Sid: My guest Karen Wheaton is… that’s kind of an understatement red hot for the Messiah. Karen I have to think you have ministry with young people called “The Ramp.” I think they keep you pretty young and pretty red hot for the Messiah; do they?
Karen: I think that’s why I love hanging around with young people so much they make me kind of forget how old I am. But then the good thing is in the spirit we never really age do we.
Sid: No but let me take you back you started talking as an 11 year old you spoke at church. The anointing came all over you, but just out of curiosity what affect did it have on those that heard you?
Karen: I began to see the people weeping and worshiping and the Holy Spirit; the word of God says the anointing destroys the yoke of bondage. In their worship when you are ministering in the anointing I believe He reaches deep down into unseen places of the heart and brings healing and life and deliverance in ways that sometime are seen with the naked eye and other times are seen in places only the Holy Spirit knows. But He can reach and heal the hurting with the anointing of His presence.
Sid: You know speaking of healing, I take a look at a ministry like Benny Hinn, I believe the single catalyst to the great miracles that happen there it is the worship. Why is worship so important for people to manifest they’re healings?
Karen: I believe it’s because people get their eyes on Jesus; when they’re able to take their eyes off of the circumstance, or off of their even the pain in their natural body, and they’re able to look up and see the glory His face. Because when you begin to worship Him you see Him; when you worship Him He comes it’s the promise in His Word He inhabits our praise. And when He comes He comes with healing in His wings; He brings deliverance; He brings whatever we need and that is the guarantee of His presence is when we see Him.
Sid: Now when you worship when you have your meetings with “The Ramp” of these teenagers you’re seeing literally everything I read about in the Bible you’re seeing the blind see, the deaf hear, people being set free of addictions of all kinds, being set free from homosexuality; the from the addictions of pornography, suicides are being aborted. It must be wonderful but it all comes from that intimacy with God and somehow you managed to create such a God hunger within the people for His presence. But I want to take you back shortly after you were filled with the Holy Spirit you saw an angel; tell me what you saw. Was this angel anything like the angels sometimes we see on television?
Karen: Well Sid it was a unique experience I never forgot it; it happened shortly after I had received the Holy Spirit at the age of 8. It was a very significant experience for me when I received the Holy Spirit. Shortly after I was lying in bed in the middle of night obviously sound asleep my sister Janet was asleep in bed with me that night. I woke up because the light in my room was so bright it was as if someone had turned a very bright light on in my room. When I woke up I opened my eyes to see standing in the doorway of my bedroom was a beautiful angel it was so white from head to toe it was glowing it was so bright indescribably bright. And yet I could its features I could see its facial features I could see as though it were clothed in light and yet it almost looked as though it were a robe; and yet it looked as though it were light. I could see its hands one on top of the other; it was moving toward me it was toward me where I was lying in the bed. I had no fear; I was not afraid of it I sat straight up in the bed; I reached my hands out toward it I was going to get up I wanted to go toward it I wanted to touch it. My sister woke up and didn’t see anything except she saw me sitting up and she saw both of my hands outstretched. She took her hand and pulled the back of my gown to keep me in the bed. As I began to reach toward the angel it stopped. The angel had lights coming out of its eyes like flashlight beams and they were on me; these beams of light were on me. And the angel did not seem to want me to touch it, it began to back up and it backed out of my bedroom and oddly enough it was as though it ascended straight up in the ceiling of the house and left.
Sid: Now you know I’m just naturally curious about angels I have actually seen an angel that appeared as a person to me. What did this angel look like? Did it look like a person?
Karen: It somewhat looked like a person yes, there was so much light around it I could see its eyes, I could see its face I could see its hands. I could not see its feet, it was as though it went into just smoky cloudish at the bottom of it. I could see its facial features so yes in that sense it did look like somewhat of a person, yes.
Sid: So at 17 you went to Bible school out at the old PTL Network, and you started being a regular on the PTL Show how did that happen?
Karen: I went to school where Jim Bakker had opened the School of Ministry to begin the Fall of 1978 I was 17 years old. Oddly enough Sid I went to major in Christian drama. I loved drama as it’s still what we do today and I thought he would have Christian soap operas and I thought “Yes, I can do Christian drama.” I had been there only a couple of weeks when they said that my accent was so southern I could only be used in comedies. (Laughing)
Karen: I was devastated, but it caused me to sing one night in a Christian supper club that Jim Bakker owned and I was singing on a Friday night in that little supper club oddly enough the song I did was “He Ain’t Never Done Me Nothing But Good.” So if that’s southern enough for ya.
Sid: That’s southern. (Laughing)
Karen: He happened to walk in that night and asked me to be on the program Monday morning and from that experience on his program on that Monday morning it literally opened the door to the world for television. It’s a door that has opened and has never closed since. It really launched me into the ministry that I’m doing today.
Sid: Very briefly tell me about the song “For Every Mountain.”
Karen: For every mountain is a song dear to my heart; I have learned that in the places of challenge we can find a place to worship. Do you remember the old song Andre Crouch sang years ago “Through it all, through it all..
Karen: I’ve learned to trust in Jesus; I’ve learned to trust in God.” so that through the places of trial and pain and hurt although our Father does not bring evil upon us and He never has He takes those placed and uses them for our good. Takes what the enemy means to destroy us with and turns it for our good and His glory. So in the places of pain I can look back and say “Father even for that I can give You praise.”
Sid: In other words you’re going to win either way as long as you keep your eyes on Jesus. (For Every Mountain)
Karen: Worship excerpt “For Every Mountain.”
Sid: That was Karen Wheaton singing “For Every Mountain.”
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be normal which the world cause radical but God calls normal for His Kingdom. And God is doing some amazing things, I have a young man on the telephone his name is Shawn Bolz I’m speaking to him at his home Foley, Alabama, he’s part of White Dove Ministries. Literally he has just come out with a book called “Keys to Heaven’s Economy.” And it’s in referenced to an angelic visitation that he had from the Minister from the Minister of Finance. There’s so many things and insights into the last days in your book from your angelic visitations. The thing that intrigues the most is you had a brother that died at age 4 from Leukemia as a result the whole family that was unsaved at the time came to know the Lord. But obviously your brother did not fulfill his destiny he was taken way to early; there was an anointing on his life. But there are a lot of people not just death but just sin that don’t fulfill their destiny and just as you picked up God showed you, you picked up the Divine destiny that was on your brother life, the Divine inheritance on your brother’s life. What did God and angel the show you in reference to these anointing’s that are in eternity that are available to us today?
Shawn: Well, I want to tell you a small story that’s actually not in the book but it’s a picture of what the inheritance that are available for us based on Hebrews 11:39 where it says “These were all commended for their faith yet none of them received what had been promised God had planned something better that for us not only together with us they would be made perfect.” So with us they are going to be made perfect in their calling; that God promised them something that never was fulfilled. I had an encounter where I went into a place in the Spirit called the abortion room, or the room where they aborted in Heaven. It was everybody who has ever been aborted in a generation of people since abortion has been legal just in America and so it’s probably more people than just in America but I was seeing those ones. And I was listening to them there was a definite war for justice for they were crying out for justice and I couldn’t I was overwhelmed and I couldn’t take what I was hearing because their screaming they we’re saying “Our purpose was cut off, our purpose was cut short.” And all of sudden it’s like Jesus had me focus on one of them and it was a young girl who was 18 years old and she began to scream forth, “I had a calling, I had a destiny before I was even created You had planned something good for me to share with Jesus that His inheritance could be brought forth, and it was cut short and I demand justice based on Your virtue.” And as she was saying this, Jesus and all the crowd of Heaven was watching her and then she pointed down on the earth and she pointed at her sister who was not aborted who would have been 16 at the time and she said “Would you allow for her to walk in the worship calling that I had.” She loves to sing but would you add to her everything that was available to me that she could walk in the fullness of her purpose but also have an additional virtue with a nature of Christ visit her to be expanded by His nature for the sake of me inheriting what you called me to inherit?” And all of Heaven listened for Jesus’s response and He looked at her and said “Yes, I’ll do that in this generation.” So we’re walking in a generation where people are called, and I was called to receive part of my brothers inheritance and his mantle of what he would have done in his destiny so that I can have more available to me so that I can walk in a greater measure so Jesus can get a greater measure. It’s not about me, it’s about Jesus. So I believe that He’s offering things that would have been laid down whether it’s from sin or because someone died a mantle that’s been left you know just in the dust; something that’s just been left behind that God still has an intention to use in our generation. And I believe that there’s going to be people who are expanded by several callings of people who have gone one earlier, people who were prematurely killed or people who fell into sin and all of a sudden that is still there available for access for believers who would go into any industry that God’s calling them to whether it’s a Hollywood producer who fell short of his calling and he made movies that had his agenda not God but all of a sudden God said “This is still available for somebody who would pursue it in My Name.” And so there is expansion of His nature that He wants to bring people.
Sid: Well, I see how you got this. I mean you got caught up in the Spirit you had a visitation of an angel but how do I get this? How do those listening to us get these ancient anointing’s and mantles that where the people didn’t finish what they were supposed to do?
Shawn: I think God is offering it and He’s making Himself available in an easy way and I think if we just even think about what He’s making available to us individually and we ask Him to show us the people He’s surrounded us with; the people that we relate the most to. Like recently I released a word through our ministry about Rosa Parks who was just a great civil rights movement leader and one of the greatest there ever was in America; she was the mother of the civil rights movement. And I saw as she died that there was going to be a greater mantle released of what she carried to a whole generation of people and there has to be a desire in us to access something where we want to even go further than those who went with those mantles went with those who went with those anointing’s.
Sid: Now when we think of a mantle we don’t think of a civil rights worker we think of someone with a healing anointing but there are these mantles in every strata of society is what’s your saying.
Shawn: God raised up George Washington and I know that he had all the down sides that he had but he was a man who created a pattern in our nation that I believe someone needs to take that further. And If we go back to the people like if we feel called to the government and we start ask God who in government served you; who in government touched your heart; who in government took your anointing into the governmental political arena and how do I go further than that? How do I access a pattern that they already established that they fall on and how do I even take it further? Because we do not want to go backwards we want to go forwards. I believe that God is releasing these callings and these mantles from Heaven for these industries and for these places and that He’s raising up token examples right now of a lot of the fathers and mothers and the grandmothers and grandfathers are going home right now we’ve seen a great multitude of people in the church and in the world who were Christian’s who have gone home recently I believe that what they carried is available now; that they’re ceiling is now our floor.
Sid: You know what I’m thinking is as you’re speaking even the greats that we’re talking about didn’t fulfill all they could have done.
Sid: Because of the human factor so that’s all available so again I’m kind of a practical guy let’s suppose I want to pick up an anointing in television, which I do all over the world and have a show all over the world. If you were me what would you be doing right now?
Shawn: I would begin to ask Jesus and ask Heaven for the resources; ask the Father for the resources to be poured out for that show and also the divine favor, the network connections, the places that you need to be. He’s already prepared the way for you and He already has a greater desire for you to enter in that than you do yourself. So you can take out the human factor, or add in the human factor it doesn’t matter He desires His face to be seen on every television station, every television global networks, satellite network there is. And so if you want to participant and partner with that then that blesses His heart, it pleases His heart and so you can begin to access that which He has made available in our generation which is greater than what we see.
Sid: Are you saying that we have not because we ask not?
Shawn: I am absolutely saying that.
Sid: And I happen to believe that Heaven is drawing so much closer to earth right now the realm of Heaven eternity is growing it’s just coming so much closer to earth that everything is going to speed up.
Sid: Well, tell me about… let’s get another example let’s suppose someone is a violinist what should they be praying for?
Shawn: I think that they should be praying for sounds from Heaven; when I went into that storehouse of Heaven which we can talk about I saw that there was a realm of creativity and a realm of music that we haven’t even touched yet. There’s s that have been only in the throne room since they were created worshiping but I believe that this generation is representing and coming into the final generation whether we are that or not, there is a coming into there is a transitional period right now that’s happening. And I believe that we have available to us sounds that have never been released and ways to put music together even technicality, scientifically all those things that have never been done before even using computers and all those things. And so there is a violinist who wants to serve God whether it’s secular or Christian in their in their nature of how they want to serve Him because they may want to be in an orchestra or they may want to be…
Sid: Why would God want someone in a secular orchestra?
Shawn: It’s the same reason why when you go into a law office and you see art on the walls, that He used Christian’s to have that art on the walls and He wants Christians inspired Christians to paint something that cause people to see justice so that when they walk into a legal office they have security in the justice system of God and not necessarily the justice system of man. And there’s somebody that tends to contend for the higher realm of justice. Same with music a violinist who would go into the secular arena to play music that would remind people of eternity even if they don’t hear it in their mind they hear it in their heats and their hearts begin to be awakened for the eternal destiny of music in Heaven and worshiping in Heaven.
Sid: So you are saying all of earth is a symphony and we have a lot of people that know how to play the pastor instrument and the evangelist instrument, but we don’t have too many people in every other arena of society.
Shawn: Absolutely, if we don’t send our children like missionary’s into these industries then we’re not going to hit the places where Jesus wants to inherit the most. I think that part of the reason why the church in the western world is even it’s still growing very rapidly but not as rapidly as it was even growing 50 years ago. And part of that is because we stopped infiltrating the world’s society with God’s Kingdom and Heaven’s not being invading in places. We do conferences unto ministry and not conferences unto Hollywood getting saved. We don’t go out and reach the entertainment industry in Nashville, we may bring them into our churches and our ministries but we don’t go out to them. We tell our kids we want to do secular music don’t do secular music because that’s lesser than doing worship music. But somebody has to go out and awaken we’re going to be worshiping for all eternity somebody has to go out and awaken the world to the loving God who is looking at them with blazing eyes of fire who loves them and there’s resources available and there is faith. Part of that those resources aren’t just finances it’s favor, it’s the favor of Heaven to come behind people who are going to maybe open up a medical clinic and they open up that medical clinic with a whole new value system than what’s out there. And they open up something that helps the poor and the rich alike and all of a sudden there is favor on it and it becomes a pilot program for something that’s going to open up for the nations and it does produce an economy to it, it does produce finances but it also produces a justice that’s going on in medical clinics that’s never been done before.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Renny McLean. As I said on yesterday’s broadcast “What an example a prophetic example of the One New Man because Renny’s mother is Jewish, his father is Jamaican and his mother had a visitation from the Lord. Because people from another religious group be it Islam whatever Hinduism, they need a supernatural encounter. Mental apologetics is just not enough. Renny when your mother had a vision of Jesus and started moving in this realm would it fair to say that your mother is a seer?
Renny: Oh, very much so my mother was definitely a seer; if my mother told you she saw something you could bank on it it’s going to happen the way she calls it. She just had that vision; she just had that ability to breakdown the word and define what she saw. My mother had that ability. She still has it I mean she’s almost 80 now and still going strong; she’s not a preacher she’s an ordinary believer but she’s definitely is a seer.
Sid: But you know Renny I feel that the distinctiveness of this next move of God’s Spirit will be it’s not the superstar system it’s us with the superstar inside of us!
Renny: Oh man, oh I totally concur with that; see I believe that the day of one man show is over; it’s the hour of the pulpit man where everybody moves in the power of God where everybody moves in the glory of God. See one of the hallmarks of this new dimension Sid is that part of the sign and wonder realm is visions and dreams because I honestly believe that visions and dreams are one of the end-time mediums of God. Because the Bible says that in the pouring out of the Spirit He said “Well see.” So that’s part of the manifestation of the miraculous is that our spiritual eyes are going to be opened and we’re going to see into the spirit realm as never before. Because that’s the key to the miraculous is because what we see we speak and what we speak God will manifest.
Sid: Now many people I know that have had visitations to heaven…
Sid: Have come back and stated that they literally saw a parts room which God desperately wanted to get these body parts from the invisible realm into the visible realm.
Sid: Through the medium of faith did you ever see this?
Renny: Yes I have; I’ve seen it on several occasions; several occasions. I’ll give you a testimony just as you say that. I remember being in a meeting about a year ago where there was lady in the meeting who had a kidney was destroyed was destroyed through cancer. But I clearly remember that in the middle of worship she literally saw and angel come with a kidney and put it into her; when she got back and she got examined there was no cancer at all literally. The actually documented that it was a brand new kidney; you don’t grow a kidney in the space of 24 hours not a brand new one. Although we know body parts grow back but not in 24 hours. So I mean God does these things but that realm is there. I mean let me give you a testimony there’s so much that I could speak to you about. I remember one day having an encounter down in Virginia and we was worshiping the Lord I mean in the middle of the high worship the Heaven’s opened and all we could see when the Heavens opened was missing body parts. We saw bones; we saw ears; we saw ear drums; we saw eyeballs; we saw missing limbs and I said “Lord when is this going to happen?” He said that “This realm is descending upon the church.”
Sid: I can’t say I see but I’ll almost say “I see.” I see ordinary believers going into hospitals in Israel where the suicide bombers have done their horrible deed. There are Israeli staying in that hospital with no limbs and I can see the limbs coming out and the arms and the legs and the various body parts and the faces that are totally distorted are being just like Naaman the skin coming back like a baby skin. Can you picture that Renny?
Renny: Well let me tell you what I just saw in the realm of the Spirit and what I just saw in the Spirit Sid as you said that that’s what I was seeing. On what you just said I already feel we should decree it. Father right now what your servant just saw we just decree what’s going to happen; we decree oh God right now that you raise up people in power in Spirit in Your Name to glorify You Name and manifest your name on the earth. Father right now visit Israel, visit Israel, Father You began on the earth showing Yourself in signs and wonders through that nation called Israel, and Father I believe the next wave is of miracles is about to hit the earth, but I believe Israel has a lot to do with it. And Father right now I ask oh God that You right now visit Your people for right now.” Excuse me (Praying in the Spirit) “Father visit them create nerves let bones go into place in the Name of Jesus let skin come back; skin like a baby Lord as if it never burned nor bruised; Father I call forth that miracle there’s a miracle in our mouth today and Father God we say right now Visit Israel with signs, wonders and miracles in Yeshua’s Name Amen.
Sid: I have a book in my hand that I happen to like the cover a lot but I like the inside even better called “Eternity Invading Time.” What is this title mean to you?
Renny: Let me tell you what it means to me; God created time so in other words time came out of eternity but time is not eternity. With God there is neither a past nor present nor future nor beginning of days because God just is; when you break it down into final analysis God is eternity but He created time. And in the time dimension there’s the past, the presence, the future, and the future perfect. Now the Bible says time is shortening; everybody will agree right now that time is shrinking time is shortening. Well if we still have the same 24 hours days and same 12 months that makes one year then the question is “Where is the time going?” Because the days haven’t changed but the time has, and you know what that simply means.
Sid: And by the way most people have remarked that whether their young or whether they’re old it just seems as though time is being compressed.
Renny: Yeah, oh it’s being compressed oh yes oh yes you know why time is being compressed Sid; you know what that means in the realm of the spirit when we say that time is being compressed? It means that what we prophesy it means that what we speak is going to start to happen quicker because there’s not that much time left for it to happen in. So where we used to say that in the next six months or in the next year God’s going to be doing this if we can see why time is shrinking it means what we’re saying is My God I could shout right now. It means what we speak it’s going to manifest a whole lot quicker because time is shortening because we’re approaching the end of days. And that’s why right now this period of time is the wrap up time and that’s why what we’re speaking is going to manifest a whole lot quicker. So that’s why what it means when you say Eternity Invading Time; my goodness gracious me that means there’s an overtaking of time.
Sid: You know since some I know your teaching from having read your book.
Sid: You give an example in scripture of exactly what you’re talking about in Amos the 9th chapter; explain.
Renny: Okay the plowman will overtake the sower the Bible says; now in other words Jesus… it’s throughout the whole book when we talk about this dimension. I’ve never looked at it as how I’m looking at it now how this dimension has always been there we just haven’t seen it. But does the Bible not also say in the same context that while before we call He’s answering.
Renny: I mean it’s all there “The Lord overtaken, the Lord going on ahead.” The time has come where we’re going to reap just even before we sow and I believe what God’s going to manifest why He’s going to overtake you. God’s going to bless your very intent because He knew you were going to do it before you were going to do it. So He’s doing it in advance. Besides the Bible says the plowman is overtaken, overtaken that was before your seed hits the gown you can already start to see harvest.
Sid: And I have to tell you I’m seeing someone that has a breathing problem of some sort and if you will just breathe you’ll see your breathing. “If you’ll just breathe that’s kind of dumb, if you’ll just breathe you’ll see your breathing normal.” I mean I don’t know if it’s allergies or I’m not going to list all of the conditions but God is healing breathing conditions and pains especially in the neck right now.
Sid: Renny why did you write this book now why didn’t you write it 20 years ago; why wasn’t it written 20 years from now; why now this book “Eternity Invading Time?”
Renny: I believe with all of my spirit being that the church has gone as far as it can go with what it knows now. I believe that for the church to step into the next realm of the miraculous the church is going to have to understand the revelation regarding it. And in that book it has got the principals it explains… I mean we’ve seen literally, and I’m not exaggerating, we’ve seen 1000′s of miracles; have of the stuff we can’t even talk about it is just so much we’re just saying. Not just physical miracles we’re talking miracles in the dimension you would not even believe in. We’ve seen God we’ve seen weight loss manifest, we’ve seen money grow in people pockets literally grow; we’ve seen God do all of those things. You say to me “Why is it happening now?” I’ll tell you the reason why in a nutshell because of the survival of the church in the days ahead is going to be based on how supernatural it’s prepared to become. And that’s why the Lord put it on my spirit He said to me Renny I want you to write what I tell you because He said “I want the believers to walk this earth in the demonstration of My Name and the power of My glory where they will see signs, wonders and miracles. Where they won’t just look for the sign, they won’t just look for the miracles but they will become the sign.”
Sid: You know Renny the hottest churches in America no even in the world right now are what is known as seeker sensitive, but I tell you the hottest churches in the world and in this next move of God’s Spirit will be those that are God sensitive.
Sid: You know I was thinking about something Mishpochah last month I was channel surfing and I found the Larry King show. He was actually it was a turnabout he was being interviewed by Barbra Walters. She asked the question “You really have a gift for what you do and so you like to use this gift you like people you really enjoy… you would even work for nothing” and he said “Yeah,” and then he looked at her and he said to her “Well, you’re the same way, you would even work for nothing.” And then they said they were kind of kidding back “Well, maybe we do want some money on this thing.” Well, I have to tell you something, number one I don’t work; this gift isn’t mine, the gift of interviewing. I have a full partnership with a Senior Partner and I go along for the ride. The Senior Partner is the Holy Spirit, and I am so excited that He shows up at every single radio show, and television show. My guest I’m so excited having a chance to meet him at least by way of telephone is David Herzog. And I’m speaking to him and he’s in a hotel room in Edmonton, Canada featuring his book “Mysteries of the Glory.” Talking about the glory of God he received a presence of God in the upper-room in Israel. And then he went to Toronto, the great Toronto outpouring, and had the same type of experience happen there. When it happened in Israel he started leading Jews and Arabs to the Lord just instantly. As a matter of fact David your father, Jewish, did not know the Messiah and you had an open vision or was it a dream of your father in hell? Tell me about that.
David: Yeah, I was at the youth camp and the minister said “If you want to have a burden for souls especially your family members come up to the front.” So with a bunch of youth we came up to the front; and all these youth had the same experience of hell at the same time it was a corporate visitation or vision at the same time.
Sid: Okay, and what vision was it?
David: Well, people began weeping and wailing; afterward when we talked together youth had all seen at the same figure, they had all taken in the spirit to hell and saw people in hell. I saw my father he wasn’t dead and he’s still not dead but in the dream I saw him in hell and he was burning and he was… and not just the pain but he was miserable. And in this kind of vision thing he looked at me and said “Son, why did you stop praying for me I was almost there” because I had been praying for him for 8 years and I had just given up praying for him. I said “I’m just going to let go and God will take care of him.” And that’s when God got a hold of me and said “Pray right now.” And so I began praying and this time with real compassion with tears I realized what was at stake that it was real. Within an hour later a little old lady came to his door knocked on his door and led him to the Lord.
Sid: What affect does this have on you; number one God was showing you don’t give up and He’s showing you He was showing everyone because there is many of us that have prayed for unsaved relatives and friends for years. Haven’t seen any results and kind of said “Well, God you heard those prayers and I’m going to go on to some other things; don’t.” What else did you learn from this David?
David: Well, I learned that sometimes it looks like you’re relative or friend is getting worse but actually the worse it gets many times it means they’re right near the edge of getting saved. A lot of times the battle is the worst right before the victory; so sometimes when you’re ready to give up it’s usually when it’s about to happen, it’s about to change. Just like the Apostle Paul; you know he was pretty bad right up to the point that he got saved and he was totally touched by God.
Sid: Now in this vision what was it like when you saw your father in hell, was he talking?
David: First he was being burned; his flesh was being burnt but it wouldn’t stop but he’s still alive. This fire would come all over him; he’s still alive he’s screaming in pain then he looked at me in the vision or whatever it was, and looked at me and that’s when he spoke to me and said “Son why did you stop praying I was almost there?” I believe that maybe his life was at stake at that point had I not interceded and prayed he could have been dead or gone or who know what would happen to him.
Sid: What did this do as far as your compassion for others to come to know the Messiah?
David: Well, that was the beginning for that vision on that’s what put the evangelistic burden and desire for the nations in my heart. The Lord told me “Now I want you see every soul as if it’s your own flesh and blood, you’re own father.”
Sid: Now I have to ask you something, the phenomena of gold showing up, gold dust; isn’t that big in the states anymore. It was big for a short while; it was extremely controversial; people were afraid of it; the people said that it was magic trick or demonic. Tell me the first time this appeared in your ministry in a big way.
David: I had seen it in other meetings but the first time it really struck home to me I was in France living out there in France and from there reaching the nations; and my little girl my second baby Glory was born the Lord told us she would be sign and a wonder. She was born in the hospital and we began worshiping the Lord as the baby was coming out. And they cleaned up the baby and we looked the baby and she was covered with this gold, her face and chest. The doctors were amazed and they said “What is this?” And I said “This is the glory of God.” So as a baby within a couple minutes of being born covered with this I knew that she didn’t have makeup kit in her bag or something she is a baby you know just born with her birthday suit on. And that’s when it struck home with me that this is real; this is of God my own baby whom we named Shannon Glory for the Glory of God. That’s how I knew that this is of God; even though it’s not you know God brings and moves like this and we just take it as it comes; we don’t camp on these things but when they come we need to receive whatever God brings and use it for His glory.
Sid: And why is God doing this, why is it necessary to have gold dust; I don’t read about gold dust in the New Covenant?
David: Yeah, I don’t have… I actually don’t have all of the answers all I know is that God did say that there would be new signs and wonders; there would be new things and greater works shall you do; I go to be with Father. And so we can be seeing some of the greater works that He prophesied, or we could be seeing some of the unrecorded miracles. It says that there was many miracles that were not recorded and He said “Greater things shall you do; in the last days there shall be signs and wonders.” So yes, it’s hard to say but I know gold is all over the Bible, it is prophetic you know the Arc of the Covenant…
Sid: Okay it’s a wonderful sign but the only way you can judge a gift is whether it’s from God in my opinion is the fruit.
Sid: So take me to when you started having meetings in France.
Sid: And you saw gold dust; what effect did it have.
David: As you know France is the high percentage of unsaved people and I’m looking for soul winning. When it first happened and I heard about it I actually wasn’t very interested in it; I wasn’t against it but I just said “How does this help win souls?” And so I didn’t try to get this anointing or… and it just happened in this meeting in Marseille, France south of France. I was there preaching and all of a sudden I was sharing actually about repentance and about holiness and there was this Bible School and they wanted to be in ministry. And I said “Well, what are your motives and this and that and search your heart.” And people were weeping and getting touched in repentance; so it was a repentance time and all of a sudden and we look at the walls of the building and the four walls were covered with gold dust for 3 days. Catholics heard about it in town; because Catholics like signs and wonders and they came with scotch tape and began picking the tape off for 3 days. But every night we had evangelistic meetings and they would come to the meetings because during the day they were able to look at this gold and they were getting saved left and right. And that’s when I realized “Wow,” if this is of the enemy he is pretty dumb because he’s bring a lot of souls here.
Sid: (Laughing) Tell me about that young Jewish girl that you actually prayed over a handkerchief and what happened to her?
David: I believe we had a revival that broke out for six months nonstop in 1998 in this church four or five days a week; actually it started out in the same day as the Pensacola revival but in ’98.
Sid: Now this was the young girl that could not… was deaf and could not speak or had eating problems.
David: Yeah, yeah it what happened was we had this revival meeting in Paris; actually during the World Soccer Cup when France won the cup; and this man came with a Jewish believer from the south of France. Brought a handkerchief as a point of contact because he heard about all the miracles that were happening and said “Please pray for my daughter, just lay hands on this handkerchief and I’m believing as a point of contact when I bring it back to her; put it on her bed she’ll be healed.” So he did that and within like a day or two the doctors were amazed she could talk normally, her bowel movements before were not normal; now they were normal. Her speech was not normal, now they’re normal; she could eat properly everything was normal within just about 24 or 48 hours of this happening.
Sid: Now you stated that France won the World Cup but I understand you prophesied that explain quickly.
David: Yeah, during the revival that they were going to shut down the revival about four weeks because summertime was starting; they didn’t plan it to go more than 4 days. And so the Lord told me yeah, they’re going to shut it down unless you do something. The Lord said “Prophesy” and when the prophesy comes to pass they’ll know that this is a sign of God’s favor and they’ll continue the revival the pastors.” So I prophesied and the Lord said “Say this, “France will win the World Soccer Cup and it’s a sign during that season of favor for this revival.” And when I said that, they looked at me like I was crazy.
Sid: Why France didn’t have a good team?
David: Well, France, Brazil is pretty good; there’s a lot of other teams, the French are not as patriotic when it comes to sports as they are with maybe food or other things. You tell America that they are going to win and “Yeah, we’re going to win even though they never win soccer.” So France was very skeptical that they would win. When they won they were amazed even the radio announcements that they were interviewing the players and they were amazed that they had won.
Sid: David were you a little nervous in case they didn’t win.
David: Oh yeah, I prayed hard for a soccer game in my life.
Sid: I want to see everyone listening to my voice do two things, and I’m including myself in this. I want to see you hear God’s voice for yourself and be obedient. Maybe a third thing, then when you meet Jesus face to face He’s going to say “Well, done good and faithful servant.” Over the years I interviewed a number of people that have had, for lack of better words, formulas for how to hear God’s voice. But I can tell you on a personal basis I’m lead by God’s Spirit, I mean I have no doubt about that. But my personal prayer for years had been a very simple prayer “God I want to hear Your voice and I want to be obedient.” I mean many people pray other things but that’s been my major prayer. I have to tell you I want to hear God’s voice personally better than I do right now, much better. And when I got a hold of Dr. Gary Whetstones series called “Today Hear God’s Voice” it’s actually a college curriculum course and I found out the fruit in Gary’s life and in those that had been in enrolled in his college and in his course I said “I’ve got to get this for myself and I have to get this in the hands of everyone that listens to our ministry.” Now on yesterday’s broadcast Dr. Gary Whetstone said “He was with his wife Faye in Israel and they were doing a video clip to encourage people to go on their next Israel trip; and this was back in 2005 and all of a sudden he was in an open vision. For those that don’t know what an open vision is how would you describe it Gary?
Gary: It’s when the Spirit of God takes you and you are out of all of your senses even though your there and you know you’re a person but you have no natural perception of your surroundings. You are completely encapsulated in the unveiling of that which God is revealing; it’s not like you are sitting watching a picture it’s you are in the picture watching everything happen around you.
Sid: And what you saw, boy that was better than any university course I could think of; you saw people marching historically throughout all of history and you saw some people were doing things on their own strength. Some people started out hearing God but then did things on their own strength; some people were told to do things by people they respected. Some people had circumstances that forced them to do the things they did; and most… just about all this stuff was burned with fire. Did you see people who what they did for God was not burned with fire?
Gary: I watched people Sid that when they heard God’s voice and they did what He said there was an increase of that voice of God; it was like light just pierced and penetrated the atmosphere of that person. Others became just engaged in that hearing and moving in God. And as they heard and moved in God they went forward and nothing was burned. I watched these people that I knew and this was the most incredible thing; was I watched people that I knew that I watched so many people get affected by the voice of God speaking. Then God being able to speak to thousands of people because one person heard God. It was like an instant; when God’s voice was penetrated in one person and they heard an obeyed Him it became like a power of release that took place in other people’s lives. That’s what happens when they hear this course on “Do They Hear His Voice?”
Sid: You know what I’m thinking, things are so horrific in our nation morally as far as the economy, as far as the family set up. I mean in almost every arena and people say “Well, but if there’s enough prayer then things will turn around.” I’m thinking that if enough believers hear the voice of God and pray according to the voice of God things will be turned around.
Gary: Sid, God never told us to pray about the problems; God never said “Take the social issues of today and bring them to God. Jesus never once complained about Caesar even though they crucified people up and down the road. Jesus never once talked about what’s going on in government, what’s going on in peoples’ attitudes and actions. He only said “I do that which I hear My Father say.” And we are the children of God Sid and we have the voice of God speaking in us. Every child of God hears Him; we hear God in us and we are given the absolute place of the Son of God’s authority to respond to Him and do what He says. You know there is nothing I can pray for that God is going to act on; it is what is done in Heaven God command’s us to pray done on Earth. It’s His will not mine even if I find a scripture and this is what I watched in the visions; I watched people take what they believed they wanted God to do and what other people said “This is what God is doing.” And everything they did that they said God was doing that God did not speak it burnt; it completely burnt. And the voice of God today is speaking right now to your audience that there is a sword to pierce into the heart and mind of His children to divide spirit and soul; to bring down deference a clarity of differential between what is of the nature of God speaking and what is the rational voice and the circumstantial information that is surrounding them. God’s Spirit is speaking such a severance in spirit with word that is come from Him in us that we cannot deny and neither can we defy that it is the voice of God speaking.
Sid: I want you to whet our appetite by telling me that what you did after this open vision and what affect it had on you, on your marriage, on your family, on your church family, and on those that took the course that you designed from that open vision.
Gary: I watched every pastor because this is a Bible School course that is predominately training leaders; for men and women that are going to influence the Body of Christ and you’re making it available for everyone. Which everybody needs to hear His voice; this is God’s will for us. As we have trained thousands of leaders to hear the voice of God and move in that authority I have seen… what we did I took one church that we had opened and I went back and I heard God what did you say to me? And I heard God say “Buy the building,” and I recognized that I put a church in that building that I never heard God say “Put a church in the building.”
Sid: In other words you heard God to buy it but He didn’t say what to do with it.
Gary: Exactly, well I tried to finish His sentence because I was already wanting to do church work in that area. The next thing I knew I got the Pastor that was in the church, I got the leaders that were there and I sat down with them after this vision and I said “Listen guys, I’m going to be frank with you I do not have God saying continue this church,” I said “I want you to talk to God and if He tells you you can have the building and continue the church.” Every one of them came back and they said “Pastor, I’m not hearing God say it.” I said “Then if God’s not saying it we’re not doing it.” We closed the church…
Sid: But doesn’t that make you look bad after you’ve raised money to do this, after you’ve imparted the vision to so many people, how could you do that Gary? I mean the average pastor couldn’t go back on something like that.
Gary: I cannot be average Sid I cannot live by the viewpoints of others. I am going to stand eternally judged by whether I did or did not do what God said. And what happened in me, and I shared it with the church that was in Philadelphia there, I said “Because I’m not hearing it we can’t do it.” And you know every one of them said “You know if we’re not hearing it we don’t need to be in a church God did not call.” And that’s one of the big questions that comes out, how many churches are built out of we need to do this, we need to do that; this is an areas of need, this is an area of need.
Sid: But you know what scares me even more Gary, is how supernatural it was that God told you to buy that building and how logical it was to say “That building would have been a church.” Tell me the circumstances of how God told you to buy that building.
Gary: I had in my spirit God speak to me in this section of west Philadelphia to buy a building and I told my staff, I told one of the fellows on staff that works in just a lot of administrative areas. And I said “Go there and find the building.” So they called me from a street up in Philadelphia and they said “You know I think we’re here” and I said “Wait a minute, and I heard God say “They’re there.” I said “Wherever you are, that’s the building we’re buying.” And they said “Well, we’re standing on a school step.” And I said then “Turn around.” They turned around and it was a factory behind them; I said “We’re buying that building.” They said “There’s a sold sign on it” and I said “What?”
Gary: They said “Somebody else owns it.” I said “Wait a minute, I don’t know what happened I don’t care how it worked that building is what we’re buying and we’re paying $365,000 for it.” So he calls the owner, the owner said “We have the building sold we’re going to settlement in 20 some days.” It was sold for almost 2 million odd something dollars and he said “We wouldn’t sell it to you anyway, who are you?” He said “We’re the ones that God said “We’re buying your building.” He was a Jewish fellow Sid, and he said “I’m not going to sell the building to you,” he said “I already have it sold I got a deposit on it.” Then the fellow who talked to him said “Well, when is your contract up?” “By the end of this 30 day’s it’s over.” And he said “You will call me on that 30th day and we will buy that building.”
Sid: And now because we’re slipping out of time he did call you; you did buy the building. One hundred out of one hundred pastors that that would have happened to would have come to the same conclusion you did it was supposed to be for a church. It’s so essential. I like the way you put it “We finished God’s statements with our own stinking thinking.”
Sid: My guest Carlos Sarmiento is red hot for the Messiah. As a matter of fact if someone had asked you before you had your heavenly encounter Carlos if you were red hot for the Messiah you probably would have said “Yes.” But what’s the difference between where you are today and before that encounter?
Carlos: You’re right I would have definitely said “Yes.” And especially because of my background in ministry and operating in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I would say that the difference today between now and then is this that the Spirit of God still operates through me, the anointing is still there. But I would say that it’s my motives, the things that I emphasis the most, the things that I value the most which I seek to make sure that they are the things that Jesus values. It’s basically I’ve returned back to my first ministry and so rather than just focusing on having a successful church, rather than strategizing… and there’s nothing wrong with that but I was making the ministry the main emphasis of ministry. I was seeking to strategize, build the church, build the ministry through strategies and human means and at the point that I was losing that fire, that passion of making the Lord the number one goal of the ministry. So I would say that I have returned to revelations 1:6 when Jesus says “Not only are you a king but primarily you are a priest.” So I returned to my priesthood calling which is to minister to Him first and foremost before I focus on ministering to people at large.
Sid: Now you have been commissioned to be a forerunner of this next great move of God’s Spirit like the world has never seen before. And like you found out in heaven, not only are most people not prepared for it you’re not prepared for it. Have you been able to reproduce yourself so to speak through speaking such as your new book “Encounter by God?” And the workbook and the 5 CD series called “That We May Work the Works of God.” What have you seen the people that you’ve been pouring yourself into?
Carlos: Well I have seen people that were burnt out, people that were faithful, they were very faithful in ministry, very faithful to their tasks that were assigned to them. You know their ministry responsibilities and they were doing it out of loyalty. But I’ve seen them come alive where not much is changed as far as what they’re doing but doing it with passion, a zeal and fire. And again the reason has been because they’ve made the Lord the ministry, they seek Him first. It’s out of a level of closeness. It’s kind of with Adam the Lord said “Adam where are you?” Adam, God walked in the cool of the day; the day of the cool in the garden so he walked with Adam for the purpose of encountering Adam. And I think that we’re beginning to see people return back to that relationship where the Lord is fun, He’s enjoyable they enjoy the presence of the Lord. And so we have a sense of the presence of the Lord. Part of our daily lives is that we don’t do ministry. We don’t seek the Lord to do ministry; we seek the Lord to encounter Him, for Him to transform our lives.
Sid: Okay, what would you say to someone that would say “I’m more of an action person. I’m glad there are people called by God to be intercessors and pray, pray, pray, pray. But I’m an action person; that’s just not my calling.” What would you say to them?
Carlos: I would say that Jesus made it very, very clear that it says “It is written, My Father’s house.” And I believe that means that every one of us in the Body of Christ, in My Father’s house is called to be a House of Prayer. Now He didn’t say “A house of intercession; or a house of spiritual warfare He said “It is written, My Father’s house is called a house of prayer. And I would say to that individual that the gifting, that God has given you go for it, God expects you to use your gift. If you’re an action person, if you are an administrator, if you are a signs and wonders guy go for it. God expects you to be faithful and be a good steward of the manifold grace and gift of God. But I would say that the foundation of your gifting, the foundation of your administrative gift, the foundation of your giving gift, the foundation of whatever it is has to be rooted in a life of loving God and seeking God. To me prayer… I think that people have the wrong impression of prayer. They lump prayer with intercession and toiling, no prayer is worship as well, prayer is spending time with the Lord. Prayer is turning back to our first love, prayer is actually is what… of all of the things that the disciples could have asked Jesus is that they asked Jesus In Luke chapter 11 they said “Lord, can you teach us how to pray.” Now if I could have asked Jesus anything I probably would have asked “Jesus to teach me how to cast out devils the way You do; teach me how to walk on the water, teach me how you do do the miracles the way that you do.” But there was something about Jesus’ intimacy with the Father that these men that were around Him recognize and they chose to ask Him “Can you teach us how to pray.” Because they connected, they connected the power of God, the glory of God to His life of prayer and intimacy. So I would say “If Jesus was a man dependent on the presence of the Father and a man dependant on prayer. How much more do we need to be dependent of prayer today.” So I would say “Every one of us is called to prayer, everyone one of us can intercede. At the same time focus on your gift, focus on your active work, focus on the duty that God has called you to do.”
Sid: Would you almost call it an end-time deception to not cultivating intimacy with the Lord above anything and everything you’re doing for the Lord?
Carlos: Absolutely, because Jesus said in Luke chapter 21 verse 34 and 36. He said, “Take heed to yourselves.” And He says this in the context “Take heed to yourself, watch out less your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness and the cares of this life. And that day come upon you unexpectedly for it will come as a snare on all those that dwell on the face of the earth. Watch therefore AND PRAY always, that you may be counted worthy to escape all of these things. And to be able to stand before the Son of man.” So it is to me the largest deception in modern day Christianity that we feel that we have to be so busy. I call it Wall Street Christianity where we feel like we have to be successful to be successful we have to have a ministry this big. We have to have this, we have to have all of the lights and all of the whistles. And in reality the greatest successful ministry is to know Him. And so to me the greatest question without a doubt I believe the end-time church that could easily walk in deception but at that same times she’s got the greatest potential for glory, the greatest potential for power. Because it is clearly in scripture we see that the end time church is a church that is walking with the Lord intimately a partner with God. Pretty much similar I compare it to when Moses released the power of God the judgments on Egypt. I believe that the end time church will be in partnership with prayer and intercession to release judgments, and to release glory and to release power on the earth that will usher in the last great movement. And also usher in the greatest harvest of souls the earth has ever seen.
Sid: I don’t know that I have ever heard too many people say part of the job of the end-time church is to usher in judgment. What do you mean by that?
Carlos: Well what I mean by that is you know I believe that there will be a people on the earth when things go bananas, things go crazy when the anti-Christ is here. So I personally believe….
Sid: Which isn’t too far removed but go ahead.
Carlos: Exactly, so I personally believe that there will be a church here in that day on the earth that will be in cooperation with… throughout church history and throughout the Bible God always uses a man to be His instrument to be His partner to release with a blessing or judgment. And so I really, I personally believe that the end-time church will be a partner with God to be able to be a forerunner communicators to bring about the Kingdom of God. And usher in a people prepared for the Lord. So I personally believe that the judgments in Book of Revelation are judgments that God releases through His people. Through His Body, and I believe there are scriptures that back that up.
Sid: Okay, I want you to take Carlos home with you. His job as a forerunner is to equip you to be ready to fulfill your destiny. And that’s why his brand new book just literally off the press “Encountered By God” the workbook and the 5 CD’s… I mean it will equip you step by step to be in position to walk in the gifts of the Spirit; to have intimacy with God. To be the head and not the tail in your family… Carlos, very quickly I need you to pray for people there’s such a strong anointing whatever God tells you to pray, pray.
Carlos: I just want to encourage those that are listening to me right now and listened to this program. The Lord has a great plan for each and every one of us but it begins once again by understanding God’s Divine purpose for us. He says in the Book of Revelation 19 “His wife has made herself ready, and it was granted to her to be arrayed in fine linen.” I believe that the Lord is looking for people to be ready and it begins by just asking the Lord “Lord, come into my life; touch my life afresh, make me Your lovesick believer; I want to love You the way You want me to love You; I want to love You the way I’ve been called and destined to be.” So I encourage you if you are weary in ministry; if you don’t know the Lord. Number 1 the Lord loves you unconditionally, His grace is upon your life even right now. And I believe that there’s many that are hearing the sound of my voice right now that you feel discouraged, you feel tired, you know the Lord but you know there’s so much more. I would encourage you to say “Jesus come into my heart again, touch me afresh, introduce me into this walk of intimacy that Carlos has been talking about, I desire that.” If you do that the Lord will begin to open up truth in your heart and begin to open up new avenues and new ways to begin to encountering. I would say to you ask the Lord like He encountered me, ask the Lord would you encounter my heart. Ask the Lord I want to be ready, I want to be used. Father I pray for all those listening right now in the Mighty Name of Your Son Jesus Christ. Spirit of God, I sense right now to really pray for, to release visions, release dreams, release angelic encounters. Father we don’t seek these things but we have a right to ask for encounters. In the Name of Jesus, release angelic encounters, release heavenly dreams God, release visions oh Lord that will take us out of the rut and take us to where You would have us to be that we could walk in the fullness of all that You have for us. And this I pray God and I thank You and I praise You right now in Jesus’ Name.
Sid: And pain and arthritis in fingers you’re healed in Jesus Name.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to fulfill their destiny. We want everyone everywhere to tell everyone how wonderful our God is. My guest another Jewish man that is red hot for Yeshua, Doctor Lance Wallnau. I’m speaking to him at his office Cranston, Rhode Island. I got ahold of a series of his 4 CD’s called “In a Heartbeat.” I have to tell you Mishpochah it is a now, N-O-W, message. I imagine it’s even more of a now message Lance after 911 than even before.
Lance: Yeah absolutely Sid. You know Jesus said the end times the waves would roar and here we have the tsunami that had happened in December; men’s hearts failing them for fear. So if ever if there is a time when the believer has to determine for themselves that they are in control of their spiritual and emotional climate and not the world, it’s today.
Sid: You know one of the things that any medical doctor will tell you that a high percentage of diseases are connected with worry, fear, stress… I used to think it was an all American cop out but I believe it’s really true. I believe one of the distinctions between believers and nonbelievers, the closer we get to the return of the Messiah, will be that believers will be walking in supernatural health, but even with God’s provision they won’t if they don’t know how to get into the Spirit in a heartbeat.
Sid: Now one of the things that impresses me about your teaching and you, as I get to know a bit about you through our talking on the telephone, is you walk in something that everyone wants to walk in. You walk in something that’s called divine favor. Is it that you’re one of God’s favorites is that why?
Lance: [Laughing] I wish it was that easy I don’t think so at all. I think that favor is an attraction. It’s kind of like have you ever opened up a soda can and the moment you open up that top you hear that “click” the suction that goes in. The moment God finds a vacuum in the heart of a believer that is simply longing for Him it sucks God into that vacuum, and the moment God comes on the scene He begins to impregnate you with purpose. What I’ve found is that we focus on favor as though it were the miss congeniality contest as though, if God really likes you He makes everyone else like you, or He’ll bless you with a parking space at the moment.
Lance: In fact, favor is so much more profound than that. Favor is the attraction of God to you that releases an influence through you so that other people are supernaturally inclined to like you, trust you, or cooperate with you in the divine assignment God gave you. That assignment is the key to favor.
Sid: Give me an example of this favor.
Lance: Okay. Well you know I’ll give you the Biblical example then a personal working example because sometimes people get a little concerned when you’re using concepts like this and you don’t have a Biblical basis. My discovery of the process happened personally when I started getting calls from unusual places like the United Nations, and Fortune 500 companies. I was thinking “Why are they calling me don’t they know I’m a pastor?” God was redefining who I was to them. I could go to that in a second; I went to the Bible first and I said “Lord what is happening?” The Lord took me to first instance of the word favor which is when the angel Gabriel came to Mary. The angel said “You are favored of God and behold you shall conceive in your womb and you shall bear a son.” The Lord stopped me right then and He said “When you worship me, when you love Me, when you open Spiritual womb to Me as believer in Yeshua I hover over you. You’ve known me as Jehovah Rophe, you’ve known me as Jehovah Nissi, you’re about to find out this is what the Lord showed me, He is Jehova Sneaky. He impregnates you while you are in worship.
Sid: Now what’s the Hebrew for Sneaky? I’m just teasing you but go ahead. [Laughing]
Lance: [Laughing] You getting me in trouble now. He’s sneaky He impregnates you, and He impregnates you with desire. I found that those desires we have, those purposes we secretly long to fulfill are actually the desires God gave us. Once you begin to conceive the desire favor automatically is on the desire God gave you because favor is the attraction factor that makes that thing manifest.
Sid: So it’s as if when you open yourself up enough to walk in your destiny, of course you’re walking in God’s divine favor. Just as Miriam, or Mary, did.
Lance: Exactly. To the extent… think how absurd the extreme to which this concept goes. You take Saul and David, Saul had the favor of God upon him, the oil of Samuel was poured upon him, literally he was given a charge by the prophet that said “Once you have this anointing on your life go and do what is in your heart for the Lord is with you.” Almost implying that he was one with the mission of ruling Israel and protecting Israel, therefore God would be influencing his decision making with favor from that moment on. The moment Saul disconnected from his assignment David comes on the scene and consider this, you got Saul who in a crisis of insecurity provides a preemptive sacrifice. He steps out of his office as king and acts like a priest, and God judges him severely for his failure to fidelity to his assignment. David comes along he commits adultery, he kills the husband of the woman he sleeps with, he covers it up politically, and God says “Behold a man after My own heart.” What’s the difference between these two guys?
Sid: I’m glad you asked me that because you’re going to answer it. [Laughing]
Lance: [Laughing] The difference is that in David’s heart there was a longing to please God and he had some problems, but he never failed in the assignment of dealing with the Philistines. Saul on the other hand had different issues but fundamentality he rejected the assignment, therefore, the assignment was taken from him and with that assignment the favor of God went with it.
Sid: That makes sense. I hadn’t looked at it in that light, but that makes sense.
Lance: I not trivializing David’s sins they were heinous. However David’s heart for God combined with his fidelity to ridding the land of the Philistines, which was Saul’s assignment, he kept the favor on him because he held the purpose of God’s precious to his heart. The New Testament says he served his generation.
Sid: It reminds me of the scripture that says “God prefers obedience rather than sacrifice.”
Lance: That was the context in Samuel’s correction to Saul that was the context in which he revealed. This is the secret to God’s lasting favor.
Sid: Now a personal life experience when you’re walking in those preordained footsteps. Every one of us is unique and special and loved by God, and has preordained footsteps. What happened when you did that Lance?
Lance: Well the… I received a phone call from a friend of mine who is a business man who had contacts with I think it was with Pakistan and some other Middle East nations at the United Nations. He said “Lance a door is about to open for training in the United Nations. It’s headed up by a woman whose name is Masawi who is a Tunisian Muslim. They have never before worked with a believer let alone with a Christian. However, I believe has given the favor of influence in order to give you access to the United Nations. There are 260 delegates that are going to be getting together from NGO organizations, Non-Governmental Organizations. The head of the UN NGO who is this Muslim woman is coming and she’s nervous because she’s never worked with anyone outside of the UN, and I believe God’s going to give me the wisdom to go in and know what to do. I said “Wait a second. The United Nations, my understanding of the United Nations is it’s the vehicle for the anti-Christ.”
Lance: That’s my…
Sid: [Laughing] That’s a good match.
Lance: I said “You know the beast, the world system this is the counterfeit.” He said “Lance I’m not asking you to build the beast system. I’m saying there’s leadership vacuum in the nation and God is telling me you’ve got to step into it.” So I said “Well I’m a pastor” and he said “Not anymore as of today you are a motivational speaker.” [Laughing] I thought “Oh my gosh, now I’m a motivational speaker I have to go through a facelift an identity change to even get in the UN.” So the meeting is assigned I show up at the meeting and the Lord speaks to me and says “I’m going to have you teach them operate in the anointing, enlighten them and you do not have to reference the Bible continuously, a few references because I’m going to win their hearts first and establish a platform for your credibility.” So I began doing messages the one world currency and it isn’t money it is the currency of feeling and how leaders incite people to holy or unholy feelings depending on their own motivations and their own skill as leaders. So we talked about the currency of emotional intelligence learning how to lead nations intelligently, learning how to live peaceably, learning how to respect each other.
Sid: How interested were they in this subject?
Lance: They were fixated.
Sid: These are a lot of Muslims.
Lance: Totally, totally. Sid my experience is this, when… Jesus told the disciples He said “Go into all the world” and there’s preaching commissioning mark, and a teaching commission that most people will miss in Matthew. He said “Teach them to observe all these things.” I went back and began to realize that Jesus taught the disciples 50 commands that became their curriculum once conversion happened. It is how to occupy the culture and take over the minds and hearts of people through the commands of Christ. So I just focused on the commandments of Christ that are universal that apply to every nation on forgiveness, honoring authority, respect for one another, compassion and as I spoke on those characteristics I found the people were thunderously hungry to have a leader that would speak to them in terms of non-optional values.
Sid: Lance were out of time.
Sid: Well, my guest is red hot for the Messiah it’s contagious anyone that’s been listening this week is red hot for the Messiah his name is Apostle Maldonado. A couple of days ago I asked you to teach on the Kingdom of Heaven because Jesus made a very amazing statement that too many people slip by. He said “Pray this way ‘Your Kingdom come on Earth as it is in Heaven.’” I believe your brand new book “The Kingdom of Power” is the revelation teaching necessary so that God’s Kingdom will come on earth as it is in Heaven. Tell me what that scripture means to you.
Guillermo: Sid I think it’s so simple and at the same time when we don’t have the revelation we don’t know how to apply it. And this is the question I need to ask the audience. Is the Kingdom of God a theological concept, or is something that we can bring it here and now? Well, let me answer you in 25 years of experience seeing all kinds of miracles in the Bible and also being in 50 countries. The kingdom of God is something that we can experience here and now; any person that is born again and walk with God and Jesus Christ your Lord you can walk in this power and demonstrate it here now, why? I’ll tell you why Jesus said that… when we read the gospels we will see 2 words that interchangeably Kingdom of Heaven and Kingdom of God. The Kingdom… what’s the difference? The Kingdom of Heaven is where Gold lives is the Third Heaven according to the scripture is where Heaven is that’s the Capitol of Heaven it’s the government; the Kingdom of Heaven is where God lives very simple way. Second, the Kingdom of God is an extension of the Kingdom of Heaven where the will of God is done. In other words any place on earth where the will of God is done we will have Heaven on earth. I’m going to say it again there are many people struggling and they say “My house’s a hell on earth. (Laughing) Well, my marriage, my business;” why? Because whatever we do the will of God and we obey the will of Gold we will bring the Kingdom; that government of Heaven on Earth as it is in Heaven. What do we mean when we say “On Earth as it is in Heaven?” Well, in Heaven there’s no sickness, there’s no lack, there’s no recession, there’s no cancer. So as it means we will bring there what it is in Heaven on earth; so this is what I teach people and I teach leaders to do the same. I said “Every time you go to a place and you find a person with cancer and maybe yourself have a cancer and this is what you ask yourself ‘Is any cancer in Heaven?’” And you will answer “No, there is not no there is no cancer so as it is in Heaven that means it’s healthy, it’s health there’s no cancer.” So now you remove that cancer because every believer has the authority and the power of Kingdom because the Kingdom lives inside of you to cast out that cancer. So ask yourself if there’s any lack in Heaven; there’s any recession in Heaven. If you ask yourself “No,” you answer yourself well? Now bring the kingdom down; can you do it? Of course, can you say it “Yes of course.” I’ve got people here that walk into my church and they said “Well, they gave me 30 days to live.” And I said “Well, that’s what the doctors said we respect what the doctors said but we don’t agree.” Why, because in Heaven there’s no sentence of death. How is it? In Heaven it’s eternal life. So I said “Let’s pray that we remove the sentence of death, I pray over that person and immediately God healed the person, why? We brought Heaven on Earth through prayer, yes we can do it.
Sid: Now we’re coming into some very very treacherous times in the United States; but it doesn’t have to be treacherous for a believer that understands the Kingdom of Power. Tell me some stories to just kind of stretch out faith a little bit of people having money problems and money being multiplied. Tell me about this doctor Gamel.
Guillermo: Is one of my best doctors that I have here in my church Sid he came to me through a missionary trip to Argentina. I was preaching and as I preached I felt from the Lord I heard His voice and then He said “Declare supernatural provisions.” There’s many people that are hearing now and listening to me now and I know they will identify if you believe it this can be for you also. “I want you the release I want you to release bring Heaven on Earth an declare supernatural provision. And that’s what I did I said “Lord I declare supernatural provision; You cancel debt; supernatural money will appear; supernatural.” And I said Lord Jesus let’s do it because Sid we’re living in times that if we don’t walk in the supernatural we’re not going to be able to make it. So I declare it and Sid the moment I did he said he believed it; he was there with me; he was working checking all the sick people and all that but he said “Lord I believe it.” He paid his ticket with great sacrifice and the Lord said “This money is to pay my rent but I want to go on this trip and I believe You provide.” So after that later he calls his wife and he said “You know Pastor was declaring all this and I believe the Lord will supernaturally provide for me and his wife.” He said “Well, let’s agree I agree with you and let’s believe it well, he returned from Argentina to Miami and they went back where they put some money in a little box which was a part of the money to pay the rent. He took some money for the trip and the rest of the money there was maybe $2000, I don’t remember the exact amount. How much money he left in the little box and it was a little and he told his wife go check and bring the money. When the wife went back checked the open the box and found out 10,000 cash; plus the money that he got left from before he went to Argentina. Supernaturally God provided $10,000.
Sid: Now is this an exception or does this happen often?
Guillermo: No, this happens, this is normal Sid; I have seen 100′s of people. There is a woman a debt cancellation $250,000 that just happened right now in the ministry and supernatural and the bank calls her and says “We selected someone to pay the house and you were selected.” The bank will not going to do that it worked supernaturally or the people in one of the event that we have she didn’t have any money in the bank at all she maybe have $5.00. She believed it when the power of the Kingdom came and she believed it. Went back to the bank and the bank said “Somebody we don’t know who but they deposited $10,000 something, Sid that’s normal for everybody that believes.
Sid: Now very briefly you were telling me when I called you the other day that cancers, people are being healed of cancers but this is amazing. This person had a very tough situation they had a colostomy bag; tell me what happened to them.
Guillermo: Well Sid you know I can tell you 100′s and 100′s of cases of cancer even people that the doctor has said “There’s no… you’re dead you go back and die.” And this is one of the cases and again Sid most of those cases has been people that had been activated in my video’s, my CD’s, my books when they read it, now this book of “The Kingdom.” When I put testimonies like this one for the people to say “Well, if God used a person to heal somebody of cancer God can use me.” You know what I feel Sid I must pray for those people that are listening now to be activated to pray for cancer because that’s one of the anointing’s the Lord released upon my life. Along time ago the Lord said “I am angry against the spirit of cancer because even it’s killing my people.” And then He said “I’m releasing a new anointing upon you for cancer.” So I can activate and release people who have cancer and people that wants to have that anointing to heal caner if you allow me.
Guillermo: Father in the Name of Jesus those people that are listening to me now and they have cancer I command I bring Heaven on Earth right now. I bring Heaven on Earth and in Heaven there’s no sickness; there’s no cancer; and I curse every cancer. I curse the seed and the root of cancer now; let you’re will be done on earth and you’re will is always to heal and deliver your people. And right now be healed, be delivered in Jesus Name God is healing people right now. As a matter of fact there’s a woman your name is Martha, Martha you have breast cancer. God… you just felt heat in your body; as a matter of fact I see another woman your washing the dishes in your home and you listen to the radio. Something is happening in your body and you have a cancer in your blood, I don’t know how they call that.
Guillermo: You feel… you’re sweating this woman is sweating I see you sweating in the house; you’re sweating because the power of God is upon you.
Sid: You know what we’re going to continue recording these words and play it on tomorrow’s broadcast and the same miracles are going to happen.
SID: I don’t know anything like worship to transport you supernaturally to the Throne of Heaven. Now Freddie, you had a vision about Michael the Archangel. Who is Michael?
FREDDY: Michael in the scriptures is referred to, his name means, “who is like God”. He’s very powerful. He’s the archangel, he’s the general of Heaven, the general of the armies, chief five-star general, we’d call him in America. And he is the one who was sent in Daniel, Chapter 10, when Daniel fasted and prayed for 21 days. And there was a very powerful warring angel helping him fight the Prince of Persia. The demonic powers that were coming at Israel then.
SID: Isn’t that interesting. Persia, you know, is Iran. So back then, he was fighting the Prince of Iran. Go ahead.
FREDDY: Same deal. Hezbollah, all this, it’s really, it’s not geopolitical problem. It’s a spiritual problem always. And so Daniel wasn’t going let Israel go down the tubes. He was going to pray and fast, and no one else did. If no one else did he was going to stand. And you know, God honored that. God honors the prayer, one, I don’t care if it’s one, if you’re 85 years old and widow. You can be the most powerful person in your city if you’ll engage in hidden intercession with the Lord and pray for Israel and pray for revival. So that’s what Daniel was doing. And he, there was a sign to him, a powerful angel. But this angel could not overcome the Prince of Persia. Couldn’t. So after 21 days, God said, “Okay Michael, go.” Michael came and said, “Daniel, you have good hands, clean hands, you’re a man of God. I’ve come and I’m going to take care of you now.” So you know, Michael did come in. And so Michael is this celestial prince and he’s also given the specific duty, a lot of Bible scholars believe, Jewish scholars as well, that he is the Celestial Prince of Israel.
SID: Daniel makes that pretty clear. Go ahead.
FREDDY: Yes. And I think that he is on notice to stand guard for Israel. So the other day when I was thinking about the program and praying, I was sitting in my chair and I was just sitting at home, and all of a sudden I had this vision. And I saw in one of the songs I sing, [singing] He had golden curly hair with eyes like liquid lightening [talking] with these beautiful glory-like beads, glory beads, powerful, powerful creature, 10 foot tall. And I saw him in the vision. And then he said, “Behold,” and around Israel was encamped fiery chariots, and all these angelic hosts. And I said, “What is going on?” And this was before I heard about the possibility of, you know, chemical weapons attacks, whatever. But there’s a spiritual dynamic going on right now where Michael has specifically been in these End Times, because it talks about in the End Times, we know we’re in the End Times there is a time of Michael. And I heard it clearly, the Lord speak, “This is the time of Michael. Get up and pray. There isn’t a lot of time left. Prepare my people. Prepare my people. I’m coming. The Messiah is coming to rule and reign from Jerusalem, the holy city.” We need to redeem the time, we need to hasten his return by praying and praying for Israel, and empower the intercessors. It’s a call to intercessors and people everywhere to uphold, like Daniel, these angels. Because like Aaron and Hur upheld the hands of Moses, I mean, Moses was a pretty spiritual guy. He was at the burning bush. He was worshiper. But he got tired at times. And he needed help. The angels are the same way. They’re not omnipotent.
FREDDY: They need our prayers.
SID: Let’s make “The Song of Michael”, if you would go the music set. Let’s make “The Song of Michael” your prayer. Because right now God is calling you to intercede for the Nation Israel, because the Nation Israel, Jesus said, “I will not return until the Jewish people, [Hebrew], blessed is he who comes who comes in the name of the Lord.” Make this your prayer for protection and safety of the Land of Israel. “The Song of Michael.”
FREDDY [music, singing]: [Latin] Gloria. There in the night sky beyond the skylight in a vision I see glory, the archangels and Michael’s hands are raising. Angels… and God let me hear celestial beauty… He will break my spirit free to sing the angel song… Your glorious realm. I want to see your holy face… of blazing beauty. God help me, you make my spirit free to sing the angel song all around your glorious realm.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere laying hands on the sick and seeing miracles. Because the truth of the matter is even if miracles break out in a church only so many people can go into a church; only so many people are willing to go into a church. But what’s going to happen when born again believer’s take God’s word as literal truth and start moving and laying hands on the sick. You know teaching is cheap, preaching is cheap but when the rubber meets the road. For instance, I’ve been interviewing all this week Don Gossett. Don Gossett had the high privilege of being mentored by of the top healing evangelists in the world that’s traveled with a number of them. And he teaches on healing that this generation just doesn’t have a clue. But what happens when a man that teaches all over the world develops cancer; deadly melanoma. Don tell me about that when that happened to you. I mean it’s one thing to teach it’s another thing to see other people healed. But then when you get hit yourself it’s a whole new ball game isn’t it.
Don: It certainly is; well I had had a growth on the side of my head it was a mole there about the size of the end of my finger and then it began to change in color and size and then it became really ugly in appearance. I combed my hair over my temples to hide it’s repulsiveness and this continued on for some time. And I begin to apply the principals of faith and prayer and actions that I had done in past days for other things. Just persisting that there would be a manifestation of God’s healing for my body.
Sid: Now when someone perhaps would notice that and would say to you “What is that?” How would you answer them?
Don: Well, I would perhaps say something like “I have faith that God’s going to undertake for it and God’s going to heal it or it’s going to go or something in that nature;” not trying to be passive but trying not to be indifferent about it. But then I was getting ready to go to an overseas mission when I was having a final breakfast with all my 5 children and my wife. So my son said “Dad we’re really concerned about that ugly growth inside of your head; before you leave for missions tomorrow we wish you’d see a doctor and find out exactly what the nature of it is.” So I consented to my children’s request and was able to make an appointment at that same afternoon with a doctor and he did his initial test and then he left the room and came back in and said “Reverend Gossett how soon can you be ready for surgery?” I said “Surgery? I had no idea that you had this in mind.” He said it’s imperative that we have surgery as soon as possible.” He said “My prognoses at present moment is that you have a cancerous growth there that needs to be tended to at once.” I said “Well doctor I have a problem I’m scheduled to leave tomorrow for an overseas mission’s been schedule for months. The advertising has been done; it’d be a great king disappointment if I don’t arrive. He said “Well, if you go how soon will you be gone?” I said about a month. He looked at his calendar and he said “On March the 4th we’ll have this surgery.” And then he warned me about the potential danger of the growth and later that same day a paper was put in my hand that said that “If you have a growth about this same color and texture of this growth you have only 6 months to live.” Well, that was quite devastating to me because I had no concept that my life was going to end in six months or any soon period. And when we got to overseas I was really battling intense fears; I mean the fears became very real.
Sid: As real as I said earlier it’s easy to preach it when it’s someone else it’s a whole new ball game when it’s someone else.
Don: That correct, well I would look at myself in the mirror and I would battle with the spirit of pity. And Harold Hill would say “I’d have a pity party” and I was really feeling sorry for myself. And you know as a Christian I wasn’t afraid to die because I knew that Heaven would be my eternal destiny but I didn’t want to die; I had a life I wanted to live and I wanted to invest it for God’s glory. But then one day my wife saw me looking at myself in the mirror touching the growth slightly and she said “Somebody I know is having some real fears” and I thought she came in to give me some little tender loving care but that wasn’t her operation. She sad “Don Gossett shame on you.” I said “Shame on me why did you say that?” She said “You’re the preacher that’s preached all these messages on overcoming fear and here you are fearing.” I said “Oh, but honey this is for real it’s happening to me.”
Don: And she said “Well, there’s 3 things God wants you to know I’m convinced.” Number 1 you may have the surgery so don’t be frustrated by that fact but number 2 you may not have the surgery God may intervene and heal you by His power but number 3 don’t give place to fear because like the old Job God told him that the thing that you greatly feared came upon you.” And with that she put her hand on my chest and began to rebuke the spirit of fear like it was a monster; I mean that woman commanded that spirit of fear to leave my life.
Sid: Now when the Bible talks about a helpmate that’s really what you had.”
Don: That’s right she really helped me and suddenly like a fetter around my chest that fear was broken around my chest that fear was broken. And I can say again gratefully I never again had a fear of that ugly growth even though I could see it staring me in the face.
Sid: Well, how did you pray; how did you pray; did you worship God I want you to get really specific and tell me what you did and why you did it.
Don: Well, I was convinced that my answer was in the word of God itself and this speaking forth principal had already been part of my life so it wasn’t anything new. But I began every day to rise up and speak the healing word “That by His stripes I’m healed, that Himself took my infirmities and bared my sicknesses that He took His word and healed me from all my destruction.” And on and on would speak what we call the healing scriptures and they were not just little theories they were realities to my life and I was speaking them with confidence. And I continued to do that week after week while I was overseas. And you may ask what happened to the growth? Well frankly it just got uglier and worse.
Sid: Now while it was getting uglier and worse and you are worshiping God and you are believing God for all your worth did your faith teeter a little bit?
Don: You know as I recall there was several years ago I’m sure there were probably times when my faith was certainly challenged I’ll just be frank about that. But I continued to persist on I knew that the principal of if you hold fast to your confession of faith without wavering for He who promised is faithful. That if any man wavers in his faith let not that man think that he’ll receive anything from the Lord; James 1 says. And on and on I began to just put into practice the principals that I had taught and preached and lived by. And on the day after the month was over we were flying back home. On March the first I reached up and half of that growth fell out into my hand. And then ….
Sid: Huh, now try to remember when half of it fell out in your hand how did you feel?
Don: I was grateful, I was grateful that something was being manifested in a remarkable way that a miracle was undertaking; that the supernatural of God was flowing and I was thankful. Well, on that night of March the 3rd that night in my sleep the rest of that growth all came off. I awakened about 6:00 in the morning and there was nothing there; now there was a head there.
Sid: I’m glad.
Don: And I raised up to the mirror and I saw that it was totally gone and it was smooth as baby skin and I came back to my bed and there on the covers was that old growth all scattered. And I awakened my wife and I said “Good morning honey, this is the day that I’m scheduled for surgery and there is nothing to surge – hallelujah!”
Sid: You know that was talk about the midnight God the midnight hour and you mean just before the surgery it came off.
Don: It came off during that night of March the 3rd; what a remarkable event. And so at breakfast with my son and my wife we discussed it “What am I going to do, nothing like this has ever happened to me?” We decided we were going to keep my appointment and I went that day to the cancer institute for the test for the surgery. And I said as we got to the room I said “Nurse, you may not have noticed but I don’t have that growth anymore. She said “You don’t have the growth, what happened to it?” I said “Jesus Christ healed it.” Well, that made her nervous of course and she said “I better get the doctor.” And the first doctor of the case he came back with my medical chart, he began to exam my head and he began to read the chart again and he said, “I better get the other doctor.” He was in a case more than I. Well, when he brought back the second doctor, the second doctor was rather dubious he said “What’s this Don I hear you working a wonder on yourself?” I said “Doctor I didn’t do it Jesus Christ has done it” and I then shared with him briefly how I battled intense fears and how my wife prayed with me and I was set free of the fear and how I’d been speaking the word of God itself. And how in just the past 48 hours the healing had manifested and here I stood before them and they of course they kept checking around, they kept testing and touching my head to see if was there anything left at all.” But it was a testimony of God’s glory and I’m very grateful. And the principal of speaking the word became my source of victory.
Sid: You know Don, we’re just about out of time now.