Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah. His name is Robert Gay; he’s a Pastor in Panama City, Florida. And Robert, someone that I really value in the Body of Messiah by the name of Bishop Bill Hamon. You were his Worship Leader; did the anointing on him because he is such a prolific prophet; did it rub off on you?
Robert: Well, I would hope that it did and I consider Bishop Bill Hamon my spiritual father. And we’ve had this wonderful relationship with he and Ma Hamon for over 25 years now. And we so appreciate the relationship that we have and we appreciate all the anointing and transfer that we have received from their ministry.
Sid: But of course it didn’t start there; it started because you had praying parents; you were raised in a Pentecostal home. And when you were just 11 years of age you received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And someone told me you couldn’t speak English for the next how many hours?
Robert: Well, my mother and father; actually it happened on a youth meeting on Tuesday night I went to this youth meeting and I did not go there with the intention of being filled with the Holy Spirit. I just was going to the youth meeting and they began to pray for people to be filled with the Holy Spirit. And there was a lady that began to pray and of course all the folks just began to gather around others that were being prayed for to receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit. But any way she began to shake a lot while they were praying so I thought that that was the thing that you were supposed to do so I just began to just shaking myself. And the next thing you know she turned around and said “I believe this little boy right here can be filled with the Holy Spirit and hands began to come from all different directions toward me. Any way I got baptized in the Holy Spirit; my Mom and Dad came to pick me up; I could not even talk all the way home because any time I would try to open my mouth tongues would come out. I went to bed that night just praying in tongues and it lasted that way until the next morning.
Sid: Just out of curiosity as a little 11 year old kid how does that little mind wrap “I can’t speak English anymore?”
Robert: Well, it was just one of the strangest things that had ever happened to me. I had an understanding; at least a partial understanding of what had happened but the only thing that I knew was that I couldn’t open my mouth without some other unusual language coming out. Of course being brought up in a…
Sid: I think I might have thought; I’m never going to be able to speak English again.
Robert: (Laughing) Huh I really didn’t know at the time but I would just my Mother and my Father they would ask me a question and I would not respond to them. I would just “Hm hm” because anytime I would try to speak anything that tongues would come out.
Sid: And another thing I like is you are a Worship Leader and you move in strong words of of knowledge and prophecy. But I love it because sometimes you sing it; tell me about one time you sang a prophecy and what happened.
Robert: Well; we’ve had a lot of different things that have taken place over the years. One of the things that I remember very vividly and I was ministering in a town that was right below Atlanta, Georgia. And as I was leading into worship the Lord; and this was back many years ago when the first began to do this at least manifest in this way through me. And I began to sing this and the Lord gave me what I call a song of deliverance; and I began to sing this. The words were “There is somebody here…
Sid: Could I get you to sing it; rather than tell me it?
Robert: Well, my voice was a lot better back then.
Sid: That’s okay, I’ll give you grace go for it.
Robert: But I began to sing “There’s somebody here you’ve misaligned a vertebrae in your neck but now the Spirit of the Lord is upon you and He’s healing you.” It was something like that; and it was very short and it wasn’t real long. Nothing what you would call great and profound melodically but at the end of the service there’s a lady that comes up to me; running up to me at the end of the service weeping and crying. And she said “When you sang that song I want you to know happened to me something is something popped in my neck. Said I’d been going to chiropractors for years, I’d been going to doctors for years. I was in an automobile accident; I’m on constant pain medication because of my neck and she said that when you sang that song something popped in my neck and every bit of pain left my neck immediately. I saw the pastor about four months later in a conference and he brought to my remembrance what had taken place. He said “Do you remember the lady that had gotten healed in the service with her neck, he said “Since then she’s not had one bit of pain medicine; she’s not had one thing what so ever; she hasn’t had to go back to the doctors and hasn’t experienced one bit of pain.” Nobody laid hands on her; no body did anything but it was just released through a prophetic song of deliverance. And it’s what I believe you know the Bible says that “He sent His Word and healed them.”
Sid: You know you had something so wonderful happen with your children. And as far as I’m concerned to have your children serving the Lord; that’s the most wonderful thing in the world. But when your daughter was about to be born in 1988 she has a sonogram and it reveals that your daughter is dead in the womb. What occurred?
Robert: Well, what happened is my wife began to bleed heavily and so she went to the doctor of course we had already found out and established that she was pregnant. She went to the doctor and they did a sonogram and whenever they conducted the sonogram and diagnosis came back that she had a blighted ovum. And a blighted ovum is basically where pregnancy takes place but then the embryo dies on the vine.
Robert: So you have the sack and you can actually see the formation of life but there is no heart beat and no activity what-so-ever. And she was bleeding real heavily and so the doctor said “We need to do a DNC and we need to do it immediately.” And so I could not actually could not go with her to the doctor that day so she called me at the office and I was at that time working with Christian International with Dr. Bill Hamon. And she was crying and weeping and she said “What do I do?” And I said “We’re not going to do anything as far as what the doctors say; we are going to stand on the word of the Lord.” Because what had just happened several months previous we had received a prophetic word that we were going to have a daughter who would be a dancer in the House of the Lord. And so Paul said “Take the prophetic word and war a good warfare with the word that you have received.” And so we took that word and we began to war a good warfare with it. And so whenever I got home that night I laid my hands upon her stomach and I said “You will live and not die.” And we began to declare that and we began to take that word those prophetic words that we had received about having a daughter who would be a dancer in the House of the Lord. And we just began to war a good warfare with those and about a month later all the bleeding stopped. And then she went back to the doctor and the doctor proceeded to do the sonogram and heard the heartbeat and literally jumped back at astonishment in the fact that there was a heartbeat that was actually there. And what we believe is that God actually resurrected her in the womb and she was born that year in 1988. And today she’s the head of our dance team.
Sid: So that prophetic word was from God.
Robert: Almost definitely; most definitely.
Sid: I mean it saved her life for starters.
Sid: I mean because you knew that she was going to be a dancer therefore you knew she was going to live.
Robert: Exactly, exactly and again any time you make and stand and you believe what God has said. Although we have promises in the written word; there was no specific word that I could go to in the Bible that said “I was going to have a daughter who’d be a dancer in the House of the Lord.” We would have had every reason just to believe whatever the doctor said and do what the doctor said. But we had a diagnosis; I call it a pre-diagnosis from Dr. Jesus saying “She is going to live and not die.” We had a pre-diagnosis that said that she would be a dancer in the House of the Lord and God resurrected her. And again today she’s serving the Lord and she prophesies in the Church and now herself has 2 children.
Sid: Well, as far as I’m concerned you are one blessed man. I mean your 3 children saved; filled with the Spirit; operate in the gifts of the Spirit. And your grandchildren I mean there’s no greater blessing as far as I’m concerned. But I am concerned that many people that are listening to us right now and they may miss the next great and maybe last outpouring of God’s Spirit on planet Earth that’s just about ready to hit us because they just don’t understand the Ten Commandments. Explain on that just briefly.
Robert: Well, I believe as a part of the New Covenant that we have to understand that grace does not separate us from the Ten Commandments. As a matter of fact I have taught this and believe this that grace actually ties it to us; ties the Ten Commandments to us to a greater level. In the Old Covenant of course what we know as the Ten Commandments were originally written on the tablets of stone. However Jeremiah begins to prophesy of a day that the day would come when God would write a New Covenant. And this is what he said “I will write my law upon their hearts and I will write it upon their minds.” So in the Old Testament the Commandments were of course “You shall not have no other gods before you; don’t steal; don’t lie; all these things. These are commandments that were written on stone that were then imposed upon the folks, the people that were under the Old Covenant. In the New Testament now we are actually tied to those Commandments to a greater level because they are now written upon our heart. So now they are Commandments that now motivate us to live righteously; they motivate us…
Sid: I’m sorry we’re out of time.
Sid: My guest Tom Horn you recall from the St. Malachi prophecies. He has got a bomb shell of a book. I’m telling you this is beyond my imagination the facts that you have gathered from the secret plan on the currency, for the anti-Christ, to the secrets in the great seal in the US; it all stems to a group called the masons. Which when you told me the person that founded freemasonry was a Rosicrucian if I had known that I would have realized the whole thing must have been New Age. But tell me about how Washington D.C. was physically designed with Masonic symbolism.
Tom: And this is one of the things Sid that just comes as such a surprise to people; people that are unfamiliar with the American Masonic history they have no clue the involvement by Freemasons in even he layout and design of this city was part of a magnificent occultic plan. For instance, if you go to Washington DC today you can hire a guide now, a free masonic-guide, who will show you the house of the temple; show you the buildings that belong to the Scottish Rite Freemasonry. But they also will show you the design and layout of the capital city and how it was shepherded by those who wanted to reflect dedication to all of the ancient pagan gods that Bacon and his followers were seeking wisdom from. Not only that you can go to the government’s own website; there’s an article called “The Most Approved Plan: The Competition For the Capital’s Design.” This is one the Library of Congress’s website and it tells how after they advertised this competition for the design of the center of Washington DC of how George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Commissioners of the District of Columbia rejected all the other plans and instead designed a plan of their own that was based on their own that was based on (This was a quote from our own government website). “The Roman Pan-peon the circular domed rotunda dedicated to all pagan gods.” So our own government websites admit that this is a fact; so now what does that mean? In very partial terms in what way was it dedicated to all these pagan gods? This is the part that stands out as astonishing anyone could visit Washington DC; they could go over to the Capital buildings; they can go over to the dome and stand there and look across that field at the that great Washington monument that’s standing there. What they don’t recognize is that this part of the greatest conspiracy of all times sitting right out in the open because that diagram is well known in ancient Egypt. It is a magical talismatic energy creator if you will; it’s a prime evil concept Sid; it was designed in antiquity for only one purpose; regeneration; resurrection; apotheosis. Literally for deity incarnation from the underworld for under the earth surface through the union of these two respective figures, the dome, which is the ancient structural representation of the womb of Isis, and the obelisk which is the ancient…
Sid: Now you’re talking about the Washington Monument now.
Tom: I am and that’s a model by the way from antiquity; it exists today on the grandest scale in 2 places and this is very important. At the heart of the capital of the most powerful government on earth, the United States, and also in the heart of the most powerful church on earth the Vatican. And there’s a few things about this and I won’t get bogged down in the details but they’re important that people should know. First, the US Capital has been called the mirror Vatican throughout history due to the striking similarity between the primary building and streets. And in fact that isn’t an accident; America’s forefather’s first named the Capitol City Rome.
Tom: But the parallelism between Washington and the Vatican is most clearly illustrated by the Capital building and the dome facing the obelisk known as the Washington Monument. And then at the Vatican by a dome facing an obelisk in St. Peter’s Basilica that was actually taken from the Biblical city of On that was dedicated to the god Osiris. And it was moved there and erected in the middle of St. Peter’s Basilica and in fact Sixtus the Pope at that time when the did erect it and dedicate it he even performed an exorcism on the obelisk to try to cast a demon of Osiris out of it. (Laughing) But in any case that is what we call an alchemical blueprint; it is an ancient formula; a mystical construct for the purpose of resurrecting from the underworld the spirit of Osiris into whoever the leader happens to be at that time. I got a…
Sid: And you say another name for Osiris is anti-Christ?
Tom: Another name for Osiris or Apollo is the anti-Christ; the god Osiris in Egyptian mythology was renamed Apollo in Greek mythology and that’s an established fact. There’s a great deal of academic material out there that says that isn’t just Tom Horn’s opinion that’s an established fact. And what makes that interesting when you for instance at the great seal of the United States of America is that you have all of the images are Egyptian in their motif. So you have an uncapped pyramid; you have the all seeing eye of Horus; these are all Egyptian motifs. But then the motto’s that are on the seal these are all taken from Greek prophecies about the return of Apollo. So you have the marriage of Osiris and Apollo on the great seal of the United States. You see the same thing in the Statue of Liberty; the Statue of Liberty was created by the same guy that created the Eiffel Tower was sent here as a gift to the United States. And in their own documents concerning the creation of it they said that the body of it was created to be that that to represent the goddess Osiris, Egyptian Mithras. But they said that the head with the spikes sticking up off of it was representing the god Apollo. So once again in these images you have the marriages of the Greek and the Egyptians but they’re all talking about the same god. And in ancient times the obelisk and the giant towering oboist like you see in Washington, DC. And isn’t it interesting they made that obelisk to be…
Sid: And again you’re talking about the Washington monument.
Tom: I’m talking about the Washington monument.
Tom: And you can look it up on the internet or if you visit Washington, DC and go to the Capitol dome you’ll just stand there and look at the Washington monument. And this was created to be the largest one in the world and is it a coincidence that it is 6-6-6 inches high; some measurements say it’s 6-6-6.0 inches high. And at the base it’s 6-6-6 inches wide along each side at the base; I don’t know if that’s a coincidence; I think that there’s some inspiration there being maybe worldly.
Sid: Tell me about the secret plain for the anti-Christ on the US currency.
Tom: Sid, it’s a fact that the great seal of the United States is a prophecy of a global leader who will oversee a New World order. And just so the listeners know that’s not just my opinion that’s also been verified by Masonic-leaders like Manly P. Hall who is probably the most celebrated 33rd degree Free Mason of all time. He called the great seal the signature of the Free Masons. In fact he said that the unfinished pyramid on its reverse side is a trestle board or a blueprint if you will of symbolic task to the accomplishment of which the United States government was dedicated from the day of its inception.
Sid: How do we not know this as I’ve lived my whole life as an American; how come this isn’t all over the news?
Tom: Yeah, well hopefully between you and me Sid we’re going to put it all over the news.
Sid: Oh, I know that; tell me about our US currency, this is amazing.
Tom: Yeah, even Presidents and Vice Presidents have verified that the symbolism on the great seal of the United States is a prophecy about the coming of an end-time leader. And why that should be concerning the Christians is because the god on the great seal of the United States the prophecy the Novus Ordo Seclorum prophecy is taking from the Cumaei Sibyl. One of the most important prophetesses of the god Apollo who prophesied that at the end of time the god Apollo would return giving birth to a new golden age. Well, why should we care about that? Because the god Apollo is the same god that is identified in the New Testament, in more than one place, as the spirit that will fill the end-times anti-Christ. Now I said Presidents and Vice Presidents; for example Henry Wallace who was the Secretary of Agriculture for the United States in 1934. He was the one who brought to President Roosevelt the significance of the prophecies on the great seal of the United States, and then it was Roosevelt that in turn pushed to have the great seal placed on the US $1.00 bill. Both of them were Freemasons 32nd degree Free Masons, but they believed that this was a prophecy that invoked the return of the god of Free Masonry. And there’s a great deal of occultism surrounding this that we can discuss perhaps on another show; but they were believers. And so throughout American history you’ve had scholars, you’ve had road scholars like James H. Billington. Famous names like Charles Elliot Norton who said “When you look at the great seal of the United States it is hardly less than an emblem of a Masonic emblem of a Masonic Fraternity forecasting the return of their god the great god of the universe which is not the God of the Bible.
Sid: And your book “Zenith 2016” it talks about codes; Masonic codes that have been used by our current President and the Presidents previously in speeches… And they believe when they say these things it kind of goes into the atmosphere. Give me one quick example.
Tom: Well, one quick example January 20, 2001 George W. Bush who I voted for by th way, during his first inaugural address; he faced the obelisk known as the Washington monument in DC and twice referred to an angel who rides in the world wind and directs this storm.
Sid: So not just the President but congressmen are using this angel in the world wind which is an occultic masonic term.
Sid: I’ve got a good friend of mine Dr. John Miller on the telephone. He’s a chiropractor from Tampa, Florida. I’m speaking to him at his home right now because he has been studying communion for over 22 years. He has found such revelation that when you discern the body you understand exactly what Jesus did, then partake often every day in communion. You either get an instant healing which is called a miracle, or a gradual miracle which is called a healing. John we were talking about some areas on yesterday’s broadcast I’d like you to help clear up. The reason he’s my guest this week is because this weekend is Passover. As you know the Last Supper was a communion and a Passover meal. If you don’t understand Passover you cannot understand the Last Supper, and you certainly cannot understand communion. There are many people feel they can only take communion in a church with a priest, or a pastor involved in the ceremony. What would you say John?
John: Well that’s contrary to the word of God, but unfortunately it’s in line with a lot of church teaching. Let me read Revelation chapter 1 verses 5 and 6 “And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.” Now this is speaking to everyone in our listening audience that has been washed in the blood of Jesus. Goes on to say “And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be the glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.” Anyone that accepts Jesus Christ as their Messiah is washed in His blood and has been made a priest and a king. Now there are certain obligations that come with being a priest. Before we get into those let me read 1st Peter 2:9 “But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.” If you’ve been called out of darkness into His marvelous light you have been made a royal priesthood. Now it was the priest obligation to give the communion in our churches. We are the temple, so each believer is the residing priest in that temple. Not only do we have permission to set forth the communion out for you and your family, but you have the obligation of being the priest in your home, and being the priest of your body which is the temple of God. So I’ve spoken in churches in denominations where only an ordained pastor in that denomination can give out communion, a licensed pastor, a licensed minister in that denomination can’t even give it. That’s totally not scriptural; anyone that’s washed in the blood is royal priest to God.
Sid: You know what of my little pet peeves is when pastors say “Welcome to house of God.” As if your home isn’t the house of God, as if your body is not the house of God, as if 2 of you gathering together is not the house of God. Sort of like I’ve got to go to that building to get to that house of God.
Sid: Let me ask you another thing. A lot people read the scripture about many eat are eating unworthily, and they say “I’m not worthy to participate in communion, or get a healing when I take communion.” Would you comment on that?
John: Yes, that’s 1st Corinthians 11:29 “For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.” Now I was taught all my life in church if you go to the communion table and eat the bread and drink the wine and you have some un-confessed sin, then you’re eating and drinking damnation to yourself, and that’s not what Paul said at all. He is a pronoun; eat and drink are verbs; unworthily is an adverb. An adverb describes a verb it doesn’t describe a pronoun. It’s not saying that the guy is unworthy it is saying the way he is eating and drinking is unworthy. Jesus said when you take communion do this in remembrance of me. I can remember going to communion table as a young man sitting there thinking “Oh man what sins have I done?” I’m trying to remember every bad thing that I’ve done so that I’m taking communion in remembrance of what I’ve done.
John: Not in remembrance of what He’s done.
Sid: My goodness we humans get things mixed up don’t we John?
John: Yes, and it’s caused people to be weak and sick, and prematurely die, that’s the sad part. So he goes on to explain “He that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, NOT discerning the Lord’s body for this cause you’re sick.” When you do not realize… when you pick up the bread that represents the body of Christ that at Cavalry was made to be sick with your sicknesses, just as He was made to be sin with your sin. When you eat that bread you are identifying with that redemption that came physically through the body of Christ. So it’s possible for people to go to the communion table and eat the bread and drink the wine and leave and never have the benefit because Paul says “They are eating and drinking but they’re not discerning what they are doing.” That’s why there are 2 elements to the communion; the bread represents the body which is associated with physical healing, and the wine represents the blood associated with spiritual healing.
Sid: John you’ve mentioned several times, and the operative word if you will for receiving the benefits of communion is “discerning the Lord’s body.” Help us understand how to discern what the Lord did for us from a passage of scripture that was written over 800 years before Jesus came to earth. It’s Isaiah the 53rd chapter; it is so powerful that in the daily readings in the Orthodox synagogue they read Isaiah 52, skip Isaiah 53 then go Isaiah 54 because they recognize if anyone were to hear Isaiah 53, which was written over 800 years before Jesus came to earth any Orthodox Jew would say “That’s talking about Jesus.” Would you comment a bit about Isaiah 53?
John: Yes. Isaiah was the prophet that gave most of the revelation about what the Messiah was to come and do. He starts off “Who hath believed our report? And to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?” Now that sounds like a very benign little verse of scripture not really saying much of anything, but it’s the most quoted verse of scripture from the Old Testament in the New Testament. John 12 many people saw what Jesus did and heard His words and they could not believe because Isaiah had said “Who hath believed our report?” There were people brought to Paul when he was in prison and he preached and they said “We’re almost persuaded,” but they could not believe because Isaiah had. So unfortunately, some people will not ever get the revelation of what the Messiah did for them at Cavalry. It goes on to say in verse 4 “Surely” now I like the way that starts out because when God says “surely” then there’s no doubt about it, what’s said occurred. “Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows.” Now you being a Messianic Hebrew scholar know that’s a mistranslation. The word “born” is the Hebrew word “nasah” which means remove. So…
Sid: I love that Hebrew word, I have to tell you once I realized that it’s not what it says in English.
John: “Surely he hath removed our griefs” well the Hebrew word there is “Kholi” it’s sickness and diseases. You’ll find that in 2nd Kings 1:2, and Deuteronomy 28:59. So “Surely he hath removed our diseases and carried our sorrow.” The Hebrew word “sorrow” is “M’cabah” which means afflictions, grief, pain and sorrow. So it’s literally saying “Surely he hath removed our sicknesses and carried our diseases.”
Sid: You know that word “nasah” I do want to comment on just a moment. The high priest would put his hands on the scapegoat and put the sins of the Jewish people there, and it would nasah, or remove, the sins away and go into the wilderness. All the sins would be taken it would be removed, and that’s what the Messiah did for us. Oops we’re out of time.
SID: So John, you have five children. That’s enough, you know. But you have this desire in your heart to adopt. And so John and his wife prayed and fasted for seven days, and then some very supernatural things happened. He goes to a concert and he hears the name of the girl he’s supposed to adopt. What happened?
JOHN: I did a concert in Michigan, and I was signing autographs at the table. And this little girl who had been adopted, this family had like six adopted kids, and this little girl came up to me and she asked me to sign her CD and I did. And she said her name was Anna. And I wrote the name on the CD, and as soon as I did, the Lord spoke to my heart and said, “That’s your daughter’s name.” And I was like, is that you? Lord, is that you speaking to me right now? And I knew that if really was God he would confirm it.
SID: What was it, the next day your wife is doing a Bible study about Anna in the Bible. But then the thing that is so amazing to me is the dream that you had. Wow.
JOHN: Yeah. You know, I never had supernatural prophetic dreams that I knew were actually prophetic dreams. But I went to sleep one night and I had this dream that I’m in an orphanage with all, surrounded by all these older kids, and they’re all coming up to me and meeting me. And I see this little girl out of the corner of my eye and she’s shy, she’s not with the other kids. And I looked over at her and I said, “Hey, what’s your name?” And she said, “My name is Anna.” And I didn’t think, I kind of, I knew I was dreaming. And that was not surprising that she would say “Anna” because the name was in my brain already. But what surprised me is what she said next. Because she looked seven years old, and I thought that was old from what we were considering adopting. I asked her how old she was, and she said, “I’m 10.” And as soon as she said she was 10 I was stunned in the dream. Ten? Where does 10 come from? And then my mom, who had passed away a couple years ago, showed up in a dream. And my mom was the first one that I told about it. I said, “Mom, I think I just met my daughter. Her name is Anna. She’s 10 years old.” And then I embraced my mom, wept, woke up crying. My wife is like, what’s going on. I said, “I think I met our daughter and she’s not Chinese. She’s Eastern European.”
SID: But then even more amazing than that, he gets, he’s going to have a little trial adoption. And so he gets a picture of Anna. How did she measure up to the dream you had?
JOHN: Well you know, two days after the dream, we found out about this hosting program. Our friends volunteer with this hosting program called Project 143, where you can host an orphan for the summer or sometimes during the winter break. And they were telling us about it, and we said we’re interested in adoption. And they said, have you thought about hosting an orphan. And we were like, we didn’t even know you can do that. I started thinking, are there any little girls around the age of 10 years old. And then I ended up getting a picture of her. And her name was spelled just like A-N-N-A. They called her Anya, which was her nickname and we found out that she was going to be turning 10 years old in October, you know. By time we had adopted he she was 10 years old. When I saw her picture, Sid, I knew she was the girl in my dream.
SID: Okay. He gets the name of the girl. He gets the age of the girl. He gets the picture of the girl. And then he finds out she has two siblings. Three. And in fact, you just had a son by the name of Israel, one week old. They’re in the audience right now. Take a look. Stand up please. John, you wrote a song about orphans. If you would go to the set right now and sing this song. Because this is, it’s not just on orphans as you might think. Many of us have orphan spirits. Why? Because we’ve never, many of us were raised without fathers. Many of us were raised with fathers that were really absent. And I believe that as John sings this song, that orphan spirit, it’s going to vamoose. It’s going to be gone. “Orphan.”
JOHN [music, singing]: Tearful faith… as best she could, she… I’m forever home. A world away… Jesus gives us eyes to see. Leading us to this that you will make a way for us. Now she’s here from halfway around the world. Because Jesus hears the orphan. He’s moving Heaven and Earth all for one little girl. I heard Jesus coming. Will you go and rescue her all for one little girl. Little did she know we were coming because Jesus hears the orphan. Father of adoption you’ve adopted me. Father of compassion here I am. Father of adoption you’ve adopted me. Father of compassion here I am. Jesus hears the orphan. He is moving Heaven and Earth for little boys, little girls. We hear Jesus calling. Will you go and rescue them, little boys, little girls. Little do they know we are coming. Little do they know mom and dad are coming.
SID: Sid Roth here with Sandra Kennedy. And she had a creative miracle, and out of that creative miracle she learned how to prove God. What do you mean by proving God?
SANDRA: I mean taking Him at His word, Sid. So many people know about God and do not know God, and have not settled in their mind that God is not a man, that He should lie. And if He said it, He will do it. Now it took me a process. We know a lot about God, but it takes us a little while to grab hold that He really is God. And I’ve always said, if God is God then God is God. If He’s God, He’s God, you know. And so that, even as a child that process stayed in my mind, even going to seminary where they were teaching that signs and wonders had passed away, and all that kind of stuff, because I was really taught that. And so but the reality that God had to be everything He says He is, and if His word is who He is, one and the same, then I could take His word, and if He said it and I would believe it, it had to come to pass the way He said it. I call that proving God. It talks about it in Isaiah. It talks about it when he says, “Come let us reason together.” And then when he talks about, you know, “Come and prove your case.” Come talk to me, is the way I like to put it. Come talk to me. Tell me why I should do for you what you say I should do. Take healing for a perfect example. He said that by the stripes of Jesus I’m healed. He says that he’s already done it. He said in His word, heal me. And so if I can believe, grab hold of that, and believe that word, then I can bring that word back. In Isaiah he also says that “His word will not return to him void”. That means that He spoke His word. He spoke it down on the earth. Then somebody has got to pick that word up and return it to him. And so I call proving God picking His very word back up and returning that word back to Him. This is what you said. You said that by the stripes of Jesus I’m healed. You said you said in your word, heal me. You’re the one who said that he’s done all this for me. So I’m holding you to your word. And that’s proving Him. That’s coming in and saying, this is what you said. I’m going to trust you. I’m going to take you at your word and I’m going to learn. First of all, you got to know what the Bible says. You got to understand the Word of God. You got to get in that Bible. You’ve got to understand it. But this doesn’t only work for healing. Now I have seen hundreds, actually thousands of people healed over all these years that God has used me in healing ministry. But most importantly, I see people taking the Word of God and letting that word become a reality to them, and then taking that word and saying, this is what you said. You can’t lie. God is not a man that he should lie, and holding that word back up to God, and I’m expecting you to do what you said you would do.
SID: You know, I have to ask you a question. When you had that tragedy, it’s what it was, with a chunk of your upper lip that won’t grow back, gone, you put scriptures all over. You know the scriptures. Why did you do that?
SANDRA: Because I’m a firm believer through all the years of dealing in healing, I’m a firm believer that we have to start over each time, almost, because we don’t keep the scriptures in front of our eyes all the time. Now Proverbs 4 says to do that. It says to keep the Word of God right in front of your eyes and that it will produce healing. But most of the time we do that based on where we are if you need a healing, physically. Then you will have those scriptures in front of you looking at them. If not, you can be written up in Armageddon.
SID: Now when you put them around, I mean, really describe this. Did you get, was it this size of paper?
SANDRA: Yeah. All sizes.
SID: And where did you put it?
SANDRA: I put it everywhere. First of all, on my mirror. I put it on the mirror in the bathroom and then I put it on the wall, in the kitchen, on the counters, everywhere. Some of them, most of them I would write, just handwritten. I’d make these big notes and I’d put them everywhere I go that I would see them along with a picture, with a picture of me smiling.
SID: Okay. I’m convinced you walk in miracles. But can anyone that is born again, that does what you did, walk in miracles?
SID: Tell me, in your congregation you have a healing center. You have a congregation. Tell me what’s going on with the people there?
SANDRA: You could not name anything that we have not seen God heal. You couldn’t. There’s no a disease you could name, Sid. I don’t care what it is.
SID: What about cancer?
SANDRA: Oh my goodness. It’s the top of the list.
SID: What do you mean the top?
SANDRA: I mean percentage-wise.
SID: Let’s get her out to Duke University or clinic quick.
SANDRA: Percentage-wise, we see more cancer and healings than anything else, percentage-wise. And we’ve seen, I mean, people come off, people with diabetes, people on kidney machines, heart, people waiting for heart transplants.
SANDRA: Nine people already that were brain dead. Plus, we’ve seen fingers grow, feet grow, new body parts. New body parts.
SID: You told me something that’s important. When you walk into someone that’s brain dead or in a coma, you speak to their spirit. Explain that.
SANDRA: Yeah. Well the Bible says that God is the Father of spirits. So you don’t let the flesh throw you. That’s just the house that you’re living in. So you don’t let the flesh call the shots. I mean, at your house that you live on whatever street you live on here, your house doesn’t tell you when it needs painting and what it needs doing. You are in charge of that house. I hope you’re listening. So spirit man, my spirit man lives inside of this body. This is my house. So if you were in a coma I would come in and talk to you as if you were not in a coma. I’d speak directly to the spirit man. I mean, no bars held. I mean, come right straight. I’d say, “Hello, Sid. How are you? And I want you to know I’ve come to tell you that Jesus is here to heal you. I will quote the Word to you. This is what he has already done.”
SID: What makes you think that I’m hearing this if I’m in a coma?
SANDRA: Because I know the spirit man. The Bible says that you and I are made in the image of God, and God is the Father of spirits, and we’re three parts: spirit, soul and body.
SID: What happens when weather comes to your church, hurricanes?
SANDRA: We speak to it. We speak to the elements. We take the same, everything I’m saying to you will work with the weather. It will work with your job. It will work with your marriage. It will work with your children. It will work in an economy that everything is falling apart. It will work if you take the Word. Again, process that Word until it becomes a reality to you. You got to get it out of your head. Get to your heart. You got to drop it out of hope. Get it down into faith. People come to God and hope. You got to move it to faith and you do that by meditating on the Word of God. Getting that word, thinking about it. What does this really mean. I would break the scriptures down. I would look at, He sent His word and heal me. What does that mean? And I would process it. By his stripes I AM healed.
SID: You have two minutes to pray for miracles like popcorn.
SID: For people that are watching right now.
SANDRA: Yes. In the name of Jesus, I tell you right now, all you have to do is remember you’re not trying to get Jesus to heal you. He has already done it. All I want you to do is to accept what he has done with your mouth. That’s how you release your faith. With your mouth, begin to say, thank you, Lord, that you have healed me. Forget about your body. Your body will catch up with your spirit. Let your spirit man rule the body. Don’t let the body rule the spirit. Begin to tell your body what your God has done for it and begin to speak to it in the name of Jesus. Thank you Lord that I’m healed in Jesus’ name. Thank you, Lord, for what are reestablishing in my body. Thank you that power of the blood is flowing through me. Thank you that by your stripes I am healed. I command in the name of Jesus like I did my lip to move, I command my knees to move, my arms to move, any part of my body in the name of Jesus. And then I begin to praise him, Sid. I praise him that he is not a man that he should lie, that he has done everything he said he would do. He did it more. He’ll do it for you. It will work for anybody for anything that you will take it and make God master and Lord over the situation.
SID: Well while you were speaking, the anointing is so strong on you, people with arthritis in your fingers where it hurts to bend your fingers, I command in Jesus’ name those fingers to operate the way God intended.
SID: You do that action now.
SID: And if your back aches, just bend over.
SID: Twenty seconds, pray for cancer, tumors.
SANDRA: Yes. I curse you in the name of Jesus. I mean, every tumor, I command you to shrink. I command you to die. I command you to fall off. I have seen them fall off. You fall off in the name of Jesus, and I life your body from the top of your head to the soles of your feet with word of the Lord that says that by his stripes you are healed.
SANDRA: And God says you are.
Sid: I got reacquainted with someone I knew a number of years ago Renny McLean. Just at the right time I believe it was a moment that God had ordained because I have in my hands his new book “Eternity Invading Time.” And if you really want to understand from Heaven’s perspective how to operate in Bible faith not rules and regulations but an understanding of this realm that God is in called eternity. Renny you’ve had heavenly visitations and I have to believe a lot of this is written in your book from a heavenly viewpoint.
Renny: Oh oh, totally totally is I mean you know when you have an encounter with the Lord your whole view of God changes you know. Anybody who’s had an encounter with God I can tell you you’re not judgmental. Because when you had an encounter with the Lord what you seen in His eyes is compassion. I mean He looks at you and knows everything about you and he’s not condemning you.
Sid: You know I’ve shared some personal things with Renny and actually I did it on the air this week but they’re personal prayers that I pray almost if not every single day of my life. And one is to walk in the compassion of the Messiah; I believe as you believe Renny before the Messiah returns there will be men and woman raised up that will walk in that type of compassion.
Renny: Oh, I believe that because the manifestation to the power of God’s glory is really and truly revealed through the love of God. And you know when it comes to the place where He’s loved becomes us you know my goodness nothing is impossible we’re walking in the realm with no limits.
Sid: Now when you say “Nothing is impossible” it’s one thing to someone for someone to parrot that expression but it’s another when what I see on what goes on in your various meetings even at a young age you saw dead people come to life. You’ve seen a number of dead people come to life, but tell me just kind of whet the appetite of some creative miracles. For instance, I read here in a meeting you had in Dallas there was a lady in a wheelchair who had a 5 inch pin in her leg.
Sid: And she had a great miracle; tell me about that.
Renny: Oh, what happened was we had been in the meetings for 3 nights while we were in 3 nights of meetings I clearly remember that was the night where wheelchairs were emptied. You know people were walking and deaf people were hearing; blind people and cancer were being healed. So faith was already high and you know when it’s already high I mean people can believe anything. And it was the night where people could literally believe anything; I just looked at this dear sister who had been coming to the meeting every night and she had a foot brace on and I said “Take it off.” And you know she obeyed me; she obeyed the Word of the Lord and she took it off and I clearly remember when she took it off she walked. We didn’t realize though the magnitude of the miracle we were just attracted because she could walk again and she was totally healed. Well the following week when she went to the doctor and came back to the church testify she said “Well I had one of the most interesting testimonies you’ve ever heard.” And she said “The doctors cannot find the pin that was in my leg;” it was 5 inches of tin or steel, or whatever they call it. When she went into the hospital and they had it examined all they saw was five inches of brand new bone.
Sid: And that should not be so strange when I read the Bible especially in light of the book that you’ve just written “Eternity Invading Time.” As you state in your book “Eternity God’s realm is drawing closer to our realm called time.”
Sid: I have to ask you a question through Renny “How do you personally view God, How should we view God?”
Renny: Okay I’ll tell you I love that question you asked me because this is where I think the church has to redefine what it talks about. Number 1 there’s a word I want to introduce to our believers and the it’s the word to conceptualize and it means nothing more than to teach us something in its original form. Now if we see God in natural terms God is out of context; if you see God in the supernatural than God is in context. The problem is we’re trying to make somebody supernatural; we’re trying to make Him natural and He’s not natural. And unfortunately in the west we really have done that down to a science. Isn’t it funny God probably saying “Don’t you find it funny the very definition of the word God means a supernatural being we want supernatural ability and He demands to be worshiped.”
Sid: And you know what in our Spirit filled charismatic churches…
Renny: Oh my goodness.
Sid: We’re not seeing the supernatural we’re hearing the talk about it.
Sid: But we’re not seeing the goods and people they go there long enough they learn literally unintentionally we’ve been discipled in unbelief.
Renny: Oh, you are preaching, you are preaching to the choir because I’m telling you Brother Sid I believe today I honestly believe today that when most of us preachers preach from the pulpit we honestly are ministering to educated unbelief. Because it’s unfortunate to say this but it the naked truth. If the truth be told this is what we’re dealing with; we have educated the unbelief of the believer to the degree that the unbelief of the unbeliever is now stronger than the actual faith in God. And so we have relegated God to a natural form to something that He isn’t; so God really and truly is out of context. That’s why it takes a revelation for you to operate in the miraculous; you can’t operate in the miraculous with common sense. See I’ve often said this Bother Sid see unbelief is the product of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; your unbelief reveals what tree you’re eating from because when you’re eating from the tree of life you’ve got nothing but faith; nothing but faith. And you got more sense to believe God than you have to doubt God. And you see I often say this “When reason is absent faith is present; when reason is absent God is now.” And even as I say now right now when reason, oh my God I just feel His… when I say reason is absent faith is present that means the miraculous is possible here and now. Everybody listening to this broadcast or this radio interview; everybody right now I’m saying to you right now “All things are possible to you right now as you stop trying to reason how God’s going to do a thing if you just let Him do it.” Oh my goodness gracious me you’ll find He’ll do it in more ways than one. I’m telling you the miraculous power of God is present right about now; because when you’re heads out of the way God will start to move. The most brilliant mind of our time was a man call Einstein. It was said that he used 12% of his brain 12%. And they say that we today use 8%, don’t you find it strange brother Sid that all of modern discovery that we know of today; the greatest inventions that have come about in the last 100 years. And don’t you find it strange that it’s come about with 8% knowledge. Can you imagine if we have 8% use of our minds today can you then imagine what Adam had before he sinned? We are practically retarded in comparison to what Adam was; so today Adam’s legacy to us today is unbelief, fear and doubt. But Jesus Christ Yeshua died on the cross and really and truly opened back that realm to us; the realm where there is no time.
Sid: You know one of the hottest things in secular radio are talk shows. Can you imagine if a man or a woman of God moves in this realm proclaiming the true gospel no mixture but the true gospel it’ll be the hottest talk show in America; in the world.
Renny: Oh, I believe it, I believe it but you see Sid it’s what you said to me earlier we have a seeker friendly church. And what’s happened today is this if you look on television today and you listen to a lot of radio broadcast right now do you not notice how the world wants the supernatural that’s why the psychic phenomena in America is so big. The reason why it’s so big is because the church rejected the ministry of the prophet and that’s why the counterfeit took off so big and made a huge killing off of it. So if the false prophet can generate that kind of income and keep his kingdom going my goodness what would the ministry of the prophet do in the church today?
Sid: Answer this question, why is it that the biggest Spirit Filled churches in the land most of the pastors have tight control and do not want change?
Renny: The reason being because I would say their scared of God showing up; because we don’t have a problem that we’re defining God in what God means we have a problem when He shows up. Because when God shows up He shows out; and I’m telling you that when God shows up He exposes everything. So the secret of it is that we got to just let go and let God. And that’s such an easy catch phrase to use. That is so real to let go and let God because until we let go; until we let go God doesn’t manifest Himself. And if the truth be told we really and truly is I’d say you know it’s a hard statement to say like this but I just got to say the truth. It really boils down to a control issue; that’s really what… you know Sid that’s really what it boils down to. It boils down to a control issue so the question is “Is Jesus Lord of the Church or is the Pastor?” That’s really what it boils down to.
Sid: You know that your speaking truth right now Renny but the presence of God is so strong now right I believe that and we’re just about out of time, but I believe anything could happen. I see ears popping; if your ears are popping and you hear better guess what’s just happened, you’ve just been healed. But you know on tomorrow’s broadcast by faith we’re going to get Marina on that’s Renny’s wife and her ministry is worship. And Renny what happens when someone is truly worshiping God?
Renny: Oh, when somebody’s truly worshiping God you become in harmony with God and when you become one with God through your worship cancer dissolves.
Sid: Okay mishpochah consider yourself challenged. I want you to understand this thing called life in this temporary period called time from eternity’s viewpoint God’s realm. Don’t miss the next move of God’s Spirit there is such truth in this book that so few Christians understand.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be so mentored in the Word of God that no matter what happens in the United States or the rest of the world it’s not going to affect you; it’s not going to happen to you because you are walking through faith and the integrity of God’s Word, not with a mental knowledge but in your heart. And I asked Don Gossett I want you to do a couple of things. Let’s start out Don today I would like you to just tell me by memory healing scriptures; just read about 10 or 12 of them, or perhaps you can even read it from one of the scrolls but just speak the word of healing for a couple of minutes; would you do that?
Don: It’s better healing has been such a faith builder and share in a broken down way the letter of the alphabet and in the scripture “Attend to My words incline thine ear to My sayings let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart for they are life to those who find them and health to all their flesh.” And letter B “Beloved I wish that above all things that you may prosper and be in health even as your soul prospers.” And on and on the whole 26 letters of the alphabet have an accompanied scripture and that’s where the faith building process comes in is speaking the word. The Word of God itself; Jesus said in Matthew 8 “That the greatest demonstration of faith that He’d experienced was the Centurion servant to whom Jesus simply said “When a man says speak the word only and my servant will be healed; “He had not found such great faith in all Israel.” And speaking the word is a key to the release of faith for faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. And I’d like to accompany this with the fact that I urge people every day on my broadcast heard internationally to join me. I’d say “People let’s take a praise break, it’s time to pray for your anxieties, your oppressions and focus on Jesus.” And the Word says that “God inhabits our praises, He lives and dwells and manifests Himself.” I’d say people let’s begin right now to praise Him, join me as we say “Praise the Lord, 10 times.” And the results have been so astounding; I mean it’s been almost overwhelming to hear testimonies I’ve received from people everywhere.
Sid: Well, let’s do it right now, let’s do it 10 times Don. “Praise the Lord,
Don: “Praise the Lord, “Praise the Lord,
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Don: “Praise the Lord.
Sid: “Praise the Lord.
Don: “Praise the Lord.
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Don: “Praise the Lord.
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Don: “Praise the Lord.
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Don: “Praise the Lord.
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Don: “Praise the Lord.
Sid: “Praise the Lord we praise you Lord, we worship you oh God.
Don: “Praise the Lord.
Sid: “Praise the Lord Jesus.
Don: “Praise the Lord Hallelujah!
Sid: Don I believe there’s a… I can feel a stream of the Spirit of God an if you will pray the prayer of faith and you believe right now you ask God to heal you of a specific condition whatever it is. Don I’d like you to pray a prayer of faith for those that are standing right now for that miracle.
Don: Lord Jesus, You said that where two of you shall agree on earth as touching anything they ask it shall be done for them from My Father in Heaven. And I agree with every person who is afflicted with infirmity of any kind cancer, diabetes, heart trouble, high blood pressure, people who are deaf or blind; people who are oppressed by paralysis in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I take authority over every spirit of infirmity. My brother, my sister receive God’s gift of healing; it’s yours to receive and be made whole in the Name of Jesus. Amen.
Sid: I’ll tell you I don’t see how any sickness could stand against that, but what God has done in Don Gossett all the thousands of miracles he’s witnessed in his life he wants to do in you but he doesn’t want to take 60 plus years he wants to do it quickly. Don tell me about what the devil meant to be a tragedy of your daughter when she was on a missions trip with you; tell me what happened to her.
Don: Yes we were coming from Nairobi, Kenya where we had had weeks of meetings and attended thousands of people. We were on our way back to America and during on the flight my daughter she sat in a different location that I did and I went back to see her and she said “Dad I’ve been vomiting repeatedly.” Then I just laid my hand on her sort of casually and prayed a father’s caring prayer but it wasn’t real depth at the moment. But then when before the flight arrived about a half an hour out of London the flight attendant came and said “Mr. Gossett your daughter has become very ill, she’s hemorrhaging virtually in every opening of her body and we have notified the London Airport, Heathrow Airport to meet the flight with a wheelchair to take her away. Well we got into the Heathrow Airport, they took her into medical examining room after about an hour a doctor came out and said “I’m sorry, we’ll have to take your daughter across the city to a hospital that specializes in tropical and infection diseases we think that maybe what her problem is.” So I asked if I could accompany her and they said yes. So we went in this ambulance across London when we arrived at this hospital a medical team came, they were all ready for her and they took her to an isolation room. I was not permitted to go in at the moment but after maybe another hour or so a Dr. Clark came out and said “Mr, Gossett I will do our best for your daughter but the prospect isn’t very likely, we don’t know exactly how to treat her because it’s not our ability to understand.” He said “You’ll have to leave but we’re going to give you 20 minutes alone with your daughter in the isolation room.” So I walked in that room and I said “Judy we haven’t got time for deep intercessions and I’m just going to speak the 26 letters of the alphabet of healing over you.” I then began to break them down step by step and apply to her condition in the Name of Jesus. I left after I was convinced that the Word of God was being confirmed and I went back to the hotel where I called several times to see how she was and the next morning and finally they said “Well, there’s 12 doctors around your daughters bed we don’t have a diagnosis of what the problem is.” So then this call came from this Dr. Clark and said “This is amazing, it’s like we had two different women in that bed, but now yesterday she was so afflicted every part of her body was just oppressed” and said “We gave her no medication because we didn’t know how to medicate her but said now “her blood pressure is normal; everything about her is free of pain; we are just now dismissing your daughter we’ll be putting her in a taxi and taking her to Heathrow Airport to meet you for your flight back to America.” And to me it was one of the nicest of nice has become a small word of gratitude that God touched my daughter and it was a mighty transformation. I mean it’s to me one of the most pronounced miracles I’ve ever witnessed is how my daughter being so critically afflicted; was given virtually no hope and then suddenly the power of God came upon her and she was instantaneously healed. But it was the action upon God’s word that alphabet of healing; anybody who needs healing for your body just as it was for me when the aneurism struck my body we spoke that every day for 6 weeks virtually and the healing power came and the aneurism dissolved from my body. And I praise God that it’s a real wonderful miracle and so these are truths that I know God will honor.
Sid: Now my understanding of scripture is, the closer we get the return of the Messiah, and if you haven’t looked up lately we are getting close. The closer we get to the return of the Messiah the more false Messiahs, false religions, false cults and if there’s any expert around on this subject I have him on the phone right now. His name is Bob Larson; you’re probably familiar with him through his television show or his books. I’m speaking to him at his office in Phoenix his International Headquarters is in Denver, Colorado. Bob from the time that you started investigating false religions and cults and New Age groups, you say there’s been literally an explosion of the numbers explain.
Bob: Well, I’ve been looking at this phenomenon for 30 years. When I started investigating it even 20 – 25 years ago there were a few hundred groups to which people could turn for alternative religion explanations, but the smorgasbord of spirituality is exponentially increased over the last couple of decades and in the last decade. So that there are 1000′s upon 1000′s of variance of belief out there. The point that I try to make Sid is that today everybody wants to be spiritual; nobody wants to be a nothing. They all want to believe in something but they want to make it up on their own; they want a little bit of this a little bit of that and that’s what is so dangerous about the religious marketplace today.
Sid: You know I had a phone call, this was actually a number of years ago, and a friend of mine that I lead to the Lord and I have to tell you that most of the time when I lead someone to the Lord I don’t have an experience. I had an experience when I lead him to the Lord and was almost like God was so pleased there was such a high call of God on his life. And then I get a phone call from him and he said “Sid I’ve got the answer and because you helped me I’m going to help you. I have just got involved in the course on miracles and it’s so wonderful.”
Sid: Well, I knew enough to know that it was a New Age ugly dark course no matter what they say.
Bob: Oh yes.
Sid: But I didn’t know the details. So I am so grateful that you came out with your book of “World Religions” a book of spirituality all the facts about 100′s of cults. I’m looking through the index of your book right now and I see a course on miracles. Now I have other books I must say that do what you did however none of the books are as thorough as yours and none of the books are as simple as yours. Did you do that on purpose making it so simple so that anyone could understand it?
Bob: Well, I really appreciate your kind comments; when we approach this said we wanted a USA Today style and grammatical form of communication. And the USA Today, which is the nation’s most popular and best read newspaper, aims at a certain reading level and it aims at a certain style that allows you to quickly digest it. So that’s what we try to do with this book so that anybody at any time could pick it up and in a few minutes have a fast answer to be able to respond to friends and love ones who get messed up in this stuff.
Sid: Well, let me ask you a question if I had had your book which I did not and my friend called and I could have grabbed your book off the shelf while I was talking to him and looked up course on miracles what would I have known about that just off the top of your head.
Bob: Well the first thing you would have known about it is that this book was given by demonic inspiration through spirit medium ship and automatic handwriting. So you would have known that there was a demonic source through this it’s not just somebody idea of religion that they wanted to invent. The second thing you would have known is that it’s very subtle in that it encompasses a lot of Christian belief’s practices, doctrines and ideas, but it twists them so it’s very deceptive it seems extremely warm and fuzzy but underneath it it’s deadly.
Sid: Let me ask you something even more important because if we don’t understand this will miss a lot of what the devil is up to. There is a catch phrase that you can’t turn on TV without seeing this catch phrase or seeing something illustrating it. It’s called “The New Age Movement.” Now many years ago over 30 years ago when I was Jewish and unsaved I was involved in what was called the occult, what is the difference, if there is, between the occult and the New Age Movement?
Bob: Nothing really except that the New Age Movement is sort of a public relations arm of the occult and it’s much more eclectic approach to it. It borrows from a lot of different traditions particularly eastern and mystical traditions. It is the same end result, it the same appeal to the ego for internal enlightenment and person spiritual development to find the god inside of all of us; but it’s much more deceptive. It’s not just out there it comes at you in the guise of religions development and the betterment of your spirituality and that’s what’s dangerous.
Sid: Well you know in Christian circles I have a great number of Christian friends that are involved in, people they call it Therapeutic Touch, what is that exactly?
Bob: Therapeutic Touch is a form of spiritual healing and massage therapy and there are variations.
Sid: But people get massages and say “Oh that person must be praying for me” but they’re not it’s not the same as a Christian prayer.
Bob: Oh no not at all and of course some of the most dangerous forms such as Reiki are outright demonic and they involve the calling upon the infusion of and the distribution of energy. This energy is not defined but it supernatural and they claim all sorts of emotional and physical healings as a result of it. In fact you can’t get a nursing degree in America most institutions today unless you practice Therapeutic Touch. Now what people need to know is that Therapeutic Touch they don’t actually touch the body, and so some of the more advanced forms of massage therapy they’ll touch you some but the real energy work as they call it it’s not touching the body it’s moving the hands over the body to redistribute the energy and bring spiritual balance.
Sid: What about my friends that say “I don’t do the occult areas of yoga I just do it for the exercise and it’s been proven it’s good exercise;” what would you say to them?
Bob: It’s hard to give a short answer in that but let me point out a couple of things. With yoga specifically you’re dealing with a millennial old religious tradition that is steeped in the belief of spiritual enlightenment. It’s interesting just this morning I took my bicycle in for repair and I’m standing there waiting for him to put a new inner tube in my bike and here’s a shelf with all the biking trips you can make in this area. And right in the middle of this is this yoga brochure. So I picked it up, and now this is typical, the first several stages that they invite you to participate in are essentially physical in nature but right at the end they talk about spiritual development, enlightenment, and get in touch with your inner self. If a person just innocently walking in a bike shop doesn’t expect to get a message from the devil about spiritual enlightenment that we know opens people up to demonic forces.
Sid: And that’s basically my question “What if someone’s intent is honorable and they get involved in yoga because they want the exercise and they actually feel better with the way they breath and the way they bend their body excreta what is the consequence?
Bob: The devil does not care why you do what you do and your intent is absolutely irrelevant to the spiritual legal right that Satan is looking to claim over your life. So when you align yourself with a religious tradition and a system that is…
Sid: But the person will say “I have nothing to do with the religious tradition.”
Bob: Ah, but you do have something to do with it. Implied consent is enough for the devil to begin to attack and harass your life spiritually. And you give implied consent by affiliating with this system even though that’s not your intent it’s part of the system and you can’t make it extent from the system you can’t divorce it from the system. You want to divorce it from the system but it can’t be divorced from the system.
Sid: Let me ask you from a another perspective it is know, because a great deal of your ministry is setting captives free, or the deliverance ministry; have you ever prayed for people that have picked up demons from being involved in some of things we are talking about?
Bob: How many hours do you have Sid? (Laughing) I could tell all kinds of stories; let me tell you just a couple or maybe one now and maybe one another time. I was in a conference and I was talking about this very thing and a little lady at the back a sweet gal I think was about 20 -21 and she raised her hand… She said “Excuse me Mr. Larson” but she said “I’ve taken massage courses and they’ve had me do some of these things you don’t think the devils in me in anyway do you?” And I said “Well, let’s pray for you.” And so she came to the front and I said “Would you be willing to renounce all of this?” And she started to speak and her lips froze and it just petrified her and she said “I know I need to renounce this but the words will not come out of my mouth.” And the Lord spoke to me and said “Take a Bible and just put it on the back of her spine and touch of each of the seven chakras. Now the chakras are the psychic enlightenment and energy centers that you find in yoga and eastern religions. When I touch the back of her spine and I just began to move the Bible up the back of her spine she began to shake, she began to tremble, she began to cough, she began to have what we would call demonic manifestation; she began to choke. It really shook her because she realized that there was something deeper here. We prayed over her and as we did this she begin to realize what she’d gotten involved in and she got free from it through the renunciation of it. That’s just one story of many I could tell you.
Sid: Bob we’re out of time right now.
Sid: I’ve been so looking forward to my guest I’ve known him for many years his name is Lance Lambert. He has lived in Israel since 1973. When I think of my good friend Doctor Derek Prince, I normally think of Lance Lambert because Derek lived in Israel and Lance lived in Israel, they’re both prophetic into what the scriptures have to say about the last days. Recently as you know, Doctor Derek Prince went home to heaven. Lance, what were… I know you spent time with him just before he was promoted, what were Derek’s thoughts about the nation Israel, the future, and the United States that he articulated to you?
Lance: Well Derek felt very strongly that Israel would face very much more suffering and trouble. I think the withdrawal from Gaza is just one aspect of that since he went. He also felt very very strongly about the United States that although there were so many good things about President Bush’s administration, he felt the United States was on a collision course with God.
Sid: It’s interesting you’re saying that, I have a close friend Lance I don’t know if you’ve ever met him, his name is John McTernan and he’s given me several articles; he’s the one that God originally spoke to and showed a direct correlation between the United States doing something against Israel, and almost within 24 hours there were judgments that had occurred from hurricanes to stock market problems, to even 911. The greatest skeptic who looks over how many times and how it’s so close to an ant-Israel stance would have to say “There’s something very supernatural when United States goes against Israel.” Have you looked at those reports that he has?
Lance: Yeah I don’t know John McTernan personally, but I do know his writings, and I’ve had I believe a might say even a letter from him. At one time when I was thinking what I said in one of my updates was fanciful. He said “Don’t say it’s fanciful” and he sent me all these correlations of events. I must say myself that I believe the United States is in a very very dangerous position. She is in the same position that the United Kingdom, Great Britain, was in 1946.
Sid: For those that aren’t familiar would you paint us a picture of what happened to Great Britain?
Lance: Britain began as a great friend of the Jewish people with the Belfour Declaration they supported the Aliyah in the last part of the 19th century, and the beginning of the 20th. When they got the mandate from the old league of nations, they opened the doors to Jewish immigration. The land was basically depopulated all the nonsense about it being packed with Palestinians was absolute nonsense, it was a pretty well depopulated country. Added eroded swamp land much else, but then they began to become afraid. I think that in the British Foreign Office and Colonial Office there were those who felt that the Belfour Declaration was a terrible mistake. They couldn’t say it officially because it was official policy, but they worked to undo it. I think it’s anti-Semitism, anti-Semitism in my estimation is not something to do with the head, it’s not academic it’s a heart thing, it’s a spirit. I think that gradually they worked with one white paper after another closing the doors to the Jewish people in the 30’and 40’s when they most needed a place of refuge. Of course lost 57 members, 58 members of my family including my father and grandmother in Auschwitz.
Sid: Because of course Lance you come from a Jewish background. Tell us what repercussion occurred, and by the way, it’s so obvious now looking backwards that literally Great Britain was playing right into the devil’s hand to destroy Jewish people, almost as if they were in league with Germany.
Lance: They weren’t of course. They were fighting a war with this huge force in Europe Nazism fascism, and they felt they were alone because America didn’t come in until the latter part of the Second World War.
Sid: I know you’re a real historian, why did America drag their feet?
Lance: Basically because of isolationism, the Americans didn’t see why they needed to get involved with a European problem. So they held off till toward the end. Now Roosevelt felt all along they should have come in, but he was unable to do it. It was Pearl Harbor that brought them in when the Japanese sort of bombed Pearl Harbor.
Sid: But as Great Britain literally put a vice on the Jewish people to stop them from getting to Israel. What repercussion did it have on Great Britain.
Lance: Well the fact was, in the end Air Force, the Navy of Britain became, as it were, the enemy of these poor people who were trying, the remnants of the holocaust, trying to get back somehow to someplace where they felt they would be safe. I think… I remember very well when I was first saved I sat in the church meeting in Richmond Surrey, England and I heard Allen Redpath on a Sunday morning and he got very very steamed up about this. He said “As surely as I stand here God is going to judge the British Empire and Great Britain for what she is doing to the Jewish people.” At that point RAF was literally bombing some of the refugee ships. He said “Britain will be an offshore island as a result of this.” I saw people get up and go out and I thought it was because he was going on a bit longer than normal and they lunch appointments.
Lance: I found out afterward from other friends that these who were people great patriots and couldn’t believe that Britain who had fought this war and was doing it, they thought, for the Jewish people that some pastor would stand up in a pulpit and say that “God would judge Britain.” But of course I lived to see I actually witnessed it myself, at least from Britain I saw the moment on the 14th of May 1948 Israel became a nation amongst the nations again a recreated Jewish state. At the very same time the British Empire fell apart the cessation of India, then the African countries, then the Southeast Asian countries and so it went on and on.
Sid: Okay, now let’s bring this to today. The US where as I believe our president happens to admire Israel, I believe our president happens to want to help Israel but he’s very misdirected in reference to Israel. He’s got this two-state solution he’s pushing it, he’s ramrodding it through. What effect is going, I’m a citizen of the United States, what effect is going to have on my country.
Lance: Colossal! It sounds in one word colossal! Because in my estimation Sid, God made a pack with our forefathers and He was explicit, it’s in Genesis 17. He said that He would make an internal covenant with them and would be their God. Then He went on and said “I will give you the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession.” Now when people tell that was only till the coming of the Messiah what in the world does the word “everlasting” or “eternal” mean unless it means something that will last forever. I mean why did the Lord use a temporal, or another word why call it everlasting and eternal if it isn’t eternal and everlasting?
Sid: You can’t pick and choose. It’s either God’s word or it isn’t, and if it’s God word follow it.
Lance: Absolutely. Another thing Sid is this, we forget, or it sounds a bit sort of up in the air, but we forget God is I AM, not I was, nor I will be, but I AM. That means that as far as… God lives in the present. Whereas, we live with the past, the present, and the future, but God is always in the present. Now that means when He made that pact with them it was as if He made it this morning. Now suddenly you get countries, presidents, other big prime ministers saying “We must change all this…
Sid: I’ll tell you what Lance we have to hold that thought. We’ll pick up on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Joan Hunter; you’re probably familiar with her parent’s Charles and Francis Hunter, known as the Happy Hunters. Joan was privileged to minister for over 30 years with their ministry. She’s seen every miracle imaginable, and miracles are normal, healing is normal. She has written a book, and we have offered and read many books on healing, but Joan I have to tell you your approach is different really than any I have ever seen. How did you come up with this approach where you come up with each disease, you explain exactly what’s going on, how to minister, how exactly to pray; even more important than that, why is it so important to be so specific, why can’t you just say, and you said this earlier in the week you put your hand on someone you say “Jesus” and they’re healed and it happens many times. Why did you get better results when you’re more specific?
Joan: The greatest example I have of that is when… I have 4 children they’re now grown, 4 daughters they’re now grown, and if I went into the game and I said to all 4 girls “I need the living room vacuumed,” they probably would not respond, but if I went in there and I said “Charity I need the living room vacuumed.” Charity would get up she would go in the other room and she would vacuum. Me being specific to my children I got a greater response. The same thing goes the more direct we can be to the name of the disease, the location of the disease, it’s like a Holy Ghost laser going in and the name of phlebitis is lower than the name of Jesus. When we can direct it toward the power of God… the power of God directed right into the person specifically for that disease then at that point… you have greater results I mean you have a greater result when the laser hits it right on the nose as in comparison to the surrounding areas.
Sid: Okay, on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about an amazing chapter you have in your book called “The Immune System and Electrical and Magnetic Frequencies.” We know many people are selling these mattresses and these things that go on the body to get things… the patterns right. Talk a little bit about that, and what are some of the diseases that are a result. By the way we are not selling mattresses praise God! We’re telling people how to pray in the name of Jesus and see the same results. So explain it briefly, and tell me what types of diseases people might have as a result of this.
Joan: Many times there are unexplainable diseases, or untreatable diseases. That right there is a good start. There are 2 main things that bring on diseases, number 1 is stress. Eighty-five percent of the people that go to the doctors go as a result of stress. Stress itself can affect the electrical and magnetic frequencies in your body, thus it will show in pains here, pains there, diabetes, heart problems; if your body is in harmony and balance in the area of electrical and magnetic no disease can stay in your body.
Sid: What about things like insomnia, could it affect that?
Joan: Oh bi-polar, insomnia, I mean there’s probably 50 diseases in here that are a direct result of the imbalance of our body either electrically, magnetically, or chemically. Cause the food just doesn’t have the quality of the vitamins it used to. So we can even be obese and yet starving ourselves to death.
Sid: Okay, let’s just take that specific situation. If that is the root cause of the particular sickness that someone has what do we do about it?
Joan: It’s a very simple prayer, it’s very easy and we emphasize that throughout all of our teachings in the miracle services and everything. Once again if I can do it you can do it. This book has just outlined it so easily that anybody can do it. When you pray for the electrical and magnetic frequencies in a body to come into perfect harmony and balance then no disease can stay in your body, and it’s very very simple.
Sid: Now I want you to do this for real and I’m gonna pray along with you, and I want everyone listening to pray along with us.
Joan: It talks about there are many many locations in the body where that the immune system and the lymph system goes, and this is all explained through diagram and everything. It is important that we pray for the immune system to be restored.
Sid: Give me one very brief example, a specific person you prayed for this way and they got healed.
Joan: Fibromyalgia, I could oh probably a hundred people that were healed of fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, sleep apnea, and…
Sid: Sleep apnea? I always thought that was a physical thing.
Joan: Well all the diseases are physical brought on by emotional, and when a lot of times when there is stress in the body it will shut down the proper electrical and magnetic frequencies in our body.
Sid: Okay, let’s pray.
Joan: Okay. Father in the name of Jesus I command all the electrical and magnetic frequencies in everybody’s body who is listening to this program to be in harmony and balance in Jesus name. Amen, that’s how simple it is.
Sid: My goodness you sure you don’t want to get a little more complex? [Laughing]
Joan: No because then I wouldn’t be able to do it. [Laughing]
Sid: I mean you have prayers here even… marriage. Tell me about one person that prayed a prayer in this book, or you prayed for a person in this book. Tell me what happened to their marriage.
Joan: We just prayed over them, and we prayed in addition to what’s in the book is that they would be sensitive in a greater way to each other’s needs, and that their ears be open, and God has healed their marriage. I can’t even begin to tell you…
Sid: Alright but what about if one spouse reads the book and is willing, but the other spouse is not. Would it help their marriage?
Joan: Yes! That’s on the one of putting your, I don’t remember exactly what chapter is at this point, but laying your family in different situations on the altar of God. What happens is so often we try to become… we want to be God’s agents, but we become more than that. In the process of laying our children on the altar, laying our spouse on the altar giving them, for example, I lay my husband on the altar “Father he is Yours I’ve tried to fix him it didn’t work and in Jesus name I thank you that You’re gonna fix him. Father I thank you for fixing me, and I’m gonna take care of me and You’re gonna take care of him. I’m gonna be the best Godly wife there is, and Father it’s up to you to change him because I can’t and I’ve tried.”
Sid: Okay you have a chapter that intrigues me immensely because I know that is what I want God to do for me. That is walk in compassion. None of these other motives that might be in there when I pray for the sick, I want to pray for the sick because my heart is breaking for them. I know this can only come from God. Do you pray for people to be able to walk in God’s compassion?
Joan: Yes I do. When I go around the country I do anointing services and I pray over people, and I pray for them to walk in the anointing the transference of the anointing…
Sid: Can you do this over the radio right now and over the tape?
Joan: I can sure pray, you know, it’s God that does the anointing.
Sid: Yes, but it will be just as effective.
Joan: I have no doubt on that one.
Sid: Okay let’s go for it.
Joan: See the anointing depends on your receptivity. For those that want to walk in the blessings of God, want to walking in the anointing, the anointing is there.
Sid: Alright our time is slipping away.
Joan: Okay, Father right now in the name of Jesus, and everybody put their hands on their eyes. Father I pray right now in the name of Jesus that their eyes be enlightened to the people that are around them that are sick. Put your hand on your heart, Father right now in the name of Jesus I pray that they have a heart of compassion towards those who they see and that you will love through them in Jesus name. Father I thank You that their mind is anointed, their ears are open, and Father that their hands are anointed as they lay hands on the sick, they shall be healed. Father in Jesus name let Your anointing fall on all ears that are listening in Jesus name. Amen.
Sid: Amen. Well I’m expecting that there’s a whole army that has just been raised up that are going to be doing exactly what you’re doing.