Sid: Recently I was watching TBN television. I saw my guest he was a guest on TBN and his name is George Otis, Jr. He is the Head of the Centennial Group in Lynwood, Washington I have him on the telephone. And one of the things that fascinated me is he was talking about cities that had transformations, not just a little revival in a church where people were being touched by God’s Spirit, but where the entire cites were being transformed. And he made the statement “This transformation you don’t see long term in the United States but yet you see it in other areas of the world.” And the thing that intrigued me was the question: Why don’t we see these transformations in the United States? George Otis, Jr. why don’t we?
George: Well, there 7 obstacles that we have identified to transforming revival that are particularly evident in western society and culture. It would probably take more time than we have to go through all of them but some of these things will not come as surprises to your listeners. One of the obstacles is theological misperceptions. We assume that revival is just something that comes as part of the arbitrary fiat of God. God decides at some time for reasons known only to Himself that He is going to visit a particular people or community.
Sid: As my wife’s grandmother used to say “God works in mysterious ways.”
George: Yeah and certainly we can’t fathom all of God’s reasoning so I’m certainly not suggesting that we can understand all of the mind of God. But when it comes to preparing the way of the Lord which is something we’re instructed to do in scripture repeatedly we’re not left to scratch our heads wondering how to get started because God has laid it out very very clearly for us in places like Isaiah 58; 2nd Chronicles 7 chapter 7 and in numerous other passages. There’s a collection of principals and instructions and revelations into the heart of God. And if we will respond to these things and will invite the Lord to come after we have done what He has told us to do preparatory wise then He will come into our community. So that’s one of the things is what is our role and what is God’s role. We’re also seeing problems with misplaced motives where people pray and ask God to come but only for the purpose of alleviating pressure and misery and solving various problems that they have. Now we should hasten to say that God is really interested in doing those kinds of things and in the cases we’ve documented around the world they’re absolutely stunning in example of the power of God fixing people’s broken environments and lives. But that’s not openly why we call upon the Lord to come. We call upon Him for Himself; we’re calling upon a lover and not a handyman. So that’s another thing that I think that has caused us to not see transforming revival in the west. Also, we have the infatuation and a preoccupation with programs. And we want to stage manage the Kings appearance and I think God has shown that He’s very resistant to that. We’re sure that God is going to come into our community He’s going to come in a certain way and at a certain time we try to create the right ambience for His arrival and roll out the red carpet and get the lighting just right and hire musicians. And at just the right moment horns are blasting He tends to make His entrance through an unlit emergency exist.
George: That’s how he entered our world in Bethlehem and that’s how He does that today. And it’s not just to get away from our pretense it’s also that entrance through that emergency exist is the perfect entrance into that community. And if we knew all that God knew about the community we would have been there to celebrate the perfect entrance. And then there’s lack of appetite or lack of hunger. We are willing to pray for revival or ask God to come, but only generally in time slots that have already been set aside for religious observance and that’s not enough. And one of the things that I noticed as a major difference between western believers and the believers in other countries that are actually seeing God come in full measure is that they have abandoned themselves to the process of preparing the way of the Lord. And we have stopped somewhere short of that. We would like Him to come but we would like Him to come at a convenient time and in a comfortable manner. So that’s why we’re still looking at the testimonies that are coming from other parts of the earth.
Sid: And you know a thoughts crossing my mind George, we have a phenomena that you’re aware of in the United States of probably the fastest moving growing churches are what are known as seeker sensitive. Isn’t this almost the opposite of hunger?
George: It is, and a lot of people don’t see it as that but that is exactly what it is. You know a good friend of mine said recently we’ve got a big problem in the western world right now were giving global church growing staffs down and that’s very true. We get absolutely all worked up over a single local church whose membership doubles at a given year and we think “Man can it get any better than this?” Well, the short answer is “Yes, it can get a lot better and in most of the other areas in the world it is.” And it’s been said “That life is filled with many tempting parking places and we in the western world seem to find all of them” and we luxuriate in our small victories and don’t realize that God has so much more in mind.
Sid: Well, as you say we luxuriate in our small victories at church forget a couple hundred. Let’s suppose a church grows to 3-4,000 we get all excited. But I see the statistics of what’s going on with Islam and they wouldn’t get excited if they had 2000 people in mosque. They want to take over an entire city.
George: Exactly right, exactly right. Sid I think that one of the things that we ought to remind ourselves of is that huge results are occurring in our world today and even in our society that are the handiwork of a relatively small group of people. And in the Islamic world you’ve got a revelry small group of real hard core fundamentalist operatives that are controlling the huge circumstances. And in our culture today the same thing is happening with the homosexual lobby. Which is a relatively small percentage of our population but these folks are incredibly persevering and gifted at changing the way that millions of people think about what is okay and what is not okay.
Sid: I have to believe they’re not just brilliant, although they’re hard workers. I have to believe both in Islam and homosexuality these lobbies have people in the invisible world that are helping them.
George: For sure there is no question about it. When you read in Ephesians chapter 6 about principalities and powers, when you’re talking about principalities you are talking about demonic powers in potentate have human spiriters working with them. And you find the King of Tyre operated in this role, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon operated in this role and many others did in scripture and we do today where we find… Adolph Hitler was another co-conspirator with the demonic power.
Sid: So how are we going to get a human coconspirator with the powers of God to overcome because we know He that is within us is greater than him that’s in the world. So what are we believers waiting for?
George: Well, here’s… you’ve touched on something that I think is a very important point here. There are a number of people that we met with over the last several years who have seen these transformations videos and been inspired and said “We want to see that kind of fruit, those kind of results where we live in our back yard, how can we do it?” And they immediately tend to go out and try to do unity and they call a meeting of all of the believing people in the community to come together and they’ll talk about what they’re going to do and everybody’s excited the meetings full if for no other reason than professional courtesy everybody comes to an initial meeting. But when we hear from these people again it maybe 6 months or 9 months down the road and they’re bemoaning the fact that now in these planning meetings they called there’s a lot of empty chairs. I try to explain to them that God is not fixated or focused on the chairs that are empty He’s focused on the chairs that are filled He’s brought you there. But we get this idea in our head that if this key player, this pastor of this big church is not involved in our program then how are we going to get there? How are we going to see transforming revival take place in our community? And the good news is this, that God almost never works with the majority or with critical math.
Sid: That’s good news but we’re out of time right now.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him at his home right outside of Los Angeles, California is Hal Lindsey. He doesn’t need any other type of description because everyone listening has heard of him. Has either heard about his books or read his books and Hal why at this moment did you feel it imperative to put together the best teaching you could about end time events on this video that were offering “Evidence of the End-time?”
Hal: Well it really grew out of the program I do on TBN called “The International Intelligence Briefing.” I just became overwhelmed with how rapidly things were fitting into that exact predicted scenario of events that would come together before the return of Christ. I saw them fitting their expediently and so I just felt compelled to put something out that would put it all together and show people how close we really must be to the coming of Christ.
Sid: Now on yesterday’s broadcast where we ran out of time I stated that you made a public prediction that in this is back in ’91.
Sid: That you saw “The world of Islam would become the most dangerous system to world peace.” And I had the question posed you “How did you see it I mean anyone could see it today just pick up any newspaper but how did you see it in ’91?”
Hal: Well, when the Soviet Union disintegrating I was intensely restudying prophecy. And the Holy Spirit just really highlighted something that was there all the time and I should have seen it. And that is what an enormous role that the descendents of Ishmael and Esau were going to play in the final events of world history before Christ returns. In fact they would be the catalyst according to prophecy that would start the last war called “The War of Armageddon” And so as I looked I saw with the fall of the Shah in Iran and the tremendous changes that took place towards Islamic fundamentalism in Iran how that was triggering a great revival of Islamic fundamentalism. And then I just had to say that the Holy Spirit fit it together for me and prompted me to write an Intelligence Review called “Islam the World’s Greatest Threat.” And I wrote that in 1991 and I could just see that it was clear in prophesy that they were going to be a global threat and that it was coming rapidly.
Sid: Now Hal I have personally by studying your literature and videos etcetera I’ve seen where you have hit home runs based on your knowledge of scripture as to what’s going to happen. Out of curiosity have you ever had egg on your face, have you ever really missed it big time on prophesy?
Hal: Ah, there is one time when I wrote “The Late Great Planet Earth.” That was in 1969 where I said “If this is the time that I think it is and if a generation is 40 years and if it began with the founding of Israel Christ could come as early as 1988.” Now there was a lot of ifs and coulds and so forth and been there but that’s the closest I’ve come to really having egg on my face.
Sid: Now if you were to make that statement again and change the year what year would your put in there?
Hal: You know I wouldn’t put a year.
Sid: Oh! (Laughing)
Hal: I will say this you know Jesus said after He gave many prophesies and answers to his apostles’ question “What would be the time of His coming; what would be sign of His coming and the end of the age?” When He gave all of these predictions He stepped back and He gave an application, “Now learn the sign of the fig tree or learn the parable of the fig tree when the limbs first become tender and put forth leaves you know that summer is there.” So in a parable there’s one basic point and it’s very obvious what’s His point was in that parable that “When the first leaf appear on the fig tree you know that the general time of summer is there.” Then He applies that He says “Even so when you see all of these things” referring to the signs of prophecy about the end times when you see all of them not just a few but all of them coming up in concert He said “Recognize(and that is a command) I Am at the door. And then He applies it he says “Truly I say to you this generation (The one that sees all of the signs coming together) will not pass away until all of these things are fulfilled.” Well, I believe that we are that generation and that we are deep into that generation. So and then He said “But of the day and hour no one knows.” Well He commands us to know the general time but He says we cannot know the specific time, the day or the hour. And so I believe that we’re right in the middle of the general time and Christ could come at any minute.
Sid: Okay, you were right on the button in your prediction on Islam what does the Bible say will happen to the Arabs?
Hal: Well, the warnings are horrific and there will be some that will somehow come to true faith in the midst of this. But Ezekiel chapters 36 – 39 (which is really one message) predicts and warns all of the descendants of Ishmael and Esau that you’re generally called Edom it’s a collective word to describe all of them in the last days. It’s a warning to them that God is going to judge them severely because they usurped His land and that they sought to keep it away from His people when he predicts that they are going to come to that power.
Sid: Well, I do know that you have a dog now.
Hal: I’m sorry, he’s very excited.
Sid: Oh, it’s okay. I want you to give a little teaching right now from Psalm 83. Would you explain what some of these nations are that are mentioned here and what that says verse 3 to 7 Psalm 83?
Hal: Now this is a prophecy that’s really amazing because it does hit right on the issue of this thing. It says “They made shrewd plans against thy people and conspired together against thy treasured ones; they’ve said “Come and let us wipe them out as a nation that the name of Israel be remembered no more.” That could have been at the latest meeting in Jakar (Laughing) in the Southeast Asia where the Muslims got together it could be radio Damascus today. But it says in verse 5 “But they have conspired together with one mind against Thee do they make a covenant; the tents of Edom (which is the descendants of Esau) and the Ishmaelite (which all of these together are the Arabs) Moab and the Hagrites, Gebal and Ammon and Amalek these are…Philistia with the inhabitance of Tyre.” all of these today are the nations that surround the reborn State of Israel. Then He says “Assyria (which is Syria) also has joined with them, they have become a help to the children of Lot.” The children of Lot again were today the kingdom Jordan. So it talks about the fact that in the last days these would confederate together and their joint reason for confederating together is to destroy the people of the nation of Israel.
Sid: Tell me what your read is on Syria?
Hal: You know I have had this sense of something that’s coming there. That’s in Isaiah chapter 17 verse 1. Syria has been the greatest sponsor of terrorists to hit Israel of any other nation of the world. And you name it they’ve got the base for these terrorist organizations in Syria.
Sid: So the US should be as offended with Syria as Israel is!
Hal: Oh absolutely, and my concern is that with the latest movements going on there the United States has already accused Syria because the terrorists are coming across the Syrian border into Iraq to attack our troops. But Syria also has a number of missiles and they have an extensive biological chemical warfare array of weapons. If things get out of hand there and Syria launches a missile at Israel…
Sid: Which by the way I unfortunately see a scenario like that.
Hal: I do too because you know Israel hit North of Damascus and the planes hit and left before they even knew they were there and this really angered the Syrians. But if something like that happens again they may launch a weapon at Israel. And if they launch a weapon of mass destruction like chemical or biological warfare on them they’ll hit Damascus. In Isaiah chapter 17 verse 1 says that Damascus will cease from being a city, it will be obliterated.” Well Damascus is the longest, continuously inhabited city on earth and it’s never been destroyed.
Sid: So what will the European Union and the United Nations have to say if Israel in retaliation nukes Syria?
Hal: Oh my I mean it will be a… repercussions will be enormous but…
Sid: You know I asked you earlier what you see happening next?
Sid: That’s what I see happening next.
Hal: Yeah, because the destruction of Damascus is not related to the War of Armageddon, it seems to be an event that takes place in the end times but independently.
Sid: Alright Saudi Arabia our good friends, what’s your spin there?
Hal: You know I just saw one of the intelligence sites yesterday that I use all of the time Debka Debka File it’s called they’re usually right. They announced that Pakistan has signed an agreement with Saudi Arabia where they’re going to put nuclear tip missiles in Saudi Arabia.
Sid: Oh E Vey! Look hold that thought we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: My guest is Dr. James Richards I’m interviewing on his book “How to Stop the Pain.” I’ll tell you something if there’s ever been a book that every one of my listeners must “MUST read and MUST practice” it’s this one “How to Stop the Pain.” What he says is subtitle is “Pain is Evitable,” welcome to the human race. But suffering is optional and this will bring the walls down between you and your children, this will bring the walls down between you and your wife, or you and your husband. This will bring the walls down between you and other people. Now James you have to help me out because I’m still struggling with something here in the concepts we’re talking about. Okay I see what the Bible says about homosexuality.
Jim: Um, hm.
Sid: And I see what the Bible says about gossip, I see what the Bible says about New Age, or pornography, or abortion or sins along these lines. How do I proclaim these things and then meet people that are involved in these sins and not judge them?
Jim: Again its way easier than we have believed. You know when I meet a person that’s in pornography I know that he’s in pornography, I know that’s sin. But here’s what I don’t know I don’t know why he’s a pornographer. And unfortunately when we jump to judgment we start saying “This is why you’re a pornographer you’re an evil corrupt person.” The truth is this maybe somebody that was molested as a child you know, this may be somebody that was brought into this corrupt arena. We don’t know how they got there and usually when we go to judgment it’s usually a self-righteous judgment. For example, you know many times when somebody comes to me and they’re having a problem with immorality, say a young woman comes in for counseling and she is struggling with immorality you know the most common thing to do is say “Okay what the root of your problems is immorality.” Well then I’ve just assumed to know why she’s immoral, the truth is that may not be the root of her problem. As a matter of fact I found that the presenting problem is never the root problem.
Sid: That the symptom.
Jim: That’s just the symptom so what I may discover is when this girl was living at home that her father was molesting her and when he would molest her he would say he would tell her that he loved her. And so she develops this belief as a child that the only way that she can be loved is to be sexually involved. And so she gets older and she has shame and disgrace about all of this immorality yet she has a deep deep need to be loved. And so every time the need to be loved comes up the only association she has with love is that molestation. So she’s pursuing love but something because her beliefs about love drives her back into immorality. Now see if I go to her with a judgment and just assume that you’re immoral because you’re an immoral person, then all I’ve really done is… You know I declared my judgment and you know the next thing that follows judgment is the penalty I think they ought to get. So I treated her according to the penalty that my judgment says that she deserves. But the incredible thing I’ve found you know I work with prostitutes, I work with drug addicts, I work with homosexuals and here’s an incredible thing I’ve found. I can sit down and talk to somebody about their sin and if I don’t judge them if I acknowledge it yes this is sin and how I feel about this it’s amazing how quickly people will feel safe and begin to open up and get the help.
Sid: But just to say this is sin doesn’t the person take that as judgment?
Jim: No, they really don’t it’s an amazing thing you know Christians tend to have this really false idea. Number 1 they think that if we are kind to someone in sin we think that they will believe we are condoning their sin. And so out of that we think that we got to attack their sin. They know they’re in sin they know that what they’re doing is destructive. When I sit down with them in a loving way and let them know how much God loves them and cares about them, wants to help them. And that in fact that this thing that their involved in this thing that they’re doing is what’s bringing the pain in their life and I say you know “Talk to me about how you got here.” And they will lead me to the root of how they got here and then I get to help them. I get to introduce them to the Jesus that can solve that problem and heal that hurt.
Sid: Now that’s not the way it’s normally done from the pulpit.
Sid: Or done in churches by Christians. Why?
Jim: You know I believe that there’s a tendency I know in my own part I can’t speak for other people but I believe when I was a young preacher there was a tendency to really not believe that God’s Spirit could work in somebody and get them to where they needed to go. In other words I trusted my manipulation more than I trusted God’s Spirit.
Sid: In other words God need your help.
Jim: Yeah, I got to make this person feel guilty and you know I got to make sure they see their sins. As a matter of fact you know we’re taught you know when I first got born again you know I was taught you got to get a person lost before you can get them saved. Well, you know that’s really not true the good news isn’t you’re a dirty rotten scum and God is good enough to able to tolerate your rotten self. The good news is that Jesus has died for you and that God loves you and He accepts you and if you’ll come to Him just as you are if you’ll come to Him He’ll empower you and help you to come out of that lifestyle.
Sid: Jim you touched on something in a previous broadcast that’s very important to me. As I read the New Testament about healing the thing that jumps out at me about Jesus is His compassion.
Jim: Oh yeah.
Sid: And it was the way I see it my spin is if you will, it was His compassion that released the power of healing into these people and you said judgment will make you not have compassion for people speak to that.
Jim: You know many times people would come to me when even I was young in the ministry and I’d have somebody sitting before me and you know maybe they had gone through some kind of a pain and I’d look back at my life and I’d think okay you know I was living on the streets you know before I was 14 years old.
Jim: And you know I slept in cardboard boxes and I’ve stolen to eat and even as a young boy before I got saved prostituted myself literally just to have a roof over my head. And I’ve got somebody sitting there telling me about you know some great pain in their life and I passed this judgment…
Sid: And this pain is nothing compared to what you’ve gone through.
Jim: I passed this judgment about why this is hurting him so bad my judgment is “This is nothing the reason is anything to you is because you’re a big self centered baby.”
Jim: And I tell you I actually left the ministry for a year. I had a lot of physical problems happening I had a lot of things going on in my life at the time but the honest truth I left the ministry for a year was because I realized that I didn’t have compassion for people and I knew that if you don’t have compassion for people you’re not fit to be in the ministry.
Sid: So how did you change that?
Jim: Well number one when I backed out of the situation and I would start looking around here’s what I discovered I discovered that… You know I literally had a woman come to me when she was a child she didn’t get a Barbie Doll for Christmas. It affected her dramatically and she had great depression and she started questioning the love of her parents. You know I’m sitting there thinking “You know I had 2 Christmas’ that my brother and sister got gifts and I didn’t get anything not one thing.” And you know I’m sitting there thinking “Don’t tell me about not getting a Barbie Doll for Christmas.” But here’s what I came to realize it is not how monumental the harm that was done to you, it was the judgment you passed about it that determined how much pain it would bring into your life. You know when my stepfather stabbed me there was nothing to figure out he hated me, I hated him. He wanted me dead I actually tried to shoot him I pulled my gun on him and pulled the trigger and got a misfire or I might have been in prison today because I killed my stepfather. Well you know I didn’t pass a lot of judgment about that it was pretty open. As a matter of fact open rejection is easy to deal with but let’s say you grow up in a pretty normal family and you’re a young child and you’ve got your hopes really set on something and it doesn’t happen. You start saying “This is why my parents didn’t do this they don’t love me.” And the truth is that woman that didn’t get a Barbie Doll when she was 8, honestly based on the judgments that she passed could bring more pain in her life than me getting stabbed in my sleep.
Sid: Hm. So it’s not how bad the offense is.
Jim: That’s right.
Sid: It’s what you make out of it.
Jim: That’s exactly right. So that brought compassion back to me because I realized that people that had been through much less than I’d been through could actually be hurting much worse. And if I could free them from their judgments not just not just get them to forgive the people in their past but get them to release those people from their judgments. That that pain would no longer have any power their life.
Sid: You must talk to people that have been free as a result of your teaching and you know some people don’t know what it’s like to be free. But my understanding is that Jesus came to set up free not to just allow us to exist.
Jim: That’s right He didn’t come just to end sin He came to end the affects of sin. He came to end the affects of this painful dysfunctional life that we’ve had…
Sid: Do many people judge themselves?
Jim: Oh yes! As a matter-of-fact that’s the number one cause of physical sickness. As related to judgment self judgment is the number one cause of physical sickness.
Sid: Give me an example that might come to mind.
Jim: Okay for example I had a friend not too long ago die of cancer. He was a pastor who had committed immorality and all of the way to his deathbed he believed that his cancer was the judgment of God against his sin. Now when we form a judgment and we can talk about this on tomorrows program when we form a judgment everything in our body goes to work to make that judgment become real.
Sid: Physiologically this is true.
Jim: Yes every cell in your body because it has intelligence, every single cell in your body works to bring about what you believe to be true.
Sid: Oh, we’re out of time.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Warren Marcus. Warren is a Jewish believer in the Messiah like myself and he’s senior producer here at It’s Supernatural. And Warren and I had the high privilege to witness before our very eyes what I consider is the greatest miracle in modern day Israel’s history. I mean, I still, Warren, I still am having difficulty believing what we saw. But you’re going to see footage on this. Let me tell you how it happened. I get a phone call one day from a friend of mine in Israel. He said, “Sid, I want to bless you and your wife. I want to pay all expenses. You can go to Israel. I’ll cover everything, hotel, foods, everything. Just a vacation.” And I said, “Well thank you, but I don’t want to take a vacation.” I know it sounds meshuga, crazy. But that’s what I said, I don’t want to take a vacation. But then I had the thought. I had recently been to Israel and we had a hugely successful evangelistic meeting with 250 unsaved Jewish people, of which the majority stood up and made professions of faith. So I called my friend that set up that meeting and I said, “I have an opportunity to come to Israel. Would you set up another meeting?” He says, “Oh of course.” I said, “About how many unsaved Jewish people do you think would come?” He said, 500. And I said “Sold.” Then I called my friend and the next thing I know my wife, myself and my producer, and a few other people are on a plane going to Israel. So we went to a city that most people haven’t heard of. It’s called Ashdod It’s actually a city that is 100 percent Jewish. And you may know that city Ashdod, because, Warren, what is it famous for? The rockets.
WARREN: The rockets and the missiles that were being sent right from Gaza, most of them hit into that area, Ashkelon and Ashdod. And but the miracles of it is that though those hundreds of rockets were being fired, they were missing the mark. They were being sent sideways. They only hit a few things, but it didn’t hurt anyone. And so that’s the amazing miracle. But in the midst of that is where we had our first meetings.
SID: And you know what I believe? I believe that the devil kind of knew something is up and he was trying to destroy that city before the great evangelism that happened there. Well we had a couple of meetings before the main meeting. And the first meeting that we had was about 150 unsaved Jewish people. And the instructions that I had were I could say anything I want, but I can’t give an altar call, an invitation. Now you have to know that this bothers me a lot. However, Warren, even though they gave me permission to say anything I wanted. What did you think?
WARREN: I thought it was incredible because you just, what you did was you told your testimony and you told them the prayer you prayed, and how you called out to Yeshua, Jesus, and you were able to repeat to them exactly, when you go home…
SID: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought. I want you to see it because I can’t even believe I had such chutzpah, that’s nerve. Let’s take a look at it.
SID: You could be a drug addict right now.
SID: And God will instantly set you free.
SID: No one else will set you free.
SID: No one else loves you like God.
SID: And if you’ve never heard it before…
SID: God loves you.
SID: But remember
SID: When you go to bed
SID: You say, Yeshua, let me hear, Yeshua
SID: Forgive me of my sins
SID: And come live inside of me. I make you my meshiach and Lord.
SID: Use your own words.
SID: But speak from your heart.
SID: That’s what God wants.
SID: Then it was a doubleheader. After that meeting, I mean, no time in between, we have another meeting. And the second meeting was an impartation meeting. And I’m going to tell you something, there’s something new going on in Israel. There was fire coming out of me. We had Ladonna Taylor play the violin and then I prayed for leaders in Israel. Take a look at this.
SID: Yeshua, Yeshua, Yeshua.
SID: There is something so special going on in Israel today. The orthodox Jews are crying out, Messiah is coming soon. This Rabbi Kadur, he’s one of the best-known traditional rabbis in modern day Israel’s history. Three hundred thousand people turned out to his funeral. And said before he died, “I’ve met the Messiah and I will have his name revealed one year after I die.” One year after he died passed, and on his computer it said, “Yeshua, Jesus is the Messiah.” Think. It’s outrageous. Warren, you were walking towards the Western Wall. You bumped into a rabbi for directions.
WARREN: Yeah, an orthodox rabbi, Sid. Now you have to understand, I told him I’m Jewish and I’m looking for the Western Wall, I want to pray there, and I don’t know where to find it. I don’t know how. He said, follow me. He was very nice. He’s been there 45 years teaching Torah, studying Torah. He said — You know, I said to him, “There’s problems, I see. I can’t go my normal route. There are Israelis solders standing there and they’re blocking the way.” And he says, “Oh, that’s going on.” He says, “It’s just prophecy.”
Rabbi: It’s only prophecy.
WARREN: He’s talking prophecy? So I’m thinking, what prophecy did he mean? So I said, “What prophecy are you talking about?”
Rabbi: Like in Joel, chapter 3, “All the nations of the world have turned against Israel, including America.”
WARREN: He puts his finger towards me. And I said, wow. And then I thought, what can I say to him next? I said, I wonder what he thinks about Messiah. So I said, “When do you think Messiah is going to come? What about Messiah? What do you believe about that?” And he goes…
Rabbi: [Hebrew] No one can know the hour or the day, but he is coming soon.
SID: Are you sure you weren’t talking to an angel?
WARREN: I thought it was, that’s what Christians used to say when they were…Messianic speculation. Here’s a rabbi, an orthodox rabbi, Sid, that said that. But here’s the other thing. I went into these different shops. I saw these paintings and I thought a Christian painted it. It was the Temple, and we have a picture of it. I took it with an I-Phone. It’s a temple coming down from Heaven in the Glory with Jewish people at the Western Wall pointing up like in amazement at what is happening. It wasn’t man building the temple. It was coming down. And I said, “Is this a Christian that’s doing this? I see these in several shops.” He says, “No, these are Jewish artists that are just painting these.”
SID: They’re prophetic. They’re painting this new Jerusalem coming down. You want to see something prophetic? When we come back, you are going to see something that’s never happened in modern day Israel’s history.
SID: The most terrifying words my guest Carlos heard in Heaven is that he was not ready. After thinking about this, pondering and taking time, why were you not ready?
CARLOS: So I come out of this encounter and I find myself back in my physical body. I’m on the floor weeping, totally distraught and disturbed by the encounter. And those words haunted me, Sid, for two hours. I lay there weeping, saying, haunted by those words, “No we’re not ready, no we’re not ready.” So I asked the Lord, “Well why am I not ready?” Was I talking about myself, the ministry, my family, the church in general? And after two hours I heard the Holy Spirit say this to me, he said, “Son, if I took you home right now, you are ready to meet me for eternity.” And he said this: “But in the condition that your heart is in right now, you are not ready for the next great move of the Holy Spirit.”
SID: But wait a second now. Did you see miracles in your congregation?
SID: Did you see people coming to know the Messiah?
SID: Were you growing?
SID: Did you have financial problems?
CARLOS: Not at all.
SID: And he wasn’t ready. And so here’s what the Lord began to reveal to my heart. He began to reveal to my heart that I had become a professional minister. In other words, I had become, grown so comfortable in my calling that the ministry was routine. I mean, you can get up behind a platform. And you know, my heart was still for the Lord. Don’t get me wrong. I still love the Lord. But in other words, my heart was no longer on the edge, a prophetic edge. And the Holy Spirit began to reveal to me, he said, “Son, you’ve left your first love.” He reminded me of the Church of Ephesus. Remember Revelation 2, where the Spirit of the Lord rebuked the church for leaving her first love. Although they had great ministry, they had great doctrine, great miracles, but they left their first love. And the Spirit of God began to reveal to me, “Son, because you left your first love, therefore, there’s a lack of humility.” And the lack of humility, which I believe is a major component that we have to have restored in the preachers of America, the preachers of the Western church, the preachers in the Body of Christ, so because the true spirit of humility is a pure dependence upon God where there is no glory for man.
SID: I like that.
CARLOS: There is no glory for the church, a specific local church. There is no glory for the ministry. But He gets all the glory. And the true spirit of humility is that what John the Baptist said: “I must decrease, but he must increase.” And so I really believe this is an area that the Spirit of God is honing in on so that the church can understand if we truly are humble, He will exalt this. And there’s many that are watching right now by television that the Holy Spirit, I saw earlier the Spirit of God almost like take His hand and turn a spigot and I saw fresh release of affections. I saw a fresh release of love. And those of you that are watching me now, just be sensitive and ask the Lord, say, “Lord, would you please open up the portal of my heart. Open up the portal of my soul,” because the Lord wants to download love and affection. He wants you to feel how much He feels about you. And the reason why many of us are stuck, we’re not progressive, we don’t feel the presence of the Lord or we’re not happy, I mean some of the saddest Christians are Christians who are bored, and they’re bored because fully realize how God feels about them. And so for those of you that are watching right now, in Jesus’ name, receive that fresh turning of the affections of God for your life even right now in Jesus’ name. And so I just felt from the Lord that the Spirit of God was asking me to focus on two things: Son, become more dependent on me, seek my face, and the number two, turn to your first love.
SID: You know what I’m reminded of and I’d like to have your reaction to this, our country is so wonderful. You don’t have to believe God to be physically healed. You got to the best doctors in the world. That’s what our medical system is. You have money to buy anything you want. You have media, you have Internet, you have TV, you have entertainment, you have sports. You’re busy, busy, busy, busy.
SID: I wrote a book many years ago from a song. The song was, “There Must Be Something More,” because I work, eat, sleep, and that’s the way it goes.
SID: Because I work, eat, sleep and that’s the way it goes. There must be something more. Carlos, you have started a 7-day a week, 24-hour prayer meeting in Orlando. A lot of people when they hear things like that, they say, I am so glad. You were called to pray. I’m not. I mean, I’ll pray my prayers in the morning for a couple of minutes, but that’s your thing, not my thing. What would you say to them?
CARLOS: I would say to them that the Bible is very, very clear. Every one of us are both kings and priests. And a king minsters on behalf of the King of all kings. But a priest ministers to the King, to the Priest of all priests. So I would say that we must return back to ministering faithfully at the altar.
SID: Like King David.
CARLOS: Like King David. The altar of prayer and the altar of worship. The altar of His presence, to be faithful at that. That’s what, you mentioned King David. He was the most successful Jewish king. Why? Because David understood, if I can have the Glory, if I can have the presence, if I can make sure that He’s being ministered to, day and night, night and day, I’m assured of the victory in my God’s presence. And that’s the missing link, I believe. We may have great churches, great ministers with the power and the Glory of God. I don’t knock that. I’m for that. But we need to see that resort to the individual believer, not just to a service, not just to a conference, not just to a seminar, not just to an outreach. We need to have every believer understand, wait a second, it’s not the pastor, it’s not just the evangelist. I’m called as an individual to return back to minister to the Lord. And that’s what I believe the Lord is saying. Return back to your first love. The greatest commandment is not a suggestion. It’s a commandment: Thou shalt the Lord thy God with all thy heart, mind, soul and strength. And when you look at the Bible, Genesis to Revelation, it’s about one thing, Sid. Ready? It’s about a wedding.
SID: A wedding.
CARLOS: It’s a wedding. In other words—
SID: To be candid with you, I know what he’s saying. But I have never really thought about it. Did you hear what he said, from Genesis to Revelation, it’s about a wedding. Explain.
CARLOS: History began in Genesis, Chapter 1, 2 and 3 with Adam and Eve. What’s that about? Man and woman becoming one. That’s a wedding. First miracle of Jesus of his ministry, where? John, Chapter 2 at the wedding of Cana in Galilee. And then one of the greatest apostles, if not the greatest apostle, was Paul, and he has his revelation of the mystery. Do you know about the mystery, the Jew and gentile becoming one. But he takes it further and the Lord reveals to him, this mystery he’s talking about is the heart of God, the plan of God having to pass for all of eternity, which is what? God and man becoming one. And he uses the picture of a husband and a wife. He says, “I speak to you a mystery when I’m speaking concerning Christ and the church.” And then we Revelation, Chapter 22 in Verse 17, one of the last statements the Spirit of God says about the End Times is this: “And the spirit and the bride, they come.” I believe the greatest identity that’s about to be released to the Body of Christ, we know what it is to be a child of God, we know what it is to be a son of God and many of us know what it is to be a friend of God. But the greatest revelation and the greatest identity, the most intimate relationship on Earth is that between a man and a woman, a husband and a wife. And the Spirit of God is releasing this revelation that Christ is the bridegroom and the church is the bride.
SID: You know, I’m reminded of another way. At this particular wedding, the very first miracle the Messiah of Israel demonstrated, he turned water into wine, the wedding at Cana. And this is what his mother Miriam said: “Whatever he says, do it.” That’s what Carlos is talking about. That’s what Carlos heard from Heaven. But you don’t do what he said if you’re not reading His Word. You don’t have a revelation of what he said, if you’re not praying, you don’t know anything if you don’t have intimacy with God. If there has ever been a time that you must have your own intimacy with God, someone can’t do it for you. You’ve been lied to. You must have your own intimacy with God. Believe the Messiah of Israel died for your sins. Believe that his blood, the Pasach blood, the Passover blood, washed your sins away. Believe that you are clean and he lives inside of you and is your Lord, and start doing whatever he says. Do it!
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Dr. Ray Strand, and Dr. Strand is a practicing MD that has now because of what he has learned has actually stopped practicing the medicine but doing mostly lectures and speaking on this subject. He has two books that I just can’t say enough about how important it is for you to read these two books. One is called “Death By Prescription.” Did you know that the 3rd leading cause of death in America is medicine? And also his second book is called “What Your Doctor Doesn’t Know about Nutritional Medicine May be Killing You.” I am so confused on the subject of diets; I am so confused on the subject of medicine; I am so confused on the subject of herbs and vitamins. I mean I’m on everyone’s list; I just opened something today that the great cure all to lower your blood pressure. But the thing that Dr. Strand has been saying over and over again is that we must become proactive and I mean it’s almost outrageous Dr. Strand that you said that becoming proactive you can prevent having Alzheimer’s, having high blood pressure; having diabetes; being overweight. I mean and almost every other disease we know of.
Ray: Well you know we just ended the last program and talked about this very fact that you know when you go to any medical meeting and you hear about high blood pressure of diabetes or cholesterol or heart disease. You know what they say “The first heart therapy should be patients trying to learn healthier lifestyles.” And this is what people should be doing prior to being placed on any medicine; I mean this is the standard in medicine. However physicians tend to feel for whatever reason just giving us lip service as they’re writing the prescription. In other words they might say “You might need to exercise or do this; but they don’t really direct the patient in effective lifestyle changes that could lower their blood pressure, lower the risk of diabetes, heart disease, cholesterol. And what we do is we end up feeling patients won’t do it because it takes patient motivation. Or the second thing is we feel even if they do do it won’t help and that’s where the fallacy is. You can control much of these diseases or prevent these by simply adopting healthy lifestyles.
Sid: Alright, what about the individual that says in my family and I know that these are curses so you don’t have to write me letters. And I know that Jesus died and became a curse for us that we don’t have to bare the penalty of the curse. But I also know that there are many people that are Spirit Filled Christians that are going to end up with diabetes, with Alzheimer’s, with cancer, with arthritis, with fibromyalgia, with many of these diseases and according to you Dr. Strand they’re all preventable.
Ray: Well, that’s right and you know Sid it’s sad no one is dying of old age anymore. We’re not… in this body we know that that the outer man is decaying and the inner-man is growing day by day. But what happens is this process is set by God. But yet again it was not his intent that we should suffer. You know my patients don’t seem to be as concerned about the years in their life than the quality of life in those years. And we’re just simply living too short and dying too long and people don’t have to do that.
Sid: Now if people followed the directions in your book, the instructions if you will and I must add even your diet is a relatively simple diet. Your exercise is relatively simple exercise; your nutrition suggestions are not a long laundry list but just a few vitamins and herbs. What results do you believe that they’ll have?
Ray: Well, they are dramatic and I’ve seen it over and over in my clinical practice. I mean not only can you I feel prevent diabetes about 90% of the time. I have several diabetics these are adult onset diabetics who have totally reversed their disease. And is it a miracle of the Lord? Yes it is because all we are doing is when you start to take care of yourself and you take nutritionals, which are simply nutrients we should be getting from our food. But Sid now because we have supplements we can supplement at levels you can’t obtain from your food. But now all we’re doing is enhancing what God’s already created. That natural immune system, the natural antioxidant defense system and the natural repair system. And this is something that has just been amazing to me when people adopt these very very simple lifestyles changes. Because like you mentioned in an earlier program the more you read the more confused you are. And that’s where I feel my role is, is try to weed through all of the garbage and marketing and try to give people practical honest truthful aspects of healthy lifestyles that are effective.
Sid: Now when I was telling you some of the herbs that I was taking you seemed to be kind of negative on herbs. As a matter of fact your book talks about dangers from certain herbs that people buy as well as just going to a drug store and buying something over the counter that’s not an herb in the medicine category. There’s dangers in these things.
Ray: Well right, first of all herbs are basically natural drugs. You know that’s where 25% of your drugs that our pharmaceutical companies have developed actually come from plants and herbs.
Sid: You know my rational was “Well, it’s an herb it won’t hurt me; if it’s a medicine it might.”
Ray: Well your right in one aspect it is safer than medications but the problem is that herbs actually change natural enzymatic reactions to create a pharmaceutical effect. A good example is St. John’s Wart. St John’s Wart is like half strength Prozac and if you take…
Sid: And the average Christian would say “I don’t want to take Prozac.” But they’re taking St. John’s Wart.
Ray: Right, it’s the same thing and it just…the other thing is that if you take red rice yeast it’s exactly the same drug that’s in Mevacor which is like a Lipator or Zocor.
Sid: And what about something like over the counter diet pills, tell me a true story.
Ray: Well, a true story and I can tell you generally a study that was done. They used to contain a product called PPA, Purple Phenylpropanolamine, if I can get it out, but anyway the PPA was in all of these diet pills and decongestants for years. Until they found out that young teenage girls would have a hemorrhagic stroke from all of these drugs. And it took them years to figure this out except they will hear these 16, 17 year old girls dying of a bleed in the brain and they couldn’t figure it out. It was due to these over the counter diet pills PPA. Well, now we’ve heard about Afedra which is an herb that has been taken off the market and it was causing tremendous problems with hemorrhagic strokes or problems with seizures. And I’ve actually had the patient I’ve written about in my book “Death By Prescription” that happened to a 25 year old man here with just on the right dose of Afedra. And he had a seizure and had brain damage because he didn’t get enough oxygen and at 24 he’s a vegetable and that’s a true story from my home town here. So we see this all the time see you have to be careful of that. And then Sid you mentioned the over the counter drugs; 75 – 85% of those over counter drugs were once prescription medication. And obviously they have problems too but because we feel that they are over-the-counter they must be safe. And you can take Motrin and Aleve and that’s 2 examples…
Sid: I know people with arthritis that just pop them all the time.
Ray: You know Sid, 100,000 admissions each and every year occur because of those drugs because of GI bleeds, and over 16,000 deaths just due to the Motrins and the Aleves of the world.
Sid: Hmm. What about something like antibiotic, someone’s got a cold and they talk their doctor into giving them an antibiotic?
Ray: Well I’ll tell you some stories. We had a… I knew of a patient that wasn’t mine and this was before we knew. People used to take a antihistamine non sedating called Seldane. Seldane was on the market for 12 years before it was pulled off. Now Seldane by itself was fine, but when you took an antibiotic like Erythromycin very common but you used it in combination they had a side effect which was called sudden death because they could get a cardiac arrest. There are other ones just by them self and there has been several antibiotics taken off the market and they’re called quidalones and it’s really amazing they can cause a heart rhythm problem and cause a sudden death. And we start to see this and it’s you know there’s a lot of them that have been taken off the market that we didn’t know about.
Sid: What about something like Tylenol?
Ray: Well, Tylenol causes liver damage.
Sid: Oi vey.
Ray: You know I told you the story about Heidi earlier in the week. When I was up at the University of Minnesota with her and she was having liver failure. Now she was fortunate she came out of it we caught it quick enough. But they said their liver transplant unit was filled with people who had destroyed their livers by the use of Tylenol. And so you know is Tylenol bad or does it hurt everybody? No, but you have to aware of the fact that it can cause liver damage and if you start to feel sick these people have to say “Whoa it’s my medication and maybe I have to be calling my doctor and checking with them.”
Sid: Now if someone were to read your books; find out what you have to say about herbs and vitamins and specific prescriptions; and then become proactive. Do the exercise you recommend and do take the nutrition you recommend; have the diet that you recommend. What are some of the things that changes they might have in their body?
Ray: Well the big thing is that what I have found is number 1 their blood pressure drops they start to release fat, they just start losing it.
Sid: Losing weight.
Ray: They get out of insulin resistance; their cholesterols drop; their good cholesterol goes up. I’ve had diabetics come under dramatically better control. Some of them have actually reversing their diabetes they are not even diabetic anymore.
Sid: A great deal of these deadly diseases are preventable.
Ray: A good example is the native American; the blacks as a community, the Hispanics now have a risk. If their child is born today 50% of them are going to get diabetes; that wasn’t true 2 generations ago; that is just happening. And what it is yes they have a genetic acceptability to that disease; but then you add to it their lifestyles and their environment.
Sid: Dr. Strand, I’m sorry we’re out of time. One more day left of very vital information.
Sid: Getting ready, and boy when I say getting ready because I believe that the Messiah is coming sooner than even I think let alone what you think. I really believe that we are in the period of time that the Rabbi’s of Israel are describing now as in the footsteps of the Messiah. In the traditional community they know something’s up. In the Christian community they know that something’s up; Jesus is getting ready to return. And that’s why I’m interviewing John McTernan. He’s been a guest many times and he has just done a 3 DVD series with notes called “Healing the Broken Heart and Walking Under the Blessings of Abraham.” And I believe that it’s as timely a message as you’ll ever hear. Now John for those that aren’t familiar with you you suffered with a broken heart many years; it crippled you in many areas of your life. But you were totally unaware of it, am I right?
John: Well you’re right Sid. When I look back I actually had a broken heart all my life and I was ministering to the Lord and I had been on your show and the way that I explain it Sid; now you had interviewed me several times. It felt like my life was going… like I was going down an interstate at 65 miles an hour with the emergency brake on. There was something wrong and I couldn’t put my finger on it until the Lord showed me it was a broken heart and I needed to be healed of it.
Sid: Now just out of curiosity. How did He show that to you? What were the circumstances?
John: Well Sid I was praying and crying out to the Lord; “What is wrong.” And it wasn’t like I was in sin or anything like it it was something wrong inside and I didn’t know what it was.
Sid: What a good way to describe it be there was a blockage and you couldn’t put your finger on it till everything God had for you, or you would not have put it that?
John: You know Sid it was more like a resistance inside; that’s the best way for me to explain it. That’s why I used that with the emergency brake on. And I was listening to the radio one day and there was a woman on there who had done an extensive study on children from divorced families. And my mother and father were divorced almost right after I was born…
Sid: And by the way the ones that are listening and say “It’s not for me.” No, you probably has it worse; and when your parents stayed together they went through such turmoil you hit… the same turmoil hit you but go ahead.
John: Yeah, and she was talking about what she found is children from divorced families grow up with broken hearts. And I was thinking, “Broken heart” and immediately, immediately the Holy Spirit took me to Luke 4:18 where in the scriptures it said “That the Lord came to heal the brokenhearted.” And I said “Lord, could that be it; do I have a broken heart?” But I didn’t know that I had one.
Sid: You know what it reminds me of? There are many people walking around that have blockage in their arteries to their heart and some of them die prematurely because of it. They have it and it’s a walking time bomb and they don’t know it because this is on the spiritually level not the physical.
John: Absolutely, you can… that’s the first time I heard that but you hit the nail right on the head with that description. I had this blockage in my spiritual heart and didn’t know it. So I prayed to the Lord, I prayed Luke 4:18. I’ll read this verse, it says “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because he anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor.” This is the ministry of Jesus Christ. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives and the recovering of the sight to the blind and to set at liberty them that are bruised. So my prayer was “Lord, if I have a broken heart, please reveal it and heal it.” And what happened Sid, all of a sudden I don’t know how soon after I prayed but…
Sid: Now, now just out of curiosity was the prayer just like you just said or where you really pushing. Did you just say a pragmatic prayer, “heal me” or were you really crying out for this. I just want to understand?
John: Sid, it was kind of a cry out because I was so desperate to find out what was wrong inside of me. So, yes it was kind of like “Lord, if this is the cause I have a broken heart please reveal it and heal it to me.” Yeah, it was a cry I would say it was a cry to the Lord.
Sid: I have to believe that yes you had a clue because of the statistic of children from divorced families. But I happen to believe in this day that we’re living in that everyone listening to me has a degree of a broken heart or Jesus wouldn’t have said that that was one of the purposes of His coming.
John: You’re absolutely correct, I agree with you 100% this is a fallen world. We come in contact with people that hate us; have lack of love, have anger, have bitterness. Unless Sid you grow up in a wonderful Christian family where God’s love is just flowing through that family and there is forgiveness and all…
Sid: Not too many of my Jewish friend’s do that but go ahead. (Laughing)
John: (Laughing) But, so I cried out to the Lord and all of a sudden this tremendous feeling of loneliness overcame me.
John: Now this wasn’t loneliness like I’ve gone on a little trip for a couple of days and I’ve missed my wife and family. This was a loneliness that felt like I was dying seriously. And this felt like I was falling into this dark pit. I would lay my head on the pillow at night with this feeling of loneliness and tears would just flow out of eyes. It was just complete separation and this terrible loneliness. And it took me a couple of weeks; I was praying to the Lord; I was giving this to Him; I was saying “Heal me from this.” And then again I was laying in bed and it left me like it weighed 300 pounds on my shoulder and then all of a sudden someone lifted it and it went. And that is when, and there were a couple of other things that were needed but that was the start of the healing of my broken heart. I had this great loneliness in me as a little baby, or youngster, from the separation from my father. And I had the spirit of loneliness that entered into me from being with my mother and stepfather when I wanted to be with my father.
Sid: Were the changes that occurred in your life gradual, or instantaneous, as instantaneous as when this left you, this broken heart?
John: It was instantaneous when that left me but then there were other things that the Lord revealed that had to be dealt with. But this here was instantaneous; something dramatic happened to me at that time. I knew it, I knew it Sid.
Sid: What was some of the other areas that you were set free from once your heart received this major healing from the trauma?
John: Well, along with that was rejection.
John: And my heart had to be healed from this rejection it was like a fear of rejection. I guess that would be the best way to explain it. And the way the Lord… when I saw that I had this rejection in me and it was like a defensive shield Sid that I would put up from the fear of being rejected. I wanted to… this is one of the things that I minister to the people with. Romans 8:15 and this is the verse that set me free. Because it says in that verse “That God has not given us a spirit of bondage again to fear, but a spirit of adoption where we cry Abba Father!” When I realized that God was my source of acceptance not people, and the Bible says that I can call God “Abba,” which is in English “Daddy.” And I rested in Him. That’s what completely healed me of fear of rejection and the spirit of rejection.
Sid: Okay, what difference has it made in your life as a result of having your heart healed?
John: Well, what it’s done is number 1 it’s giving me a great inner peace that I lacked before with that feeling of resistance that I was telling you about. Also I didn’t realize the weakness that was in me and my heart was healed this inner strength came that completely revolutionized my walk with the Lord.
Sid: Well I know this. You don’t know this Mishpochah but John when he just shares people are having these releases and it’s almost like… John you have a new release of gifting which was blocked because of the broken heart.
John: Yes, yes. Once the Lord healed me of that broken heart a whole new like ministry opened up; a whole new walk with the Lord.
Sid: See I believe a lot of the gifts of the Spirit that God has given to people. Just like some have a good heart but have blockage in their arteries the blockage has stopped it from being released. Well, I’m so excited that John put together 3 DVD’s plus his notes. And the 3 DVD’s is called. “Healing the Broken heart and Walking Under the Blessings of Abraham.” It is vital end-time teaching but he prays for you to have your heart blockage removed on this special 3 DVD series with notes.
SID: Now we find out in the Bible amazing supernatural blessings that God has given to
Abraham. But there’s a tie-in between a heart being broken and receiving these supernatural blessings. There is, like with John, there is a disconnect and many people don’t understand this. Explain that.
JOHN: When our heart is healed, it puts us in a new relationship with God. It’s like when you have an earthly father and you’re afraid of him for whatever reason, you shy back, you’re afraid to talk to him, you’re afraid to ask him. Well with a broken heart, that can carry over towards our attitude. And God tells us to call him “Abba Father.” And those attitudes towards an earthly father, we can project towards God. But he’s not like that towards us. So a broken heart can break the feeling, or block the feeling of how much God loves us, how much He wants to bless us, and also the ministry of Lord Jesus is to open the eyes of the blind. So once our heart is healed, Sid, it’s a progression. Salvation, healing of the heart, setting the captives free, opening the eyes of the blind and then setting at liberty them that are bruised, it’s a progression of what God does in
our life. So when our heart is healed and we’re set free, all of a sudden there’s no blockage between us and Abba Father, and we believe that He’ll bless us then.
SID: So very briefly, will you tell me, I mean, John gets calls from people that have loved ones in mental institutions. Tell me about one.
JOHN: A friend of mine asked me to minister to his sister who was believer, and she has been in and out of the psychiatric ward for severe depression. She had been there, she’s in her 60’s, she had been in there now for three months. And didn’t know she was in there for three months.
SID: How bad was the depression?
JOHN: The doctor said it was the worst he’s ever seen. They were thinking of permanently institutionalizing her. When I visited her and I looked at her, Sid, if you could see depression, that was her. I mean, you could like cut it or touch her with depression. And there’s a Bible right next to her. So I began to talk to her and she said, “I’ve been prayed over and so many people prayed over me, and I’ve gone to Christian psychologists.” I said, “Did anyone ever pray for you for a broken heart?” And she went like this and she said, “No, never.” I said, “That’s the problem.” Terry was her name. So we got into her background. When she was 16 years old she had a child out of wedlock. The child died and it ruptured her family, relationship with her family that destroyed her inside, and she went on a path of rejection and depression into the psychiatric ward. So we prayed and she forgave what happened, she believed the baby died because of what she did. Then she believed God punished her by taking the baby. She had a grudge towards God. She had to forgive herself. She had to forgive her parents. When that all came and then we prayed, Sid, the greatest, for me personally I think, miracle I had ever seen, her continence changed. She had this glow to the point where people in the psychiatric ward were saying to her, “What happened to you? You look so different.” My friend said to me, “You did like a magic act. His name was John.” I said, “What are you talking about?” He said, “That’s not my sister.” He goes, “I don’t know who she is.” He goes, “I’ve never seen anything like this from the depression to the joy.” And they released her from the hospital, and she now is leading a normal life. The whole problem was a broken heart.
SID: Okay. Will you pray as God instructs for those that are watching, because I know that this is what you’ve been crying out to God for.
JOHN: Yes. Father, we come before you in the awesome name of Jesus. And Lord, we bring the listeners before you and the key on their part is forgiveness, to forgive those that broke their heart, forgive themselves and maybe possibly we be reconciled with you from a grudge. Father, once that’s done, I pray now that in the name of Jesus you take that shattered, broken, splintered heart and put it together, make it solid, make it one according to your word, and bind it with the power and the love of the Holy Spirit, never to be broken again. And bring the healing that comes with that, Father, the healing from fear and depression, and anxiety, and rejection where we can call you Abba Father and walk in love with you. And then, Father, we ask for the flow as the heart is healed, Lord, that issues like high blood pressure, heart problems, ulcerated colitis, Lord, fibromyalgia, all sorts of things that are triggered by the tension inside, the anxiety inside, the fear inside, Lord, that your natural healing virtue would flow through their bodies, and they be released and healed of these diseases and maladies. In Jesus’ name I ask. Amen.
SID: Amen. Now I can tell this. There is a requirement in the Kingdom. It came from our teacher, our Lord, the Messiah of Israel, Jesus, the Anointed One. And this is what he says: “I will forgive you to the same degree, the same amount that you forgive other people.” So how much do you want God to forgive you, 95 percent? You say, I don’t feel like it. I don’t deserve it. Doesn’t count. Meaningless. God says, if you confess your sins He is just and faithful to forgive you of all unrighteousness, and unforgiveness is a sin that blocks the hand of God. Unforgiveness is taking the arsenic you want your enemy to take. Stop it. Come to your senses. It’s an act of your will. It’s not a feeling. It’s not emotion. So don’t tell me you can’t do it. You can do it. You want to please the Living God. There’s no one else that you need to please. Please Him. Tell Him you choose to forgive that person out loud in Jesus’ name and don’t look back. And I’m going to tell you something. Now does it mean you have to trust them? Not until they earn it. But you can forgive them. I’m telling you, you can, because I have. And then ask Jesus to forgive you of everything you’ve ever done and say, “Jesus, I make you my Lord. Come inside of me. Take over my life. I love you, Lord.” And then I pray that you experience the tangible presence of the love of the Living God, in Jesus’ name.
Sid: If you’re not red hot for the Messiah you’re lukewarm and you should read about yourself in the book of Revelation. Jesus said “If you’re not hot or cold I will vomit you out of my mouth.” Well, the only, the only, the only, the only position to be in is red hot for the Messiah. My guest is Jonathan Bernis you’re probably familiar with him from his television show “Jewish Voice with Jonathan Bernis.” Jonathan and I have been friends for over 30 years. On yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about the most amazing difference so few Christians understand this of the Jewish or Hebrew understanding of the word mediate. Would you explain that again Jonathan?
Jonathan: I will Sid, there’s two kinds of meditation; actually there’s two words in Hebrew. The one that’s similar to the Christian concept of meditation is the idea that we are using our mind to reflect on the scripture. The word is sekha and it has to do with rehearsing in one’s mind or thoughts. This is the Christian concept; but the Hebrew concept is very different it’s the word haga and we get from that the Haggadah which means to tell, or retell the story of Passover. And it literally means to groan; to sigh or mutter or to speak. So while the Christian concept is derived really more from a Latin contemplation; the idea of contemplation and reflection and thought. Hebrew is the idea of speaking forth. And that’s what we find in Joshua 1:8 where Joshua was told to be strong and to be courageous and he’ll be successful if he does one thing. Meditates, confesses the word of God. He’s told to keep the word on his mouth. Not on his mind and heart but on his mouth. And so this is a very very important key Sid. We build faith when we confess the word of God; we hear it, we confess it and we hear it. And it eventually gets into our spirit and faith is released.
Sid: Well, you talk about Proverbs 18:21 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue.” It’s almost like our words are magnets of blessings or curses.
Jonathan: The absolutely are; I meet people and you can see that they are beaten down and very insecure. And when you really probe Sid you find out that they have been reinforced with negative words. They have been told by their parents “You’re no good; you’re not going to amount to anything; you’re good for nothing. And sadly they come to believe it. And it takes the power of God; it takes deliverance to break free from that. But when children are reinforced with the Word of God “You are a child of God; greater is He who is in you that he that is in the world. You can do all things through the Messiah who strengthens you.” It also brings life to them…
Sid: Give me an example of someone that you instructed to meditate. What was wrong with them and what happened to them?
Jonathan: Okay as a pastor a woman who really I was very endeared to; a very sweet woman but she suffered from terrible depression. Sid, you could see it all over her face.
Sid: How long did she have this problem?
Jonathan: Well, like the woman with the issue of blood she had suffered from this for decades; more than 20 years. She had gone to doctors, specialists, therapists. She had tried everything and she was still just covered with depression; it was interwoven into her personality. I counseled her and I counseled her, I was a relatively young pastor Sid and it went nowhere. Then the Lord spoke to me as I was praying for her and told me to do one thing. “Give her scriptures that she can begin to confess; give her a homework assignment.” And so when I met with her the next time I didn’t go through an hour of back and forth counseling and ideas and the wisdom of man. I said “Sue, Susan these are scriptures that I want you to confess.” Like “Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world; You’re more than conquers through Him who loved us and gave Himself for us.” I gave her those scriptures; she came in the next week and said she was a different person. You could see it all over her face; she had joy; she had peace; she had been set free not by my intensive counseling but by confessing the Word of God again and again until it broke those demonic forces. Somebody just got delivered as I spoke Sid; I just felt it.
Sid: Well, I’m going to tell you something; this brand new book and it is brand new “Confessing the Hebrew Scriptures; the Lord is Peace.” Jonathan describe to me when they get this in the mail what they will receive and we’re going to pay a selection from the CD after you do that.
Jonathan: Okay, they’re going to get a beautiful hardbound coffee table book filled with gorgeous pictures that reflect peace and tranquility and rest. Shalom is an amazing word Sid that doesn’t mean just peace but it means wholeness; it means prosperity; it means wellbeing; it means to be brought to completion. Then they’ll see about 50 scriptures both Old and New Testament that have the English; below it the Hebrew. And then below that something called transliteration. This is the phonetic English of the Hebrew; and then in the back there is a CD that’s in the book; they pull the CD out and then they play the CD and they here this beautiful soft meditative music and then the confession of these scriptures in English and then in Hebrew. And what they do is they begin to confess along with the Hebrew speaker these scriptures and then they can speak perfect Hebrew without any background; without any experience; without any education.
Sid: Now I can see entire families doing this. They sit down; the little children, the mother, the father and read it in the Hebrew and listen to it in the Hebrew. And Hebrew is unlike any other language in the world; it is a supernatural language. It was prophesied, it would be restored in Israel someday. They would speak it in the streets of Judah and the cities of Israel and this has happen. But I believe that as they listen to this at night or during the day you’re taking in the word of God and it’s becoming flesh inside of you. And the days we’re living in; if you’re not speaking in your supernatural languages and if you’re not meditating on the promises of God’s word; you may go to heaven but you may go sooner than God wants you to. So Jonathan, tell me about a verse that we’re going to play in a moment.
Jonathan: Jeremiah 29; this is actually in the book. Jeremiah 29 verses 11-13 and then you can hear the CD with the music and it’s spoken in Hebrew. One of my favorite scriptures it says “For I know the thoughts that I think towards you say’s the Lord; thoughts of peace and not evil to give you a future and a hope; then you will call upon Me and go and pray to Me and I will listen to you and you will seek Me and find Me when you search Me with all your heart.”
Sid: Okay, let’s hear the CD and remember you’re hearing this by a native speaking Israeli. You’re being able to read this in this amazing method that has taught Jews all over the world to instantly read Hebrew. It’s called transliteration. And you’re hearing the music and you’re hearing the words in English. And then I want you to when you go to bed at night if you’re listening to it just before you go to bed or if you’re reading it in this beautiful book guess what you’ll be dreaming about all night? You’ll be dreaming these promises. So let’s listen to it right now.
CD: Excerpt of Jeremiah 29:11 – 13.
Sid: Okay, you just heard in Hebrew and English Jeremiah 29:11-13. Jonathan, what does that verse mean to you?
Jonathan: Well Sid the context of this is that it’s a great scripture in the midst of a bad chapter. The chapter is they’re captivity in Babylon, but the Lord says “I’m not finish with you; I have a plan for you; I have a good plan for you.” And He has a plan for all of us. That word peace shalom doesn’t just mean peace Sid. Some translation’s say “My plan is to prosper you.” Shalom is prosperity; it’s God’s prosperity; not to inflict evil or rah in Hebrew upon us; but to give us a future and a hope. God has a destiny for each and every one of us. An intended destination; that’s what the Hebrew word akhareet means which you hear in the Hebrew text, that’s an expected end a destiny. He brings us to a place where we complete our purpose for this life. And hear Him say “Good and faithful servant. Well done.” Sid, how do we get to that destination? By the hearing the voice of God; by praying in other tongues, by confessing the word of God, by building faith into our spirit. So that we can do what we see Him doing; it gives us ears to hear and eyes to see.
Sid: And God is speaking to me just as Jonathan was speaking; I mean there is such an anointing on the Hebrew language. People with arthritis in their fingers if you’ll begin to move your fingers you’ll see the pain is gone. And people with back problems and neck problems if you’ll just move your back; bend over. If you’ll just move your head side to side you’ll find that you’re totally healed in Jesus Name.
Sid: Now my guest really needs no introduction if you’ve heard of Promise Keepers you’ve heard of the person that started it Coach Bill McCartney. This is an organization that had as many as 1.4 million Christians from every denomination; from every background. I mean and that is a supernatural feat to get all of these men together to worship the Lord. But to get to Promise Keepers God had to work with him in other arenas. As a matter of fact God is working with you; you may not realize this but God has something great He has a destiny of greatness. Why do I say this? Because I believe that we’re in the generation that will welcome the return of the Messiah. And to whom much is given much is required. But everything that you’ve done thus far is a stepping stone to the next thing. So I want to find out a bit about Coach Bill McCartney of how he got to the point where God could use him for Promise Keepers and the new thing that he’s doing right now. Coach, tell me a bit about how you came to the Lord.
Coach: I really had a unique beginning Sid. I was evangelized by the conservative community but discipled by the prophetic community. The guys that discipled me were zealous for the things of God. So early on I was exposed to wholehearted believers who gathered and worshiped God without inhibition. It really served to catapult me so to speak into a fiery pursuit of the things of God.
Sid: Well, when you got into coaching you started putting God first and He started actually giving you game plans.
Coach: He did you know I laugh because a lot of people think God doesn’t care who wins football games but that is not what God’s word says. God’s word in Proverbs 3, 5 and 6 says “Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your path.” It doesn’t say in every way but football, it says in every way. So I took Him at His word and committed everything that I did in football. When I was the assistant coach at Michigan I was the defensive coordinator and it was my responsibility to develop the defensive strategy from week to week. I found God helping me to that and had extraordinary results.
Sid: Tell, me one occasion that you can think of.
Coach: Well, we were going to play a Purdue and Purdue had at that time the all-time total offense leader in the history of college football. His name was Mark Herman. And Purdue was coming to Anarbor; six weeks leading up to us they had averaged 45 points a game. So you know this is a tremendous challenge and so as I heal this before the Lord He gave me a game plan that really at that time was unique to even the professional ranks.
Sid: Did you realize it was coming supernaturally or did it just kind of evolve and “Oh, this must be God?”
Coach: Oh no, I jumped up and down I said “I got it; I’ve got it.”
Coach: I mean I ran around the room and I knew that God had spoken to me.
Sid: And needless to say you won.
Coach: And we not only won but we shut them out; we beat them 26 to nothing.
Coach: It shocked the college football world; this was 1980.
Sid: That must have been have put your name on the map as an Assistant Coach.
Coach: Well, what happened was the big Ten Conference, this was a matter of record; they named me the Big Ten Player of the week. Now that’s absurd because it never happened before when any coach was named Player of the Week, but it was just evidence that God was building my faith. He was speaking into me; He was teaching me that I could trust His voice.
Sid: Just for those that are not knowledgeable of football can you explain a little bit about what God said for a layman as far as this special plan that you just shut down this high scoring team.
Coach: Yes sir. What happened was what we would do is go out and practice and we filmed everything that we did on the practice field and then as coaches we would have dinner; the players would go on an study and what not and back to their dorms or fraternities. And the coaches would come back into the meeting room; so we were watching what we were doing during the week as we prepared for Purdue. It was obvious that we couldn’t stop out own scout team in practice. It was made up of inferior players that weren’t as good as the other guys on our team. So I’m praying the whole time; I’m saying “Lord You got to help me.”
Sid: Now does your team know that you’re praying?
Coach: No, and the other guys in the room the other assistant coaches don’t know either I’m praying below my breath. I’m saying “Lord help me; I got to have help me I don’t know what to do.” And right in the midst of that the idea that He gave me was that if we defended them with 6 defensive backs in the game at one time we could match up with them. Well that… currently today it’s pretty customary for teams to do that on occasion, but back then nobody was doing that.
Sid: So you really caught them by surprise.
Coach: Well, they couldn’t adjust to it.
Coach: Well, we had them off balance the whole game. They couldn’t hardly make a first down after the 1st quarter. So it was just one of those things that really shocked and surprised the college football world and it built my faith.
Sid: And you got a few awards for that particular activity.
Coach: Well, that particular game I was named the Big Ten Player of the Week but it did lead to my being hired. It was instrumental to my being hired as the Head Football Coach at Colorado shortly thereafter.
Sid: Now you had a prophetic word about that, “You will be His Rock in Boulder.”
Coach: What happened was when I got hired at Colorado and elderly lady from the east I’ve never met her; never heard from her before or since. She wrote me a letter within one week of me being hired and she said “Coach McCartney, Almighty God told me to tell you that you will be His Rock in Boulder.” And not only that I got a letter; I had 4 guys from the state of Texas make an appointment to see me. I’m still only 1 week on the job and they said “Coach God sent us here to tell you that He’s going to use you greatly in the days ahead.” Well, what do you do with those things except you carry them in your head and you hold them before the Lord and you trust that He’s going to glorify Himself.
Sid: Tell me about that time that you were really involved in intense practice and all of sudden the worst time of the world your Pastor comes trolling down the football field to see you. You see him coming you know that you’re so preoccupied, what happened?
Coach: This is a great story. It was 1989 the best record that we had had in Colorado in my 8 years there was 8 and 4. We were looking forward in having a great team and we were practicing in August during two day sessions. These two day sessions are very intense; everything that we do has been discussed and rehearsed in advance meaning we don’t do anything indiscriminately. Every play that we practice we have discussed it and researched it. So it was in the midst of that kind of a laboratory experience that I look over and the pastor of my church is running out on to the practice field. And I’m thinking to myself “Pastor don’t come out here.” I’m kind of giving him body language and you know and it would be tantamount to him preaching on Sunday and me tapping him on the shoulder and interrupting him. I mean you wouldn’t do that.
Coach: But he’s undeterred, he gets there he says “Coach, coach you’re not going to believe this.” He said “I had a dream last night, and in the dream God showed me that your team is going to have a golden season and you personally will be the national coach of the year.” Well, we haven’t even played the game yet and he’s got me winning the National Coach of the Year. So obviously you know when he…
Sid: There’s a Hebrew word he’s a little “Mashuga” he’s a little crazy. Did you think or did you believe that was from God?
Coach: He had my full attention and matter of fact I was no longer offended that he was out there.
Coach: And I was ready for anything that he was going to tell me. Well, he wrote it all down and two weeks later we opened on National Television the first game of the season it was a home game. And we played the University of Texas; we win the game and the next day in the Denver post right across the front page it says in bold letters, “Colorado Buffaloes Debut Golden Season.” I mean the very thing he said.
Sid: And the end of the year what happened?
Coach: One game and having people call it a Golden Season. Furthermore you don’t win one game and make the Front Page; you make the Sports Page.
Coach: But anyway it happened just like he said; we won all 11 games; I was voted the National Coach of the Year and we had a Golden Season.
Sid: I love it when it’s true prophetic words from God. Coach we’re out of time right now.