felt like the size of a little peanut; I felt very very tiny unusually like I was this little tiny thing in a storybook or something.
Sid: By the way were both of your parents Jewish?
Bonnie: Yes, both my parents are Jewish. My mom’s whole background her grandmother and everybody that lived with her were Orthodox, and the same on my dad’s side.
Sid: And you said that at Passover you were really one of these children that were really looking for Elijah to bring the Messiah; is that true?
Bonnie: Yes I always waited every time they opened the door I really thought somebody was going to come. I really believed it and…
Sid: You said you had a Jewish Passover; it’s traditional that someone opens the door just in case Elijah’s there to announce the coming of the Messiah. I’ll tell you the first few years I thought it was fun. But afterwards I approached it as many Gentiles approach Santa Claus. I thought that it was just make believe.
Felix: I thought it was make believe once I was in my teen years but up until then because they always used to fill Elijah’s cup and unbeknownst to me it was always empty. So I really thought that he had come and you know it was my parents who drank Elijah’s cup but I really believed it for many years.
Sid: Bonnie, we’re out of time right now but we’ll pick up with you on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah he is Messianic Jewish Recording Artist Marty Goetz and we’ve been playing selections from his CD all this week. As a matter of fact let’s start out with a selection called “Blessed is the Man.” And Marty I really relate to this because it’s from scripture “Blessed is a Man with a Vision.” And I pray that God would give you a vision as you hear “Blessed if a Man.”
Marty except of Sanctuary “Blessed is a Man.”
Sid: Marty you told me before we went on the air that you and your wife had recently been exposed to the teaching of a Bible teacher by the name of Leif Hetland and he talks about the Father’s love it had such an impact on you. Tell me about that.
Marty: Well, coming from my background and I don’t know if it had to do with coming from a Jewish background. Much of my believing life has been oriented to “How am I doing?” Is God pleased with me yet? And am I doing anything for the Kingdom of God that’s worthwhile.” And it’s almost been a bit of a bondage. And brother Leif came in and gave a message where he talked about the Poppa’s love and sitting on the lap of the Poppa. And no matter what he did it was an A+ because God was pleased with him because he was in the Lord. It was just a vibrant childlike message of Father’s love and the need to not do, but to just be. And ever since he gave that message and he declared a phrase “Deception is deceptive.” We can be deceived that we have to work and work and work and strive. And he gave us a message that the Father just loves us. He gave a testimony of his own life where he did a lot of works for God. But now he’s experiencing the love of His Father. Ever since I heard that message and the Spirit has been moving upon me ever since. And I now have a deeper sense of Abba, my heart cries Abba Father and I’m not stuck on performing for Him but rather resting in Him and just receiving His love. Working for His Kingdom out of that pleasure of His presence.
Sid: You know I like to use a word that most of religion has become a works mentality versus a freedom mentality. I believe that as I’ve been talking about the One New Man Congregation the wall of separation coming down between Jew and Gentile it’s not just a restoration of the Biblical festivals, it’s a restoration of the freedom that God wants us to have. I mean we’re not going to provoke anyone to jealousy through a bunch of rules and regulations and do’s and don’ts and bondage.
Marty: I agree and especially in Jewish ministry; I believe our people are waiting for the freedom and the liberty that comes from Yeshua; His Kingdom and not simply to be provoked to be more religious absolutely I don’t.
Sid: You know I did a Passover Seder with a mutual friend of ours Paul Wilbur. And he was singing and I was supposed to explain all the elements on the Passover plate and show how they tied in with Jesus. And I’ve done this 100′s if not 1000′s of times and the Spirit of God poured out in such a degree that we never even got to the plate. Such a shame God showed up and the purpose of these festivals are not the festivals. The purpose of these festivals are to have appointments with God.
Marty: Absolutely. And I would like to add one thing to that there are some who look down on these festivals and falsely say that they are a retreat into the law or putting people back into bondage. I believe what you are saying that the Spirit of the festivals is to celebrate the person of Yeshua and the presence of the Spirit among us. I believe that that’s one of the messages that’s going to be coming fourth in the earth In these days. That the entire council of scriptures from Genesis to Revelation is a celebration of the person of God and His presence among us, and those festivals point to that.
Sid: And you know and a lot of people say that well, we have the freedom but they literally spiritualize everything in the scriptures.
Marty: It’s part of my concern and I know it’s yours that people would misunderstand that. I do see a little bit of that; I do see people zealous to set us free and by being zealous to do that they’re in some sense demo-grating the thing that are made up in what we call the Tenach. The Torah, the prophets and the writings. They look down on it as if it’s something old to be done away with. And I believe that that’s incorrect teaching and I believe that one of the reasons that the Messianic Vision is so important is to infuse into this fresh revival and this fresh renew that’s in the land a deeper understanding of how scripture all ties together.
Sid: You know Marty you’re really describing the One New Man the church is getting revelation on the freedom and the grace. The Messianic Jews are revelation on the Biblical Festivals and one without the other is out of balance but you put those two together isn’t that the One New Man we’ve been talking about.
Marty: I believe so and I believe the world is still waiting to see the full demonstration and glory of that. Because that was what the Apostle Paul, Saul of Tarsus the Rabbi from Tarsus known as Paul had a passion for. Is that the world would see that the Jew and Gentile would see that together in Messiah full of the Spirit experiencing the blessings of His Kingdom and provoking Israel and the Nations to want to know Him.
Sid: You know I’m reminded when I first became a believer and we started something called Messianic Judaism that had actually existed before we started it but I had never heard of it and we knew nothing. We knew nothing, all we knew was Jesus was real and every week Jewish people were coming to the Lord, but since that time and it’s been almost 30 years now. Since that time, in the United States at least, there hasn’t been a move of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. And I happen to believe that we’re about ready for one of the greatest outpourings of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. And as these Jewish people get saved and come into the church this One New Man is about ready to explode on the scene.
Marty: I agree and I believe a renewal in the land through the Spirit from some of these wonderful teachers like Leif is going to help bring that about. Because that is what our people need; they need freedom from bondage; they need deliverance and they need salvation. Hallelujah.
Sid: And speaking of Hallelujah that’s hard for me to say it that way is that the Ashkenazic way or is it the Sephardic?
Marty: I just (Laughing) I guess it’s just kind of Biblical.
Sid: Now I sure hope what happened to my guest Bill Kent doesn’t happen to you to make you red hot for the Messiah. But here’s what happened to my friend Bill in May of 1985. He was riding his motorcycle and he had an accident with a train. At the worst state explain your physical condition Bill.
Bill: I went into cardiac and respiratory arrest 3 times and was back 3 times. Beyond that I suffered physical injuries including massive head injuries; blindness in the right eye because of optic nerve damage and spinal cord injuries that left me a quadriplegic for a period of 15½ years.
Sid: But you didn’t let that hold you down so to speak because you went on to a career in wheelchair sports, and according to my records here you won 39 gold medals. What sport did you participate in?
Bill: I was involved in shooting air guns at stationery targets and giving God the glory I borrowed a gun from the ROTC Department at Salisbury State University the evening before the competition the very first competition that I was ever involved in. Shot it for 20 minutes to adjust the sites; the next day went into a competition; the Maryland Wheelchair Games at Salisbury State University, and with the aid of God, was able to accomplish 5 gold metals and 5 national records.
Sid: Yes, but you did take a tail spin as a result of you know being a quadriplegic and was there any hope medically that you could get better?
Bill: The doctors said “No.”
Sid: Okay, so a lot of things were going bad in your life I mean you attempted suicide twice; what was going on?
Bill: Well, that was in 1994, I flipped over backwards in my wheelchair and broke my neck and at that point you know I was a born again Christian going to you know church on a regular basis serving the Lord. And at that point in my life when I had this accident I reached out to God for help; reached out to the church for help, and was basically you know without. And at that point you know I said “If this is the God that I serve then I don’t want to be involved.” So I cut off my relationship with God and the church and everything and just started living life the way I wanted to live it. And I’ll tell you what you want to talk about tail spin; you want to talk about complete failure; I couldn’t do anything right.
Sid: Well, according to what I read here you lost everything. Then in July of 2000 you were stuck at a friend’s house literally stuck because your van that you had was broken down.
Sid: And you had an encounter with God; tell me about that.
Bill: Well, it was in October of 2000 God spoke to me and said “Go to Columbus Ohio.” This was a continual message every day for like 2 weeks and I thought I was losing my mind.
Sid: Now when you say God spoke to you was it an audible voice?
Bill: You know it’s like it has to be a Spiritual voice but it was so clear and so concise and so strong that it could have been audible.
Sid: So one day you’re watching television and an evangelist comes on that you’ve never heard of he’s name is Rod Parsley; what happened?
Bill: I was watching the TV and Pastor Rod Parsley came on and his church is in Columbus, Ohio exactly where the Lord told me to go on November the 5th. But this was an infomercial about a debt burning service on October the 31st.
Sid: Well, that’s not going to do you any good
Bill: No, because my message was to go on November the 5th but before… I mean just as the program ended you know within about 5 minutes this power the Lord came on me and convinced me that I had to call the church. So I did and then there was an elder at the church that tried to convince me not to come because he didn’t want to see me disappointed in case I didn’t receive.
Sid: Well, I mean that’s a long hike for you to drive in your van that’s broken-down?
Bill: Well, the van had just been repaired; just had a new transmission put in it and I had spent every penny that I had. So I went to my pastor at the church and I explained this to him and he said “It sounds like you heard from the Lord so let’s see what happens.” And this was a Thursday evening and the pastor conducted his service and at the end he took up an offering. And at the end of that he came to me and he gave me this offering and said “This is what you need to get to Ohio.”
Sid: Could you have gone without that offer?
Bill: No, I could not.
Sid: Okay but you got a little but you got king of a down payment of what was coming; he prayed for you and what happened?
Bill: Yes, yes he offered to pray and he prayed and you know at the time I didn’t feel anything but you know it’s God’s time and not mine and not yours and not anybody else’s; it’s God’s time. And the next morning I woke up and I had an assistance dog and his name was Baron and he was a Dalmatian but I didn’t have any feeling on my right side. The next morning after the pastor; after Pastor Gurley had prayed for me I woke up to my dog licking my right hand; so the feeling had started to come back on my right side. I was being healed.
Sid: My goodness you must be really excited; so you head to Columbus, Ohio to Rod Parsley’s Church, a man you had never heard of till you happened to see him on TV until God told you that you had to be there on a certain date. Your headed there you’re about there and you make a phone call and someone answers from the church; what goes on?
Bill: Yes, it was a young lady from the prayer center at World Harvest Church answered the phone and I had called there to speak to an elder but the elder was not available. So this young lady offered to pray for me; and I’ll tell you she said one of the most awesome prayers that I have ever heard. I had never heard anything like it you know. That convinced me that this was the Holy Ghost. During that prayer for the first time in 15½ years I had sensation in the bottoms of my feet. The bottoms of my feet actually felt like they were on fire. This was God you know healing me.
Sid: You know you must have been getting pretty excited.
Bill: I was ah, if I… it was an experience that I can’t even describe; I mean you know I was so elated.
Sid: So you get to the church; what happens as you… I assume that you’re in a wheelchair?
Bill: Yes, I’m in a wheelchair; I go into the church with my dog and they usher me down into the D Wing Commons it used to be a cafeteria now it’s just a common area in the church; a gathering place. And I’m in this D Wing Commons and there’s this young lady in there probably 3 or 4 years old; a little black girl that is singing and dancing and twirling and I can’t make out what she’s singing. So I get closer and closer and then finally I interrupt her and she spins around and gives me a blank look. And I say “What are you singing?” And she said to me “I’m not singing, and I said “But you were you were singing and dancing.” And she said “No it’s not me.” And I said “Then who was it?” And without hesitation she said “Jesus.” And that just flipped me out; that just flipped me out you know it’s like…
Sid: She was saying the Lord was dancing through her.
Sid: And moving her body.
Bill: Through her.
Sid: Okay go ahead.
Bill: Yes and speaking through her and I was a born again Christian you know born again and baptized in the Holy Ghost in a Pentecostal Church so I believe in speaking in tongues. This little girl 3 or 4 years old I didn’t believe; I didn’t understand that it was possible for a 3 or 4 year old girl to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost. But she was singing in tongues. That was another confirmation that the Lord was in the House; then they take me into the sanctuary and the praise and worship starts; and it’s unbelievable. Before the praise and worship actually starts there was a young man that was the director of praise and worship at World Harvest Church and he made an announcement that it was going to be a miracle faith and healing service.
Sid: You didn’t realize it was?
Sid: I’ll tell you what hold that thought we’ll have you back tomorrow for one of the most authentic bona fide medically proven miracles of a quadriplegic walking. But I want to read from the New Living Translation Acts Chapter 20 verse 24; this is Paul speaking. “But my life worth nothing unless I use it for doing the work assigned me by the Lord Jesus; the work of telling others the good news about God’s wonderful kindness and love.” And then he goes on to say “No one’s damnation can be blamed on me for I did not shrink from declaring all that God wants for you.” I have to tell you that’s the way I feel, I feel that my life is worth nothing unless I tell people about the marvelous good news about what the Messiah of Israel did for me. And that’s why when you hear this I will have just returned from Israel with very high profile evangelistic meetings; I can’t wait to tell you about them. As a matter of fact there are many of you that have listening to me for years and have not read my testimony book. The title is “There Must Be Something More” because that was a song I wrote as a Jewish non-believer because people that write music or paint pictures that’s what’s going on in their heart. My heart was screaming “There must be something more!” But I didn’t see it in traditional Judaism and so I wondered into the New Age and the occult and almost lost my mind, my marriage, my life and God rescued me. I can’t understand a backslider I know what’s back there; there are so many people caught up in the New Age and they call themselves Christians or they call themselves Jews but they don’t realize what they’re dealing with. And that’s why I wrote this book…
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to understand who America’s next great enemy is, and understand because let’s face we are not being told the truth by any of the media, it appears there may be some exceptions. We do have the truth in the Bible, but how are going to judge where we are in end times, and how we should pray unless we get understanding. Understanding that’s why I interviewing Erick Stakelbeck you’ve probably seen him on CNN, or FOX, or Glenn Beck, or Bill O’Reilly, or Sean Hannity, or perhaps his own show, he’s an expert on the Middle East Islamic terrorism. You’ve probably seen him he’s the host on CBN of “Stakelbeck On Terrorism.” Erick on yesterday’s broadcast there is a group in the news this whole Arab Spring. You see it at the forefront almost as if they were organized to jump in and control the political scene, the Muslim Brotherhood. Most people don’t know who they are. If I go by what I read in the newspapers I mean is it true that this Muslim Brotherhood over the last calendar year or so has been at the White House over a 100 times, is that true?
Erick: Sid this is absolutely true and I lay it out in my new book that Muslim Brotherhood linked individuals, and in the book I name names. Groups and individuals that are linked to this totalitarian violent movement called the Muslim Brotherhood had been guests at our White House Sid, and they…
Sid: Wait till our people find out who they really are. On yesterday’s broadcast you started telling the history of them. Would you continue?
Erick: Sure Sid. This group was founded in 1928 in Egypt it is a global movement. The Muslim Brotherhood is present in some 80 countries around including right here in America. This is the most influential, the oldest Islamic radical movement Sid. So founded in 1928 in Egypt there founding motto, the creed they live by, today still, reads in part Sid “Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” This whole notion of martyrdom, of suicide bombings, it started with the Brotherhood. They spawned Al Qaeda Sid every major Al Qaeda leader from Osama Ben Laden on down before they formed Al Qaeda they belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas, which has killed American citizens, which is slaughtering Jewish women and children every day, they are the self-identified Palestinian branch of, yes, the Muslim Brotherhood. Now Sid in the 1930’s and 1940’s as the Brotherhood was getting off the ground in Egypt they collaborated closely with the Nazi’s. The Brotherhood worked with Hitler’s war machine to exterminate the Jews, to extend the final solution to the Jews of the Middle East. They also participated in the invasion of Israel in 1948 Sid joining the Arab armies trying to snuff out the miraculous rebirth of Israel. Anti-Semitism is one of the bedrocks of the Muslim Brotherhood. They are the vanguard of global anti-Semitism today Sid. In the book I call them Hitler’s heirs today.
Sid: Tell me just a little bit, whet our appetite you go into detail in your book, but tell me about the secret Brotherhood documents that were found by the Swiss.
Erick: Yeah Sid it has become known, these documents, as “The Project.” Now after 9/11 everyone’s sensors were up about Islamic radicalism, Islamic terrorism, and the Muslim Brotherhood has been the main driving force through the years of Islamic terrorism. So Swiss authorities raided the luxurious villa of a leading global Muslim Brotherhood operative, and they found a treasure trove of documents Sid and one of them caught their interest in particular. It has become known in intelligence and law enforcement circles as “The Project.” What The Project is basically is the Muslim Brotherhood’s blueprint to conquer the west, to conquer Europe, conquer America from within. One of their strategies Sid, and we’re seeing them do it to perfection here in America, is to get positions of influence. Whether it’s in the government, at the universities, in the media, get positions of influence, control the conversation, control the narrative. I’ll give you a great example Sid. With Palestinian suicide bombers I’ve interviewed Muslim Brotherhood spokesmen face to face this is how they frame it. They say “This is not terrorism what the Palestinians are doing to Israel it’s occupation, it’s resistance against illegal occupation.” That’s how they’ve been able to frame it, it’s just resistance. The poor Palestinian’s have no other choice but to blow themselves up and take Israeli women and children with them. It’s resistance to occupation. This is the kind of strategy that’s laid out in “The Project” Sid, and it enables the Muslim Brotherhood and their minions to control the conversation here in the west, and also to charm the pants off of western leaders who take what they say at face value.
Sid: Just out of curiosity how did they get so sharp, how did they start dressing like Madison Avenue coming up with PR techniques that are so outrageous I guess Barnum would call it “The Big Lie?” I mean how? (Laughing)
Erick: (Laughing)You know Sid they started… the Brotherhood from their inception I have to say early on in Egypt their founder a guy named Hassan al-Bana he did not wear the long robes he wore a suit. He would wear the old Egyptian fez, the old hat many in Egypt would wear, but he wore a suit. From the beginning they were able to kind a stand apart from the other movements that’s why they’re so diabolical Sid, so effective and so dangerous. The standard Muslim Brotherhood outfit a suit, a tie, all of them, most of them fluent in English many of them western educated eloquent. To the western English speaking media they say all the right things Sid “Yes we support democracy, yes we support the peace treaty with Israel.” When the cameras aren’t rolling and you get them in front of Arabic media the story is much different “Death to Israel, no democracy, Islamic Sharia law must rule over one and all.”
Sid: Okay the average American doesn’t know the flip side which you explain very articulately in your book “The Brotherhood America’s Next Great Enemy.” Certainly our administration knows what came out of your mouth, how can they in good faith call these people moderates? How can they entertain them in the White House a 100 times? How can the press be in awe of them?
Erick: Yeah I think when people read how I document this in the book Sid I think they’re going to pull out their hair in frustration. Look there’s 2 tracks here…
Sid: By the way, do we as a country financially support the Muslim Brotherhood?
Erick: Of course Sid, look when Mohamed Morsi, thankfully for only a brief period of time was the president of Egypt for about a year we were sending him billions of dollars in U.S., tax payer I might add, financial aid. So yes we have supported the Muslim Brotherhood around the world. Why do we do it Sid? There’s 2 tracks here:
- You have the state department bureaucrats the geniuses inside the Washington Beltway where I’m sitting right now. They see the Brotherhood as a counterweight to Al-Qaeda. They say “Hey the Muslim Brotherhood has changed ats spots they’re not bad anymore, they’re not blowing anyone up, yet. So let’s use them as a counterweight against the really bad guys in Al-Qaeda.
- I believe this includes President Obama himself is the revolutionary leftist kind of ideology that many in our administration unfortunately have. Which sees radical Islamist as an ally of sorts…
Sid: But wait a second how could a leftist pair up with some of the theology of Islam?
Erick: Sid this is such a strange phenomenon, I have an entire chapter about it in the book. Remember this hard-core leftist and hard-core radical Islamist many many differences of course…
Sid: Now just for our audience define leftist.
Erick: A leftist would be someone who basically in my view Sid a hard leftist wants a socialist state. Wants America to be a socialist country living by the precepts of Carl Marx; someone who is not fond of Judeo-Christian western civilization and wants to turn it on its head, turn the U.S. constitution at the end of the day upside down, and chip away at the traditions of America, the traditional family values and family structure of America. To me that is a hard-core leftist. The hard-core Islamist have a different strategy, a different goal but they share a common foe. Islamist leftist the common foe is again traditional Judeo-Christian western civilization. Both sides want to turn it on its head. Now the Islamist want Sharia law, the leftist I guess they think they’ll have some socialist utopia but they both despise traditional America. So they will work together strange as it sounds you’ll see them marching arm and arm at anti-war rallies. You’ll see the leftist, and not just hard-core leftist Sid I have to say common liberals especially here on Capitol Hill, just your average everyday liberal have carried the water of radical Islamist. I’ve seen it with my own 2 eyes at hearings on Capitol Hill. Just your average everyday liberal even…
Sid: But a liberal wants to have rights for homosexuals, rights for… I still can’t see them pairing together.
Erick: I know it is madness, but this is how slick and savvy the Brotherhood is. In these documents, and we talked about “The Project.” It literally Sid talks about working with leftist and those we don’t agree with…
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah. His name is Robert Gay; he’s a Pastor in Panama City, Florida. And Robert, someone that I really value in the Body of Messiah by the name of Bishop Bill Hamon. You were his Worship Leader; did the anointing on him because he is such a prolific prophet; did it rub off on you?
Robert: Well, I would hope that it did and I consider Bishop Bill Hamon my spiritual father. And we’ve had this wonderful relationship with he and Ma Hamon for over 25 years now. And we so appreciate the relationship that we have and we appreciate all the anointing and transfer that we have received from their ministry.
Sid: But of course it didn’t start there; it started because you had praying parents; you were raised in a Pentecostal home. And when you were just 11 years of age you received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And someone told me you couldn’t speak English for the next how many hours?
Robert: Well, my mother and father; actually it happened on a youth meeting on Tuesday night I went to this youth meeting and I did not go there with the intention of being filled with the Holy Spirit. I just was going to the youth meeting and they began to pray for people to be filled with the Holy Spirit. And there was a lady that began to pray and of course all the folks just began to gather around others that were being prayed for to receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit. But any way she began to shake a lot while they were praying so I thought that that was the thing that you were supposed to do so I just began to just shaking myself. And the next thing you know she turned around and said “I believe this little boy right here can be filled with the Holy Spirit and hands began to come from all different directions toward me. Any way I got baptized in the Holy Spirit; my Mom and Dad came to pick me up; I could not even talk all the way home because any time I would try to open my mouth tongues would come out. I went to bed that night just praying in tongues and it lasted that way until the next morning.
Sid: Just out of curiosity as a little 11 year old kid how does that little mind wrap “I can’t speak English anymore?”
Robert: Well, it was just one of the strangest things that had ever happened to me. I had an understanding; at least a partial understanding of what had happened but the only thing that I knew was that I couldn’t open my mouth without some other unusual language coming out. Of course being brought up in a…
Sid: I think I might have thought; I’m never going to be able to speak English again.
Robert: (Laughing) Huh I really didn’t know at the time but I would just my Mother and my Father they would ask me a question and I would not respond to them. I would just “Hm hm” because anytime I would try to speak anything that tongues would come out.
Sid: And another thing I like is you are a Worship Leader and you move in strong words of of knowledge and prophecy. But I love it because sometimes you sing it; tell me about one time you sang a prophecy and what happened.
Robert: Well; we’ve had a lot of different things that have taken place over the years. One of the things that I remember very vividly and I was ministering in a town that was right below Atlanta, Georgia. And as I was leading into worship the Lord; and this was back many years ago when the first began to do this at least manifest in this way through me. And I began to sing this and the Lord gave me what I call a song of deliverance; and I began to sing this. The words were “There is somebody here…
Sid: Could I get you to sing it; rather than tell me it?
Robert: Well, my voice was a lot better back then.
Sid: That’s okay, I’ll give you grace go for it.
Robert: But I began to sing “There’s somebody here you’ve misaligned a vertebrae in your neck but now the Spirit of the Lord is upon you and He’s healing you.” It was something like that; and it was very short and it wasn’t real long. Nothing what you would call great and profound melodically but at the end of the service there’s a lady that comes up to me; running up to me at the end of the service weeping and crying. And she said “When you sang that song I want you to know happened to me something is something popped in my neck. Said I’d been going to chiropractors for years, I’d been going to doctors for years. I was in an automobile accident; I’m on constant pain medication because of my neck and she said that when you sang that song something popped in my neck and every bit of pain left my neck immediately. I saw the pastor about four months later in a conference and he brought to my remembrance what had taken place. He said “Do you remember the lady that had gotten healed in the service with her neck, he said “Since then she’s not had one bit of pain medicine; she’s not had one thing what so ever; she hasn’t had to go back to the doctors and hasn’t experienced one bit of pain.” Nobody laid hands on her; no body did anything but it was just released through a prophetic song of deliverance. And it’s what I believe you know the Bible says that “He sent His Word and healed them.”
Sid: You know you had something so wonderful happen with your children. And as far as I’m concerned to have your children serving the Lord; that’s the most wonderful thing in the world. But when your daughter was about to be born in 1988 she has a sonogram and it reveals that your daughter is dead in the womb. What occurred?
Robert: Well, what happened is my wife began to bleed heavily and so she went to the doctor of course we had already found out and established that she was pregnant. She went to the doctor and they did a sonogram and whenever they conducted the sonogram and diagnosis came back that she had a blighted ovum. And a blighted ovum is basically where pregnancy takes place but then the embryo dies on the vine.
Robert: So you have the sack and you can actually see the formation of life but there is no heart beat and no activity what-so-ever. And she was bleeding real heavily and so the doctor said “We need to do a DNC and we need to do it immediately.” And so I could not actually could not go with her to the doctor that day so she called me at the office and I was at that time working with Christian International with Dr. Bill Hamon. And she was crying and weeping and she said “What do I do?” And I said “We’re not going to do anything as far as what the doctors say; we are going to stand on the word of the Lord.” Because what had just happened several months previous we had received a prophetic word that we were going to have a daughter who would be a dancer in the House of the Lord. And so Paul said “Take the prophetic word and war a good warfare with the word that you have received.” And so we took that word and we began to war a good warfare with it. And so whenever I got home that night I laid my hands upon her stomach and I said “You will live and not die.” And we began to declare that and we began to take that word those prophetic words that we had received about having a daughter who would be a dancer in the House of the Lord. And we just began to war a good warfare with those and about a month later all the bleeding stopped. And then she went back to the doctor and the doctor proceeded to do the sonogram and heard the heartbeat and literally jumped back at astonishment in the fact that there was a heartbeat that was actually there. And what we believe is that God actually resurrected her in the womb and she was born that year in 1988. And today she’s the head of our dance team.
Sid: So that prophetic word was from God.
Robert: Almost definitely; most definitely.
Sid: I mean it saved her life for starters.
Sid: I mean because you knew that she was going to be a dancer therefore you knew she was going to live.
Robert: Exactly, exactly and again any time you make and stand and you believe what God has said. Although we have promises in the written word; there was no specific word that I could go to in the Bible that said “I was going to have a daughter who’d be a dancer in the House of the Lord.” We would have had every reason just to believe whatever the doctor said and do what the doctor said. But we had a diagnosis; I call it a pre-diagnosis from Dr. Jesus saying “She is going to live and not die.” We had a pre-diagnosis that said that she would be a dancer in the House of the Lord and God resurrected her. And again today she’s serving the Lord and she prophesies in the Church and now herself has 2 children.
Sid: Well, as far as I’m concerned you are one blessed man. I mean your 3 children saved; filled with the Spirit; operate in the gifts of the Spirit. And your grandchildren I mean there’s no greater blessing as far as I’m concerned. But I am concerned that many people that are listening to us right now and they may miss the next great and maybe last outpouring of God’s Spirit on planet Earth that’s just about ready to hit us because they just don’t understand the Ten Commandments. Explain on that just briefly.
Robert: Well, I believe as a part of the New Covenant that we have to understand that grace does not separate us from the Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact I have taught this and believe this that grace actually ties it to us; ties the Ten Commandments to us to a greater level. In the Old Covenant of course what we know as the Ten Commandments were originally written on the tablets of stone. However Jeremiah begins to prophesy of a day that the day would come when God would write a New Covenant. And this is what he said “I will write my law upon their hearts and I will write it upon their minds.” So in the Old Testament the Commandments were of course “You shall not have no other gods before you; don’t steal; don’t lie; all these things. These are commandments that were written on stone that were then imposed upon the folks, the people that were under the Old Covenant. In the New Testament now we are actually tied to those Commandments to a greater level because they are now written upon our heart. So now they are Commandments that now motivate us to live righteously; they motivate us…
Sid: I’m sorry we’re out of time.