SID: Now it’s wonderful that Shawn hears from God so clearly, but can every person hear from God?
SHAWN: What I love about my life is that my parents just raised me to believe and they just nurtured the atmosphere. I wasn’t born under a sign. I wasn’t born like special. Some of the people you hear who have prophetic callings, like the whole world was against them, the universe was against them and they emerged in this victorious sovereign gifting, and I feel like they were sovereign vessels. But I feel like I represent kind of a new breed of just everyday people who are called to hear from God in powerful ways, and as we pursue him, First Corinthians 14:1, where it says, “Pursue love like your love depends on it and eagerly desire prophecy.” And that’s been my life. I’ve just been hungry that God would speak because I know what happens when he speaks and it causes everything to multiply and accelerate. Everything changes. All our opportunities change. So for me, I don’t think, like I’ve been around real prophets or sovereign vessels. I feel like I’ve had some of those demonstrations in my life. But when I go home at night I don’t feel like God is pursuing me like a prophet. I feel like I’m pursuing him out of hunger for who he is and it’s just a beautiful thing that I think everybody can have that.
SID: When you prophesy, what is going on with love in connection with prophecy? What are you trying to accomplish?
SHAWN: Well I’m trying to see someone in the original form that God created them to be before the delineation. I’m trying to see them like the best version of who they are, the best version of what God, Jesus paid a price for this amazing abundant life. So what would they look like if all of a sudden they were restored to that original plan if it was all the delineation was gone, all the sin, immorality, the character issues, the family issues, all that stuff was just not in the equation any more. What would it look like?
SID: We wouldn’t even recognize people.
SHAWN: We wouldn’t.
SID: Because God has, I guess he wants to get us as close to the original man, Adam, as possible and it is possible.
SHAWN: It is possible. That’s what I’m looking at and when I see that spiritually, something happens that connects inside of me where I start to see sometimes people’s birthdays by a word of knowledge because God thought of us for millions of years. He knew the day we were going to be born. And everybody loves a birthday, so if you say, is your birthday March 15th, someone goes, how did you know? How did you know my birth date?
SID: You prayed for people that have moved in to knowing dates?
SHAWN: Oh yes. So many people, thousands of reports now, thousands of reports of people knowing dates, anniversary dates, birth dates, phone numbers, social security numbers, bank account numbers, secret information you cannot research. Some people say, you can get it off Facebook. Not really. There is so much you cannot research that God is giving us right now. I mean, one of the billionaires that I met with, he at one point admits…
Man 1: I’m actually not a believer. I believe Jesus was a historic figure, but I really don’t believe in God. You don’t actually believe that Jesus is like real today, do you?
Man 2: I don’t even know how to answer that. I can’t get into a theological debate right now. I have something.
SHAWN: I took the biggest risk I had to take it at that point, and I started to say a 25-character long thing. I didn’t know what it was. I thought it was like…
Man 2: 101-ED#674237654299.
Man 1: That’s our most private bank account number. Even you don’t know it.
Man 1: Only the banker and I know this.
SHAWN: He got saved because I knew his banking number that no one could have researched.
SID: I’ll tell you, I am excited that Shawn has this gift, but I have even greater excitement that did you hear what he said? Thousands he knows when he prays get these gifts. Tell me about the prostitute in Hawaii.
SHAWN: I went, I was walking down, I was in Honolulu on a trip and I was walking to get a Subway sandwich. It was like 10:00 at night and they had put me in a beautiful condo, but it was right outside the red light district, which thank God, I’m used to red light districts. Our team ministers had them. So we’re walking right at the beginning of the red light district.
Man 1: Hey bud, you want something?
Man 2: No. I am hungry for some sandwiches.
Man 1: Want a girl?
SHAWN: And he pointed at a girl who was 16 years old on the steps with two teenage boys, and I could tell just from our work with prostitution that she wasn’t in the game very long if at all. And so I looked at her. It just concerned me. I just had this father’s heart hit me like if that was my daughter what would I do. She’s a runaway on the streets. I just had a discernment of knowing, you know. And I walked over to her and I said hey…
Man: Can I talk to you for a minute.
Man: I’m a pastor, a Christian. I believe God thought of you millions of years before you were ever created. What do you want to do to with your life?
Girl: I don’t know.
Man: Okay. Close your eyes. Repeat after me. God thought of you for millions of years.
Girl: God, I know you thought of me for millions of years.
Man: What did you create for me to do?
Girl: What did you create for me to do?
Man: That you would find the most joy in?
Girl: That you would find the most joy in? [scream] I just heard something. I’m supposed to be a cook.
Man: Like a chef?
Man: Do you like cooking?
Girl: I don’t know.
SHAWN: Okay. Let’s pray again. Let’s ask God for one step towards that you can make this week so you can change your whole life. She goes, okay. She prays and she goes, “I’m supposed to call my uncle.” And I said, “This is awesome. Why would you call your uncle?” She goes, “He has a diner. I think he’ll hire me and he might give me a place to sleep and a place to live.” And I said, “Do you promise to call. Here’s my phone number.” We exchanged phone numbers and the boy next to her was, “I want a dream.” [unintelligible] And we agreed on something, and he actually heard, “I’m going into the military,” which he did. So six months later, she calls me.
Girl: My uncle wants to open another diner with me.
Man: Are you going to college for business administration?
Girl: No. We’re opening it next month in the bowling alley. He’s giving me 50 percent ownership.
SHAWN: Just 17 years old and is a co-owner of a diner. She was a prostitute.
SID: You see the transformation. If that were you helping that prostitute who’s going to end up dead someday and transforming her to who God originally intended. What do you mean, by the way, your book is called “Translating God”, what do you mean by “translating God”?
SHAWN: You know, I go to a lot of countries, and I go to a lot of translators, and there’s good translators and there’s bad translators. Most of the time I have really great translators. And it’s amazing we have a good translator because they’re communicating the whole heart essence of what you’re saying. They’re almost like symbiotic with you. They’re part of your heart in that moment and they’re not thinking the whole time. They’re actually just clearly communicating the articulation of your heart and I felt like God was saying, “I want you to be my translator. I want you to translate my heart to the earth’s right now, not just my language, not just be a parrot and repeat the words.” There was an old school mentality of the prophetic, just deliver the mail, don’t look at it. God is saying, “Look at the mail, read it, fall in love with the people the mail is for and then give it to them with all your heart.” And so translation takes more than just repeating something. It actually takes culturizing yourself into a culture where it comes from. Like ours is the Kingdom of Heaven. So I wrote this book. My wife actually named it. But I wrote this book because we’re called to translate God on the earth to ourselves and around us. We know we’re mature when we understand what he’s saying to us. We know we’re mature in effect when we can change the world around us with his voice.
SID: Can you imagine you can have the same job as Shawn translating God. When we come back, he loves to pray for people and after he prays for them they actually see Heaven. They actually hear God’s voice. They actually translate God. Be right back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with LaDonna Osborn. And LaDonna, you really provoke me to jealousy. Is there any unbelief inside of you?
LaDONNA: If God said it, he cannot lie. The challenge is us believing. If we can just believe. And that’s a choice. That’s a decision. If we can just align ourselves with God’s reality and shut out everything that’s contrary, that’s faith. So of course, the places I go and the multitudes I stand before, if you don’t know what’s going to happen, don’t go.
SID: Could you paint me a picture of what it was, what we, I might have seen back in those early days in these foreign countries, what it looked like.
LaDONNA: Yes. Walking on the field and coming to the platform, we had crude wooden platforms and the public was invited to come. We had no aisles, no ushers, no chairs. It was just a mass of people as far as the eye could see. And they came carrying their sick, sometimes on their back, sometimes in wheelbarrows, sometimes they were dragging their cripple’s bodies, leading the blind. Oh the smell of disease. And when you see a mass of people gathering like that it was always so simple. We never had music. We never had preliminaries. Just my father or mother would stand up with their Bible and begin declaring the Good News of Jesus Christ. And to see, and I remember this as such a child, looking in the faces of such longing and such hopelessness.
SID: Tell me about that Muslim beggar.
LaDONNA: His name was Catimu [sp]. He was a victim of polio and had polio for 38 years, four months and three days. It happened that the king of Ibadan was a Christian and that king was the chairman of our crusade, and that king sent word Catimu, attend that crusade. Well of course, Catimu had to come. But he stayed way in the back. And he was sitting there, his legs were all drawn up, just bone. He put car tires, pieces of car tire on his knees and with wooden blocks. That’s the way he moved around. So he couldn’t lift himself up at all. Way at the back, he was a reverent man, a nice Muslim. He listened to the message. It happened my father preached about the resurrection of Christ. And Catimu listened and didn’t believe. This isn’t the mercy of God. During the prayer, just because Catimu was reverent, he bowed his head and he felt, it seemed two men lifted him up to get him out of the dust. He felt that was very nice. So after the prayer, he turned to say thank you, and no one was there. He was standing on those boney legs, healed by the power of God. Hallelujah.
SID: I’ll tell you what, now T.L. Osborn had no special gifting. He just proclaimed the truth and God backed up the words.
LaDONNA: That’s it.
SID: LaDonna, raised on the platform, did the same thing and God, as a matter of fact, would you like to see a clip of LaDonna? She’s a chip off the old block. Let’s roll it.
LaDONNA: We come to bring the message of Jesus and allow him to do his miracles. Jesus, [unintelligible] get up and and walk.
LaDONNA: Spirits, a disease in vain, go in Jesus’ name. Get ready to turn away from any other faith or religion.
Man: [foreign language]
LaDONNA: You’re ready to declare Jesus as your Lord.
Man: [foreign language]
LaDONNA: Now if you want to do that tonight.
Man: [foreign language]
LaDONNA: Then I want to see your hands.
Boy: [foreign language]
SID: Now here’s what’s so amazing to me. Her dad, her mom, now you’ve seen LaDonna and then another generation who I’ve interviewed, her son Tommy going to the nations, and they don’t have special gifting. How did they get such good results?
LaDONNA: The secret is in just believing the words of Jesus. And of course, Sid, the very same process that the disciples went through in the Bible is our process. They believed the words of Jesus, they did what he said, they received power, the power of the Holy Spirit, that’s the Spirit of Christ, allowing Christ to continue his work. And then they went to the known world, and in the space of two years, they turned the world upside down. So the results, the fruit of obedience and the power of the Holy Spirit is guaranteed by the Word of God. Miracles are the proof.
SID: You know, that is God’s Plan A.
SID: And because we haven’t had God’s Plan A, we’ve gone to B through Z. It’s time for Plan A to come back. I’m going to have LaDonna pray for you when we come back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest has found an amazing secret for miracles. Do you know what it is? Chutzpah. Do you know what chutzpah is? It’s a Hebrew word and means “boldness, nerve”. He has hundreds of miracles right in his own little congregation he’s a pastor over. I mean, a hundred people stood up and they said, “I just had a recent miracle.” But these are not just miracles. These are medically documented miracles. Get ready. I was speaking to Pastor Don Nordin and what he just told me is outrageous. At one of his services, he just asked a simple question and the question was, how many of you in the congregation have had recent miracles. Now that’s kind of a risk on your part. But you know, how many people would you estimate stood up in your church that said they had recent miracles?
DON: I would estimate about a hundred.
SID: Did you get that? I mean, how many churches in America could you say, stand up if you just had a recent miracle and have a hundred people stand up. And then you had them actually testify their miracles.
DON: I did. I asked them to give a one-sentence testimony, which is difficult for some people. But a one-sentence testimony of the miracle that God had done in their life. We actually took about 50 of those on that Sunday morning. We didn’t have time to take all of them. But it was amazing.
SID: Let me take you back. Second grade, you’re minding your own business. You’re riding your bicycle and you hear the audible voice of God. What did he tell you?
DON: He told me that He wanted me to preach his word and you got to bear in mind that I’m a second grader and it really, at first, struck fear in my heart. But then I felt this calm peace over me, and from that day, I never had any doubt about what God wanted to do with my life.
SID: Now you say it was an audible voice. You really mean that? I mean, it wasn’t just a thought. I mean, you’re a little kid.
DON: I absolutely heard the audible voice of God. I was actually riding my bicycle and I had stopped, and I heard this voice say, “I want you to preach my word.” And I was by myself, and I actually got off the bicycle and looked around to see who was there, and no one was there except God.
SID: Now at seven, you had already seen three miracles. One was your dad. Tell me briefly about what happened.
DON: My father worked in northern California in the logging woods. He cut timber for a living. And one afternoon, he was about to finish up his day and he felled a tree, and the tree went over and hit another tree and bounced back, and struck my dad across the midsection just below the ribs. And of course, in northern California the trees are very large, and it pinned him to the ground, just crushed him. And he cried out to God, and this tree actually bounced up for a split second. My dad’s testimony is that something grabbed him and just jerked out from under that tree.
SID: Now how does he know it wasn’t just another logger that did that?
DON: Well there were no other loggers around. Everybody was on the other side of the hill. He was the only one in that area. When you’re cutting trees, they don’t work right together because of the danger.
SID: So if I’m understanding you right, it fell down, it struck him really badly. I mean, he’s incapacitated. It swings up, it’s ready to fall down again and just before it falls down again, someone, though no one else was there, pulls him out.
DON: Yes, head first.
SID: So it had to be an angel.
DON: Had to be an angel, and moved him at least six feet, maybe more.
SID: What would have happened if he hadn’t been pulled out that split second?
DON: Well no doubt he would have died if the tree had come back down and rested on him.
SID: How serious was he they took him to the hospital?
DON: Well no one thought my dad would live, including the loggers that were working with him. They put him on a gurney, a cot, and put him in the back of the jeep, and had a long drive over rough terrain to get to the hospital. And when he got to the hospital, the doctors just, they didn’t have any hope for him at all. The person that was in the hospital at that time, it was a small town hospital and the surgeon, the local surgeon was on a seven-day vacation. And so they just allowed my dad to lay on the hospital bed and they did nothing for him for seven days because they were convinced that he was going to die.
DON: And when the surgeon came back, my dad can remember that the surgeon walked into the room, took a look at him and said, “Well I guess this guy is not going to die after all. We need to do something for him.” His intestines had already set up, gangrene and the whole thing. And they did surgery on my father and three weeks from the day of his accident, he walked out of the hospital on crutches, and God had completely, God completely healed him, completely restored him. My dad is 82 years old today, pastoring a church, and still working a second job in construction, and he’s probably healthier than I am.
SID: Now I notice you use a word, I want you to get it. It’s the audacity, the audacity of faith, the audacity to pray. What does the word “audacity” mean?
DON: The word “audacity” is boldness, confidence, going beyond the map in your life with regard to faith. The Bible says that, “We are to boldly approach the throne of grace to obtain help and mercy in the time of need.” And I believe that when we pray, we should be risking when we pray, pray prayers of risk.
SID: You know, I looked the word up, “audacity” in Webster’s dictionary and I couldn’t believe what I found. One of the definitions of audacity is a Hebrew word, chutzpah. And you know what chutzpah means? It means nerve. Now talking about nerve, I want you to see a doctor in a medically verified miracle, genuine miracle. Don’t you ever say this is faith. We’ll even give you his name, his hospital, everything about him. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.
Sid: Hello this is Sid Roth the Jewish man that is mashuga, that’s a Jewish word that’s crazy for Yeshua another Hebrew word for Jesus. Actually I shouldn’t even say a Hebrew word that was His real name Yeshua Jesus is just the English translation of Yeshua.
The question I have for you is who are you mashuga for? I like being mashuga for Jesus I would not want to be mashuga for anything or anyone else. And I have another question for you I want to ask you a question and the question is “What is the end time book to the church?” Now before you say Revelation I’ll give you a clue it’s not Revelation. Again
what is the end-time book to the church? I believe the end-time book to the church is Esther and I’m sure if you have not heard me teach before this subject you didn’t have a clue. This is going to be one of the most important teachings I have ever given, why? Everything in Esther is timing, everything in God is His timing, everything in your life is His timing.
By the way Jewish people have two names they have their Hebrew name like my Hebrew name happens to be Israel, then in the country that I immigrate to I’m given a name from that country so my name is Sidney. Same thing with Esther, Esther’s name was Hadassah. Have you ever heard Hadassah Hospital? It actually means the myrtle tree and the myrtle tree is one that has the most wonderful aroma in Israel.
But when a Jewish person goes to another country they take another name so she took the name Esther which comes from the Persian name Ishtar which means a pagan fertility goddess. I don’t care too much for that name but you know what they did they translated this Esther back into Hebrew and you know what the Hebrew equivalent of Esther is? Hidden and that’s what the whole book of Esther is about, it’s about things that are hidden. For instance, did you know in the book of Esther God’s name is not mentioned not even once? But yet it is because it’s hidden it in acrostics 5 different times in the book of Esther. And we’re going to find out a lot of other hidden things in the book of Esther.
Now Deuteronomy 28 you probably know the chapter is talks about the blessings and the curses but it’s specifically written to the Jewish people and if you are the Messiah’s you are grafted in and you are the same as Abraham’s seed spiritually. But when you look at it in the natural it actually says:
“The blessings are for the Jewish people when they are in the land of Israel and the curses are for the Jewish people when they are out of the land of Israel.”
So the greatest blessings for Israel and the world will be when Jewish people return to the land of Israel. The greatest proof of God someone will say to you “How can you prove to me there’s a God?” Well for starters you can’t prove to me there’s not a God and I’d rather take the side of the fence proving there is then there’s not any day. But to me the greatest proof that there is a God is found in Jeremiah chapter 31 verse 35 and 36; let me read it to you.
“Thus says the Lord who gives the sun by light by day the ordnance of the moon and the stars for a light by night; who disturbs the sea and waves roar the Lord of Hosts is His name; if those ordnances depart from before me (In other words the sun, the moon and stars and light and seas and waves) if those ordinances depart from before Me says the Lord then the seed of Israel shall also cease from being a nation before Me forever.”
So we Jews because of sin went into what’s called the diaspora the nations but we still maintained ourselves as Jewish people. Who have ever heard of such a thing? We lost in 70 AD we lost our temple the only way under Torah Judaism you can have your sins atoned for; we lost our city, we lost our country and we were scattered to the 4 corners of the earth. And worst than that Deuteronomy 28 tells us that wherever we went we would be persecuted and that’s the history of the Jewish people. You would think after 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 – 6 – 7 – 8 – 9 – 10 generations of this being persecuted just because your being persecuted just because of your Jewish every Jew on the face of this earth would change their religion, would stop being Jewish at least for survival sake. But no because God said:
“As long as there’s a sun, moon and stars there will be a physical Jew on the face of this earth.”
So to me the greatest proof the Bible is from God is found in a 3 letter word Jew. How did God maintain us a distinct people? He put an instinct in every Jewish person; you’ll meet a Jewish person that’s not even practicing Judism, doesn’t go to the synagogue, probably identifies himself as an agnostic or maybe even an atheist. And you’ll say “Well they’re not even interested in being Jewish,” Watch, there’s an instinct in every Jew it goes like this “I was born a Jew, and I’ll die a Jew.” And this instinct comes from God that’s what has kept us as a distinct people.
Now Esther was a type of the church, a type of the Gentile church; I want you to see yourself as Esther. Esther was young, you may be older but I’m going to tell you something I’m older and I believe and I literally believe I’m getting younger. But in God’ sight I am a young man, I have to tell you on the inside I feel like a young man. Esther is beautiful, you may look at the pimples on your face but in God’s sight Esther, church, you are beautiful. If you could only see yourself the way that God sees you. Esther walked in favor, I like walking in favor, the church walks in favor. Esther was an orphan, a no-people that was grafted into royalty. Church do you know a no people that was grafted into royalty? The Gentile believers. Esther did one other thing she hid her Jewish connection. No one knew that she was connected to the Jewish people, no one knew that she was grafted into the seed of Abraham spiritually.
And one more thing about Esther, Esther was so loved by God, here let me read this to you in Esther 2:17:
“And the King loved Esther more than any of the other young women.”
The truth is every member of the church that’s a true statement boy, that’s true statement for you. You are loved more than any other because God’s so big He can do that; I can’t do that, you can’t do that but God can do that you are loved more than any other.
And there was one more trait about Esther, Esther moved in instant obedience. Now how could she hear so clearly, most Christian’s don’t hear God so clearly? How could she hear so clearly? Because Esther soaked in myrrh, now myrrh is bitter on the outside but sweet on the inside. She soaked 6 months in oil of myrrh and 6 months in perfume for a whole year and as she soaked she began to smell more like Jesus than like her old nature. But it took a time of soaking before God and that’s why it’s so important to put anointed music on and soak before God just as Esther did.
That reminds me of the 10 virgins 5 wise 5 foolish, 5 had plenty of oil. Why? They were soaking in the Spirit of God. They were worshipping God all the time, they were reading the Bible, they were only saying things that are good and pure and lovely and of good report. They were only looking at the good things in life and they were taking in not the bad things they were taking in the good things out so instant in instant out. So what came out was changing the world around them. That’s why Esther Church you can hear so clearly.
Now Mordecai that’s Esther’s cousin that really raised her refused to bow to one man; let me read this to you Esther 3:2:
“All of the Kings officials would bow down before Haman whenever he passed by for so the King had commanded. But Mordecai refused to bow down and show him respect.”
Well this Haman was a type of the devil and Mordecai being a Jew would not bow down to a man. We only bow to God and Mordecai was just being Jewish.
Then there’s the money; you see today a lot of decisions are made in our administration in politics over money, well in the kingdom actually it was Iran, or called Persia, and that was the old name for Iran it says in Esther 3:9 and 10:
“If it pleases the King (And this is Haman speaking) issue a decree that they (The Jews) be destroyed and I will give 10,000 large sacks of silver to the government and administrators to be deposited in the royal treasury. The King agreed confirming his decision by removing his signet right from his finger and giving it to Haman.”
Does that sound familiar to you? Well this is what literally happened in the garden of Eden through deception the devil got the authority, that’s what the signet ring is the authority in the kingdom and we needed a hero to get the authority to get the authority back. Our hero happens to be Jesus and they found out that the request of Haman was to murder every Jewish person. You know if one Jewish man didn’t bow before a Haman type why would you want to murder every Jew? In fact it gets even stronger than that I’ll read you Esther 3:13:
“Dispatches were sent by swift messengers into all of the providences of the empire giving the order that all Jews young and old including women and children must be killed, slaughtered and annulated on a single day.
This is scheduled to happen on March 7th of the next year, the property of the Jews would be given to those who killed them and that’s what happened throughout history. People, every people that called themselves Christians killed Jewish people and they were given the money.
Now without Esther, or the church, because I said Esther is a type of a church all the Jewish people would die. Now Esther’s first plan and maybe unfortunately the Church’s first plan is the same as Esther’s. She wanted to give humanitarian aid because what she found out that her Mordecai, the one that raised her, was in ashes and sack cloth and he didn’t have clothing so she took up a collection and bought him some clothing. Well millions of dollars are being poured into Jewish humanitarian work and rightfully so, and believers a praying and fasting for Israel and rightfully so.
But Suzette Hadding that’s the lead intercessor for Reinhardt Bonnke had this quote and I’ve changed it just a little bit I’ve added humanitarian aid. This is Suzette’s quote:
“Prayer or humanitarian aid without evangelism is an arrow shot nowhere.”
Let me read that again that’s so significant:
“Prayer of humanitarian without evangelism is an arrow shot nowhere.”
Most people don’t know this but there is a God given call for every Gentile believer in Jesus, Esther, I’m going to start calling you Esther, church. And that God given call is found in Romans 11:11:
“Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.”
The job of the Jewish believer is found in John 4:22. If the job of the Gentile believer is to provoke the Jew to jealousy or evangelize the Jew in writing the job of the Jewish believer John 4:22 salvation is of the Jews. Now many people think “Well perhaps the Jews lost their calling because so many rejected the Messiah.” Well Romans 11:29 says the opposite:
“The gifts and calling of God (It’s talking about the Jewish people there) is irrevocable.”
And by the way if the Jews do their job and reach the Gentiles, and the Gentile Christians do their job and reach the Jews guess what Jews and Gentiles mean we reach the whole world. God You’re so brilliant!
Esther 4:14 says that we are headed to the church’s greatest hour. This is what Mordecai said to Esther when she was living in the Kings palace and very taken care of and no one knew about her Jewish connection:
“For if you remain completely silent at this time relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews another place but you and your father’s house will perish, yet who knows whether you have come to the Kingdom for such a time as this?”
Esther who knows whether you have come to the Kingdom for such a time as this; Church who knows whether you’ve come to the Kingdom for such a time as this. I’m reminded in Israel in the Arab sections it’s written on the buildings you know the graffiti:
“First we kill the Saturday people then the Sunday people.”
Now Esther if she went to the King could die because if you went to the King and hadn’t requested you come the punishment was death. And the King had not requested for Esther to come into his presence in over 30 days. Esther knew that disobedience was punishable by death. She remembered maybe not death, well it could have been not death in that case but she remembered the last queen, Vahsti, she was vanished forever from being Queen from having anything to do with the King. So Esther had to take her life in her hands to go to the King and she said:
“Well if I die I die; I will go in… (Let me read this exactly to you.) Go and gather the Jews in Souza and fast for me; do not eat or drink for 3 days night or day; my maids and I will do the same; and then though it is against the law I will go into see the king if I must die I must die.”
Church Esther choice the path of God to spare the Jewish people and when Esther went to the King there was scepter in the hand of the king. Esther 5:2 we’ll pick up there when I come back because Esther now receives favor up to half of the Kingdom. Guess what Esther, church, you’re about ready to receive favor not up to half of the Kingdom all things are yours, all of the Kingdom.
Guess what Esther, church, you’re about ready to receive favor not up to half of the Kingdom all things are yours; all of the Kingdom. I’m making available my brand new book it’s titled “Sooner Than You Think.” It’s based on a dream I had from God in which God says “I’m coming back soon” 3 times to me, “I’m coming back soon, I’m coming back soon.” And some of the best end time teachers that I’ve interviewed I put in the book.
For instance, Bill Salus in “Inevitable Conflicts” looks at the last wars before Jesus returns. And there were about ready to bump into them right now; Perry Stone writes a chapter titled “The Messiah Comes” exploring the significance of the Jewish Feasts in connection with the First and Second Coming of Messiah. Perry returns in another chapter “Revelation About Revelation” that doves deeply into how we should look at the book of Revelation Jim Richards tells us how to prosper in the last days subscribing God’s plan for you to thrive even if there is the financial collapse.
We have specialists in each in the pre-trib rapture, the mid-trip rapture, the post-trib rapture saying why they are saying it’s true. Here is the truth no one has it clear we look through a window dimly the closer that we get to the return of Jesus the clearer things will be. I do not want you to hold on to another man’s vision for the end times that is being taught as gospel and it is not gospel. But if you have all of these pieces of the puzzle together as things unfold prophetically your going to be able to understand the end times, you’re going to be like Esther you’re going to be able to hear the voice of God so clearly because you have soaked in the perfumes of the Holy Spirit.
Sid: My guest Gene Mullenax I’m speaking to him by way of telephone at his home in North Little Rock, Arkansas is red hot for the Messiah. You’d be red hot for the Messiah if you had the same thing happen to you. I mean at a very young age he’s married, he’s got a couple of children, and they cut out his lung, they cut out 3 of his ribs. They have a whole inside for drainage, his shoulder… What was wrong with your shoulder Gene?
Gene: I had no support, with the ribs gone I had no support to hold me up.
Sid: So your shoulder drooped. He’s standing in line for an A.A. Allen healing meeting, very skeptical, and he see’s a 2 year old child that has cancer on the face so big this sore was that the child used it as a pacifier. He says “God if this is real you’ll remove that cancer.” Before his very eyes he saw the cancer removed. The little 2 year old is putting her tongue out trying to find that sore that they were using as a pacifier and can’t find it anymore. It’s time for him to be prayed for and he feels some oil, hot oil coming all over him, and he turns around to see “Who’s doing this?” He thought the stage was wired and everything, there’s no one behind him. So what happened next Gene?
Gene: It felt like somebody just opened my mouth and put a tube in me and went “Pow!” and I just blew up, I mean right… it was so astounding that the boy that became a friend of ours knew a little bit about Pentecostal meetings, come running up because Allen said “Who in the tent knows this man?” Well this guy comes running up and he says “He’s my very best friend,” and he weighed 180 pounds. I picked him up… I was up on the stage I reached and got him down from a low position, picked him up over that fence onto the stage and my wife started to screaming “Oh my God! My kids are not going to have a daddy and I won’t have a husband!” Because anytime before that if I picked up my 6 month old baby I began to hemorrhage something fierce. I picked that guy up he weighed 180 pounds, I slung him around like he was a rag doll, and when I come to myself they said I made about 4 rounds with him and he looked like his legs were sticking straight out. I swung him around, set him down and I was instantly, miraculously totally healed, completely. Everything that had been cut out was put back in just like I had asked for. I went back to work… that was on a Sunday night, went back to work Monday morning and I have not stopped since. It’s been 44 years ago or something like that.
Sid: What did the doctors say?
Gene: Well I went to the doctor and he made the x-rays, he had to go up on the 2nd floor, 2 floors up from where he was. He brought the x-ray down and says… he sent me back up he said “You got the wrong x-rays, somebody elses x-rays.” So I went back up brought them back down and said “Well they still got the wrong ones but I can thorascope you and see what’s wrong.” So he thorascoped me and he let out a big cuss word (chuckling), and I became his best buddy. I met him at the hospital went in the rooms and prayed for people with him. My sister was a nurse there at the Baptist Hospital. He called me his miracle man.
Sid: Now the FBI literally investigated your miracle.
Sid: Why was that?
Gene: My picture went on the front cover of Valiant Magazine. They came to my office and asked if the story was true and all and I told them “Yes.” They said “Well…” I said “Look I’ve got the x-ray right here.” I put it up on the door he could see it there. I said “Before and after” and he said “Well that could be anybody’s lung.” I said “I’ll tell you what you do, my wife’s here she’ll type up a statement, you go see my doctor he can tell you what happened better than I can tell you.” So they went to see my doctor and it was documented as a bonafide miracle.
Sid: Now I understand Phil Donahue found out about it and actually did investigative reporting of your miracle and had you on his show. What did he have to say about it?
Gene: He said it was the most astounding miracle he had ever seen. You know Sid about 7-8 years I started having prayer meetings in my home and it got so big we grew out of one room so I built a huge room onto that one. I had some doors that I had ordered at the lumber company, huge wide doors to be put in. I said “Do you know anybody that can put these doors in for me?” He said “I know a guy.” So he calls this guy and this guy shows up and he looks familiar to me but I hadn’t seen him in a long time and he weighed about 400 pounds, had a little girl with him about 7-8 years old, 6-7-8 years old. So I got to witnessing, back then I witnessed to anything if they stand still long enough. So I started talking to him about the Lord and it turns out Sid that’s the guy, isn’t that just like the Lord, that’s the guy that had the little girl, that was his granddaughter and he brought her with him. She was there and he put in my doors for me in my little prayer chapel.
Sid: Was his granddaughter still healed?
Gene: Oh yes she was beautiful! She was about 7-8 years old, just as spry as any kid I’ve ever seen in my life.
Sid: I understand that you pray for people that have had their lungs removed, or heart trouble. You prayed for someone with lung problem that got healed, but I understand that you have a special degree of supernatural faith for people with heart problems.
Gene: Well its happened to you it’s not hard to believe you know…
Sid: Well there are people that need miracles right now Gene. Would you pray for them?
Gene: I sure will. Father God we thank You for the privilege of coming to You in Your name. There is not one thing in this world that You can’t do, You made humanity, You can heal every part of it, and Lord You know the person that’s watching right now what’s wrong with each one of them. I pray for a mass miracle, Lord for ever person that’s listening right now in Jesus name whatever is wrong with them you would heal them from the top of their head to the bottom of their feet. We ask you for a miracle for each one of them in Jesus name. Amen.
Sid: I tell you Mishpochah that might have been a simple prayer but Gene believes and that’s the only you can please God. There is such a contagiousness on people that are absolutely… I mean not these 99.9 Ivory Soap believer, I mean the ones that say “I so trust God I could walk on water if He told me to do it.”
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Reihard Bonnke and unbelievable… a widow brought her dead husband, who had been dead for 3 days. I mean he literally was in the mortuary, the doctor said he was dead. In the mortuary they injected chemicals in his veins because that’s the way they do this in Africa. Had he been alive the chemicals would have killed him but of course he was dead. Dead for 3 days but his wife had faith. Now he was a pastor and his wife brought him to a Reinhard Bonnke meeting, Reinhard didn’t even know he was there, but he was down in the basement and he came back to life. Needless to say he has impacted everyone in that city as a result… I imagine everyone in the city knows about that Reinhard.
Reinhard: Yes not just the city he’s getting invitations whether it’s from Australia, or it’s from Holland, whether it’s from Britain, from America, from everywhere I mean he is becoming a world traveller.
Sid: Okay now we left off yesterday he was in the… right by the gates of hell he could see what was going on, he saw the torment, but what happened next?
Reinhard: Well he was unable to help anyone, he couldn’t even try to help anyone in hell, but it shocked him to hear that one man screamed at him out of hell saying that he had been a pastor that he had stolen money from the church, but he wanted to give it back. He said suddenly his angel, that was the mighty angel next to him turned his back to him, and that moment great fear gripped him, Daniel Ekechukwu. Great fear he said it was a horrible fear and the angel said to him “If your record was to come to an end today you would have to join these people in hell.”
Sid: Now this man was a pastor! What do you mean?
Reinhard: Well he asked the… he said “I protested saying ‘I’m a pastor, I am a born again Christian, I am washed in the blood of Jesus.’” But the angel said to him have you not read Matthew 5 where Jesus said “That your sins are only forgiven if you also forgive those who have sinned against you?” He said the angel also said to him “That God has decided not to close His record that moment, but the prayer of the rich man, Luke chapter 16, will be answered and that he would be the one that would be sent back from death to earth to go and warn this generation. This would be the last warning for this generation to repent and to be saved so that they do not come to that place of torment.
Sid: So this is like a sign for us.
Reinhard: It is, it is a very serious sign. Daniel keeps on saying… I was co-ministering with him at my crusade now in Elasha, in Nigeria where he gave his testimony. I also co-ministered with him when I was in Vienna in Austria. He keeps on saying “People heaven is real and hell is REAL! Hell is REAL! And we serve a holy God you better better cleanup your life and forgive those who have sinned against you because if you don’t your own forgiveness is invalid!” I think it is a mighty strong message that needs to be spread across the whole world. We’ve got to live a holy life, we’ve got to live a clean life and those who are not saved URGENTLY need to receive Jesus Christ as their Savior.
Sid: Now of course we know Reinhard that no one knows when their end will come. I just heard about a 22 year old electrician went to work in the morning and got hit with electricity and dead. Didn’t have a clue, so no one knows when their end is going to come. So everyone has to be ready at this second because that is all they have. However, in your spirit with what God has shown you, with what you have just heard that has happened to Daniel, do you believe he is coming back soon?
Reinhard: Well I believe that this is one last sign from God. All these last 2000 years since the parable was spoken nobody came back to earth saying “That God had decided that the prayer of the rich man in hell be answered and I am the one sent. With that message repent and believe the gospel, clean up your own lives.” If that is not a sign that Jesus is coming soon I don’t know for what we are waiting.
Sid: Alright there’s someone listening right now that says “Reinhard I know I’m supposed to forgive I understand that, but you don’t know I was sexually abused as a child, I can’t forgive that person.” What would you say to them?
Reinhard: Well if we can’t forgive others we have no forgiveness ourselves, and we hurt both parties. We hurt ourselves by not forgiving the other because hate is a terrible thing. It is like a cancer eating in one’s own life. We harm and hurt ourselves and we also prevent that the other person who has done such an evil thing would ever find forgiveness and salvation. I think we need to read Matthew 5:22 and the following. Then just go on our knees and say “Lord I forgive my husband who treated me like a beast. Or I forgive those who have sexually molested me. I forgive them because I also received forgiveness from You and life and light and peace will come, healing will come, even physical healing will come, mental healing will come.” You know when we do that it just widens the channel for the goodness and the mercy of God to flow into our own direction and our own forgiveness by the blood of Jesus becomes valid.
Sid: Reinhard I want you to pray for myself and everyone that is listening right now for a supernatural hunger to preach the gospel. Hunger for souls that we can’t walk by people without telling them the Good News.
Reinhard: I gladly do so. I pray right away. Heavenly Father I thank you for this privilege to speak to so many people who love You, who know You, and some who don’t know You. I pray oh Lord that you may just put a flame of fire upon all Your children like on the day of Pentecost. That will burn in their bones that we may carry the burden of the heart of the Lord within us. The very burden He carried that took Him to the cross our blessed Redeemer Jesus Christ. Let just a fraction of that burden of the Lord come into our own hearts that we have a burden for the lost. That we speak up and never shut up when it comes to speak the gospel to others who know it. I thank you Lord that You will confirm every testimony that You will confirm Your word with salvation and healing flowing in rich measure. I pray Lord for each and everyone within the reach of my voice that You may just help us to stand up and to run the race preaching the gospel to those who don’t know it. I ask it in the name of Jesus – Amen.
Sid: Sid Roth with Something More I have Shane Wall and I know that you’re on pins and needles to find out his mother dies unexpectedly. He is needless to say devastated he prays for her he feels electricity going through his hands and she doesn’t survive she’s dead. And so he goes off by himself and he hears God’s voice this is not what I would have expected God to say but what did He say?
Shane: He said “I heard you but this is not what I want to do.”
Sid: And I mean He’s being God?
Shane: Yes exactly Sovereign Lord exactly “This isn’t what I want to do.” And so then the Holy Spirit began to reveal to me that “This is the time for your mother to leave.” So I knew that and sadly enough for me because I’m her son.
Sid: Do you think she knew that?
Shane: I really believe she knew that Sid.
Sid: Is that why she didn’t get the medical help you told me about.
Shane: That’s why she would not get it I believe she wanted to die at home, I think she wanted to go to heaven from her own bed and she knew that the time was near.
Sid: Yeah who would want to go to heaven from a hospital bed? (Laughing)
Shane: I know exactly you know so she was favored with that choice.
Sid: What would you be today if back then you thought, and the devil egged you on…
Sid: God took my Mother.
Shane: I know.
Sid: I don’t think you’d be where you are today in God.
Shane: I know I would not have received what God said as the understanding. So that was my understanding sometimes when people die we wonder why as you said earlier “They were so young and they were such a good Christian why did they get this disease, why did they die?” When we hear from God whatever He says is the understanding so we hold on…
Sid: The problem is we don’t hear from God to get this understanding.
Shane: Exactly and we have to give God “In all of thy ways acknowledge Him.” And our ways sometimes are to get discouraged that’s not the way, to get angry, to get frustrated with God that’s not the way. “In all of our ways acknowledge Him” we don’t acknowledge God. Most times when people going when they’re going through something like that they go to God they’re out of their frustration and they’re expecting God to answer them right at that particular moment. Sometimes….
Sid: You find that God has His timing?
Shane: You better believe it.
Shane: He does and He waits for a particular time to tell us. My time was after I tried to raise my mother from the dead I had the faith, I knew that it would just happen but God didn’t tell me to do that I did that because this is my momma and she just died totally unexpectedly I want her back. God said “I heard you.” And Sid the Holy Spirit said to me “What you felt that glory that you felt was God hearing you.”
Shane: I said “Wow!” Because I was wondering afterwards I know I felt the glory of God like I usually feel when miracles are about to happen in the service where I’m ministering. That was God hearing you, “I heard you that is not what I want to do.”
Sid: And when He showed you that He heard you you translated that as “My mom’s healed.” But He had to give you this understanding as to what even that was.
Shane: Exactly and He did that’s why we have to get our understanding from God or else we will lean as the word of God tells us “not to lean unto thy own understanding.” And that’s what a lot of people do instead of going to God and getting His understanding we take our understanding to God and we want Him to cosign on it (Chuckling) but it didn’t work that way.
Sid: Okay Shane Wall went on a passion a passionate search for understanding. I mean it’s nice to know that this is available but how do you access it when you want to. And I think that I’ve never heard a message on this before. Give me your definition on understanding.
Shane: Understanding Sid is revealed insight. Now knowledge is information, wisdom is information with experience, but understanding is revealed insight only God can reveal true understanding to us that’s why it is supernatural. Because you can’t get understanding, the understanding from God, you can’t get that on a human level. You can’t get it in human atmosphere conditions you have to get it directly from God. The way to get understanding whatever God says is the understanding. So you get the understanding by simply believing whatever God says. So when God says something and you believe that when He said “This is not what I wanted to do.” I believed that. In other words your mother being raised from the dead is not My will. And I always say “Not my will Lord but Thy will be done, so I believe Lord that this was her time she belongs to You, she really doesn’t belong to me she was my mother but she belongs to You.”
Sid: Look at the destruction that could have occurred if he thought “What kind of God took my mother?”
Sid: Look at what he’s gained every circumstance in his life. Now how does this activate the gifting better you said it actives the gifting better?
Shane: It really does Sid when you get understanding when you highly value the word of God whatever God speaks to you as being the understanding. Because what a lot of people like to do they like to think about what God says. God has already put all of the…
Sid: They’re processing everything rather than just taking it from what God said.
Shane: Exactly and when you do that you’re doing what the word of God says not to do
“Lean not to your own understanding.”
Sid: Right, right.
Shane: So when God speaks and we lean to our own understanding we’re thinking about it. God has already put all of the thought into what He has said He does not need our thoughts at all. So when we value God’s word as the understanding the gifts of the Spirit are only attuned to God, to His Spirit to what He is saying. So now you’re not thinking about your flesh because they’re 3 voices. Our own voice, the voice of a devil and of course the voice of the Holy Spirit. And so when we are so used to just waiting on God for His word so we can get the understanding we value it. I’m going to get the understanding because Proverbs 4:7 says “In all thy getting get understanding.” The gifts of the Spirit become more accurate. Accurate just means true, it is true, it is truth I’m not prophesying out of the issues of an individual’s heart I’m giving you exactly what God is saying because I have a habit of understanding. I live my life just getting understanding from God.
Sid: I believe Jesus is about ready to return.
Shane: Thank You Lord.
Sid: Where we are in history everything going on in the world and I’m not a doom and gloom man I’m a glory man.
Sid: And God’s glory is going to cover this earth.
Sid: And that’s my focus right at this moment until…from this moment until I go there or He comes here.
Sid: But we are if we can’t have this information I don’t see how even a Christian is going to survive.
Shane: You’re right because we’ve got to hear from God. And whenever we hear from ourselves, whenever we try to figure it out on our own it just causes more headache it causes more heartache because now we want God to do our bidding instead of us doing His bidding.
Sid: We got it backwards.
Shane: We do we say and many people say Sid and I’m just waiting on God when they don’t hear God saying “No, I’m waiting on you I’ve given you My word you’re not acting on what I told you you heard what I said and and you’re waiting on another part.” You know it’s like playing checkers, I can’t more twice once you’ve moved it’s my move, once I move it’s your move God has moved. What did He say? “Ask and it shall be given, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be open.” Once I move then it’s your turn to move and that is God’s understanding that’s what He said and we have to do what He said or else we’ll never get the understanding because again what He says is understanding.
Sid: How do you personally pray for understanding?
Shane: I ask…
Sid: Give me an example actually do it right now.
Shane: Most definitely what I do I’m going through a situation at my job and so I say “Father what do You want to do about this situation.” Jesus taught us in Matthew He said “Before you even pray Your Father knows what needs you have therefore go to Him. Our Father which aren’t in heaven” so He already knows He already knows.” So I say “Father this is what’s going on at my job how do You want me to handle this it’s not right you know it’s not right because it doesn’t line up with Your word.” Do I have a part to play in this or are you going to work it out some other way? He speaks to me I have the understanding and I act accordingly. “I all of my ways I acknowledge Him.” Why? To get the understanding He directs my path. Many times Sid my path is sit there shut up don’t say a thing I’m working on it on the other side.
Shane: That’s the understanding so I sit there as an obedient son and I take everything that’s coming against me and I just simply wait for God to deliver. And he will because I’m His son he loves me so He’s definitely going to hear me and He’s going to act according to His word.
Sid: Now I see that you’re a God gifted teacher…. if someone were to read your book, Understanding. Someone were to listen to the CD’s that come with the package, or someone was to sit under your teaching, can they really do what you’re doing?
Shane: They can and I’m going to tell you this, God has gifted so many people Sid and that is why they watch, and that is why they listen they want to know “What can I do?” Understanding Sid is tailor fit for every individual….When God created you He created you around purpose to fulfill the purpose so when you get the understanding you will literally be able to fit t he understanding to your purpose and your will fulfill your purpose in the earth guaranteed. Why? Because you’re getting it straight from God.
Sid: Now as you’ve had such a passion for understanding and you’ve researched it and God has done things in your life as a result you came up with keys.
Sid: Tell me tell me one key.
Shane: One of the keys is…well I want to lead up because this was remarkable to me Sid. Of course we know that Jesus told Peter He asked you know “Who does man say that I am.” And some say thou John the Baptist, some say Elijah but who do you say. Peter said “Thou art the Christ the Son of the Living God.” Jesus said “Flesh and blood hasn’t revealed that to you but My Father revealed it to you.” And then He said “I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Sid I searched throughout the Bible because I know that God has no respecter of person “I want the keys I’m Your son just like Peter.”
Shane: Your son, I want the keys. The Holy Spirit said to me “Get a Bible a chronological Bible and from that point in scripture where Jesus told Peter I will give you the keys He said I want you to find every time that Jesus said something directly to Peter or referring to Peter from that moment onward than you’ll find a key. I was blown away.
Shane: As you said “I searched the scriptures there are 10 incidents where Jesus “Hallelujah I feel the Holy Spirit here.” Where Jesus Himself gave Peter a key through something He said. And one of the times was when Jesus was saying you know “I have to go and the Son of man is going to killed.” And of course Peter at that point was like “No, no, no, no and Jesus said to him “Get thee behind me Satan you are not savoring the things of God you are not paying attention to the things of God but you’re savoring the things of man.” Key Number 1 savoring those things that be of God. And when you savoring them, you’re paying attention to them you are valuing them that is one of the keys. And so with the 10 keys that I found you’re able to bind on earth what is bound in heaven and in the original language when I searched it it literally bound, literally means illegal. Loosed means legal.
Shane: So whatever is illegal in heaven (Glory to God) you can declare it legal on earth. Whatever is legal in heaven you can declare it legal on the earth. You have the keys. Here the go in Acts here is Peter going up with John and they see the man begging look on us. So he looks to receive money. What does Peter say “Silver and gold have I none but such as I have give I thee. What did he have? The keys that Jesus gave him “In the name of Jesus Christ rise up and walk.” He had the…when you have the keys the man was lame. Are there lame people in heaven? No, it’s illegal whatever is illegal in heaven you have the keys it’s illegal on earth. When we declare it because we have the keys of the kingdom of heaven it has to work the word of God is clear. And these keys are detailed in the word of God. And once we get those keys it is a life as you see the keys it’s a mentality, it is a life that we have to live before God so that He Himself will honor who we are because we’re doing what? We’re taking what He said as the understanding and we’re living a life of understanding.
Sid: In the times we’re living in they can be the best of times or they can be the worst of times if you have understanding no matter what happened they will be the best of times. An understanding from God!
Sid: If you’re not red hot now you’re in big trouble, BIG TROUBLE but I have good news, before this broadcast is over you can be red hot for the Messiah. I’m talking about my trip to Israel I was there over Passover. I was there… what is now being called the Passover War. What is called the Passover Massacre when innocent men, women, and children trying to observe a Passover, a Pesach Seder, with their family and their friends. A madman comes in with a bomb, a suicide bomber, and destroys these people. I mean you probably saw the same pictures I saw on television. There was literally, although a lot of TV it was so gross maybe you didn’t see it, but on Israeli TV I saw literally a pool of blood. It was like the whole floor was drenched in blood. You know it’s not just a bomb it’s a bomb with metal in it so that as many people as possible can be killed and maimed, and murdered.
You know I just don’t get this if there is any proof there is a devil and that’s God’s word is true is what’s going on in Israel. You see the PLO targets civilians, and I do say the PLO they have proven the terrorist bombers are all directed through the PLO, but Israel they target the terrorist. You see the difference? Targeting civilians versus targeting terrorists, now it is true innocent men, women, and children get harmed when Israel goes after the terrorist but that’s by accident that’s not on purpose.
It’s such a difference it’s sort of like the United States of America when they were going after the terrorists in Afghanistan. They weren’t going after the Afghanis’ they were going after the terrorists. Now unfortunately some people from Afghanistan got hurt, but the United States of America did not go after those innocent people.
The PLO literally targeted, that’s the word, targeted civilians. Israel targets terrorists. Why won’t the world understand?
You know I read in the newspaper, the Washington Post had an article that there was a meeting of the Arab nations because they don’t like the reputation that they’re terrorists, that Islam is a terrorist group. They want everyone to believe that Islam is a peace loving religion. You know what they decided at this meeting? That terrorism and suicide bombing is wrong unless it involves Israel.
Why does the devil want to destroy Israel? Why does the world turn against Israel? Why does the press not see the distinction between targeting civilians versus targeting terrorists? All of this is explained in the Bible, it’s all very very clear.
Let me tell you about a poignant moment in Israel. We were on our way from Haifa to Jerusalem and we pulled off the road to get some gas. When we pulled off the road a teenage female attendant was pumping the gas for us and when she came I didn’t know whether she spoke English, or Hebrew. But I just rolled down the window and I wanted to tell her that there was hope. I said “Yeshua haMashiach” which is Hebrew for Jesus is the Messiah. I looked for a reaction and this it what she said “Yeshua, Jesus, God, nothing can help us.” I wish you had seen the expression on this… She’s a teenager, she’s beautiful she had every thing to live for! There is no hope. It’s a hopeless generation. I wonder why so many Israelis are smoking, the young kids are smoking, chain smokers. Don’t they know the same data the same research we have here in the United States, or is they just think that they are in a hopeless situation. What an environment for revival.
I believe we’re going to see one of the greatest revivals of Jews and Arabs the world has ever seen. A lot of people say “Sid I’ve read in scripture Psalm 122:6 we’re commanded, God commands us to “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem they shall prosper that love thee.” The word prosper in the Hebrew doesn’t mean what it means here in the west, it doesn’t mean necessarily dollars, it means something that dollars can’t buy. It means a good marriage, it means a good relationship parents with children, it means good health, it means peace with God, it means peace with man, it’s the most wonderful word. “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem they shall prosper.” The best definition in English is “They shall have heart peace that love thee.”
So the question is posed to me “What does it mean to pray for the peace of Jerusalem?” I know that God tells us the only city in the entire world throughout all of history God says to pray for, and it’s so important to God that He says “I’ll give you what the world can’t offer if you’ll do this: Pray for the peace of Jerusalem thou shall have heart peace that love thee.”
So what does pray for the peace of Jerusalem mean? Does it mean sending Colin Powell, and Zenni and having peace agreements trying to orchestrate peace, and trying to win Nobel Peace Prizes as Clinton tried to do? What does it mean? No! No! I mean give me a break the objective of Islam is to have all of Israel and a little partition, a little piece of Israel isn’t going to satisfy. It’ll start out they want Israel piece by piece but I’ll tell you one thing whoever is involved in diving the land of Israel I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes. Why? Because God says it’s His land. God says in Joel the 3rd chapter there will be a judgment of the nations in reference to one thing and one thing only, it’s not go be just homosexuality, it’s not just going to be abortion, it’s not just going to be pornography we have, it’s not just going to be just the lust we have in this country, it’s not just going to be the New Age and all the New Age type movies that have just come out; the Harry Potter’s, or the things on witchcraft that you see on the television.
Yes there’s judgment on all of those things but if there is judgment on all of these things we would have had it by now. But God says “There’ll be one issue that nations will be judged on in the last days” and He specifically says through His spokesman the prophet Joel “That for dividing (or you might use the word partitioning) My land.” Whose land is that? It’s God’s land. Who did God say is going to have that land unconditionally forever? That’s a long time as the song goes “Forever is a long long time.” Unconditionally forever He says “Nations will be judged in the last days because they partitioned, or divided, My land which I gave.” In the 105th Psalm He says this “Unconditionally forever to the children of Abraham, Isaac,” not Ishmael. I might add that God loves the Arabs but He gave it to Isaac not Ishmael and Jacob unconditionally forever. Get it straight your life… the prosperity of this nation that we have always known is totally dependent on this.
So what is praying for the peace of Jerusalem? There’s praying that makes sense in praying that’s just religious. Religious is “Oh Lord cause peace!” Well wait a second the only way there’ll be peace is for the Messiah to return and orchestrate peace on earth. But before the Messiah returns each human can have peace in their heart. Each human can have intimacy with God and there’s no other name given unto men in which we must be saved but the name Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah.
So what is praying for the peace of Jerusalem so that you can get what God promises heart peace which is what the world is going to be clamoring for even here in the United States of America? Pray that Jews and Arabs come to know the Messiah. Pray that we might be one so that the world will believe.
If you will pray that at this set time to favor Zion… who knows Esther if you have not been called to the kingdom for such as a time as this. This is the most exciting time of all the people throughout all of eternity God selected His best to be alive at the wrap up. You and I are called but “To whom much is given much is required.”
The first thing I want you to do is I want you to learn the facts about God’s plan for Israel, the prophecies involving the nation Israel.
Sid: And if anyone’s lukewarm listen this week you won’t be lukewarm too long. I have in the studio John McTernan. John is a retired Treasury Agent spent 26 years Treasury cofounder of “Cops for Christ,” but none of the above is why I have him in here. God has supernaturally given him insight into the last days and keys that I literally have not heard developed by anyone else. John let’s go back to when God first showed you there was a direct correlation between sin and warning judgments.
John: Sid we go back to October of 1987 and that’s when it all started. It didn’t start with Israel right away it started actually with homosexuality and there was a huge homosexual march on Washington in October of 1987. And the following week the stock market destabilized and we had the big crash of ’87.
Sid: Yes but how did you correlate the two were connected?
John: Well, the Lord literally put it together for me. I had watched the March on TV and I didn’t think of praying, I didn’t think that the Lord would judge us, I didn’t think that God would be offended. Then when the stock market crashed I was watching TV again and the news announcer’s voice was literally quivering in fear that would this be the start of another depression. And the Lord I had this like this vision in my mind of the previous week and the March on Washington and the Lord I heard His voice inside Sid just as strong as could be saying “That this crash was within relation to that March and that the United States is open to judgment for Him and I didn’t fear Him.” That’s what He said “I didn’t fear Him.” That I didn’t fear Him I…
Sid: What did that mean you didn’t fear Him?
John: Well because I didn’t intercede when I saw what happened for the nation I didn’t fear the Lord. I didn’t pray and intercede I didn’t understand that His holiness could be offended. So I did I repented right then and there I got down on my knees I repented and I said “Lord I realize that I didn’t have a true fear of You as the scriptures talk about I didn’t understand Your holiness.” And from that day to this the Lord’s opened up my eyes Sid to virtually every disaster major disaster we’ve had since 1987 has been on homosexual related event, and abortion related event, or touching the Apple of God’s Eye Israel.
Sid: Okay I have in my hand your brand new book “Israel the Blessing or the Curse.” With all of the sins going on in America why are you zeroing in on the sins in reference to the sins in reference to Israel and the Jewish people? Why are you picking that one category; you’ve written books before on all of the categories why go in on Israel on this moment?
John: Because Sid Israel is special to the heart of God. God has a everlasting covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and that covenant is dear to Him and that we…I believe that Israel exists today not because of the IDF the Jewish military might or intellect or anything it exists because of that everlasting covenant that God made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. And that covenant is dear to God and whatever is dear to the Lord is dear to me also.
Sid: You’re not Jewish.
John: No I’m not.
Sid: But you have a great love for the Jewish people how did that develop?
John: Well Sid (Hah) it starts from my birth I was born in the Bronx, New York in an Irish and Jewish ghetto. I grew up with Jewish people and ten we moved out to Long Island to a neighborhood that was 50% Jewish. Our school was closed on Jewish holidays and I would go to the kosher restaurants and I just grew up with Jewish people just normal to me. But I was an atheist and I was led to the Lord by a Jewish street evangelist in 1974. He was out in the street preaching and I stopped and listened, isn’t that amazing? He was talking about the authority of God’s word with the nation of Israel. And I had never read one verse in the Bible maybe I opened it. I remember as a kid we had a Bible and I opened it and looked at the pictures and that was it. And he preached the gospel and I remember praying and saying “Lord this man says if I confess sin and prayed to receive Your Son that You would reveal Yourself to me; I don’t even believe that You exist.”
John: That’s what I said that was my prayer, that was an honest prayer and that was what it was and I was totally honest. And I said but I’m going to confess Christ as this man said and this was Jewish street evangelist and Sid it was like a light switch went off going from darkness to light when I made that prayer was like an explosion inside. And from that day to this I’ve been walking with the Lord.
Sid: Now what you’re doing right now especially this book “Israel the Blessing or the Curse.” I believe it’s so important for Christians and non-Christians alike I mean our whole destiny is as a nation, our whole life our whole way of the most blessed country in the world is at state based on the principals you outline in this book. Give me some examples as you put in the book of disasters that occurred to the United States of America because of touching Apple of God’s eye Israel.
John: Well Sid there’s so many to touch upon but we’ll start with some of the best known ones and I got the documentation right here Sid. I brought it so you could see it as I go along you can see it.
Sid: Yes I see it.
John: This is the documentation that is in the book if the reader…in my book the last chapter is all of the documentation so any reader can go to a public library. And you noticed most of them are in the New York Times and they can verify what’s in there. This is the start of the Madrid Peace Process October 30th 1991.
Sid: Alright for those that aren’t familiar what is the Madrid Peace Process?
John: After the Gulf War in 1991 President Bush we’ll say President Bush Senior wanted to have a universal peace in the Middle East. And he personally with the power of the United States initiated what we know now as the Madrid Peace Process and it’s really a code word for Israel to give up covenant land for peace. And right here front page New York Times is the initiation of the Madrid peace process by President Bush in Madrid, Spain. Right here Sid I’ve got excerpts from his speech and highlighted the part that says Israel’s going to have to make territorial concessions. On that same day front page New York Times is a headline about a storm and it’s you know there’s always storms but that’s no big deal.
Sid: We have a big country.
John: Yeah right but this storm was not like any other storm and this the next day Sid and you can see headlines still at peace process and then the headlines of the storm you can see both front page almost together on the New York Times.
Sid: I can see.
John: Now what happens Sid this storm became known to us as what we call today the perfect storm and there it is.
Sid: Because there was a book and a movie.
John: A book and a movie because it was a freakish storm. The wind pattern in the United States is from west to east. This storm came a thousand miles east to west at the exact time that the Madrid Peace Process it was a…the newspapers reported it as a furious storm it did probably about a billion dollars worth of damage to the coast. I’m showing you a picture hear from that same article. And here is President Bush’s home in Kennebunkport, Maine devastated by the perfect storm by the President of the United States.
Sid: That’s an unusual coincidence his personal residence.
John: Right, right.
Sid: Was devastated.
John: While he was initiating the Madrid Peace Process touching the land of Israel. Saying that Israel had to make territorial concessions for peace his own was being devastated by a freakish storm that came from a thousand miles the wrong way. I witness reports said 30 foot waves rose up in front of the home and flooded it with seawater. Now that’s when it started Sid as we touched Israel the Madrid Peace Process these disasters have hit specific….I use the word bullying that’s my terminology for this as we bullied Israel over the covenant land and disaster of this nature have hit us that very day.
Sid: You even see tie-ins with September 11th tragedy.
Sid: And as a matter of fact you go into all of these you pointed out but it’s not just this…if you just shared this one thing that would raise an eyebrow but you have a whole book of these what the world would call coincidences but you can’t call it coincidences. You touch Israel – Disaster; you touch Israel – Disaster. What’s the spiritual under pinning of this why is this going on?
John: It’s because of that covenant Sid and see God is moving prophetically in the world to bring the conclusion to His plan. And Israel, the plan of salvation Israel is part of it big part of it. In fact Israel is the heart of the plan because when the Lord returns He’s returning to Jerusalem. And we are interfering now by trying to literally take East Jerusalem from Israeli control, Judea and Samaria from Israel control we are interfering with God’s prophetic plan for Israel and God won’t tolerate it. He has been warning us now as you can see I got a book full of these examples. In the very day Sid there isn’t a 24 hour difference between these judgments they were the same day. And if necessary God will break the power of the United States to get us out of Israel and stop interfering with His prophetic plan.
Sid: Help me out on this John I have wondered being an American being loving this country but seeing the blatant and that’s the only word I can come up with the blatant sin of this country I don’t have to mention it all but homosexuality, the abortion, the pornography, Hollywood excreta. You know seeing the New Age all of these things but yet the serious judgment has been held back by God. Why?
John: Sid there are millions of people in the United States that love the Lord and they love Israel and I believe for that remnant that has been crying out to the Lord that He’s stayed judgment. He’s been warning and warning and warning.
Sid: Okay what if we turn our back on Israel as a nation would that be the thing that shake the balance of what’s going on and disaster would come?
John: Sid according to God’s word He would have to judge us. My prayer is that He would have mercy in judgment. You can not stay a judgment when we interfere with his everlasting covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You can’t Sid, you can’t you can’t. Well the only thing that we can do is to ask the Lord to have mercy in the judgment.
Sid: Now I was given a book, oh several months ago and I couldn’t believe what I was reading. There two facts in this book while one I’ll read to you this is the first fact about this book “This is the best kept secret in 500 years one is that do to be exposed now.” The second fact that I saw that just blew me out of the water that there are well this is actual quote here you know Netanyahu the former primer of Israel Netanyahu’s father said in the Jerusalem Post “There were 60 million Sephardic Jews in the diaspora.” That’s 60 million scattered throughout the whole world that’s a lot of Sephardic Jews! Now my guest is an expert on this he is a Sephardic Jew his name is Dr. Dell Sanchez. I’ll be interviewing him this week on his book “The Last Exodus” and for starters Dell what is Sephardic, what does that word mean?
Dell: Sephardic is a word that emanates from the word S’pharad which is Hebrew for Spain.
Sid: So Spanish Jews. Many of our listeners are not aware Jewish people are divided into lots of categories but one category is that there are Sephardic Jews.
Sid: That means Jews Hispanic type Jew, Spanish Jews, and then there are Ashkenazi Jews; these are Jews from Poland and Europe. And a lot is spoken about the Ashkenazi Jews which I happen to be from my heritage. But there is not much spoken and yet it’s too me the history is so fascinating of Sephardic Jews. Now I have to ask you a question because otherwise will have people right in and complain, the question is “What is the best kept secret in 500 years?”
Dell: (Laughing) The best kept secret is that my forefathers in the process of the Spanish inquisition and the expulsion from Spain transferring the inquisition to Mexico and Latin America. That despite the tortures and burnings at the stake and confiscations and genocide, we have been multiplying we’re still alive and well and we’re coming out of the double ash heap of oblivion Sid. That’s the best kept secret that they could not exterminate us all.
Sid: Well I know but I’m going to tell you what I was shocked over and being a Jewish believer in the Messiah for close to 30 years, I have never ever heard anyone ever say this of the shocking really torture that went on to Jews in Mexico and other places in North America.
Dell: Oh yes, yes, yes.
Sid: I mean how come we never heard about the inquisition in Mexico City? I heard about the Spanish inquisition but I never heard of something like that so close to America.
Dell: Well they hid the secret so well both in Mexico as well as in Spain. My wife and I have traveled to Spain and across Mexico not as extensively as we’d like to but the secret has been held and kept so well as to what the inquisition did; the nominal Spaniard today as well as the Mexican all the more. A little bit is know about the inquisition that came against the Sephardic Jew that is our forefathers of Spanish descent and the Iberian Peninsula such as Portugal, the Canary Islands and all of that neck of the woods. But they hid the secrets Sid so terribly well therefore because of the pressure on my people our people had to go underground unless they exterminate them as well.
Sid: Well the thing that so fascinating also is the list you’ve compiled of Spanish names and these are people that actually have Jewish heritage and many of them don’t even know that they have it, is that correct?
Dell: That’s correct and I’m an example. Well I didn’t know why I would use certain terms that I would use from my parents and my grandparents and my great grandparents, and I was always criticized that that was not Castilian, that was not proper Spanish. Well it was never intended to be proper Spanish because it was not ladino or le décimo which is the language of Sephardim of Spain, the Jews of Spain.
Sid: Now how many Spanish names have you accumulated that have Jewish heritage?
Dell: Oh my Lord easily, easily about 6,000 commonly known, commonly accepted Sephardic Jewish names.
Sid: I’m looking at some of these and some of these don’t look Jewish at all!
Dell: Oh, I didn’t think so either (Laughing). In fact I was just in Tel Aviv during Passover, in Israel that is and I met a fellow his name is Labe Frank. And after his reading my book “The Last Exodus” he said “Wait a minute I just discovered based on your facts that I come from a name really that was really Franko and it was changed to Frank, Franko is Sephardic.
Sid: Tell me some of the terms that were not proper Spanish that turned out to be Jewish.
Dell: Oh my goodness.
Sid: Just one or two.
Dell: Well one or two of them or three we used to say for instance el troque instead of la troca, me topé you know la troca means the truck. Okay me topé meaning I bumped into something, that’s Sephardic okay. Anfina instead of así basically meaning like that in this fashion. And I mean a host of terms that we thought you know we thought we were being very secretive when I was being born and reared in a predominately Hispanic community called the barrio. By the way in Spain you had barrios in Poland and Eastern Europe they had ghettos. Our people have been pushed into barrios, in Spain wound up in barrios and Mexico, wound up in barrios in the southwestern United States.
Sid: Did the inquisition actually get in southwest America from Mexico or not?
Dell: I want to say this with a forgiven spirit, I believe it got in through another camouflaged source namely the Spanish missions. And I know that this is shocking but when my wife and I were in a major I believe this countries biggest genealogical center and libraries, but frankly (Laughing) in Salt Lake City, Utah. And I had a theory as to why the missions were established throughout Latin America and Mexico, New Mexico, Arizona, California, and San Antonio, Texas. And when I began to find documented in ancient books in Spanish la quejas, the complaints, my theory came to light and it was documented there of the atrocities and the ugly things that were done to my people in the early beginnings of the Spanish Missions.
Sid: Now let me switch gears for a second, the Netanyahu’s father estimated there is 60 million Sephardic Jews scattered throughout the world. The Jerusalem Post actually reported they thought there were approximately 20 million Sephardic Jews scattered throughout the world. What do you think?
Dell: I think it’s really up into the millions I really do. I don’t know that it would be up to….
Sid: Do you realize what would happen in the Middle East if a tithe of those Hispanic Jews went back to Israel?
Dell: They are going back to Israel God is opening doors for Aliyah, yes. Yes, God is opening doors in fact my wife and I Sid will be guest of none other of the premier of the University in the Negev, that’s the Ben Gurion University and Research Institute.
Sid: Why are you guests?
Dell: We’re guests because they liked what they were seeing in our character and our history, in our investigations and our proclamations to Sephardim. To our Latino Hispanic Brethren across the America that are coming that something it’s a Spirit of God that’s stirring a new awakening that’s going to cause a major revival.
Sid: Dell let me stop you because we haven’t talked for more than a few minutes on the phone ever and I want to tell you what God is showing me. And this was before I got a hold of your book I believe God put this book in my hands. God told me, I can’t say an audible voice, but in my heart of hearts with every fiber of my being I believe the next move of God’s Spirit on Jewish people, it has been on Russian Jews and it’s going to continue in a very big way, but the next big move of Jews world why will be Hispanic Jews. I can’t give you a logical explanation in my head, however with the information that you’re giving me the number the millions of Hispanic Jews can you picture what’s going to happen when…and I think in terms of black Christians when they turn their life over to God. I mean there’s something about the way a black Christian can put their whole being into worship. But I’ve been seeing some Hispanic Jews worship lately and I’ll tell you something they’re going to give the black Christians a run for the money! (Laughing)
Dell: Yes let me tell you one thing that our Hispanic Latino brethren do not have, they have no fear. We have no fear we overcome fear because of the atrocities of the past 400, 500, 600 years it’s in our DNA Sid, fear is abolished. I mean we don’t fear terrorism my wife and I have been there in a kibbutz next to the Gaza Strip above in Egypt when they were bombing and automatic gunfire and tanks rolling and helicopters over head. My wife slept every night peacefully like a baby while I was interceding doing my part not in fear but in alertedness, my wife would just sleep through it all.
Sid: And not only that I think some of the greatest people involved in medicine and philosophy and science and astronomy and music and the arts come from the Sephardic background.
Dell: Well and let me tell you I’m glad that you say that because actually it was…
Sid: And it’s hard for the me to say it since I’m Ashkenazi!
Dell: (Laughing) We’re partnering together for the purposes…
Sid: Well we’re part of that one new man (Laughing).
Dell: But truly it was a Jews that were from Spain that led Spain to the golden age. They were gifted in sciences, and humanities, and the arts, in music, in finance, in business you name it, I mean they had only been there x thousand years since the days of King Solomon they knew what they were doing.
Sid: Solomon? Are you sure since Solomon?
Dell: Let me tell you, yes I am sure because the ….
Sid: I’ll tell you what hold that thought we’re out of time we’ll pick up there on tomorrow’s broadcast.