Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Rabbi Felix and Bonnie Halpern. I’m speaking to them at their home in Wyckoff, New Jersey. And last month I had the pleasure of going to their congregation and getting to know them. And what you’re about ready to hear is going to be abnormal to most of you but according to my basis of truth; what is my basis of truth? The Jewish scriptures and because my basis of truth is the Jewish scriptures the Tanach I must receive the New Covenant because it’s spoken of through prophecy in the Jewish scriptures. So what you’re going to hear is normal and what many of you have experienced is abnormal just don’t reverse it. Now Felix your father went through a pretty tough time in the Holocaust. Tell me a bit about your family background.
Felix: Well, my father was actually a Holocaust survivor in that he was under the persecution of so many millions of Jews in Germany at the time of that regime. And he was 16 years old and smuggled out of Germany through the Dutch underground. Where he had received Yeshua Messiah in the Netherlands, but the rest of the family was killed in the Holocaust. My father was raised as an Orthodox Jewish boy; my Grandfather who obviously I never met was obviously an Orthodox Rabbi. And so for me that heritage it took many… it took years for me to come back into that heritage in that when my father received the Lord he truly did not want too much to do with his Judaism due to pain of the loss and the persecution of being Jewish.
Sid: And what I have is found that even children of Holocaust survivors somehow pick up a lot of the pain that their parents had.
Felix: Yeah, yeah well in growing up in the home any time the subject was broached and brought up my father would either walk out of the room or he would get very emotional. We were not able to discuss it in all the years of growing up with my parents; Judaism I can’t even remember in my past and the heritage that truly is mine and was ours was ever openly discussed. It was hidden, it was too painful for it to come out.
Sid: Now tell me a bit about your mom.
Felix: My mom was part of the Dutch resistance.
Sid: My goodness you got some pretty good genes.
Felix: Yeah, and they were actually resistance leaders who were instrumental in not only hiding my father but hiding Jewish people in the Netherlands at that time.
Sid: Now you got married in 1976.
Felix: In 1976.
Sid: And you had your own experience with the Lord in 1977; you were Baptized in the Holy Spirit and you began moving in certain gifts of the Spirit. Tell me about this.
Felix: Well, I had been… most of my exposure to faith was through a reformed theology but after the first year of being married the Lord began to stir my heart for more realizing that there was something deeply and clearly missing in my life. I had at the time I was working I was traveling on the road. I pulled over to the, what we have is a reservation here, a beautiful area. And I began to cry out to the Lord and ask the Lord to come into my heart and I became born again. At that point everything had changed at that point; and God had quickly swept us into a charismatic experience we began to speak in tongues, we began to prophesy in tongues immediate supernatural gifts began to manifest. That began to mature; that began to develop in terms of prophetic gifts and words of knowledge and so forth.
Sid: Now what type of work were you doing?
Felix: I was spending… well looking back to the last 26 years I was selling gold and diamonds; I had an office on 47th Street in the gold and diamond center in New York City. And I had been working with Chasidic and Orthodox Jews for my entire life.
Sid: Now when you… I don’t want to jump too far ahead of you until we talk to your wife Bonnie but when God called you out of business. Many people that are called out of business to ministry it’s unfortunate are not very successful in business. What was going on in your life we’re you having problems?
Felix: Contrary, I had a 6 figure salary which is great certainly in the world standards. I had been very blessed of the Lord for 26 – 27 years I had never been out of work. I always share often from my perspective looking back I never had a car payment; I never had an insurance payment. That we had all the benefits and all the…
Sid: When you quit with all these Orthodox Jews as your employers how did they react?
Felix: Well some of them were astounded; some of them just couldn’t believe it. Certainly the relationships that I had with them ceased with me immediately, and they wanted no contact with me at all. And only 1 or 3 a handful of those was an opportunity for me to share what had gone on. Because when I left people were wondering what happened and eventually word got out that I had become a Messianic Rabbi. I had been called to the Jewish people; I had become a Jewish man who accepted Christ and in their mind I had become a goy or a Gentile.
Sid: But before they even knew that when you resigned were they shocked?
Felix: They were absolutely shocked, the job that I had it was a wonderful career in the natural. When I resigned I resigned my position as Vice President of the company and they couldn’t believe what I was doing. But you know I had always connected with Moses in the Bible always in growing up. He was always deeply ingrained in my being. And as Moses in the scripture the Bible says that it wasn’t until he was in his mid-forties that he suffering of his people. And interestingly enough it was in my mid-forties that I remember clearly on 47th Street I began to weep and I saw the suffering of our people and I saw the need of having salvation in Mashiach to come into their life. And it was from that point on I resigned and it was done.
Sid: I’ll tell you what Felix I want you to put your wife Bonnie on; let’s get to know her a little bit. Bonnie Felix’s wife comes from a…
Sid: Hi. I was just talking a bit about you; you come from a conservative/reformed type of background.
Sid: Tell me a bit about, actually when you were 8 years old and this is highly unusual; you had a God encounter.
Bonnie: Hmm. Hm.
Sid: Tell me about that.
Bonnie: Yes, I did. I was in my room 8 years old in the bed at night supposedly asleep which I knew that I was wide awake. I was just laying there and I had a great white light almost a funnel shape; a cone shape narrow at the bottom above my bed up at the ceiling. And above that appeared to be what I considered it a male but I didn’t know by voice that it was a male. There was no face that I could see that it was a male but I knew that it was the presence of a male. And I just stared up at it and when I looked up it was enormous it just seemed to consume the whole ceiling. And I was in my bed and felt like the size of a little peanut; I felt very very tiny unusually like I was this little tiny thing in a storybook or something.
Sid: By the way were both of your parents Jewish?
Bonnie: Yes, both my parents are Jewish. My mom’s whole background her grandmother and everybody that lived with her were Orthodox, and the same on my dad’s side.
Sid: And you said that at Passover you were really one of these children that were really looking for Elijah to bring the Messiah; is that true?
Bonnie: Yes I always waited every time they opened the door I really thought somebody was going to come. I really believed it and…
Sid: You said you had a Jewish Passover; it’s traditional that someone opens the door just in case Elijah’s there to announce the coming of the Messiah. I’ll tell you the first few years I thought it was fun. But afterwards I approached it as many Gentiles approach Santa Claus. I thought that it was just make believe.
Felix: I thought it was make believe once I was in my teen years but up until then because they always used to fill Elijah’s cup and unbeknownst to me it was always empty. So I really thought that he had come and you know it was my parents who drank Elijah’s cup but I really believed it for many years.
Sid: Bonnie, we’re out of time right now but we’ll pick up with you on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah he is Messianic Jewish Recording Artist Marty Goetz and we’ve been playing selections from his CD all this week. As a matter of fact let’s start out with a selection called “Blessed is the Man.” And Marty I really relate to this because it’s from scripture “Blessed is a Man with a Vision.” And I pray that God would give you a vision as you hear “Blessed if a Man.”
Marty except of Sanctuary “Blessed is a Man.”
Sid: Marty you told me before we went on the air that you and your wife had recently been exposed to the teaching of a Bible teacher by the name of Leif Hetland and he talks about the Father’s love it had such an impact on you. Tell me about that.
Marty: Well, coming from my background and I don’t know if it had to do with coming from a Jewish background. Much of my believing life has been oriented to “How am I doing?” Is God pleased with me yet? And am I doing anything for the Kingdom of God that’s worthwhile.” And it’s almost been a bit of a bondage. And brother Leif came in and gave a message where he talked about the Poppa’s love and sitting on the lap of the Poppa. And no matter what he did it was an A+ because God was pleased with him because he was in the Lord. It was just a vibrant childlike message of Father’s love and the need to not do, but to just be. And ever since he gave that message and he declared a phrase “Deception is deceptive.” We can be deceived that we have to work and work and work and strive. And he gave us a message that the Father just loves us. He gave a testimony of his own life where he did a lot of works for God. But now he’s experiencing the love of His Father. Ever since I heard that message and the Spirit has been moving upon me ever since. And I now have a deeper sense of Abba, my heart cries Abba Father and I’m not stuck on performing for Him but rather resting in Him and just receiving His love. Working for His Kingdom out of that pleasure of His presence.
Sid: You know I like to use a word that most of religion has become a works mentality versus a freedom mentality. I believe that as I’ve been talking about the One New Man Congregation the wall of separation coming down between Jew and Gentile it’s not just a restoration of the Biblical festivals, it’s a restoration of the freedom that God wants us to have. I mean we’re not going to provoke anyone to jealousy through a bunch of rules and regulations and do’s and don’ts and bondage.
Marty: I agree and especially in Jewish ministry; I believe our people are waiting for the freedom and the liberty that comes from Yeshua; His Kingdom and not simply to be provoked to be more religious absolutely I don’t.
Sid: You know I did a Passover Seder with a mutual friend of ours Paul Wilbur. And he was singing and I was supposed to explain all the elements on the Passover plate and show how they tied in with Jesus. And I’ve done this 100′s if not 1000′s of times and the Spirit of God poured out in such a degree that we never even got to the plate. Such a shame God showed up and the purpose of these festivals are not the festivals. The purpose of these festivals are to have appointments with God.
Marty: Absolutely. And I would like to add one thing to that there are some who look down on these festivals and falsely say that they are a retreat into the law or putting people back into bondage. I believe what you are saying that the Spirit of the festivals is to celebrate the person of Yeshua and the presence of the Spirit among us. I believe that that’s one of the messages that’s going to be coming fourth in the earth In these days. That the entire council of scriptures from Genesis to Revelation is a celebration of the person of God and His presence among us, and those festivals point to that.
Sid: And you know and a lot of people say that well, we have the freedom but they literally spiritualize everything in the scriptures.
Marty: It’s part of my concern and I know it’s yours that people would misunderstand that. I do see a little bit of that; I do see people zealous to set us free and by being zealous to do that they’re in some sense demo-grating the thing that are made up in what we call the Tenach. The Torah, the prophets and the writings. They look down on it as if it’s something old to be done away with. And I believe that that’s incorrect teaching and I believe that one of the reasons that the Messianic Vision is so important is to infuse into this fresh revival and this fresh renew that’s in the land a deeper understanding of how scripture all ties together.
Sid: You know Marty you’re really describing the One New Man the church is getting revelation on the freedom and the grace. The Messianic Jews are revelation on the Biblical Festivals and one without the other is out of balance but you put those two together isn’t that the One New Man we’ve been talking about.
Marty: I believe so and I believe the world is still waiting to see the full demonstration and glory of that. Because that was what the Apostle Paul, Saul of Tarsus the Rabbi from Tarsus known as Paul had a passion for. Is that the world would see that the Jew and Gentile would see that together in Messiah full of the Spirit experiencing the blessings of His Kingdom and provoking Israel and the Nations to want to know Him.
Sid: You know I’m reminded when I first became a believer and we started something called Messianic Judaism that had actually existed before we started it but I had never heard of it and we knew nothing. We knew nothing, all we knew was Jesus was real and every week Jewish people were coming to the Lord, but since that time and it’s been almost 30 years now. Since that time, in the United States at least, there hasn’t been a move of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. And I happen to believe that we’re about ready for one of the greatest outpourings of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. And as these Jewish people get saved and come into the church this One New Man is about ready to explode on the scene.
Marty: I agree and I believe a renewal in the land through the Spirit from some of these wonderful teachers like Leif is going to help bring that about. Because that is what our people need; they need freedom from bondage; they need deliverance and they need salvation. Hallelujah.
Sid: And speaking of Hallelujah that’s hard for me to say it that way is that the Ashkenazic way or is it the Sephardic?
Marty: I just (Laughing) I guess it’s just kind of Biblical.
Sid: Now I sure hope what happened to my guest Bill Kent doesn’t happen to you to make you red hot for the Messiah. But here’s what happened to my friend Bill in May of 1985. He was riding his motorcycle and he had an accident with a train. At the worst state explain your physical condition Bill.
Bill: I went into cardiac and respiratory arrest 3 times and was back 3 times. Beyond that I suffered physical injuries including massive head injuries; blindness in the right eye because of optic nerve damage and spinal cord injuries that left me a quadriplegic for a period of 15½ years.
Sid: But you didn’t let that hold you down so to speak because you went on to a career in wheelchair sports, and according to my records here you won 39 gold medals. What sport did you participate in?
Bill: I was involved in shooting air guns at stationery targets and giving God the glory I borrowed a gun from the ROTC Department at Salisbury State University the evening before the competition the very first competition that I was ever involved in. Shot it for 20 minutes to adjust the sites; the next day went into a competition; the Maryland Wheelchair Games at Salisbury State University, and with the aid of God, was able to accomplish 5 gold metals and 5 national records.
Sid: Yes, but you did take a tail spin as a result of you know being a quadriplegic and was there any hope medically that you could get better?
Bill: The doctors said “No.”
Sid: Okay, so a lot of things were going bad in your life I mean you attempted suicide twice; what was going on?
Bill: Well, that was in 1994, I flipped over backwards in my wheelchair and broke my neck and at that point you know I was a born again Christian going to you know church on a regular basis serving the Lord. And at that point in my life when I had this accident I reached out to God for help; reached out to the church for help, and was basically you know without. And at that point you know I said “If this is the God that I serve then I don’t want to be involved.” So I cut off my relationship with God and the church and everything and just started living life the way I wanted to live it. And I’ll tell you what you want to talk about tail spin; you want to talk about complete failure; I couldn’t do anything right.
Sid: Well, according to what I read here you lost everything. Then in July of 2000 you were stuck at a friend’s house literally stuck because your van that you had was broken down.
Sid: And you had an encounter with God; tell me about that.
Bill: Well, it was in October of 2000 God spoke to me and said “Go to Columbus Ohio.” This was a continual message every day for like 2 weeks and I thought I was losing my mind.
Sid: Now when you say God spoke to you was it an audible voice?
Bill: You know it’s like it has to be a Spiritual voice but it was so clear and so concise and so strong that it could have been audible.
Sid: So one day you’re watching television and an evangelist comes on that you’ve never heard of he’s name is Rod Parsley; what happened?
Bill: I was watching the TV and Pastor Rod Parsley came on and his church is in Columbus, Ohio exactly where the Lord told me to go on November the 5th. But this was an infomercial about a debt burning service on October the 31st.
Sid: Well, that’s not going to do you any good
Bill: No, because my message was to go on November the 5th but before… I mean just as the program ended you know within about 5 minutes this power the Lord came on me and convinced me that I had to call the church. So I did and then there was an elder at the church that tried to convince me not to come because he didn’t want to see me disappointed in case I didn’t receive.
Sid: Well, I mean that’s a long hike for you to drive in your van that’s broken-down?
Bill: Well, the van had just been repaired; just had a new transmission put in it and I had spent every penny that I had. So I went to my pastor at the church and I explained this to him and he said “It sounds like you heard from the Lord so let’s see what happens.” And this was a Thursday evening and the pastor conducted his service and at the end he took up an offering. And at the end of that he came to me and he gave me this offering and said “This is what you need to get to Ohio.”
Sid: Could you have gone without that offer?
Bill: No, I could not.
Sid: Okay but you got a little but you got king of a down payment of what was coming; he prayed for you and what happened?
Bill: Yes, yes he offered to pray and he prayed and you know at the time I didn’t feel anything but you know it’s God’s time and not mine and not yours and not anybody else’s; it’s God’s time. And the next morning I woke up and I had an assistance dog and his name was Baron and he was a Dalmatian but I didn’t have any feeling on my right side. The next morning after the pastor; after Pastor Gurley had prayed for me I woke up to my dog licking my right hand; so the feeling had started to come back on my right side. I was being healed.
Sid: My goodness you must be really excited; so you head to Columbus, Ohio to Rod Parsley’s Church, a man you had never heard of till you happened to see him on TV until God told you that you had to be there on a certain date. Your headed there you’re about there and you make a phone call and someone answers from the church; what goes on?
Bill: Yes, it was a young lady from the prayer center at World Harvest Church answered the phone and I had called there to speak to an elder but the elder was not available. So this young lady offered to pray for me; and I’ll tell you she said one of the most awesome prayers that I have ever heard. I had never heard anything like it you know. That convinced me that this was the Holy Ghost. During that prayer for the first time in 15½ years I had sensation in the bottoms of my feet. The bottoms of my feet actually felt like they were on fire. This was God you know healing me.
Sid: You know you must have been getting pretty excited.
Bill: I was ah, if I… it was an experience that I can’t even describe; I mean you know I was so elated.
Sid: So you get to the church; what happens as you… I assume that you’re in a wheelchair?
Bill: Yes, I’m in a wheelchair; I go into the church with my dog and they usher me down into the D Wing Commons it used to be a cafeteria now it’s just a common area in the church; a gathering place. And I’m in this D Wing Commons and there’s this young lady in there probably 3 or 4 years old; a little black girl that is singing and dancing and twirling and I can’t make out what she’s singing. So I get closer and closer and then finally I interrupt her and she spins around and gives me a blank look. And I say “What are you singing?” And she said to me “I’m not singing, and I said “But you were you were singing and dancing.” And she said “No it’s not me.” And I said “Then who was it?” And without hesitation she said “Jesus.” And that just flipped me out; that just flipped me out you know it’s like…
Sid: She was saying the Lord was dancing through her.
Sid: And moving her body.
Bill: Through her.
Sid: Okay go ahead.
Bill: Yes and speaking through her and I was a born again Christian you know born again and baptized in the Holy Ghost in a Pentecostal Church so I believe in speaking in tongues. This little girl 3 or 4 years old I didn’t believe; I didn’t understand that it was possible for a 3 or 4 year old girl to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost. But she was singing in tongues. That was another confirmation that the Lord was in the House; then they take me into the sanctuary and the praise and worship starts; and it’s unbelievable. Before the praise and worship actually starts there was a young man that was the director of praise and worship at World Harvest Church and he made an announcement that it was going to be a miracle faith and healing service.
Sid: You didn’t realize it was?
Sid: I’ll tell you what hold that thought we’ll have you back tomorrow for one of the most authentic bona fide medically proven miracles of a quadriplegic walking. But I want to read from the New Living Translation Acts Chapter 20 verse 24; this is Paul speaking. “But my life worth nothing unless I use it for doing the work assigned me by the Lord Jesus; the work of telling others the good news about God’s wonderful kindness and love.” And then he goes on to say “No one’s damnation can be blamed on me for I did not shrink from declaring all that God wants for you.” I have to tell you that’s the way I feel, I feel that my life is worth nothing unless I tell people about the marvelous good news about what the Messiah of Israel did for me. And that’s why when you hear this I will have just returned from Israel with very high profile evangelistic meetings; I can’t wait to tell you about them. As a matter of fact there are many of you that have listening to me for years and have not read my testimony book. The title is “There Must Be Something More” because that was a song I wrote as a Jewish non-believer because people that write music or paint pictures that’s what’s going on in their heart. My heart was screaming “There must be something more!” But I didn’t see it in traditional Judaism and so I wondered into the New Age and the occult and almost lost my mind, my marriage, my life and God rescued me. I can’t understand a backslider I know what’s back there; there are so many people caught up in the New Age and they call themselves Christians or they call themselves Jews but they don’t realize what they’re dealing with. And that’s why I wrote this book…
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to understand who America’s next great enemy is, and understand because let’s face we are not being told the truth by any of the media, it appears there may be some exceptions. We do have the truth in the Bible, but how are going to judge where we are in end times, and how we should pray unless we get understanding. Understanding that’s why I interviewing Erick Stakelbeck you’ve probably seen him on CNN, or FOX, or Glenn Beck, or Bill O’Reilly, or Sean Hannity, or perhaps his own show, he’s an expert on the Middle East Islamic terrorism. You’ve probably seen him he’s the host on CBN of “Stakelbeck On Terrorism.” Erick on yesterday’s broadcast there is a group in the news this whole Arab Spring. You see it at the forefront almost as if they were organized to jump in and control the political scene, the Muslim Brotherhood. Most people don’t know who they are. If I go by what I read in the newspapers I mean is it true that this Muslim Brotherhood over the last calendar year or so has been at the White House over a 100 times, is that true?
Erick: Sid this is absolutely true and I lay it out in my new book that Muslim Brotherhood linked individuals, and in the book I name names. Groups and individuals that are linked to this totalitarian violent movement called the Muslim Brotherhood had been guests at our White House Sid, and they…
Sid: Wait till our people find out who they really are. On yesterday’s broadcast you started telling the history of them. Would you continue?
Erick: Sure Sid. This group was founded in 1928 in Egypt it is a global movement. The Muslim Brotherhood is present in some 80 countries around including right here in America. This is the most influential, the oldest Islamic radical movement Sid. So founded in 1928 in Egypt there founding motto, the creed they live by, today still, reads in part Sid “Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.” This whole notion of martyrdom, of suicide bombings, it started with the Brotherhood. They spawned Al Qaeda Sid every major Al Qaeda leader from Osama Ben Laden on down before they formed Al Qaeda they belonged to the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas, which has killed American citizens, which is slaughtering Jewish women and children every day, they are the self-identified Palestinian branch of, yes, the Muslim Brotherhood. Now Sid in the 1930’s and 1940’s as the Brotherhood was getting off the ground in Egypt they collaborated closely with the Nazi’s. The Brotherhood worked with Hitler’s war machine to exterminate the Jews, to extend the final solution to the Jews of the Middle East. They also participated in the invasion of Israel in 1948 Sid joining the Arab armies trying to snuff out the miraculous rebirth of Israel. Anti-Semitism is one of the bedrocks of the Muslim Brotherhood. They are the vanguard of global anti-Semitism today Sid. In the book I call them Hitler’s heirs today.
Sid: Tell me just a little bit, whet our appetite you go into detail in your book, but tell me about the secret Brotherhood documents that were found by the Swiss.
Erick: Yeah Sid it has become known, these documents, as “The Project.” Now after 9/11 everyone’s sensors were up about Islamic radicalism, Islamic terrorism, and the Muslim Brotherhood has been the main driving force through the years of Islamic terrorism. So Swiss authorities raided the luxurious villa of a leading global Muslim Brotherhood operative, and they found a treasure trove of documents Sid and one of them caught their interest in particular. It has become known in intelligence and law enforcement circles as “The Project.” What The Project is basically is the Muslim Brotherhood’s blueprint to conquer the west, to conquer Europe, conquer America from within. One of their strategies Sid, and we’re seeing them do it to perfection here in America, is to get positions of influence. Whether it’s in the government, at the universities, in the media, get positions of influence, control the conversation, control the narrative. I’ll give you a great example Sid. With Palestinian suicide bombers I’ve interviewed Muslim Brotherhood spokesmen face to face this is how they frame it. They say “This is not terrorism what the Palestinians are doing to Israel it’s occupation, it’s resistance against illegal occupation.” That’s how they’ve been able to frame it, it’s just resistance. The poor Palestinian’s have no other choice but to blow themselves up and take Israeli women and children with them. It’s resistance to occupation. This is the kind of strategy that’s laid out in “The Project” Sid, and it enables the Muslim Brotherhood and their minions to control the conversation here in the west, and also to charm the pants off of western leaders who take what they say at face value.
Sid: Just out of curiosity how did they get so sharp, how did they start dressing like Madison Avenue coming up with PR techniques that are so outrageous I guess Barnum would call it “The Big Lie?” I mean how? (Laughing)
Erick: (Laughing)You know Sid they started… the Brotherhood from their inception I have to say early on in Egypt their founder a guy named Hassan al-Bana he did not wear the long robes he wore a suit. He would wear the old Egyptian fez, the old hat many in Egypt would wear, but he wore a suit. From the beginning they were able to kind a stand apart from the other movements that’s why they’re so diabolical Sid, so effective and so dangerous. The standard Muslim Brotherhood outfit a suit, a tie, all of them, most of them fluent in English many of them western educated eloquent. To the western English speaking media they say all the right things Sid “Yes we support democracy, yes we support the peace treaty with Israel.” When the cameras aren’t rolling and you get them in front of Arabic media the story is much different “Death to Israel, no democracy, Islamic Sharia law must rule over one and all.”
Sid: Okay the average American doesn’t know the flip side which you explain very articulately in your book “The Brotherhood America’s Next Great Enemy.” Certainly our administration knows what came out of your mouth, how can they in good faith call these people moderates? How can they entertain them in the White House a 100 times? How can the press be in awe of them?
Erick: Yeah I think when people read how I document this in the book Sid I think they’re going to pull out their hair in frustration. Look there’s 2 tracks here…
Sid: By the way, do we as a country financially support the Muslim Brotherhood?
Erick: Of course Sid, look when Mohamed Morsi, thankfully for only a brief period of time was the president of Egypt for about a year we were sending him billions of dollars in U.S., tax payer I might add, financial aid. So yes we have supported the Muslim Brotherhood around the world. Why do we do it Sid? There’s 2 tracks here:
- You have the state department bureaucrats the geniuses inside the Washington Beltway where I’m sitting right now. They see the Brotherhood as a counterweight to Al-Qaeda. They say “Hey the Muslim Brotherhood has changed ats spots they’re not bad anymore, they’re not blowing anyone up, yet. So let’s use them as a counterweight against the really bad guys in Al-Qaeda.
- I believe this includes President Obama himself is the revolutionary leftist kind of ideology that many in our administration unfortunately have. Which sees radical Islamist as an ally of sorts…
Sid: But wait a second how could a leftist pair up with some of the theology of Islam?
Erick: Sid this is such a strange phenomenon, I have an entire chapter about it in the book. Remember this hard-core leftist and hard-core radical Islamist many many differences of course…
Sid: Now just for our audience define leftist.
Erick: A leftist would be someone who basically in my view Sid a hard leftist wants a socialist state. Wants America to be a socialist country living by the precepts of Carl Marx; someone who is not fond of Judeo-Christian western civilization and wants to turn it on its head, turn the U.S. constitution at the end of the day upside down, and chip away at the traditions of America, the traditional family values and family structure of America. To me that is a hard-core leftist. The hard-core Islamist have a different strategy, a different goal but they share a common foe. Islamist leftist the common foe is again traditional Judeo-Christian western civilization. Both sides want to turn it on its head. Now the Islamist want Sharia law, the leftist I guess they think they’ll have some socialist utopia but they both despise traditional America. So they will work together strange as it sounds you’ll see them marching arm and arm at anti-war rallies. You’ll see the leftist, and not just hard-core leftist Sid I have to say common liberals especially here on Capitol Hill, just your average everyday liberal have carried the water of radical Islamist. I’ve seen it with my own 2 eyes at hearings on Capitol Hill. Just your average everyday liberal even…
Sid: But a liberal wants to have rights for homosexuals, rights for… I still can’t see them pairing together.
Erick: I know it is madness, but this is how slick and savvy the Brotherhood is. In these documents, and we talked about “The Project.” It literally Sid talks about working with leftist and those we don’t agree with…
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah. His name is Robert Gay; he’s a Pastor in Panama City, Florida. And Robert, someone that I really value in the Body of Messiah by the name of Bishop Bill Hamon. You were his Worship Leader; did the anointing on him because he is such a prolific prophet; did it rub off on you?
Robert: Well, I would hope that it did and I consider Bishop Bill Hamon my spiritual father. And we’ve had this wonderful relationship with he and Ma Hamon for over 25 years now. And we so appreciate the relationship that we have and we appreciate all the anointing and transfer that we have received from their ministry.
Sid: But of course it didn’t start there; it started because you had praying parents; you were raised in a Pentecostal home. And when you were just 11 years of age you received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And someone told me you couldn’t speak English for the next how many hours?
Robert: Well, my mother and father; actually it happened on a youth meeting on Tuesday night I went to this youth meeting and I did not go there with the intention of being filled with the Holy Spirit. I just was going to the youth meeting and they began to pray for people to be filled with the Holy Spirit. And there was a lady that began to pray and of course all the folks just began to gather around others that were being prayed for to receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit. But any way she began to shake a lot while they were praying so I thought that that was the thing that you were supposed to do so I just began to just shaking myself. And the next thing you know she turned around and said “I believe this little boy right here can be filled with the Holy Spirit and hands began to come from all different directions toward me. Any way I got baptized in the Holy Spirit; my Mom and Dad came to pick me up; I could not even talk all the way home because any time I would try to open my mouth tongues would come out. I went to bed that night just praying in tongues and it lasted that way until the next morning.
Sid: Just out of curiosity as a little 11 year old kid how does that little mind wrap “I can’t speak English anymore?”
Robert: Well, it was just one of the strangest things that had ever happened to me. I had an understanding; at least a partial understanding of what had happened but the only thing that I knew was that I couldn’t open my mouth without some other unusual language coming out. Of course being brought up in a…
Sid: I think I might have thought; I’m never going to be able to speak English again.
Robert: (Laughing) Huh I really didn’t know at the time but I would just my Mother and my Father they would ask me a question and I would not respond to them. I would just “Hm hm” because anytime I would try to speak anything that tongues would come out.
Sid: And another thing I like is you are a Worship Leader and you move in strong words of of knowledge and prophecy. But I love it because sometimes you sing it; tell me about one time you sang a prophecy and what happened.
Robert: Well; we’ve had a lot of different things that have taken place over the years. One of the things that I remember very vividly and I was ministering in a town that was right below Atlanta, Georgia. And as I was leading into worship the Lord; and this was back many years ago when the first began to do this at least manifest in this way through me. And I began to sing this and the Lord gave me what I call a song of deliverance; and I began to sing this. The words were “There is somebody here…
Sid: Could I get you to sing it; rather than tell me it?
Robert: Well, my voice was a lot better back then.
Sid: That’s okay, I’ll give you grace go for it.
Robert: But I began to sing “There’s somebody here you’ve misaligned a vertebrae in your neck but now the Spirit of the Lord is upon you and He’s healing you.” It was something like that; and it was very short and it wasn’t real long. Nothing what you would call great and profound melodically but at the end of the service there’s a lady that comes up to me; running up to me at the end of the service weeping and crying. And she said “When you sang that song I want you to know happened to me something is something popped in my neck. Said I’d been going to chiropractors for years, I’d been going to doctors for years. I was in an automobile accident; I’m on constant pain medication because of my neck and she said that when you sang that song something popped in my neck and every bit of pain left my neck immediately. I saw the pastor about four months later in a conference and he brought to my remembrance what had taken place. He said “Do you remember the lady that had gotten healed in the service with her neck, he said “Since then she’s not had one bit of pain medicine; she’s not had one thing what so ever; she hasn’t had to go back to the doctors and hasn’t experienced one bit of pain.” Nobody laid hands on her; no body did anything but it was just released through a prophetic song of deliverance. And it’s what I believe you know the Bible says that “He sent His Word and healed them.”
Sid: You know you had something so wonderful happen with your children. And as far as I’m concerned to have your children serving the Lord; that’s the most wonderful thing in the world. But when your daughter was about to be born in 1988 she has a sonogram and it reveals that your daughter is dead in the womb. What occurred?
Robert: Well, what happened is my wife began to bleed heavily and so she went to the doctor of course we had already found out and established that she was pregnant. She went to the doctor and they did a sonogram and whenever they conducted the sonogram and diagnosis came back that she had a blighted ovum. And a blighted ovum is basically where pregnancy takes place but then the embryo dies on the vine.
Robert: So you have the sack and you can actually see the formation of life but there is no heart beat and no activity what-so-ever. And she was bleeding real heavily and so the doctor said “We need to do a DNC and we need to do it immediately.” And so I could not actually could not go with her to the doctor that day so she called me at the office and I was at that time working with Christian International with Dr. Bill Hamon. And she was crying and weeping and she said “What do I do?” And I said “We’re not going to do anything as far as what the doctors say; we are going to stand on the word of the Lord.” Because what had just happened several months previous we had received a prophetic word that we were going to have a daughter who would be a dancer in the House of the Lord. And so Paul said “Take the prophetic word and war a good warfare with the word that you have received.” And so we took that word and we began to war a good warfare with it. And so whenever I got home that night I laid my hands upon her stomach and I said “You will live and not die.” And we began to declare that and we began to take that word those prophetic words that we had received about having a daughter who would be a dancer in the House of the Lord. And we just began to war a good warfare with those and about a month later all the bleeding stopped. And then she went back to the doctor and the doctor proceeded to do the sonogram and heard the heartbeat and literally jumped back at astonishment in the fact that there was a heartbeat that was actually there. And what we believe is that God actually resurrected her in the womb and she was born that year in 1988. And today she’s the head of our dance team.
Sid: So that prophetic word was from God.
Robert: Almost definitely; most definitely.
Sid: I mean it saved her life for starters.
Sid: I mean because you knew that she was going to be a dancer therefore you knew she was going to live.
Robert: Exactly, exactly and again any time you make and stand and you believe what God has said. Although we have promises in the written word; there was no specific word that I could go to in the Bible that said “I was going to have a daughter who’d be a dancer in the House of the Lord.” We would have had every reason just to believe whatever the doctor said and do what the doctor said. But we had a diagnosis; I call it a pre-diagnosis from Dr. Jesus saying “She is going to live and not die.” We had a pre-diagnosis that said that she would be a dancer in the House of the Lord and God resurrected her. And again today she’s serving the Lord and she prophesies in the Church and now herself has 2 children.
Sid: Well, as far as I’m concerned you are one blessed man. I mean your 3 children saved; filled with the Spirit; operate in the gifts of the Spirit. And your grandchildren I mean there’s no greater blessing as far as I’m concerned. But I am concerned that many people that are listening to us right now and they may miss the next great and maybe last outpouring of God’s Spirit on planet Earth that’s just about ready to hit us because they just don’t understand the Ten Commandments. Explain on that just briefly.
Robert: Well, I believe as a part of the New Covenant that we have to understand that grace does not separate us from the Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact I have taught this and believe this that grace actually ties it to us; ties the Ten Commandments to us to a greater level. In the Old Covenant of course what we know as the Ten Commandments were originally written on the tablets of stone. However Jeremiah begins to prophesy of a day that the day would come when God would write a New Covenant. And this is what he said “I will write my law upon their hearts and I will write it upon their minds.” So in the Old Testament the Commandments were of course “You shall not have no other gods before you; don’t steal; don’t lie; all these things. These are commandments that were written on stone that were then imposed upon the folks, the people that were under the Old Covenant. In the New Testament now we are actually tied to those Commandments to a greater level because they are now written upon our heart. So now they are Commandments that now motivate us to live righteously; they motivate us…
Sid: I’m sorry we’re out of time.
Sid: My guest Tom Horn you recall from the St. Malachi prophecies. He has got a bomb shell of a book. I’m telling you this is beyond my imagination the facts that you have gathered from the secret plan on the currency, for the anti-Christ, to the secrets in the great seal in the US; it all stems to a group called the masons. Which when you told me the person that founded freemasonry was a Rosicrucian if I had known that I would have realized the whole thing must have been New Age. But tell me about how Washington D.C. was physically designed with Masonic symbolism.
Tom: And this is one of the things Sid that just comes as such a surprise to people; people that are unfamiliar with the American Masonic history they have no clue the involvement by Freemasons in even he layout and design of this city was part of a magnificent occultic plan. For instance, if you go to Washington DC today you can hire a guide now, a free masonic-guide, who will show you the house of the temple; show you the buildings that belong to the Scottish Rite Freemasonry. But they also will show you the design and layout of the capital city and how it was shepherded by those who wanted to reflect dedication to all of the ancient pagan gods that Bacon and his followers were seeking wisdom from. Not only that you can go to the government’s own website; there’s an article called “The Most Approved Plan: The Competition For the Capital’s Design.” This is one the Library of Congress’s website and it tells how after they advertised this competition for the design of the center of Washington DC of how George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Commissioners of the District of Columbia rejected all the other plans and instead designed a plan of their own that was based on their own that was based on (This was a quote from our own government website). “The Roman Pan-peon the circular domed rotunda dedicated to all pagan gods.” So our own government websites admit that this is a fact; so now what does that mean? In very partial terms in what way was it dedicated to all these pagan gods? This is the part that stands out as astonishing anyone could visit Washington DC; they could go over to the Capital buildings; they can go over to the dome and stand there and look across that field at the that great Washington monument that’s standing there. What they don’t recognize is that this part of the greatest conspiracy of all times sitting right out in the open because that diagram is well known in ancient Egypt. It is a magical talismatic energy creator if you will; it’s a prime evil concept Sid; it was designed in antiquity for only one purpose; regeneration; resurrection; apotheosis. Literally for deity incarnation from the underworld for under the earth surface through the union of these two respective figures, the dome, which is the ancient structural representation of the womb of Isis, and the obelisk which is the ancient…
Sid: Now you’re talking about the Washington Monument now.
Tom: I am and that’s a model by the way from antiquity; it exists today on the grandest scale in 2 places and this is very important. At the heart of the capital of the most powerful government on earth, the United States, and also in the heart of the most powerful church on earth the Vatican. And there’s a few things about this and I won’t get bogged down in the details but they’re important that people should know. First, the US Capital has been called the mirror Vatican throughout history due to the striking similarity between the primary building and streets. And in fact that isn’t an accident; America’s forefather’s first named the Capitol City Rome.
Tom: But the parallelism between Washington and the Vatican is most clearly illustrated by the Capital building and the dome facing the obelisk known as the Washington Monument. And then at the Vatican by a dome facing an obelisk in St. Peter’s Basilica that was actually taken from the Biblical city of On that was dedicated to the god Osiris. And it was moved there and erected in the middle of St. Peter’s Basilica and in fact Sixtus the Pope at that time when the did erect it and dedicate it he even performed an exorcism on the obelisk to try to cast a demon of Osiris out of it. (Laughing) But in any case that is what we call an alchemical blueprint; it is an ancient formula; a mystical construct for the purpose of resurrecting from the underworld the spirit of Osiris into whoever the leader happens to be at that time. I got a…
Sid: And you say another name for Osiris is anti-Christ?
Tom: Another name for Osiris or Apollo is the anti-Christ; the god Osiris in Egyptian mythology was renamed Apollo in Greek mythology and that’s an established fact. There’s a great deal of academic material out there that says that isn’t just Tom Horn’s opinion that’s an established fact. And what makes that interesting when you for instance at the great seal of the United States of America is that you have all of the images are Egyptian in their motif. So you have an uncapped pyramid; you have the all seeing eye of Horus; these are all Egyptian motifs. But then the motto’s that are on the seal these are all taken from Greek prophecies about the return of Apollo. So you have the marriage of Osiris and Apollo on the great seal of the United States. You see the same thing in the Statue of Liberty; the Statue of Liberty was created by the same guy that created the Eiffel Tower was sent here as a gift to the United States. And in their own documents concerning the creation of it they said that the body of it was created to be that that to represent the goddess Osiris, Egyptian Mithras. But they said that the head with the spikes sticking up off of it was representing the god Apollo. So once again in these images you have the marriages of the Greek and the Egyptians but they’re all talking about the same god. And in ancient times the obelisk and the giant towering oboist like you see in Washington, DC. And isn’t it interesting they made that obelisk to be…
Sid: And again you’re talking about the Washington monument.
Tom: I’m talking about the Washington monument.
Tom: And you can look it up on the internet or if you visit Washington, DC and go to the Capitol dome you’ll just stand there and look at the Washington monument. And this was created to be the largest one in the world and is it a coincidence that it is 6-6-6 inches high; some measurements say it’s 6-6-6.0 inches high. And at the base it’s 6-6-6 inches wide along each side at the base; I don’t know if that’s a coincidence; I think that there’s some inspiration there being maybe worldly.
Sid: Tell me about the secret plain for the anti-Christ on the US currency.
Tom: Sid, it’s a fact that the great seal of the United States is a prophecy of a global leader who will oversee a New World order. And just so the listeners know that’s not just my opinion that’s also been verified by Masonic-leaders like Manly P. Hall who is probably the most celebrated 33rd degree Free Mason of all time. He called the great seal the signature of the Free Masons. In fact he said that the unfinished pyramid on its reverse side is a trestle board or a blueprint if you will of symbolic task to the accomplishment of which the United States government was dedicated from the day of its inception.
Sid: How do we not know this as I’ve lived my whole life as an American; how come this isn’t all over the news?
Tom: Yeah, well hopefully between you and me Sid we’re going to put it all over the news.
Sid: Oh, I know that; tell me about our US currency, this is amazing.
Tom: Yeah, even Presidents and Vice Presidents have verified that the symbolism on the great seal of the United States is a prophecy about the coming of an end-time leader. And why that should be concerning the Christians is because the god on the great seal of the United States the prophecy the Novus Ordo Seclorum prophecy is taking from the Cumaei Sibyl. One of the most important prophetesses of the god Apollo who prophesied that at the end of time the god Apollo would return giving birth to a new golden age. Well, why should we care about that? Because the god Apollo is the same god that is identified in the New Testament, in more than one place, as the spirit that will fill the end-times anti-Christ. Now I said Presidents and Vice Presidents; for example Henry Wallace who was the Secretary of Agriculture for the United States in 1934. He was the one who brought to President Roosevelt the significance of the prophecies on the great seal of the United States, and then it was Roosevelt that in turn pushed to have the great seal placed on the US $1.00 bill. Both of them were Freemasons 32nd degree Free Masons, but they believed that this was a prophecy that invoked the return of the god of Free Masonry. And there’s a great deal of occultism surrounding this that we can discuss perhaps on another show; but they were believers. And so throughout American history you’ve had scholars, you’ve had road scholars like James H. Billington. Famous names like Charles Elliot Norton who said “When you look at the great seal of the United States it is hardly less than an emblem of a Masonic emblem of a Masonic Fraternity forecasting the return of their god the great god of the universe which is not the God of the Bible.
Sid: And your book “Zenith 2016” it talks about codes; Masonic codes that have been used by our current President and the Presidents previously in speeches… And they believe when they say these things it kind of goes into the atmosphere. Give me one quick example.
Tom: Well, one quick example January 20, 2001 George W. Bush who I voted for by th way, during his first inaugural address; he faced the obelisk known as the Washington monument in DC and twice referred to an angel who rides in the world wind and directs this storm.
Sid: So not just the President but congressmen are using this angel in the world wind which is an occultic masonic term.
Sid: I’ve got a good friend of mine Dr. John Miller on the telephone. He’s a chiropractor from Tampa, Florida. I’m speaking to him at his home right now because he has been studying communion for over 22 years. He has found such revelation that when you discern the body you understand exactly what Jesus did, then partake often every day in communion. You either get an instant healing which is called a miracle, or a gradual miracle which is called a healing. John we were talking about some areas on yesterday’s broadcast I’d like you to help clear up. The reason he’s my guest this week is because this weekend is Passover. As you know the Last Supper was a communion and a Passover meal. If you don’t understand Passover you cannot understand the Last Supper, and you certainly cannot understand communion. There are many people feel they can only take communion in a church with a priest, or a pastor involved in the ceremony. What would you say John?
John: Well that’s contrary to the word of God, but unfortunately it’s in line with a lot of church teaching. Let me read Revelation chapter 1 verses 5 and 6 “And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.” Now this is speaking to everyone in our listening audience that has been washed in the blood of Jesus. Goes on to say “And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be the glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.” Anyone that accepts Jesus Christ as their Messiah is washed in His blood and has been made a priest and a king. Now there are certain obligations that come with being a priest. Before we get into those let me read 1st Peter 2:9 “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.” If you’ve been called out of darkness into His marvelous light you have been made a royal priesthood. Now it was the priest obligation to give the communion in our churches. We are the temple, so each believer is the residing priest in that temple. Not only do we have permission to set forth the communion out for you and your family, but you have the obligation of being the priest in your home, and being the priest of your body which is the temple of God. So I’ve spoken in churches in denominations where only an ordained pastor in that denomination can give out communion, a licensed pastor, a licensed minister in that denomination can’t even give it. That’s totally not scriptural; anyone that’s washed in the blood is royal priest to God.
Sid: You know what of my little pet peeves is when pastors say “Welcome to house of God.” As if your home isn’t the house of God, as if your body is not the house of God, as if 2 of you gathering together is not the house of God. Sort of like I’ve got to go to that building to get to that house of God.
Sid: Let me ask you another thing. A lot people read the scripture about many eat are eating unworthily, and they say “I’m not worthy to participate in communion, or get a healing when I take communion.” Would you comment on that?
John: Yes, that’s 1st Corinthians 11:29 “For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.” Now I was taught all my life in church if you go to the communion table and eat the bread and drink the wine and you have some un-confessed sin, then you’re eating and drinking damnation to yourself, and that’s not what Paul said at all. He is a pronoun; eat and drink are verbs; unworthily is an adverb. An adverb describes a verb it doesn’t describe a pronoun. It’s not saying that the guy is unworthy it is saying the way he is eating and drinking is unworthy. Jesus said when you take communion do this in remembrance of me. I can remember going to communion table as a young man sitting there thinking “Oh man what sins have I done?” I’m trying to remember every bad thing that I’ve done so that I’m taking communion in remembrance of what I’ve done.
John: Not in remembrance of what He’s done.
Sid: My goodness we humans get things mixed up don’t we John?
John: Yes, and it’s caused people to be weak and sick, and prematurely die, that’s the sad part. So he goes on to explain “He that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, NOT discerning the Lord’s body for this cause you’re sick.” When you do not realize… when you pick up the bread that represents the body of Christ that at Cavalry was made to be sick with your sicknesses, just as He was made to be sin with your sin. When you eat that bread you are identifying with that redemption that came physically through the body of Christ. So it’s possible for people to go to the communion table and eat the bread and drink the wine and leave and never have the benefit because Paul says “They are eating and drinking but they’re not discerning what they are doing.” That’s why there are 2 elements to the communion; the bread represents the body which is associated with physical healing, and the wine represents the blood associated with spiritual healing.
Sid: John you’ve mentioned several times, and the operative word if you will for receiving the benefits of communion is “discerning the Lord’s body.” Help us understand how to discern what the Lord did for us from a passage of scripture that was written over 800 years before Jesus came to earth. It’s Isaiah the 53rd chapter; it is so powerful that in the daily readings in the Orthodox synagogue they read Isaiah 52, skip Isaiah 53 then go Isaiah 54 because they recognize if anyone were to hear Isaiah 53, which was written over 800 years before Jesus came to earth any Orthodox Jew would say “That’s talking about Jesus.” Would you comment a bit about Isaiah 53?
John: Yes. Isaiah was the prophet that gave most of the revelation about what the Messiah was to come and do. He starts off “Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?” Now that sounds like a very benign little verse of scripture not really saying much of anything, but it’s the most quoted verse of scripture from the Old Testament in the New Testament. John 12 many people saw what Jesus did and heard His words and they could not believe because Isaiah had said “Who hath believed our report?” There were people brought to Paul when he was in prison and he preached and they said “We’re almost persuaded,” but they could not believe because Isaiah had. So unfortunately, some people will not ever get the revelation of what the Messiah did for them at Cavalry. It goes on to say in verse 4 “Surely” now I like the way that starts out because when God says “surely” then there’s no doubt about it, what’s said occurred. “Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows.” Now you being a Messianic Hebrew scholar know that’s a mistranslation. The word “born” is the Hebrew word “nasah” which means remove. So…
Sid: I love that Hebrew word, I have to tell you once I realized that it’s not what it says in English.
John: “Surely he hath removed our griefs” well the Hebrew word there is “Kholi” it’s sickness and diseases. You’ll find that in 2nd Kings 1:2, and Deuteronomy 28:59. So “Surely he hath removed our diseases and carried our sorrow.” The Hebrew word “sorrow” is “M’cabah” which means afflictions, grief, pain and sorrow. So it’s literally saying “Surely he hath removed our sicknesses and carried our diseases.”
Sid: You know that word “nasah” I do want to comment on just a moment. The high priest would put his hands on the scapegoat and put the sins of the Jewish people there, and it would nasah, or remove, the sins away and go into the wilderness. All the sins would be taken it would be removed, and that’s what the Messiah did for us. Oops we’re out of time.
SID: So John, you have five children. That’s enough, you know. But you have this desire in your heart to adopt. And so John and his wife prayed and fasted for seven days, and then some very supernatural things happened. He goes to a concert and he hears the name of the girl he’s supposed to adopt. What happened?
JOHN: I did a concert in Michigan, and I was signing autographs at the table. And this little girl who had been adopted, this family had like six adopted kids, and this little girl came up to me and she asked me to sign her CD and I did. And she said her name was Anna. And I wrote the name on the CD, and as soon as I did, the Lord spoke to my heart and said, “That’s your daughter’s name.” And I was like, is that you? Lord, is that you speaking to me right now? And I knew that if really was God he would confirm it.
SID: What was it, the next day your wife is doing a Bible study about Anna in the Bible. But then the thing that is so amazing to me is the dream that you had. Wow.
JOHN: Yeah. You know, I never had supernatural prophetic dreams that I knew were actually prophetic dreams. But I went to sleep one night and I had this dream that I’m in an orphanage with all, surrounded by all these older kids, and they’re all coming up to me and meeting me. And I see this little girl out of the corner of my eye and she’s shy, she’s not with the other kids. And I looked over at her and I said, “Hey, what’s your name?” And she said, “My name is Anna.” And I didn’t think, I kind of, I knew I was dreaming. And that was not surprising that she would say “Anna” because the name was in my brain already. But what surprised me is what she said next. Because she looked seven years old, and I thought that was old from what we were considering adopting. I asked her how old she was, and she said, “I’m 10.” And as soon as she said she was 10 I was stunned in the dream. Ten? Where does 10 come from? And then my mom, who had passed away a couple years ago, showed up in a dream. And my mom was the first one that I told about it. I said, “Mom, I think I just met my daughter. Her name is Anna. She’s 10 years old.” And then I embraced my mom, wept, woke up crying. My wife is like, what’s going on. I said, “I think I met our daughter and she’s not Chinese. She’s Eastern European.”
SID: But then even more amazing than that, he gets, he’s going to have a little trial adoption. And so he gets a picture of Anna. How did she measure up to the dream you had?
JOHN: Well you know, two days after the dream, we found out about this hosting program. Our friends volunteer with this hosting program called Project 143, where you can host an orphan for the summer or sometimes during the winter break. And they were telling us about it, and we said we’re interested in adoption. And they said, have you thought about hosting an orphan. And we were like, we didn’t even know you can do that. I started thinking, are there any little girls around the age of 10 years old. And then I ended up getting a picture of her. And her name was spelled just like A-N-N-A. They called her Anya, which was her nickname and we found out that she was going to be turning 10 years old in October, you know. By time we had adopted he she was 10 years old. When I saw her picture, Sid, I knew she was the girl in my dream.
SID: Okay. He gets the name of the girl. He gets the age of the girl. He gets the picture of the girl. And then he finds out she has two siblings. Three. And in fact, you just had a son by the name of Israel, one week old. They’re in the audience right now. Take a look. Stand up please. John, you wrote a song about orphans. If you would go to the set right now and sing this song. Because this is, it’s not just on orphans as you might think. Many of us have orphan spirits. Why? Because we’ve never, many of us were raised without fathers. Many of us were raised with fathers that were really absent. And I believe that as John sings this song, that orphan spirit, it’s going to vamoose. It’s going to be gone. “Orphan.”
JOHN [music, singing]: Tearful faith… as best she could, she… I’m forever home. A world away… Jesus gives us eyes to see. Leading us to this that you will make a way for us. Now she’s here from halfway around the world. Because Jesus hears the orphan. He’s moving Heaven and Earth all for one little girl. I heard Jesus coming. Will you go and rescue her all for one little girl. Little did she know we were coming because Jesus hears the orphan. Father of adoption you’ve adopted me. Father of compassion here I am. Father of adoption you’ve adopted me. Father of compassion here I am. Jesus hears the orphan. He is moving Heaven and Earth for little boys, little girls. We hear Jesus calling. Will you go and rescue them, little boys, little girls. Little do they know we are coming. Little do they know mom and dad are coming.
SID: Sid Roth here with Sandra Kennedy. And she had a creative miracle, and out of that creative miracle she learned how to prove God. What do you mean by proving God?
SANDRA: I mean taking Him at His word, Sid. So many people know about God and do not know God, and have not settled in their mind that God is not a man, that He should lie. And if He said it, He will do it. Now it took me a process. We know a lot about God, but it takes us a little while to grab hold that He really is God. And I’ve always said, if God is God then God is God. If He’s God, He’s God, you know. And so that, even as a child that process stayed in my mind, even going to seminary where they were teaching that signs and wonders had passed away, and all that kind of stuff, because I was really taught that. And so but the reality that God had to be everything He says He is, and if His word is who He is, one and the same, then I could take His word, and if He said it and I would believe it, it had to come to pass the way He said it. I call that proving God. It talks about it in Isaiah. It talks about it when he says, “Come let us reason together.” And then when he talks about, you know, “Come and prove your case.” Come talk to me, is the way I like to put it. Come talk to me. Tell me why I should do for you what you say I should do. Take healing for a perfect example. He said that by the stripes of Jesus I’m healed. He says that he’s already done it. He said in His word, heal me. And so if I can believe, grab hold of that, and believe that word, then I can bring that word back. In Isaiah he also says that “His word will not return to him void”. That means that He spoke His word. He spoke it down on the earth. Then somebody has got to pick that word up and return it to him. And so I call proving God picking His very word back up and returning that word back to Him. This is what you said. You said that by the stripes of Jesus I’m healed. You said you said in your word, heal me. You’re the one who said that he’s done all this for me. So I’m holding you to your word. And that’s proving Him. That’s coming in and saying, this is what you said. I’m going to trust you. I’m going to take you at your word and I’m going to learn. First of all, you got to know what the Bible says. You got to understand the Word of God. You got to get in that Bible. You’ve got to understand it. But this doesn’t only work for healing. Now I have seen hundreds, actually thousands of people healed over all these years that God has used me in healing ministry. But most importantly, I see people taking the Word of God and letting that word become a reality to them, and then taking that word and saying, this is what you said. You can’t lie. God is not a man that he should lie, and holding that word back up to God, and I’m expecting you to do what you said you would do.
SID: You know, I have to ask you a question. When you had that tragedy, it’s what it was, with a chunk of your upper lip that won’t grow back, gone, you put scriptures all over. You know the scriptures. Why did you do that?
SANDRA: Because I’m a firm believer through all the years of dealing in healing, I’m a firm believer that we have to start over each time, almost, because we don’t keep the scriptures in front of our eyes all the time. Now Proverbs 4 says to do that. It says to keep the Word of God right in front of your eyes and that it will produce healing. But most of the time we do that based on where we are if you need a healing, physically. Then you will have those scriptures in front of you looking at them. If not, you can be written up in Armageddon.
SID: Now when you put them around, I mean, really describe this. Did you get, was it this size of paper?
SANDRA: Yeah. All sizes.
SID: And where did you put it?
SANDRA: I put it everywhere. First of all, on my mirror. I put it on the mirror in the bathroom and then I put it on the wall, in the kitchen, on the counters, everywhere. Some of them, most of them I would write, just handwritten. I’d make these big notes and I’d put them everywhere I go that I would see them along with a picture, with a picture of me smiling.
SID: Okay. I’m convinced you walk in miracles. But can anyone that is born again, that does what you did, walk in miracles?
SID: Tell me, in your congregation you have a healing center. You have a congregation. Tell me what’s going on with the people there?
SANDRA: You could not name anything that we have not seen God heal. You couldn’t. There’s no a disease you could name, Sid. I don’t care what it is.
SID: What about cancer?
SANDRA: Oh my goodness. It’s the top of the list.
SID: What do you mean the top?
SANDRA: I mean percentage-wise.
SID: Let’s get her out to Duke University or clinic quick.
SANDRA: Percentage-wise, we see more cancer and healings than anything else, percentage-wise. And we’ve seen, I mean, people come off, people with diabetes, people on kidney machines, heart, people waiting for heart transplants.
SANDRA: Nine people already that were brain dead. Plus, we’ve seen fingers grow, feet grow, new body parts. New body parts.
SID: You told me something that’s important. When you walk into someone that’s brain dead or in a coma, you speak to their spirit. Explain that.
SANDRA: Yeah. Well the Bible says that God is the Father of spirits. So you don’t let the flesh throw you. That’s just the house that you’re living in. So you don’t let the flesh call the shots. I mean, at your house that you live on whatever street you live on here, your house doesn’t tell you when it needs painting and what it needs doing. You are in charge of that house. I hope you’re listening. So spirit man, my spirit man lives inside of this body. This is my house. So if you were in a coma I would come in and talk to you as if you were not in a coma. I’d speak directly to the spirit man. I mean, no bars held. I mean, come right straight. I’d say, “Hello, Sid. How are you? And I want you to know I’ve come to tell you that Jesus is here to heal you. I will quote the Word to you. This is what he has already done.”
SID: What makes you think that I’m hearing this if I’m in a coma?
SANDRA: Because I know the spirit man. The Bible says that you and I are made in the image of God, and God is the Father of spirits, and we’re three parts: spirit, soul and body.
SID: What happens when weather comes to your church, hurricanes?
SANDRA: We speak to it. We speak to the elements. We take the same, everything I’m saying to you will work with the weather. It will work with your job. It will work with your marriage. It will work with your children. It will work in an economy that everything is falling apart. It will work if you take the Word. Again, process that Word until it becomes a reality to you. You got to get it out of your head. Get to your heart. You got to drop it out of hope. Get it down into faith. People come to God and hope. You got to move it to faith and you do that by meditating on the Word of God. Getting that word, thinking about it. What does this really mean. I would break the scriptures down. I would look at, He sent His word and heal me. What does that mean? And I would process it. By his stripes I AM healed.
SID: You have two minutes to pray for miracles like popcorn.
SID: For people that are watching right now.
SANDRA: Yes. In the name of Jesus, I tell you right now, all you have to do is remember you’re not trying to get Jesus to heal you. He has already done it. All I want you to do is to accept what he has done with your mouth. That’s how you release your faith. With your mouth, begin to say, thank you, Lord, that you have healed me. Forget about your body. Your body will catch up with your spirit. Let your spirit man rule the body. Don’t let the body rule the spirit. Begin to tell your body what your God has done for it and begin to speak to it in the name of Jesus. Thank you Lord that I’m healed in Jesus’ name. Thank you, Lord, for what are reestablishing in my body. Thank you that power of the blood is flowing through me. Thank you that by your stripes I am healed. I command in the name of Jesus like I did my lip to move, I command my knees to move, my arms to move, any part of my body in the name of Jesus. And then I begin to praise him, Sid. I praise him that he is not a man that he should lie, that he has done everything he said he would do. He did it more. He’ll do it for you. It will work for anybody for anything that you will take it and make God master and Lord over the situation.
SID: Well while you were speaking, the anointing is so strong on you, people with arthritis in your fingers where it hurts to bend your fingers, I command in Jesus’ name those fingers to operate the way God intended.
SID: You do that action now.
SID: And if your back aches, just bend over.
SID: Twenty seconds, pray for cancer, tumors.
SANDRA: Yes. I curse you in the name of Jesus. I mean, every tumor, I command you to shrink. I command you to die. I command you to fall off. I have seen them fall off. You fall off in the name of Jesus, and I life your body from the top of your head to the soles of your feet with word of the Lord that says that by his stripes you are healed.
SANDRA: And God says you are.
Sid: I got reacquainted with someone I knew a number of years ago Renny McLean. Just at the right time I believe it was a moment that God had ordained because I have in my hands his new book “Eternity Invading Time.” And if you really want to understand from Heaven’s perspective how to operate in Bible faith not rules and regulations but an understanding of this realm that God is in called eternity. Renny you’ve had heavenly visitations and I have to believe a lot of this is written in your book from a heavenly viewpoint.
Renny: Oh oh, totally totally is I mean you know when you have an encounter with the Lord your whole view of God changes you know. Anybody who’s had an encounter with God I can tell you you’re not judgmental. Because when you had an encounter with the Lord what you seen in His eyes is compassion. I mean He looks at you and knows everything about you and he’s not condemning you.
Sid: You know I’ve shared some personal things with Renny and actually I did it on the air this week but they’re personal prayers that I pray almost if not every single day of my life. And one is to walk in the compassion of the Messiah; I believe as you believe Renny before the Messiah returns there will be men and woman raised up that will walk in that type of compassion.
Renny: Oh, I believe that because the manifestation to the power of God’s glory is really and truly revealed through the love of God. And you know when it comes to the place where He’s loved becomes us you know my goodness nothing is impossible we’re walking in the realm with no limits.
Sid: Now when you say “Nothing is impossible” it’s one thing to someone for someone to parrot that expression but it’s another when what I see on what goes on in your various meetings even at a young age you saw dead people come to life. You’ve seen a number of dead people come to life, but tell me just kind of whet the appetite of some creative miracles. For instance, I read here in a meeting you had in Dallas there was a lady in a wheelchair who had a 5 inch pin in her leg.
Sid: And she had a great miracle; tell me about that.
Renny: Oh, what happened was we had been in the meetings for 3 nights while we were in 3 nights of meetings I clearly remember that was the night where wheelchairs were emptied. You know people were walking and deaf people were hearing; blind people and cancer were being healed. So faith was already high and you know when it’s already high I mean people can believe anything. And it was the night where people could literally believe anything; I just looked at this dear sister who had been coming to the meeting every night and she had a foot brace on and I said “Take it off.” And you know she obeyed me; she obeyed the Word of the Lord and she took it off and I clearly remember when she took it off she walked. We didn’t realize though the magnitude of the miracle we were just attracted because she could walk again and she was totally healed. Well the following week when she went to the doctor and came back to the church testify she said “Well I had one of the most interesting testimonies you’ve ever heard.” And she said “The doctors cannot find the pin that was in my leg;” it was 5 inches of tin or steel, or whatever they call it. When she went into the hospital and they had it examined all they saw was five inches of brand new bone.
Sid: And that should not be so strange when I read the Bible especially in light of the book that you’ve just written “Eternity Invading Time.” As you state in your book “Eternity God’s realm is drawing closer to our realm called time.”
Sid: I have to ask you a question through Renny “How do you personally view God, How should we view God?”
Renny: Okay I’ll tell you I love that question you asked me because this is where I think the church has to redefine what it talks about. Number 1 there’s a word I want to introduce to our believers and the it’s the word to conceptualize and it means nothing more than to teach us something in its original form. Now if we see God in natural terms God is out of context; if you see God in the supernatural than God is in context. The problem is we’re trying to make somebody supernatural; we’re trying to make Him natural and He’s not natural. And unfortunately in the west we really have done that down to a science. Isn’t it funny God probably saying “Don’t you find it funny the very definition of the word God means a supernatural being we want supernatural ability and He demands to be worshiped.”
Sid: And you know what in our Spirit filled charismatic churches…
Renny: Oh my goodness.
Sid: We’re not seeing the supernatural we’re hearing the talk about it.
Sid: But we’re not seeing the goods and people they go there long enough they learn literally unintentionally we’ve been discipled in unbelief.
Renny: Oh, you are preaching, you are preaching to the choir because I’m telling you Brother Sid I believe today I honestly believe today that when most of us preachers preach from the pulpit we honestly are ministering to educated unbelief. Because it’s unfortunate to say this but it the naked truth. If the truth be told this is what we’re dealing with; we have educated the unbelief of the believer to the degree that the unbelief of the unbeliever is now stronger than the actual faith in God. And so we have relegated God to a natural form to something that He isn’t; so God really and truly is out of context. That’s why it takes a revelation for you to operate in the miraculous; you can’t operate in the miraculous with common sense. See I’ve often said this Bother Sid see unbelief is the product of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; your unbelief reveals what tree you’re eating from because when you’re eating from the tree of life you’ve got nothing but faith; nothing but faith. And you got more sense to believe God than you have to doubt God. And you see I often say this “When reason is absent faith is present; when reason is absent God is now.” And even as I say now right now when reason, oh my God I just feel His… when I say reason is absent faith is present that means the miraculous is possible here and now. Everybody listening to this broadcast or this radio interview; everybody right now I’m saying to you right now “All things are possible to you right now as you stop trying to reason how God’s going to do a thing if you just let Him do it.” Oh my goodness gracious me you’ll find He’ll do it in more ways than one. I’m telling you the miraculous power of God is present right about now; because when you’re heads out of the way God will start to move. The most brilliant mind of our time was a man call Einstein. It was said that he used 12% of his brain 12%. And they say that we today use 8%, don’t you find it strange brother Sid that all of modern discovery that we know of today; the greatest inventions that have come about in the last 100 years. And don’t you find it strange that it’s come about with 8% knowledge. Can you imagine if we have 8% use of our minds today can you then imagine what Adam had before he sinned? We are practically retarded in comparison to what Adam was; so today Adam’s legacy to us today is unbelief, fear and doubt. But Jesus Christ Yeshua died on the cross and really and truly opened back that realm to us; the realm where there is no time.
Sid: You know one of the hottest things in secular radio are talk shows. Can you imagine if a man or a woman of God moves in this realm proclaiming the true gospel no mixture but the true gospel it’ll be the hottest talk show in America; in the world.
Renny: Oh, I believe it, I believe it but you see Sid it’s what you said to me earlier we have a seeker friendly church. And what’s happened today is this if you look on television today and you listen to a lot of radio broadcast right now do you not notice how the world wants the supernatural that’s why the psychic phenomena in America is so big. The reason why it’s so big is because the church rejected the ministry of the prophet and that’s why the counterfeit took off so big and made a huge killing off of it. So if the false prophet can generate that kind of income and keep his kingdom going my goodness what would the ministry of the prophet do in the church today?
Sid: Answer this question, why is it that the biggest Spirit Filled churches in the land most of the pastors have tight control and do not want change?
Renny: The reason being because I would say their scared of God showing up; because we don’t have a problem that we’re defining God in what God means we have a problem when He shows up. Because when God shows up He shows out; and I’m telling you that when God shows up He exposes everything. So the secret of it is that we got to just let go and let God. And that’s such an easy catch phrase to use. That is so real to let go and let God because until we let go; until we let go God doesn’t manifest Himself. And if the truth be told we really and truly is I’d say you know it’s a hard statement to say like this but I just got to say the truth. It really boils down to a control issue; that’s really what… you know Sid that’s really what it boils down to. It boils down to a control issue so the question is “Is Jesus Lord of the Church or is the Pastor?” That’s really what it boils down to.
Sid: You know that your speaking truth right now Renny but the presence of God is so strong now right I believe that and we’re just about out of time, but I believe anything could happen. I see ears popping; if your ears are popping and you hear better guess what’s just happened, you’ve just been healed. But you know on tomorrow’s broadcast by faith we’re going to get Marina on that’s Renny’s wife and her ministry is worship. And Renny what happens when someone is truly worshiping God?
Renny: Oh, when somebody’s truly worshiping God you become in harmony with God and when you become one with God through your worship cancer dissolves.
Sid: Okay mishpochah consider yourself challenged. I want you to understand this thing called life in this temporary period called time from eternity’s viewpoint God’s realm. Don’t miss the next move of God’s Spirit there is such truth in this book that so few Christians understand.