SID: Tom, how in the world did Washington D.C. and the Vatican have these masonic symbols and buildings, etc.? Where did that come from?
TOM: Well again, it goes back to the influences of these early Freemasons who had an idea about how they wanted to build what we would call an occult democracy. For instance, you can go to the Library of Congress website and read an article called, “The Most Approved Plan”. And this goes back to early America, where they were advertising for different architectural firms to submit their plan about how the capitol city could be built. And after all the plans came in our own government website says they were all rejected because Thomas Jefferson wanted a plan that would be based similar to the design in Rome, where you would have a dome facing an obelisk. And furthermore, he wanted it dedicated to all pagan gods. That’s on our own government website. That’s exactly what’s written.
SID: So this represents the sexual organs that say the Washington Monument and you say the Capitol represents that. What does that mean in Masonic and cultic terms?
TOM: Well because the Freemasons, a great deal of their mysticism is based on ancient Egyptian magic. And this design, a dome, which is the ever-pregnant belly of Isis in their mythology facing an obelisk, which is the erect manhood of the god Osiris, was a magic utility. This was designed in ancient Egypt for one purpose, and that was to raise from the underworld the spirit of Osiris so he could take his place in the Pharaoh so that the country, Egypt, could have divine representation in their king. Well that’s exactly the template you have laid out in Washington, D.C. It’s exactly the template you have at the Vatican.
SID: Why is it the same things in the Vatican?
TOM: Same thing at the Vatican where you have a dome facing an obelisk. As a matter of fact, the obelisk in St. Peter’s Square was removed from the ancient city of Heliopolis where it was built and dedicated to the god Osiris. And when they took it to the Vatican and when Pope Sixtus had it put in the middle of the square there, he actually performed an exorcism on it trying to expel the demon of Osiris from the obelisk.
SID: And again, this Osiris is the same, it’s a code for Antichrist of the New Covenant.
TOM: Well it is the god Apollo to the Greeks. In fact, you see that marriage, not only on the Great Seal. Look at the Statue of Liberty, which was built by Eiffel, the famous Eiffel Tower building, built by French Freemasons.
SID: That’s occult, too?
TOM: Well it is. According to its own literature, you can look it up and read it yourself, it was built to have the body of Isis, which was dedicated to Osiris and the head of Apollo. So once again, it is the marriage of the Egyptian Osiris and the Greek god Apollo, which is one and the same, according to many ancient historians.
SID: Now you say there’s a masonic significance even to 9/11.
TOM: Well we believe there is. And without getting bogged down, President George W. Bush, January 20th, 2001, he steps up, he gives his inaugural and twice he refers to the “angel that rides in the whirlwind and directs the storm.”
SID: Where did that term come from?
TOM: That is a Freemason, well first of all, it’s an occultic term. It refers to Metatron. There’s various things for the angel and the whirlwind. But for years, in fact for at least a decade before 9-1-1, occultists said that when it became time to initiate the New World Order the code word would be “the angel and the whirlwind.” And if you go in where I have been, into the house of the temple, the headquarters of the 33rd degree Masons, they have a dedicatory in there to George W. Bush for donating more than a million dollars to help propagate Freemasonry in the United States. And I voted for him, so I’m not picking on him.
SID: You know, this is a very persuasive thing. This isn’t just some random speculation. Now why do you say the years 2012 to 2016, something very significant involving the Antichrist will occur? Why do you say that?
TOM: Well first of all, I got on that because there is a 500-year-old Mayan prophecy that said that in the colony count in 1776, there would be a 13-step countdown ending in the year 2012. And when you read the prophecy, it is literally 300 years earlier describing the Great Seal of the United States. We have 1776, 13 steps over which is hovering the all-seeing eye, which is a prophecy of the return of that god, starting in 2012 through 2016. But also many other ancient cultures, ancient Jews, the Hindu and their Kali Yuga calendar, even, Sid, even turn-of-the-century Protestant reformers like “old sinners in the hands of an angry god.”
TOM: Jonathan Edwards wrote in his letters, which are preserved in universities, that he believed the Antichrist would appear between the years 2012 and 2016. We found that redundancy over and over, and the question became, what was motivating these people? By what inspiration were people for both hundreds of years and thousands of years persuaded that the end would begin in the year 2012 through the year 2016. Why did they believe that?
SID: What do you believe?
TOM: Well I believe when I look around the world today two things are going to happen. One, we definitely could see the emergence of the man of sin any time now, and that also leads me to believe that we could have one of the greatest revivals in the history of humanity at any moment.
SID: I’m looking forward to that. What was one of the most amazing things, briefly, that you found?
TOM: Well one of the most amazing things had to be that of Chilam Balam.
TOM: A Mayan prophet.
TOM: Three hundred years ago. But you know what was cool about it? Because this guy converted to Christianity as result of the—
SID: I thought the Mayans missed it.
TOM: Oh, the Spanish came in and they brought with the Gospel, and this was university level work that was done. When interpreting these ancient prophecies at the university level, they found that this guy had given his life to the Lord. So now, it put a brand new twist on how and why would he be talking about the colony count, 1776, and basically describing the Great Seal of the United States. It put a whole different kind of fascination on the whole thing. Despise not prophesying, right? Did this young convert, at one time, he was one of the worst pagans, did he indeed receive a revelation from God? He may have.
SID: But I thought the Mayans predicted and they missed the date.
TOM: No, they never said that. In fact, I’m on many TV shows and conferences that you can watch on You Tube, for the last 10 years, saying they never said that. What they said is actually more interesting. They said the end of 2012 would end an era and then a new and final dispensation of man would begin. Now that’s more interesting.
SID: Ask the question I posed to you. I posed to you, if you have to have some special DNA put into you so you’ll live much longer, so you won’t get cancer and dread diseases, and that’s the Mark of the Beast, will you accept it? You say, “No.” But I tell you this, if you do not know God, do you know what Jesus said? This is eternal life, that you might know Him. It didn’t say just I believe in him and I also believe in Santa Claus and I believe in lots of things or you go to a church that’s just religious. This is eternal life, that you might know him. Make him your Lord. Repent of your sins and start reading the Bible, and start worshiping God by doing what He says. You don’t know when your end is going to come. You get right with God now. You get to know Him now. This is eternal life.
SID: When Barbara teaches about the breaker anointing, literally the breaker, he shows up. I mean, it’s just the most amazing thing with the increase with the tangible presence of the Living God. Barbara, if you will go over to the teaching set. And I’m going to tell you something, the whole room is going to rock when she teaches and so will the room that you’re in right now.
BARBARA: We have bred big institutions and made them holding pens for believers when really the pattern of the New Testament church was they didn’t get everybody to go back in the upper room, put a steeple on it. And then because there were 2000 people crowding into what fit 120, they built a bigger upper room. We have been trying to get everybody in the church when we need to get everybody out of the church to where the people are. You are filled with waters. But until you let those rivers out, you are a dammed up place. And one of the words for breakthrough is “baal perazim”. But baal perazim is like the Hoover Dam. And the Hoover Dam being loosed out, that’s what God wants to loose. Can you imagine when the church gets loosed? I don’t know about you, but you need to just shout to God. You need to shout.
BARBARA: The word says that the shout shatters. The power of the enemy, if you look up the word “shout” in the Hebrew it literally means shatters what’s in the second heaven that’s standing against you. Some of you need to stand up and begin to shout because it shatters what’s in the second heaven that’s standing against you.
BARBARA: Oh yes. Oh yes. Oh yes. There’s things coming out many of you right now. Now keep standing. But what did He say? He said, “Clap your hands all you people. Shout unto God with a voice of triumph.” When you clap your hands you’re destroying the enemy. Don’t just clap your hands. Clap your hands with intention. Clap your hands with purpose. Clap your hands with determination because you are coming into a victory that you have never had. You are on the verge of breaking in to a ground you’ve never broken into before. Hallelujah! I want you to just lift both your hands. Just lift them up. When you lift up both your hands, what is that? That’s the sign of surrender and you’re surrendering to the God of gods, the King of kings, the Lord of lords. And I want you to say, “You reside inside of me.”
Audience: You reside of me.
BARBARA: You are the power inside of me.
Audience: You are the power inside of me.
BARBARA: I declare
Audience: I declare
BARBARA: I will no longer
Audience: I will no longer
BARBARA: Think as a natural man
Audience: Think as a natural man
BARBARA: Because a natural mind
Audience: Because a natural mind
BARBARA: Is at enmity with God.
Audience: Is at enmity with God.
BARBARA: But I will
Audience: But I will
BARBARA: Begin to think spiritually.
Audience: Begin to think spiritually.
BARBARA: The lion of the Tribe of Judah
Audience: The lion of the Tribe of Judah
BARBARA: Is roaring inside of me.
Audience: Is roaring inside of me.
BARBARA: In the power of the name of Jesus
Audience: In the power of the name of Jesus
BARBARA: And I am becoming
Audience: I am becoming
BARBARA: As a lion.
Audience: As a lion.
BARBARA: Now shout one more time.
SID: I heard of being immersed in water. I have heard of being immersed in the spirit. But have you ever heard of being immersed in love? Dr. Frances was subjected to a lot of bigotry because he was black and he was going to a white Bible school. And he was told to pray for a white couple, and he didn’t want to. But he loved God so much that he prayed for that couple, and he got baptized in love. Tell me briefly what happened.
DR. MYLES: Yes. All of a sudden, I’m looking at them and having difficulty trying to pray for them because of the bitterness and the anger was in my heart. A vial of liquid love was poured on my head and as it was coming down my mind became alive on how much God loved His people. I knew in that moment that God loves people beyond measure. And then by the time it got to my heart, I fell in love with this white couple more than I’ve ever felt for my own love.
SID: But you had bigotry your whole life. I mean, it wasn’t just the Bible school. I mean, how can you just instantly change like that? How could love this white couple with all that you went through?
DR. MYLES: It was so supernatural and it came up on me. As it came up on me and this baptism happened, my heart changed like this. It was so overpowering there was nothing I could do to stop it.
SID: Okay. This liquid love, you were praying for someone that had been insane for 20 years. What happened?
DR. MYLES: Yeah. They brought this woman, a difficult case to pray for because she smelled, because she was insane and used to sleep in the trash cans. So you can imagine when you have not taken a bath in 20 years, that’s not a good smell. And so everybody in the crusade was staying away from her because the smell was overpowering. The more she came close, I could smell her. And all of a sudden that liquid love came upon me and the smell disappeared. And as the liquid love came upon me, I saw into her spirit. Her spirit was encircled by thousands of demons. And then her spirit looked up to me and said, “Frances, I need your help.” And the Lord said, “Command them to unroll.” And I said, “Unroll in the name of the Messiah.” And it’s like an invisible hand reached out and touched one of the demons by the tail, and pulled him out, and the demons rolled out like that. And when the last one went out, the woman was instantly normal. And when she looked around, she was properly dressed . She began to say, “Why am I looking like this?” It was incredible. People started shouting and screaming.
SID: She was in her right mind.
DR. MYLES: Hallelujah. She was in her right mind.
SID: Okay. Now briefly, because we have just been invaded with a healing spirit of God’s love. But before I turn Dr. Frances loose, when Senator Obama was running for president, God told you, what did He say about him, that he would win?
DR. MYLES: He was 20 points behind Hillary Clinton. And what is amazing for me is my focus at that time was the Republican primary and I didn’t see it coming. But I went to sleep and I had a prophetic dream in which I was at the nomination ceremony for the nominee for the Democratic party, and I was in Denver. And when they opened the door, the announcer said, “Here comes our nominee, Senator Barak Obama.” And as he came through it was Barak Obama. And when he got to the podium and he began to give his nomination speech, his words were slurred because in the dream, he was drunk. And then all of a sudden, he went from being drunk to praying in tongues. And I’m like, what happened? When he started praying in tongues, some of the famous people around him began to walk away from him because they were shocked by him praying in tongues at the meeting. When it was all over, he walked out, and on his way out, he greeted me and then I woke up. And the Lord said, “He’s going to be president and he will be president twice.” He said, “The first year, the first term he’s going to govern as a liberal.” That’s the drunkenness you saw in the dream. But there’s a seed of Christ inside of him that has yet to be nurtured. And in the second term, as you pray, he will rise up and awaken to his faith and it will come a great political cause, politically, to some of his liberal friends who supported him, when he changes in mid-stream.
SID: Now this will only happen, listen to me, this will only happen if we pray. But I have to pay attention to the Holy Spirit right now. If you will pray for people, I believe we’re going to see more miracles. I mean, I believe there’s going to be an explosion of miracles. You felt the healing. Pray right now.
DR. MYLES: Right now in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Father, we come against cancers, we come against lupus, we come against diabetes. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I thank you for the healing power of illness leaving us right now in Jesus’ name, the Messiah. There’s a man by the name of [unintelligible], I see you had an accident in your pickup truck. I think it’s a blue Ford pickup. And since then you’ve had tremendous back spasms, and I think you were in construction and you can hardly work now. But I feel the healing power of God is coming to you right now. God is healing you. Then I see another woman that you are contemplating on what to do next because your doctors have told you that your cancer, you need a surgery for your cancer. But they are saying that you might lose your, you might go blind in order for them to take out this cancer. But the Lord is healing you right now. There will be no need for the cancer and you are not going to lose your eyes in the name of Yeshua, the Messiah. Halleluiah. Praise God. Praise God.
SID: Well I’ll tell you what. I’m still soaking in it. But what did God show you between 2012 and 2022 for America?
DR. MYLES: The Lord said the next 10 years are going to be known as the golden years of the Melchizedek quarter. He said there’s going to be a restoration about a clear understanding of the Melchizedek priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ, which will also lead to the greatest harvest of the Jewish people since the day of the apostles.
SID: Let that happen quickly. But what did He show you about the miraculous that will be on Earth?
DR. MYLES: Yes. He said, “During that 10 years,” He says, “My body will begin to understand fully what it means to function as a king and a priest who is representing me on Earth. And He said, “There is no king who is without power.” Whoever the king is has power. So He said, “As my people begin to function and kings and priests, we are going to see more miracles.” Either the church is going to go actually, it may even go beyond the healing work of what we saw some in the healing movement, because it’s going to be on a larger scale, not just evangelists, but it’s going to be the body walking in the supernatural.
SID: Has God shown you anything about what Paul calls the “one new man,” when all these Jewish people have encounters with God and then the ancient spiritual DNA on Jewish people mingles with the spiritual DNA on Christians. They come together and Paul calls it “one new man”. What do you believe that will happen at that time?
DR. MYLES: Well we’re going to see the greatest revival ever because it is literally Elijah’s double potion being released on the earth.
SID: And when Christians and Jews get a revelation of the blessings of Abraham, what are they, briefly, the blessings of Abraham.
DR. MYLES: Well the blessings of Abraham, very quickly, you know, Abraham, God blessed when he met Melchizedek. See, Abraham was called, in Chapter 12, but he was not blessed. God says, “I will bless you.” He got blessed. God said, “I will bless you,” in Chapter 12, became “I have blessed you.” When Melchizedek met him the blessing was released. Blessed be Abraham [unintelligible]. That’s when Abraham became blessed. So what we call the blessing of Abraham became the Melchizedek priesthood and it has several ingredients into it. One of them is the ability to represent the Melchizedek priesthood here on Earth. That’s when God wanted to destroy Sodom, He could not do it when talking to Abraham because he represented that priesthood on Earth. So God will now begin to deal with us before anything happens in our nations, because we’re representing a priesthood that is an executor of other nations. And so many things are attached to the blessing of Abraham.
SID: Well it’s time you have a revelation because if you’re Jewish and you believe in the Messiah, you have the full blessings of Abraham.
DR. MYLES: Yes.
SID: And if you’re gentile and you believe in the Messiah, you’re the same as Abraham’s seed by faith. So I pray you have a revelation of the blessings of Abraham. And when we go off the air, you jump over that bloodline and get free in Jesus’ name.
SID: Frances, explain what a generational curse is.
DR. MYLES: Well the Lord told me that a generational curse, if you break up the word, the word “generation” is made up of two words: “gene” and the word “aration”. He said a generational curse is a curse attached to generational genes you receive from you ancestors.
SID: Oh, so that’s interesting. The genes of your ancestors are the gene-arational, generational curse. Okay. And tell me how these patterns affect families.
DR. MYLES: They affect families, you know, because when Adam and Eve fell in the garden, see Adam and Eve were created with the DNA of God. And when they fell they lost that DNA. And so when they lost that DNA, now from Adam onwards, since the fall of Adam, every bloodline on the planet, no matter how famous it is, is compromised genetics. And because the enemy has demonic pathways in the genetics, he can still afflict God’s people even when they are believers because of whatever, what the Lord called liens, demonic liens against the DNA. And for some people demonic liens is spinsterhood. So no matter how beautiful the women are they never get married. Some people, it’s financial calamity. Whatever lien is in the bloodline, connected generational genes they receive from their ancestors, can affect their life tremendously.
SID: You have been shown things that I’ve never heard of before. For instance, where did you learn, what is and where did you learn to jump the line?
DR. MYLES: Well when the Lord came to me and visited me four years ago, He said to me, “It is time.” I said, “What do you mean, it is time?” He said, “It is time for my people to experience genetic salvation.” I said, “God, what is genetic salvation?” He said, “Genetic salvation is when the finished work of the cross is applied to the healing of my people’s genetics and giving them a new genetic inheritance.” So the enemy has no voice in the genetics to come against their prophetic destinies. And so He then took me into the spirit and He showed me a group of believers standing in front of a bloodline. But in the bloodline, standing in front of them was a lot of sound, like almost like a broken radio. And He said, “That sound you are hearing in the blood is a sound of iniquities from the forefathers that are fighting against my people coming into their destiny.” He said, “I want to silence that voice by my people receiving my genetic inheritance.” He said, “When I came to the planet my blood was shed not only to forgive your sins, but to create your own bloodline because Abraham missed the cursed bloodline.”
SID: So what does someone do when you tell them to jump the bloodline?
DR. MYLES: It’s a prophetic act. When they jump the prophetic bloodline, they’re simply saying prophetically that they are leaving the heritage of the compromised genetics of their ancestors and jumping to the Messiah’s flawless bloodline
SID: That sounds pretty good to me. Tell me about a businessman that did that.
DR. MYLES: We had a businessman who had four failed businesses and got a hold of this revelation in his garage. He did a prophetic act of renouncing his attachment and allegiance to natural lineage, corrupted lineage, and he embraced the Messiah’s lineage and jumped over the line. Within about three weeks, he was offered $5 million for one of his businesses. He never had that happen before.
SID: Okay. How about illness? Tell me about the woman with rheumatoid arthritis.
DR. MYLES: Yeah. There was a woman who had rheumatoid arthritis. And we asked her on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad it is, she said, “Twenty, plus there are days I ask Jesus to cut off my legs, it’s that bad.” She could hardly walk and getting in a [unintelligible] was hassle for church and getting out was another hassle. Well when she jumped the line, she could hardly jump actually, the pain was very difficult, but she did her best. When she jumped, within less than 15 seconds she began to run up and down the church. It was the most amazing thing.
SID: If God can heal someone of that type of lineage, He can change the DNA of any problem that you have, not just sickness, finances, family, all of these. When you come back, I want to find out some more about what God is showing you prophetically about what’s shortly going to happen to President Obama.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural.
You know when doctors give you bad reports and they say that your mother or your father died of cancer or heart trouble, it’s your DNA. Well my guest has been shown how to supernaturally change your DNA. He calls it genetic salvation in which God has literally shown him, and thousands of people have done this now. You go all the way, not just four generations, you go all the way where the flaw started, Adam and Eve, you break those curses and you’re walking in new DNA. Now my guest is African. He was born in Zambia. Dr. Myles, you Africans provoke me to jealousy no end. You understand the invisible world. Why does it appear as though the Africans that sell out to the Kingdom of God understand the supernatural better than us here in America?
DR. MYLES: Well that’s because in Africa you grow up in the [unintelligible] where it’s already charged for the supernatural. The only problem is charged the other way where it’s more the demonic supernatural, but you are raised to see witch doctors literally perform what would be signs and wonders if you did not know Jesus, astounding things. And you grow up around it so you are aware that we are not alone in this world. There is another world out there.
SID: But it’s hard to believe. At age 18, his body has painful boils, he drops to under a hundred pounds. And as he just said, he went to the doctors. They couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Then he went to the witch doctors. They couldn’t figure out what was wrong. He was in critical shape. But in the meantime, the nastiest student at his school had an encounter with the Lord. And so he saw such a transformation. He talked to him and this friend of his said, “Well if you come out to my church you’ll be healed.” So he’s not too interested in God and Jesus. He just wants to be healed. So he goes to the church, but he got something that he didn’t bargain for. He had a genuine encounter with the Living God. But he wasn’t healed. However, a month later a mysterious light comes into him. Tell me about that.
DR. MYLES: I was living with an alcoholic uncle. And I went to sleep on a bed that was on the floor. And all of a sudden the room I was in was filled with the most brilliant white light I’ve ever seen in my life. It was the manifestation of the Glory of God. And that white light filled into me from my head down to the sole of my feet, and the literally in seconds, unzipped my body like opening up a luggage. And my spirit stood up and I could see my lifeless body on the floor, on the bed. I could see everything. I was aware of everything around me, and my spirit looked like my body, you know. So then suddenly, the Glory of God lifted me up and I found myself on top of the roof of the house we were living in. I could see the neighborhood. And then all of a sudden, in front of me on top of the house, I see this demonic prince. I saw this demonic principality filled with what I could only call as rivers of hate. I had never seen so much hate out of anybody. Demons really hate people. And I looked at this demon and all of a sudden it came after me. But there was no fear in me, though.
SID: You’re a baby believer. How come you had no fear?
DR. MYLES: That was the most interesting thing, because you know, the way I was raised, I should be very afraid. Because we were raised to be afraid of the demonic world and what they can do to you. Witches are legend in Africa. So I should be afraid. But instead, there was zero fear in my spirit. As I looked, and by the way, when I looked at the demon, my spirit could scan the history of this spirit. I knew exactly the dimension of the spirit, what it could do. It was amazing, just like in seconds. And then when it reached out for me we began to fight, and it was a 50-50 percent fight, see. And all of a sudden, something changed. Right above us, the sky, the heavens opened up like around, it opened up. And as it opened up, the same shining glorious light that entered my bedroom covered the neighborhood where we were. I could see something very tiny in my neighbor’s yard. The whole neighborhood was covered with light. And I thought everybody is going to rise up and come out and watch what’s going on. They must be seeing this. And nobody came out. And then all of a sudden, so me and this demonic principality are now looking towards the heavens and we see a majestic golden hand of a man with a huge nail imprint in his hands, and it rested over us. And all of a sudden, a door opened out of his hand, a door.
SID: A door opens out of his hand.
DR. MYLES: A door opens and a blue scroll comes out. And he speaks as the scroll comes out, and he speaks to me and he says, “Son, use my word.” And the scroll comes and I touch it, and it goes into me. I’m a baby Christian and so the only scripture I know is John 3:16.
SID: “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son.” He knows this. Okay.
DR. MYLES: Yes. And so that’s the only thing I remember because coming from a Catholic background, that’s the only Bible I had, was John 3:16. And so I said it. I said, “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that we shall not perish.” When I said it, there was a lightening from one end of the heavens to the next. Then the lightening was followed by what I can call billions of thunders. It was the largest sound I’ve ever heard in my life. The authority of the Word shocked me. It was amazing me. Everything shook. And I thought the houses were going to collapse in the rubble. And the next thing that I saw was this demonic principality was lying flat, head first by my feet. After the Glory of God left and I got back into my body, I was instantly healed from three years of all the boils. Everything in my body, all the pain disappeared completely.
SID: I like that. Would you like that? You see, he saw this invisible world and he had such revelation on what he called genetic salvation. I want you to teach them that when we come back.
SID: The Spirit of God came into this studio just now. And I asked Norvel to worship God, and he said, “Sid, God is in this studio. God has something to say people. God wants to change your life.”
NORVEL: The two main things I learned. I learned to feed the poor. I learned to worship Him, which the church I went to, they didn’t worship God. They just simply sung songs and loved the Lord. They sung songs, but we had no worshiping classes. Nobody would worship. Nobody lifted their hands to worship the Lord. And God says, [unintelligible]. God says, “If you return to me, bow down before me, lift up your hands and worship me,” God says, “I will heal your land. You can have anything you want. You’re supposed to be living all the time, you and all the other Christians, in the abundant life. Jesus paid the price, my son paid the price that you live an abundant life.”
SID: Norvel, I want you to worship God the way you normally worship Him at home. Would you do that right now.
NORVEL: [crying] Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Father. I worship you, Lord. I praise you. I worship you, Jesus. Oh God, there is no other. Thank you, Jesus. I hold your name above all names on the earth, Jesus. I hold your name above all names on Earth. Thank you Jesus for loving us. Oh God, thank you for loving us, Jesus. He was so good to us. So good to us. I worship you, Lord and praise you. Thank you Lord for loving us in Heaven. Thank you for saving me. Thank you Lord for my being in your presence. Someday I want to be in your presence all the time. Oh God, in Jesus’ name. Worship me, son, worship. You worship me and I’ll show you how God, blessed be His holy name. Lord, I worship you forever and I promise you, Lord, I will never serve any other God. I’ll never worship any other God because I believe and I know that you are the true and living God, and there is no other. He suffered so long on the cross for me.
SID: Norvel, I’m seeing something right now. Norvel, I want you to pray for people with cancer and heart trouble. Would you do that?
NORVEL: Thank you Jesus. Lord, you know the gift that you put in my ministry for people that had bad hearts, everybody that’s looking on the screen, Lord, stretch your hands out to the screen. And pray this prayer, Lord, thank you, Lord. I remember the first time in [unintelligible] that you did this and you said, “I want to pump a new heart in the chest right now in different parts of the world. As they stretch their hand out to the TV screen, if they’re watching you, I ask you Heavenly Father in Jesus’ name to pump a new heart into the chest of everyone who has bad hearts. Thousands of them, pump a new heart in their chest that have a bad heart. Now Lord, those, there are hundreds and hundreds, and hundreds of people that have cancer and don’t know what to do. They think they have to die. Those that don’t know any better, they don’t have to die young. But Lord, you know better and I know better. I curse it. I know what you taught me in Heaven. You talked to me. I curse the roots of every cancer in Jesus’ name. The person that has cancer looking in on this TV program, I curse the roots of that cancer and I command the roots of it to die. Die, I said, in Jesus’ name. Just like the fig tree did when Jesus cursed it, die, roots. I command every cancer cell to die and disappear from that body. Thank you, Lord, for your Divine healing power flowing through the body from the top of the head to the soles of their feet, in Jesus’ name. Thank you, Lord.
SID: Now Norvel, you said that you have no down days. And if depression tries to hit you, what do you do?
NORVEL: Oh, I throw my hands up like this and say, thank you, Jesus, take a hold of me, Lord. The joy of the Lord is my strength. Oh, how I love Jesus because he first loved me.
SID: Do you force yourself to dance, too?
NORVEL: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I get up and dance a little bit and I sit back down and I’ll sing some more, sing some more until all depression leaves. Because the devil, the devil is not dead. He’ll try and put all kinds of things on you. But you’ll have to accept nothing he puts. You or me, nobody else has the power, the love that Jesus does. We don’t have to accept evil things that destroy us from the devil. We don’t have to accept that.
SID: I have an invitation for you, and that is don’t you ever forget that God says, you have to help people that are less fortunate than you. God says, worship me. Worship Him, not just for a few minutes on Sunday morning, but make it a lifestyle, because anything God has done for Norvel, He’ll do for you.
NORVEL: That’s right.
SID: He’ll even do it better, Norvel. I believe that. Don’t you.
NORVEL: Yeah. And Sid, there’s a third part to that while we’re on that subject.
SID: What’s that?
NORVEL: Make sure you pray for people because God says, if you pray for people you’ll be healed yourself. That’s in the scripture. Pray for people so you’ll be healed yourself. God likes for you to pray for people. Pray for people. Lord, I pray for people all over the world to be shown that your holy presence, Lord, that your healing power, Lord is [unintelligible] to cause all afflictions to disappear, bones straighten out, everything, blind eyes, [unintelligible] mind, total mind, [unintelligible] Jesus, you give it to them. I ask you to give it to them, Father, in Jesus’ name. Thank you, Lord, for doing it for them, because they need you, Lord. They’re just like me. You know I need you every day. Every day. I’d like for you to bless me every day. Thank you, Lord, for doing it for those that need help, look in the screen right now in Jesus’ name. I thank you for it, Lord. I praise you for it all the days I shall live. I praise you for it. Thank you, Lord, for letting me live. I’m 86 years old. I’ve told you I’d like to come home now, but I don’t have to come home now because you remember, Jesus, I tell you all the time, I haven’t forgotten what you did for me on the cross. Why would I want to go home now? If I can get a few more people to you, Lord, if I can get a few more people healed.
SID: Let me tell you a reason you don’t want to go home right now, Norvel. I can tell you a good reason. We’re about ready to see the greatest move of God’s spirit on Planet Earth and I want to see Norvel involved. I want to see him mentoring you and discipling you, and I want to see you involved. It’s time to get out of the chair in the entertainment sport called church and go out in the highways and byways, and compel them to come in. I compel you in Jesus’ name to make Jesus your Lord.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Norvel Hayes. And I’m on the edge of my seat because he’s been to Heaven and I want him to tell me what he saw. But before that, Norvel, I’m reminded of May Stafford. You said, “God, I want to see some miracles like I read in the Bible.” And according to my notes, May had six deadly diseases.
NORVEL: That’s right.
SID: Tell me what was wrong with her and what happened.
NORVEL: She was blind. Her mind was gone. She had been in an old people’s home for 11 years with palsy.
SID: She was in a wheelchair.
NORVEL: Yes. She would go to church in a wheelchair. She would sit in a wheelchair. She couldn’t walk. The Lord said to me, “Pray for that lady. Go lay your hands on that lady. Lay your hands on that lady.”
SID: So you laid hands on May Stafford and what happens?
NORVEL: My hands touched her like this and it was so strong. And when I touched her like this and all of a sudden, I never saw this before. All of a sudden, like that, and I looked down and she’s not in the wheelchair. The wheelchair is empty. And about a thousand people screamed out all at once [scream]. I looked around and this woman came walking, blind and everything. She’s on the other side of the church. I turned to her on the other side of the church. She’s running around in a circle screaming, “Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!” And all of a sudden, there she was, 20/20 vision. All of a sudden, her mind came back to her.
SID: Her mind was totally gone.
NORVEL: Totally gone. She took to her wheelchair. She needed help getting this wheelchair and she pushed it around. I mean, the healing just about took the church over. [unintelligible]
SID: Well, I mean, you provoke me to jealousy. You tell me about all the people that get new hearts and all the people that get healed of cancer when you pray. And God has blessed your health. God has blessed you, everything about you, your finances, your family. Tell me what you saw in Heaven. What did it look like? What did you experience?
NORVEL: This world came from Heaven. You understand that? They have lakes. They have grass. They have flowers. They have fruit trees. The difference here, you go over to a peach tree, you pull a peach off. That’s it, you know, and you pull it and it falls on the ground. Where in Heaven, you go over to a peach tree or apple tree, you pull a rotten peach off and the moment you pull it off, another ripe peach comes on the tree all ready to eat. The thing that impressed me more than everything in the world in Heaven was my breathing. In Heaven, every time you breathe, you feel the presence of God. Every breath I’d take I breathe in the presence of God. Oh, it feels so good going all the way down to body to my feet. It feels so good. The next breath feels better.
SID: Heaven sounds perfect.
NORVEL: And the main thing I saw was a big building. And He let me walk through the building and in all the different rooms. And all the different rooms had little furniture, small furniture. And I couldn’t figure, what is this? Is this a dollhouse or what?
SID: Okay. Then many years later after that experience in Heaven, you’re in a car and all of a sudden the drive disappears and you have a vision about your life work.
NORVEL: That’s right.
SID: Tell me the vision.
NORVEL: I was riding a car, you know. All of a sudden, God came in real strong and everything disappeared. I couldn’t see the driver. I couldn’t see the palm trees [unintelligible] in West Florida. I couldn’t see nothing. And then it’s just like, whoosh. And I was taken up to a higher level. And I looked down like this and the only thing I could see, I could see the palm trees, I could see little bitty, teeny kids that needed help. That’s all I could see. A whole circle around like this, you know, and I’m in the middle of them. And I looked around me and they’re all looking at me. All of them are looking at me like this right here. Help me. Help me. Help me, please help me. I don’t want to die. I don’t want to die. Help me! Help me! Help me! And so God said to me, “I haven’t forgotten about the little children and what you saw in Heaven, would they live. I haven’t forgotten about them.” He said, “And I want you to get me a building. Help me, son,” God said to me, “help me, son. Help me save the little children.”
SID: What did it do to your children when you saw those little children going like this, help, help, help! I could just picture these aborted babies going, help, help, help! What did it to you?
NORVEL: It made me want to take every one of them into my arms and find them a place to live and give them food. That was probably some 35 years ago. Now the older I got, I’m 86 now, and I’ve never lost the vision, seeing, trying to do what God wants you to do. The older you get, the [unintelligible] it gets.
SID: The two things that Norvel learned in Heaven, one, help people that are in need. You see, God is love and He’s concerned about the homeless. He’s concerned about the aborted babies. He’s concerned about the hungry. And the second thing is worship God, not just for a few minutes on a Sunday morning, but as a lifestyle. And I’m going to ask Norvel to worship God the way he does in his home. But most people, they don’t do this in their home. They just do it for a few minutes on a Sunday morning. And I tell you, the favor that Norvel operates under, you are going to operate under because this is a change in your destiny. Don’t go away.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Norvel Hayes. He is going to answer a question that I believe every single one of you have asked at one time or another. You see, Norvel was just a young boy, 10 years of age, and his mother who was a faithful Baptist, went around witnessing to people, she gets cancer and at age 37, she dies. And Norvel, that crushed you. You were, what, about 10 years of age. Your mother dies.
NORVEL: I cried for four years.
SID: Four years you cried.
NORVEL: Yeah. I cried for four years. My mother died. Every time I thought about my mother I’d have to leave the room and I went out the house and cried my eyes out.
SID: And you got to the point where you said, okay God, I need an answer.
NORVEL: Yes I did.
SID: Tell me the question you asked God.
NORVEL: I asked God why didn’t He heal her? I said, “Because I know you’re a healer, Jesus, but I don’t understand why you didn’t heal her. She has a soul in her and you say that one soul is worth more than the whole world. Well you let my mother die rather than live, and she could save a number of souls for you, worth more than the world. And you are a healer. Now why didn’t you heal her?” He said, “I didn’t kill your mother with cancer.” God said, “I had nothing to do with it. Nothing.” He said, “I couldn’t heal her.” I said, “That makes no sense to me for you to say that because I read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and you healed everybody in town on this earth. You’re the same as you were then.”
SID: So why couldn’t He heal her?
NORVEL: He said, “The church she went to, they failed to teach her about my divine healing power. So therefore, she didn’t know a thing about it. If they had taught her correctly she could have got healed.”
SID: You know what comes to me Norvel, the scripture that says, “My people die for the lack of knowledge.”
NORVEL: That’s exactly right. He said, “My people,” that’s Christians, “my people for the lack of knowledge. You have a church out here. But just because you have a church with a bunch of people, that’s no sign you’re doing anything much.
SID: You know Norvel, even today most churches fail to teach about the divine healing power. But Norvel has a passion for people to understand Bible faith, for people to be healed. And cancer and heart conditions, forget it. You stand no chance when Dr. Norvel stands up. Now Norvel was a successful businessman. He had 14 businesses at one time.
NORVEL: And 14 secretaries.
SID: And 14 secretaries.
NORVEL: One for each business.
SID: Many of them were million-dollar businesses. And all of a sudden, as he likes to say, he was minding his own business and God speaks to him. What did God tell you?
NORVEL: I was saying a little prayer in my heart one night. And I couldn’t understand and I began to weep. And He said, “You’re killing yourself. You’re working so hard. You’re killing yourself and you’re not doing anything for me.”
SID: Okay. I want to jump forward now. You go to a dump and you see a little girl there that had a major, profound impact on your life. Tell me about that.
NORVEL: Yeah I did. This little girl walked up to me, just holding a glass bottle, she said, “This is all the milk I’ve got.” Well when she said that, the Holy Ghost jumped in me and rose up like this, and I couldn’t even talk. I turned my face toward Heaven and I said, “God, is this the kind of ministry you’ve given me for leaving the church?” And the Lord said to me just as plain, “My son, be faithful to me here and I will promote you. I am going to set you on a high hill and the light of God will shine from you to many men. Now you go in peace in Jesus’ name. Go in peace. Go in peace and trust me. Go in peace. Love thy neighbor as thyself.”
SID: I want to find out what Norvel Hayes saw in Heaven. He’s been there several times. I’ve never been there. I’ve read about it in the Bible. But I want to find out why it was so wonderful he didn’t even want to come back. But you come back.
SID: Sid Roth here with Zona Hayes-Morrow. Zona, you’ve been attacked with life-threatening things and you have won each time. In ’94, you had what the doctors diagnosed as kidney failure. Tell me about that.
ZONA: They diagnosed me to be put on dialysis and I got down to 64 pounds, and I was getting tired. That’s how people die, is when they get tired.
SID: I’ve seen people get so tired that they give up.
ZONA: That’s exactly right.
SID: That’s when the devil hits you.
ZONA: But any disease, anything, any kind of a disease or high blood pressure, or diabetes is a name that a doctor put on the devil, period.
SID: I like that. I like that.
ZONA: And it’s not normal, you know. And so I asked the Lord, I said, “What do I do, Lord?” I mean, I was talking to Him. I never said it out loud. I never, I talked very little when I was on dialysis. Because you start talking symptoms, and symptoms are, they’re not real and they’re symptoms. And so I asked the Lord what to do, and He said, “I want you to go on the dialysis center and there’s 50 dialysis recliners in there. I want you to take a blanket and I want you to put the blanket over your head because you cannot watch and see what that machine is doing. It’s taking all of your blood out of your body and cleansing it, and putting it back in your body. Don’t watch that or you’ll get more tired and that’s when you’ll die.” I said, okay.
SID: So did you really pull the blanket over your head?
ZONA: I sure did.
SID: What did other people think? They thought, I just went in automatically and I put the blanket on me, and stuck my arm out. I had a fistula and they put needles in my arm, and they all of course, they were hollering at me, “Zona, Zona, Zona,” and they said, “put the blanket down.” And I thought, no, I’m not doing it. I’m not going to look at the machine. So for three months I never looked at the machine again.
SID: You know, Zona, you told me something else that impressed me. You see, as a young girl she would go around with her father, but really wouldn’t listen to a word he was teaching. She had it memorized, but she really didn’t have it in her heart, wasn’t really comprehending, you know, she was tuning him out. Then God tells you to read his books.
ZONA: When I read my father’s book, see, this was two years before I was attacked again. He said, “I want you to read my book through seven times. Then I want you to read it through once a month until I tell you to quit because you’re going to need it.” I had to keep, I had to start building myself up for, when they diagnosed me with dialysis the second time, they gave me 24 hours to live if I did not go on dialysis the second time. And when I did that, the Lord, I mean, He just miraculously, when I didn’t react, I did not react when they said, you’re going to have to go back on dialysis. All I said was, to myself, not again. And so I got, I just started praying and just kept real quiet except when speaking to the Lord. And it’s just, you know, I saw myself healed. I’d stand in the bathroom and I’d close the door, and I’d take a glass of water. I poured it in the commode. I’d tear toilet tissue off. I’d flush the commode and I’d say, “Thank you Lord for a miracle in my kidneys.” I’d flush the commode. I’d go to the sink, put the cup down, wash my hands, straighten my clothes. I did that about five or six times a day because faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God.
SID: So you were seeing yourself as a healed person using the toilet normal, flushing the commode. You picture what she’s doing? I mean, that is such a stubborn faith. If you hadn’t exercised that stubborn faith, do you think you’d be here right now
ZONA: I would not. I would not. If I didn’t remember how my dad stood in the gap for me, how he stood in the gap for the growths, I was a six-month baby, a six and a half, seven-month baby, and I weighed four pounds, 10 ounces when I was born. Got a blood disease, got ran over by the car and the car drug me under and dropped me off. Different things that happened and the devil, the first time that Spirit of Death came to me he said, “I am going to kill you because you’re the closest thing I can get to Norvel Hayes to make him stop.” That’s exactly.
SID: But he missed. He made a mistake.
ZONA: That’s right.
SID: He picked on this little lady that says, devil, that’s enough. I believe that you can pray right now and people are going to be healed all over the audience. Would you do that?
ZONA: Yes I will. Father, in Jesus’ name I pray for all these people, Lord, the viewers, the people in the audience here, and I thank you Lord for your healing power, your authoritative power, death and life, for the power of love, not when your afraid. In the power of love, I thank you Lord that your healing power flows from the top of their head to the souls of their feet, driving out everything that’s not victory in their minds, in their bodies, in their families, in their finances, every single thing. Satan, you’re a liar. You take your hands. Diabetes, you go in Jesus’ name. High blood pressure, you go in Jesus’ name. Kidney stones, go in Jesus’ name. Liver problems, go. I speak to every person’s body right now that’s viewing this program, and I thank you Lord. All they have to do is start thanking you, Jesus, for your miracle working power, for your healing power flowing through my body, in your delivering power in Jesus’ name. Amen.
SID: Zona, tell me something good that has happened to you, something good, very quickly, because this was a staggering dream you had of people in Hell. Very quickly, tell me about that.
ZONA: Well I’ve seen a lot of flaky people. I’ve seen, you can’t compromise. Your ministry is, your success in ministry in serving God is in your character and integrity, not how good you preach, in your character and integrity first. And I had a dream of Hell, and I saw, I was on a cliff. I saw a cliff and I saw people falling into Hell with bibles. That’s what I saw.
SID: So the outside isn’t what counts. It’s the inside. Do you have the Word of God, the Messiah of Israel inside of you? Well if you have sin inside of you, he can’t be inside of you. This is the good news. If you repent of your sins, turn from those sins and turn to God, He’ll give you the power to overcome. He’ll cause your sins to be wiped away and then you ask Him to live inside of you and be Lord of your life, and then you read the Bible and you serve Him. It’s so simple. You need help to be confused, but where we’re living right now in the times we’re living right now, if you do not turn to God, you’re meshuggah. That’s a Hebrew word and it means “crazy”. Stop being meshuggah. Make Jesus your Lord. Let me tell you something. There is no greater peace, purpose, meaning than making Jesus Lord in your life.
SID: Sid Roth here with Doug Weiss. Dr. Weiss, there are so many people that are addicted to things like pornography and they seem as though they’re stuck.
DOUG: Yes, yes.
SID: Why are they so stuck?
DOUG: Well, Westerners like to talk to Jesus, talk to God, but they don’t want to talk another person because of pride. Okay. James says, if we confess our faults, Jesus will forgive us and cleanse us. But in James 5:16 it says, “If I confess my faults to my brother, to another, then I may be healed and my prayers will be effective.” So I can be forgiven, but not healed. That’s why they’re stuck. They’re forgiven, but not healed. They’re using that verse backwards. If Doug keeps his secrets to himself, he’s guaranteed to stay sick and his prayers will be ineffective. That’s why they’re not working. So they’re stuck.
SID: You know, someone heard Doug’s teaching and he’s an usher in a church. And he said, “I’m going to do something about it.” Tell me about that.
DOUG: Well he got tired of men being stuck, because he was hearing about it. So when I came, I did a men’s conference. And he said, “I’m going to start talking to guys.” So he knew all the guys at church. He would grab them by the hand and hold their hands, Sid, and he would say, “When was the last time you were inappropriate with yourself or inappropriate with images?” He’d look them right in the eye. And the guy did that looked down, he said, “We’re going to talk about and then if it’s real serious you can go huddle up. I am not going to stay watching you stay sick anymore.” He was just tired of it in his church. And just one guy changed so many men’s lives because he changed the rules of engagement. I’m going to ask and they’re going to tell me. And he was old enough that he could get away with it. It was great.
SID: We handle a little bit of this. But tell me some practical steps that you can do.
DOUG: Sure. Real practical like getting rid of thoughts of lust. Get a rubber band, put it on your wrist. Any time you lust or scan a woman, snap it.
SID: That hurts.
DOUG: It hurts. Ring the bell, spank the dog. Right.
SID: Pavlov. Okay.
DOUG: Yeah. Eighty percent of your lust life will shut down in one month. Okay. Get the porn blocker on your cell phone, on your computer. Stop that stuff from going on. If you’re engaged in any kind of Internet inappropriate texting or Facebooking, shut those things off. Most of us don’t need social media. We just don’t need it. Shut those things off if they’re dangerous for you. And women need to get engaged by asking intelligent questions and making sure the porn blocker is on, and making sure that your husband is actually taking some responsibility for his son’s sexual development. And there’s a lots of teaching on that. Any guy can become an expert even though his dad failed him like my dad failed me.
SID: Tell me about a real life person. Tell me about Dwayne.
DOUG: Dwayne is a sad case because Dwayne kind of was like me. He had a pornography problem, but he had a secret, right. He met a good Christian girl, married her, but never told her.
SID: Okay. I’ve heard the phrase, “Our secrets make us crazy.” Is that true?
DOUG: Yeah. Our secrets make us sick. They show up. First lust, then sin, then death. They show up. So what happens is he kept the secret. Then he meets somebody. He has an affair. Okay. Now he’s a successful business guy at this point. He’s 15 years into the marriage. Right. Has an affair, gets the girl pregnant. Now he not only has to tell his wife he had an affair, now he has another child. See, he didn’t have to have that happen. No man needs to have that happen. No woman married to a man needs to have this happen to her. If they clean up first, they don’t have to go through this process. But if we don’t clean up, what happens is then our sin will eventually expose us, because God loves us and He wants us to have a supernatural clean life in which these things are not a part of life, these consequences are not happening, and that will prevent some of that [trouble].
SID: You talk about, in the last days, these Jezebel spirits will be raised up. Explain.
DOUG: Well that’s already all over the world. And it basically says, no matter what your spiritual belief, you can be sexually immoral, that sex and spirituality are separate. That’s not true. That’s a lie. And what happens is when you believe that lie, you start getting seduced and once you get seduced, your destiny gets reduced. Does that make sense? So if the enemy can seduce you, he can reduce you.
SID: Do you realize that one indiscretion will, could possibly ruin your entire life? So some of you already know this the hard way. But if you are battling right now, right at this moment, there’s so many wonderful steps that you can take. But they’re not just psychological steps. They are supernatural steps. For instance, you at this point, how many years have you been free?
DOUG: Over 25 years, Sid.
SID: Okay. I want every one of you say a prayer. I would like, would you like to know that prayer that Doug himself says every single morning? I’d like to hear it.
DOUG: Yeah. When I wake up, I’ll say, Lord, I hate the lust of all women. I commend my mind, my will, my emotions to instantly reflectively cast them down. Lord, I am a thousand percent satisfied with my wife, my family, my life and business. And I just declare those things because, I mean, gosh, you can’t travel anywhere or be anywhere where things can’t hit you. But I make a commitment before I hit the floor that I’m going to cast that thing down. Because it’s not going to take away my destiny. My destiny is to set the nations free, and that’s mine. And God gave it and God wants to see it happen. Amen. So every man has a destiny. Every woman has a destiny. But like the people in Israel, we have to fight for our promised land. Do you know what I’m saying?
SID: I understand that. Where is God in this? I don’t understand how a man, I understand how a man could be addicted. But I don’t understand how a man would not do everything possible to be free if they know God. But people just don’t do it. Why?
DOUG: Well sometimes they don’t know how to do it, like I didn’t. I did not know. I was quoting scripture, memorizing, fasting and praying. That’s what I knew, but it wasn’t enough. I didn’t know to confess my faults. Now when God told me to I started to do that.
SID: Someone watching right now, they have their secret sin. What they can do about it as far accountability? What would you recommend? Who should they go to?
DOUG: Go to your spiritual leader. That’s what they’re there for. And you say, what? They’ve heard it before. I mean, since the Internet we hear it almost every day. I mean, Sid, so many pastors call me and say, you know, “A friend of mine or someone in my congregation, or one of my people on staff they’re struggling, Doug. Can we send them to you?” And we say, sure, that’s great. And they get well and they get free. And what’s happening, what’s really exciting, Sid, is that when this man or woman gets clean and free, their incomes can often double, their ministries return back to their life, their destinies are taken up. And here’s what’s also exciting. I had a couple who flew in from Canada to do intensives in my office, and their children’s destiny have been relit. You know what I’m saying?
SID: The Bible talks about generational sin.
SID: In other words, you’re not just protecting yourself, you’re not just protecting your marriage, you’re protecting your children, your grandchildren, you’re great-grandchildren, you’re great-great-grandchildren, and the gifts and calling of God are without repentance, which means, wherever you’re at, you will not miss your destiny, but stop now, right now.
SID: Let me tell you one other thing. I don’t understand people that willfully continue sinning after becoming believers. Why? Because when I became a believer, I had an encounter with evil. I know the reality of the dark side, of the demonic, of the devil, and I wouldn’t want to play footsy with the devil for all the money in the world. Where is the healthy fear of the Living God?
SID: Here’s what the Bible says: “Those that die,” Daniel says, “Some will rise to everlasting life,” that’s with God, “and others to everlasting condemnation. Why would you die, O house of Israel?” Choose life.
SID: Repent of your sins. Believe the blood of Jesus washes it away.
DOUG: Yes, yes.
SID: And make Jesus Lord of your life.
SID: Say it with your mouth right now. Get right with God now.
DOUG: Yes, yes.