Sid: My guest is Julie True. Julie is a modern day psalmist. As a matter of fact, Julie if I was to say to you, what is your purpose in the Kingdom, how would you respond?
Julie: Right now it’s to infiltrate the earth with sounds of healing.
Sid: And that’s why you work a lot in healing rooms and healing rooms around the country use your music in soaking rooms. You know, that’s kind of a new concept for a lot of people, soaking to anointed music. Why don’t you explain what that is.
Julie: To me, soaking is, it always involves music for me. It’s a time to quiet the soul, but to be awakened in the spirit to hear the heart of God in that moment and to interact with Him in a very personal way. And so, it’s like letting go of everything that is in our everyday business and just letting God saturate us. You know, I believe music can actually permeate our cells. The cells of our being and bring change in our bodies and in our spirits and souls and bring healing that way. So that’s what it is for me.
Sid: Well, I believe the light of God just flows into an individual. Jesus is the light of the world and it is sort of like in the sound waves. They penetrate a person when, they vary, so many people like to either sit in a comfortable chair or even most people like to lay on the ground. I know people that are moving so fabulously in this supernatural that they get their revelation; they get their intimacy with God through soaking.
Julie: That’s right. We jokingly say BYOP bring your own pillow. Sometimes when you come to soaking people will be laid out on the floor or some people will be writing in their journals and getting all kinds of revelations from God. But you know, He speaks to us in a still small voice sometimes and so you have to be quiet and you have to quiet your soul. And for me it has been a time of letting God increases my spirit man so that my spirit is the leader and not my soul realm, which is all about my emotions and my will and all that. And so, yeah it changes you and you get closer to the Lord.
Sid: Now I understand your son has all sorts of developmental delays and that must be very hectic for you, Julie.
Julie: Well, yes. I don’t know how anybody can make it with any kind of the things we go through in this life without having communion with God and having connection with God in a spirit to spirit way. But for him, my son, he is all about soaking himself. He loves to have peaceful music and music where he can sing to and it actually helps him speak. That’s one of the things I am noticing that’s helping him be healed is that he can sing much better than he can speak. Because of his speech has been delayed and so I believe God’s healing him through the music and through the process of him even singing along to CD’s, mine and others you know.
Sid: You know what I find fascinating? We interviewed before this interview, a woman that is a counselor in a substance abuse counselor and a number of other specialties in the secular and she is also a Biblical counselor. And the interesting thing is she plays your music and as she plays your music the people are being set free.
Sid: Let’s go to that interview: I have on the telephone, Mari. We’re not using her real name, because she is a state certified substance abuse and mental health counselor from a biblical foundation and she is going to talk about some confidential things. But she saw Julie True on “It’s Supernatural”. Got her music and now she plays the CD “Breathe You In” in the background when she does group counseling or individual counseling. Why do you play that in the background, Marie?
Marie: Well, it basically helps usher in the presence of God in my group settings.
Sid: Tell me a few things that have happened to people that are sitting with this presence of God in the counseling place situation.
Marie: Okay, well the first time I tried this was in a group setting of about twelve people and we were doing an exercise on forgiveness. I had them write down all the people the Holy Spirit was leading them to forgive, as kind of an experiment, I thought well, I’ll put on this music because it really brings in the Holy Spirit into the setting. So, I began to play, I believe it was “Yes, You Love Me” from that cut, it was a cut on “I’ll Bring You In” and as the people began to work. They were given pencils and papers to write who they needed to forgive and as the music played, I looked around the room and almost all of them were visibly moved. Some were weeping, some were sniffling, and then you could see that the Lord was doing this deep, deep work in them. And after the exercise I went through one by one and asked each one . Okay, what did the Lord do for you? One woman was able to forgive her parents that were really neglectful to her. One man was able to forgive a rapist of his daughter. One man was able to forgive the Federal system that had wronged him, he thought. So it was very, very powerful.
Sid: Marie, tell me about the person that was addicted to pain medicine for twenty years.
Marie: Yea, this young man was in that group that night and I didn’t see much happening with him. He had had an abusive father and he later told me that as a result of that session with Julie’s music he did on deed, forgive his father. Well, that was in January and in April, we were having another session and he had told us that he had been on oxycotin, oxycodone for almost twenty years. He had been in a terrible car accident when he was younger, his leg had almost been completely severed, but he was in terrible pain. So he had felt like the Lord, had told him to quit this medication and he did ,but he was going through withdrawal and of course, he was left with this pain. So when he came to group and announced this, we said okay, let’s go ahead and pray for you and he was instantly healed. Previously, this young man had some extreme anger issues. He would jump out of his car and accosts people driving down the street when he was angry. He was angry at his mother, his father and through the course of time and the use of treatment and Julie’s music he has greatly improved.
Sid: You also do secular counseling that is not faith based. Tell me what happened when you exposed them to Julie’s music?
Marie: Well, in this particular group, this is several people who have substance abuse and mental health issues. And so I used Julie’s music again, “Yes, You Love Me” that just talked about the love of the Father and as that played two people began to just totally weep and weep in the group. One of them was homosexual, he was homeless, he had HIV, he was alcoholic, and he had a mental illness. He really had a lot of problems and he began to just weep, and weep and weep. And I said, what is going on? He said, oh that music, I don’t know why I am weeping I just feel so emotional and I know that the Spirit of God just touched him in that setting just from his reaction.
Sid: Thank you, Marie.
Played Julie True’s CD “I Hear the Sound”)
Sid: We put together a mini soaking kit, its two music CDs by Julie True. Trust me, my favorite soaking music called, “Breathe You In” and “Sounds of Healing” plus a bonus, Cindy Parton did a teaching, I asked her to do this of the basics of soaking. She spent 15 yrs. they’ve had more visions and experiences with God. She’ll teach you how you can have your own experience God. How you can hear God’s voice. How you can soak; were making that as a bonus.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Caroline Leaf, and Caroline, you were saying that the brain, just like it says in scripture, is divided wisdom, is in seven pillars. The brain is divided into seven pillars. And tell me what these pillars do for us.
DR. LEAF: Okay. So there’s seven pillars of thought. We’re a thinking being. We’re thinking all day long, even at night, and we think the results as thoughts. So as we think we each think in our own unique. And so what happens is the brain has got these seven pillars and as we are processing thoughts, like when you digest food or when a form is developed it goes through stages. Same thing with your thinking. Your thinking goes through seven different stages. So each part of the brain, for example, the front part of the brain we would call your interpersonal type of thinking, which deals with your deep thinking and so on. Your second part deals with this and all the different areas of your brain deal with something different. So each of the seven different parts. So deep thinking at the front and then more communication going towards the middle, and more logical towards that part, going to movement, musical, instinct, right to the back where we see visual spacious kinds of pictures and images. So as you are listening to me now your brain would be cycling through these seven, but in your own unique way, and that’s what’s unique.
SID: How fast?
DR. LEAF: Very. Every one to two seconds you will cycle through all seven.
SID: But it’s the combination that makes me unique from you or from you.
DR. LEAF: Exactly. It’s how you move through. So you may start at the front and then move to the back, and then move to there. I may start over there and then everyone starts at the front. But I may go there first and then go back to there. It’s just the amount of time as well that you spend.
SID: Okay. I took your test and it’s a simple test. You don’t pass or fail. It’s true or false and it’s very easy. And I took it and I have my results here, and I want you to tell me whether I’m suited for what I do. My highest one was Interpersonal. The next two–
DR. LEAF: If you wouldn’t mind stopping right there. Let me show you what that is. In other words, what happens is the second part of here, this is your interpersonal area in your order. The first one opens the door to receiving information.
SID: That was the highest.
DR. LEAF: That was your highest. So your highest, there’s no good or bad. So whatever is low is also good. It just shows you the order that you cycle through the seven and then the score simply tells you as well how long you spend in each. There’s no wrong pattern. Every single pattern is fantastic, wonderful, superb. So everyone can rest at ease because often people think, oh my goodness, I must get higher. No. Whatever you get is fantastic. So you will open the door to receiving information through interpersonal, which means that you like to ask questions and get in people’s heads, and get information in your own head through a lot of communication. And that’s why you’re a great host, because you start communication. You start getting to know people. That’s why you like to do the radio interviews because you like to ask questions, and it’s through asking questions–
SID: I have to tell you, when I read what these things meant I said, that is a pretty good test. I’m doing what I’m supposed to do. Now the next two, and they were both identical, was, as far as the numbers, was intrapersonal and linguistic.
DR. LEAF: Okay. So then what happens is you cycle, it always starts down there. So you cycled immediately to that and then you went back down there, then you cycled to here, the front. The front is intrapersonal. Intra is deep thinking, introspection, decision making, going inward. And you do that. When I watch you, you do that. You’ll ask a question and then go deep inside yourself to actually analyze and interpret that information. And so your second part helps to build a temporary memory. So you ask questions to get the information in your head. And then as you deep think you start forming a memory. Then your third one down was–
SID: Was linguistic.
DR. LEAF: Linguistic. And now that is more or less over here.
SID: But actually, the second and third were the same numbers.
DR. LEAF: The same. That can happen because it’s, tests in my clinic takes, in my clinical practice is a thousand questions. So you know, we would be able, all you do in this case like that, Sid, is you would just go back and redo the two sections and say, okay, is this an acquired skill or is this really me? And in that way you’ll distinguish and you’ll find one or two questions that you may change. ‘Cause very often we muddle up what we’ve acquired, what people learn through experience, through life with what we really like to do. And so there you’ll be able to distinguish. But let’s assume that your intro comes out second and your third, and they can be very close. They can be a point percentage. It doesn’t matter. It’s absolutely fine. So your third one was linguistic which is more or less over there. Linguistic is words. It’s the spoken and written word. And I’ve watched the way you interview. You’ve got a lot of information, lots of words. So you’re using, now your third one down is where you start to consolidate information. So now I’ve received through the first one, through asking questions. You have started building a temporary memory through going deep down inside yourself and then you’re gonna shift over to words, written or spoken words, where you are consolidating, getting that memory like kind of fixed, getting it in its place, connecting it with other memories. And what’s your next one down?
SID: Well I just wrote those three down.
DR. LEAF: Okay. So that starts describing, now you would still, so in every one to two seconds, every time, all day long, two and half thousand to 3000 times an hour, up to 60,000 times a day, as you are thinking, you’re gonna shift all the time there, there, there.
SID: Okay. I can see a young kid and you’ve given me so many examples. And when I did the radio interview of young people, that you as a mother, your own child, as a mother, understood by understanding her thinking process. But what about someone 70, 80 years old? Would it help them to know their gift?
DR. LEAF: Absolutely. Like you said, we’ve got four children and as a mother I believe I’ve become a better mother by understanding my children. I’ve had people in my clinical practice sobbing because they said, “I’ve always believed I could do that.” So to show someone that you are gifted the way you think, this is brilliant. This is what it looks like. I’ve printed out a graph. And you can do that. You could enter it into PowerPoint and print out your own graph, and see about that. I did a lot of work in schools.
SID: But when people block their gifts.
DR. LEAF: Then it’s a problem.
SID: Then what happens to them physiologically when their gifts are blocked?
DR. LEAF: Well when we block our gifts we actually use our gift. Gift is our unique way that we flip through cycles through all of these. The result of that is we’re going to build memory. So we’re gonna use a tree here to show memory. This is a tree because the nerve cells of the brain look like trees. So we talk about the magic trees of the mind. So my results of using my gift will be a creation. Now the creation that I create in my mind, because my brain is neuroplastic, which means it can grow these branches and change them, could be like this, which is the normal, natural, or it could be a negative looking tree, which I call a toxic tree or a gift blocker. It could be this black tree, a gift blocker.
SID: So if our gifts are blocked and we build memories that look like this, what happens to us physically, socially?
DR. LEAF: That is considered a gift blocker. That throws our body into stress and we don’t think clearly. Wherever I have inflammation, like for example, if I have this kind of set up more or less in this part of the brain over here where I’m pointing to now, it’s called the ACG, anterior central gyro. So I’m just using this as an example. Now that’s the part of your brain that shifts between thoughts. It’s called the gear shifting of the brain. If I have a toxic thought bolt over there, as I’m cycling through those seven loops, I get there and it’s like a big nog in the road. If you have a big tree trunk that falls over the road the highway has got a crack in it and you can’t drive through because of a big hole or if there’s a bridge you can’t–
SID: Listen, the example of the road cracking, and I’ve put my tire over that, I don’t want that. I don’t want my gift locked in any way. I want to express myself. I want to be at peace. I want to be in health. I want to have good relationships and I want to find out about these gift blockers. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.
Sid: Okay, help me to understand, you’re in the hospital, at least it’s the Holy Spirit Hospital for six months in the cancer ward. What’s that like you hear people in pain and agony.
Dave: Oh yes, you don’t go to the hospital to sleep. There was noise constantly.
Sid: I know I have been in the hospital. That is the worse place for someone sick.
Dave: Yeah, there was constant noise. I would hear people crying out in pain at night. Depending what type of cancer they were battling I was in the cancer unit.
Sid: By the way, why did they give you chemo if you had a death sentence?
Dave: Well, they wanted to give it every shot they could but there was no guarantee that it would work. I had a very aggressive chemo treatment. I had seven days. I had cancer so they fight fire with fire. They came at it with constant chemo 24 seven for seven days.
Sid: Did your hair fall out?
Dave: Pretty soon. I woke up one morning and thought a dog had been sleeping on the pillow and realized that that was part of me. So it wasn’t long till I lost, not only all the hair on my head but, my eyelashes, eye brows. Didn’t have to shave, looked like Elmer Fudd. I Didn’t have to do anything.
Sid: I love what God showed you about losing your hair.
Dave: Well, he did. We had people in the church that were praying “Lord don’t let a hair of his head be harmed” and they were quite disappointed when they found out that my hair had fallen out. But I felt like the Lord said, I want you to claim a hundred souls for every hair that left my head. So I shared that with the church on a video, one of the guys brought a video camera into the room and taped me. While I was talking to him that hit me and I pointed to my bald head and said do not be discouraged because these hairs fell out. They are coming back but, were getting 100 souls for every hair that’s fell out. So that continues to be a battle cry in our church.
Dave: Now when you heard people in the cancer ward crying out with pain and agony, there was even one man you talked about that was cursing. Tell me about him.
Dave: He was pretty miserable and he would curse at his wife, curse at the nurses. And one morning I was sitting in the visit room. They would let us out of our rooms when visitors weren’t there and we could take a walk to the sun room, the visiting room. And I would sit in there with my Bible and read in the morning and this guy came in and he walked over to me and he was pretty surly he looked at my Bible and he said, “So you believe that thing?” And I said I trust the one who wrote it and he said, “Well read me something.” I happened to be in Isaiah and I read a portion of Isaiah to him and I looked up and the man was crying. And I said, He can do this, He can do what He says here. He can heal you. He carried, He carried your sicknesses. Can I pray for you? I prayed for him and I will tell you he was a very caustic man but, I prayed for him and we will see if that works. He didn’t even have any strong expression of faith but, he walked out of the room and within about a week there was a knock at my door and there he stood in his street clothes and his wife and he said well your prayers worked preacher. I have no more cancer.
Sid: Shalom Mishpochah, shalom family. Mishpochah is a Hebrew word and it means family and we’re the Mishpochah. The family with a Jewish heart made up of Jewish and non-Jewish people where the middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile it’s has finally come down to form what Paul, he’s literally besides himself and he says in Ephesians the second chapter the reason Jesus came was to break down this separation between Jew and Gentile. Not to have an ecumenical bless Israel meeting, although that’s good but to form what he calls the full dwelling place for God, the One New Man. We need the Jew in the Body and the Jew needs the Gentile in the Body and that’s why Jesus prayed; I pray that they, Jew and Gentile, the only two people groups alive at that time, might be one so the world will believe.
My guest, Dave Hess had a death sentence from a doctor. He thinks he just has the flu or something. He takes a simple blood test and they say you have one of the most aggressive forms of leukemia, you’ll probably be dead in a month. They put him in a hospital. He has an aggressive form of chemotherapy , they don’t think it’s is going to work. They are doing the best they can. But, of course Dave has a secret weapon, he knows the Lord and he has his friends that know the Lord and they are praying for him and some very supernatural things start happening. I mean, he started out with all his healthy blood cells. They are called white blood cells, not one of them was normal. Not one. So he has this aggressive chemotherapy that they’re doing because there is nothing else they know to do. They don’t give it much hope, but one of your main doctors, a female doctor. Tell me about her.
Dave: She is a wonderful woman. She herself had been a survivor of cancer and when she shared with me the diagnosis she had such great compassion for me. She was from a very staunch religious home, a wonderful religious home but, her own confession will be that although she knew of the things of the Lord, she did not encounter and experience the heart of the Lord. And through watching the Lord minister to me, not only to my body but, she watched the peace that He spoke to me. She watched the joy that He gave me, the honey in the rock, the sweetness of His presence in the hardest of times. She was just stirred and it’s like chords of love were drawing her closer and closer to His heart and in the course of my time in the hospital and my interaction with her and other believers it’s like the Lord did a love ambush on her life. And He sent all kind of people into her life who loved and knew Jesus and her sons are being drawn to the Lord. Threw it all she came to this place of knowing Him and experiencing His love and His forgiveness and developing an amazing…
Sid: But, what about your cancer? What did she write on your medical report?
Dave: Well, when the whole thing came down, when I’d been through the burst appendix, the high fever and the days of real uncertainty where my body would rise and fall, and it looked like it might be the end. When it came to the very end of it all, when every ounce of leukemia was gone from my system, on the last page of the report she wrote: chemotherapy deterred the spread of leukemia in this patient’s body but, God brought the healing. So I’m finding that doctors are not our enemies. They are really out to see healing, but, more and more and more doctors are encountering the power of the Lord, the power of the Lord, the power of His compassion and the of His great healing anointing.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here and welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I was just talking to Nic and Rachael Billman, and they travel all over the world with people like Randy Clark, who have just awesome miracle meetings. And as far as I’m concerned, you guys as psalmists set the stage for miracles. I mean, what is, and by the way, this is gonna be hard for you to believe, they’ve known each other forever. Is that true?
SID: They started leading worship at 13 together. They’re both PK’s, pastor’s kids. What is your heart? What do you want to see accomplished when people worship the most high God?
NIC: Well I think the think about worship and being a worship leader is my job to hear what God is singing over the people, like Zephaniah says, “God sings over us” and then to release over the people in psalm, and get the people to sing back to their Father. So it’s a connection of the Father and His children in worship, more than just singing songs because the words are on a screen.
SID: But how did that intimacy, I think all things are possible.
RACHAEL: Yes, that’s right.
SID: And just before we went on the air I told them I had been listening to this new CD called “The Least of These” and there’s one song that I love. I absolutely love. It’s called, and you’ll love, just by, and a little later on we’ll have a montage of some of their songs and you’ll hear this. It’s called “Come Find Me”. Tell me about that song.
NIC: When we were leading worship–
SID: And by the way, they write their music while they’re leading worship. I mean, it’s not like you’re home at night and you write out every note.
NIC: Right. It’s all spontaneous to begin with. And this was one of those songs. We were leading worship at our church with just a few friends one night and we were actually singing like Halleluiah, holy, just high praise. And then all of a sudden I was in an open vision and I saw all these alive churches and they were saying, “God we want to see you. We want to hear your voice. We want to know you.” And God responded, and I was taken to the streets, and I saw all the poor and the homeless, and the sick. And I heard His voice say, “Then come find me.” And we began to sing the words in Matthew:25 because it’s about the least of these. And so the song, “Come Find Me” is about if you want to see God, if you want to have an encounter with God, then go the least of these and you’ll find Him there. Jesus identified himself as the least of these. The passage in scripture, it said, “When I’m hungry you gave me food. When I’m thirsty you gave me a drink.” And Jesus said that identifies himself as these people.
SID: It’s not difficult to find Jesus, is it?
NIC: No, it’s not. It’s not.
SID: Now when they worship God the way they’re doing it in their own unique fashion, the heavens open. More healings than you can count occur at their meetings and people hear angels. They hear supernatural instruments. Tell me about the time you heard the piano when you were just late at night worshiping God yourself.
NIC: Yeah. It actually kind of scared me because I was leading worship, just me, just my guitar at our church at maybe midnight. And all of a sudden I hear a piano playing, and I thought surely there’s nobody here in the building. And so just because I was curious, I walked out the hall and looked down to the sanctuary and nobody was in there. So I thought, okay, I go back and play, and I hear it again. And this time it’s louder and there is nobody in the building at all. Nobody was playing the piano. And because of that, we wrote a psalm, “I’ll Join the Angels” because we realized, you know, there’s worship in Heaven 24-7, non-stop. And so when we worship we’re just synchronizing Heaven and Earth and we’re joining in with what’s already taking place in the spirit.
SID: You know what I believe? I believe that when you guys and others that love God lead worship there’s a whole band of angels that are worshiping. If you’re dancing, they’re dancing just like you do.
SID: If you’re singing they’re singing just like you are. In fact, tell me about the time you did this home recording and found a voice on there.
RACHAEL: Nic and I have a worship room. And it’s just a room that we just sanctify as our time that we’re gonna spend with the Lord in this room. And so we do. We have, we’re able to record in there. And so one day we just decided to see what would happen. And so we just spontaneously started singing “Alleluia”. And Nic’s just singing, and so I joined in with him and I’m singing, too, and we’re just kind of echoing over each other. And that was it. And so we got into the car after this and we were headed to a ministry event, and we were driving in the car playing the CD, just a home recording type thing. And so we were driving in the car and my son says, “Mommy, who’s that other man singing with you and Daddy?” And we’re saying, “What do you mean?” We didn’t hear anything, you know, when we had first listened to it. We didn’t hear anything. But, you know, what happened was Nic was singing and then over top of it we just started singing in the spirit, and then you can hear this shouting. After a while it was like, “Ho, ho, ho!”
SID: Those angels must have been excited about you worshiping God. That’s what I think.
SID: And how do you know it wasn’t just a fluke in the recording?
NIC: Well we went back and listened to all the tracks and it’s not there. It’s not on any of the tracks in the recorder.
SID: So how do you explain that?
NIC: It’s supernatural.
SID: And by the way, if you have never heard angels singing we’re gonna include that with “The Least of These”. But people have reports of hearing instruments like my favorite instrument, the shofar, do you hear many reports of people hearing shofar blasts?
NIC: Yeah. In fact, we had a lady that emailed us and she said, “I love that you incorporated the shofar into your CD.” And I looked at Rachael and said, “There’s no shofar in the CD.” And she had a place where she had heard it in this song at this time But it’s not there. But we have it a lot where people say, I heard a shofar. I heard a tambourine.
SID: I think the angels are worshiping with you two. That’s what I believe is going on.
SID: I believe all of Heaven is worshiping, and when they worship miracles take place. Don’t go away. Be right back after this word.
SID: Hello, Sid Roth you investigative reporter to the Supernatural here with Bill Johnson. Bill, can anyone move in the power that you move in?
BILL: Absolutely, absolutely. It was meant for every believer
SID: And one of the things that intrigues me is you have a school, you have put on seminars, and the people get activated almost immediately. Pull one person out – tell me about them.
BILL: In our school, it’s a school that trains people in the supernatural, and we also have our conferences throughout the year; youth conferences; and we take the youth, we train them, and then we send them out into the streets with someone from our school. So one particular instance, a young lady from the Nashville area took three, I believe it was three young people to our mall; and taught them how to find people who needed a miracle. And we just tell them if they have crutches or a cane or whatever, then you ask if you can pray. So, there was a young girl there about nine years old that had crutches. They asked the mother can we pray for your daughter and she said sure. Well the girl was immediately healed. And the mother was so moved she then turned. She said will you pray for my husband, pointing to the man standing next to her, and then she said my daughter has never heard her father speak. Come to find out he was deaf, he was dumb, he was mute – he was unable to speak.
SID: Wait a second these are just students – this is heavy weight stuff.
BILL: Yes, he lets people break in at the top (laughs), and they began to pray for him and the first thing that happen was his ears started to open up and the young lady from our school looked at him and says you are going to speak and began to pray for him. God loosed his tongue and you can imagine the tremendous joy that hit that family that day.
SID: Tell me another one, this is so good.
BILL: We have a lot of miracles that take place in public places; a lot of things like deafness that will get healed.
SID: Now you think in terms like going to a Benny Hinn meeting, going to a church, but do you see as many as happen inside as are happening outside?
BILL: Well, because of the amount of people that are in the church, we now see, that are obeying God and taking risks, we now see more miracles outside of church than inside of church, but they continue regularly.
SID: You I think that there supposed to be outside the four walls.
BILL: Absolutely, that’s what we work for is we content to bring it in everyday life.
SID: And, see what I’m hearing you say, what gets me so excited is when you do a miracle in a public place, then all these non-believers are looking at the miracle and you have grabbed their attention to proclaim who caused the miracle. I mean it’s a no brainier. That’s the way it’s supposed to be, but we substituted a cerebral type of presentation rather than a power presentation.
BILL: One of our young men felt the presence of God come on him in a grocery store; he found someone to pray for; the man was instantly healed. He had three back surgeries, in tremendous pain, and he took the man into the parking lot, put his arm around him and started to yell in the parking lot: this man has just been healed by the Lord Jesus Christ, and two people came to that event in the parking lot and received Christ.
SID: Bill there is a presence of God that has just entered the set, and I believe that you can pray for people right now and they are going to be healed, can you do that?
BILL: I would love to, I would love to. Father I ask that the presence of the Holy Spirit be released throughout this entire viewing audience. And I come against that spirit of infirmity that has kept people locked up in disease; that devil of arthritis, cancer I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. And for those who have been in accidents, that have been afflicted for twenty or thirty years or longer, God we pray for your mercy to invade those situations and again we come against the spirit of infirmity that has sustained the effects of this accident. I rebuke you in Jesus name and we release the healing grace of the Lord throughout this land. God our cry is for you to raise the water level in the church for the miraculous where Jesus receives the glory because we just obey and do the stuff. God I ask for that in the name of Jesus.
SID: You know Bill, as you were praying that I literally felt like I saw someone with a neck brace, or one of these collars you know from having been in an accident. If you’ll just take it off, you’ll find that you just don’t need it. You already are back to better than before you had your accident. Bill, I believe that God has given you a very, very special presence and I believe in the impartation of this presence. Would you pray for those who want more? Is that you? Do you want more? I’m going to ask: at any cost, that’s the question. Do you want more at any cost? Tell God, don’t tell me, don’t tell Bill; tell God he’s the only one that can do this. People are still being healed; I mean it’s almost like popcorn right now, Bill I want you to pray for those who want more at any cost. And by the way, I’m going to grab your hand because I want to get in on this.
BILL: There is somebody who was in an accident 18 years ago; specifically 18 years, and you’ve suffered with problems in your spine, I think it’s going down into the hip area as well; and 18 years have gone by and the Lord is going to release a healing grace for that right now. If you get up and try to do what you could not do before, you’ll find that the Lord has restored what is impossible to restore. Let’s do that let’s pray for that release of grace. Lord we pray right now in the name of Jesus for the release of supernatural grace; the grace for miracles, for healings, for deliverances, to increase throughout this viewing audience; for your church of this nation; for the nations of the world. God help us to stand in that place and release that grace for miracles, the grace for miracles; the signs that point to you. Let them be released throughout the church in greater measures. We cry for that in the name of Jesus, Amen.
SID: You know what I believe? I believe that if you sincerely hunger and thirst for righteousness you will be filled. And righteousness is intimacy with God. It begins with intimacy with God. It is intimacy with God. It ends with intimacy with God. The truth is it never ends you just slip right out of your earth suit and go to heaven. But you have a job to do here and your job is not to look at the back of someone’s head in church for fifty years. You are to do the works of the Messiah. Number one: repent of your sins; tell God you’re sorry. Number two: ask for his help to overcome these things in your life and say with your own mouth I make you Lord Jesus; come and live inside of me. And then: pray like Bill prayed. I want more at any cost; I mean literally give God no rest, get desperate; make your life count. Aren’t you tired of the same old same old? There is nothing more exciting than two things. This is the prayer in my heart I’m going to have to tell you the prayer in my heart is. God I want to hear your voice and I want to be obedient. I really do. I mean this life is just a blink of the eye compared to eternity. Why would you want to waste it? The highest adventure in the world is walking with God; it’s for you, it’s not for special people – it’s a special God.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Mel Bond. And Mel, the doctors told you and your wife that you only had one chance in 100,000 of a normal child. You had three stillbirths, or three miscarriages and a baby born deformed. And why did you continue trying to have children with that doctor telling you that?
MEL: Because we believe in the Word of God and we stood on God’s word. And so during the night session I was awakened and I see this demon. It was over the top of my wife’s body, the lower parts of her body, and faster than almost than you can think, I mean so quick, it was like I could see throughout infinity out towards the east, eastern skies, and I see this angel come rushing out of the east, and it came down and wrestled with this demon, and then running off out into the southwestern skies, and at that time we were living in St. Charles, Missouri. And then that angel came back and he got on his knees, and he put his hands in the lower parts of my wife’s body. And we have three perfect children.
SID: How were you praying back then?
MEL: Well to the best of my ability with my whole heart. But more than anything we were just standing on God’s word. We just said God’s word is truth and we’re gonna believe it.
SID: Tell me, when you raised your children, did you teach them about discernment, and did they move in discernment?
SID: Did they understand deliverance? Tell me about that.
MEL: I would teach my children, as soon as they began to understand and talk, that I would tell them that if they would have flus, colds, fevers, the typical things that children get, and I’d teach them, this is a spirit. This is a demon spirit. And I’d come in there in the bedroom many times during the night session, and that was my job. You know, my wife would do the other things. But I’d come in there and then I’d pray and they’d break it. They’d break it. And I’d say, “Now if that spirit tries to come back you just take authority. You just say, ‘In Jesus’ name, you can’t stay.’” And you’d hear them, the little girls in there, talking in their voices and saying, “Jesus’ name.” Even one time my middle daughter, her name is Chantelle, she was about three years old, and she says, “Devil, if you come back I’m gonna squash you like a bug.”
SID: Out of the mouths of babes. I’ve got a report here, medical report on one of your daughters about her eyesight. She was legally blind. Tell me about that.
MEL: Okay. She was legally blind. And, you know, Jesus said in John 16:24, he said, “If two of you ask nothing in my name ask and you shall receive that your joy will be full.” Well that word “ask” means more than your just speaking out of your mouth. It says “to crave and to demand what is due.” Not demanding God, but to demand the devil get away. “And that my joy be full.” Well my joy can’t be full if my child, if my baby daughter, Caress, she’s blind. And so I got some charts, legal charts, eye charts, and I began, and so I prayed for her. And I looked into the realm of the spirit and I see that the demon spirit of blindness, I command it leave. And so she had perfect, better than perfect eyesight. Better. And so she went back to the medical doctor, and you have the reports.
SID: Speaking of medical doctors, tell me about that heart surgeon that came to one of your meetings.
MEL: Okay. He was a person that, he said he was a Christian. But he just didn’t believe in healings and miracles. And he came to a service in North Carolina, and he said that, well the upshot of the whole thing is let me start back. That I was preaching and when I was preaching I didn’t know these people. It was the first time I had ever been to this church in my life. There was 300 people, something like that there. And I look back and I see this man. I see in his chest and I see the demons, and I can tell you where they were wrapped around his arteries on his heart region. And I just told him, I said, “You got problems here,” and I described it. And I didn’t say it was a demon. I didn’t want to scare him. Some people get scared by that. And so I just said, “There’s a problem here.” And I told him where it was intricately. And then I said, “I’m gonna get rid of it now in Jesus’ name.” And so I did. And then he got real excited and he says, “I felt that! I felt that!” And he says, “I know it’s God because I feel so much better.” And then he made the statement. I think he said he’s a heart surgeon. He says, “I’m scheduled to have open heart surgery to do exactly what you said.” He says, “I want to know where you got your training.” I says, “I just got my training from Jesus. He lets me look inside the spirit world and see, look inside the bodies and see if there’s things wrong.” And he says, “I came to this service to prove that you were a fake.” And he says, “Now I know that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever, and that healing and miracles are real.”
SID: You know Mel, it’s wonderful that you move in this supernatural gift of discernment. But when people read your book or they attend your conferences, do you get many reports of people that start moving in these gifts of discernment?
MEL: I would say immediately. I just came from Japan where I did a Masters conference and I had some very incredible ministers that are even friends of Dr. Paul Yonggi Cho that said this is the greatest meeting he’s ever been in his life, and it’s only 45 minutes, a small meeting. And immediately, in there, I think there was like 95 percent of those ministers, and here we have a language barrier. And there was like 95 percent at least.
SID: Started moving into discernment.
MEL: Immediately they started seeing in the spirit world and seeing spirits, which is so important, because people need to realize that’s the root of all of our problems.
SID: Now you talk about love conquers the devil.
SID: Love stops the devil. Explain that.
MEL: In the natural world, natural-minded people, if they see a spirit it would horrify them, because it’s a dimension they’re not familiar with, that they’re not schooled in. So they don’t believe in it. And so Satan doesn’t know about love. Love is a dimension, God’s unconditional love is a dimension that Satan knows nothing about. It’s the secret place of the most high God. And so when we operate in love that we get into a dimension that absolutely torments the devil, and it’s one of the greatest forces. Because what is love? God is love. He is unconditional love. And I think that’s one of the major reasons that the devil fights people getting in love. If you read in 1 Corinthians 13, it talks about the nine gifts of the spirit. The devil knows if he fights all the gifts of the spirit, he’s got nine battles on his hands. But it says, “If we don’t walk in love then none of the gifts are…” So he knows all he has to do is fight us, keep us from operating and living in unconditional love. Then none of the gifts work. None of them work or are factual.
SID: So that’s probably why his problems between husbands and wives, parents and children, whereas if he can stop this love he wins.
MEL: He stops it all. That’s right.
SID: But if someone moves in love it mystifies him.
MEL: Absolutely. We actually, when we walk in love we are walking inside of God. That’s the reason the Bible says, “Walk in the spirit.” When we walk in love it’s just like we’re encased by God. We’re in the sacred place of the most high God. What’s the sacred place? Remember when you were a kid you played Hide and Seek?
MEL: The greater that you can hide then you can’t be found and the devil can’t find us if we get in God’s unconditional love.
SID: Okay. Last thought.
MEL: Well my last thought that I’d like to bring out is in the Book of Mark, the Bible says, “The rich young ruler came to Jesus.” And Jesus was giving him the greatest opportunity that he had ever had in his life. And Jesus said there was only one thing that kept him from that, that he wasn’t trusting God. That he had fear of trusting God with his finances. And so what I want to say, it’s the same thing today. I’d be willing to say that a hundred percent of the time there’s only one thing, and it’s a demon. There’s only thing that keeps people from experiencing the grand finale that God has for them in this life.
SID: I’ve never looked at that, the rich young ruler, that way. So you believe that there is an evil spirit behind just about every physical illness, every problem between people?
MEL: I see it, Sid. I see them. I see them. The Lord has shown me how I can do this at my will any time that I want. And I see it. I wish people could see it the way I, and I can train people to where that they can see, too, because it’s all in the Word of God, that there’s over 700 verses just in the New Testament where it validates, 2 Peter 1:3-4, where it says, “God has already given us all things that pertain to this life and godliness.” What’s godliness? God likeness. You’ll know the truth and the truth will set you free.
SID: Do you know the truth? The truth is Jesus died in your place for your sins. And every rotten thing you’ve done your whole life, everything you’re guilty about, the blood of Jesus will wash away and make you clean if you tell him you’re sorry. And then when you’re clean you ask the King of Love, Jesus, to come and live inside of you. Who wouldn’t want love, pure love, God’s love living and radiating through you. Make Jesus your Lord. Do it now.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Mel Bond. And Mel, one of the things you told me is that demons prevent believers from being all that God’s called them to be.
SID: Explain a little more.
MEL: Oh I’d love to talk about this for two hours, but we don’t have time. But basically, the Lord showed me that until a person, a hundred percent of them wants to be rid of this problem, that demon still has authority and he’s still can rule. And so I’d like to say people within the sound of my voice, ministries you’ll never be and people will never be everything that God wants you to be, and you’ll never have everything God wants you to have as long as there’s one percent of you that doesn’t mind that fault or that problem that you’re dealing with. If you don’t mind it being there you’ve got to with your whole heart, the Word of God says that “You will find me if you seek me with your whole heart.” If there’s one percent, those demons, they know, and they have rights to stay there, and you know they’re still there. And so they need to with their whole heart live for God, and then they can have everything that God wants them to have and be everything that God wants them to be.
SID: You know, what you’re saying is true in a thought with me. A friend of mine was watching the Oprah show and there was a woman that was a well known country singer that said as a child she had thoughts of being a lesbian, and she prayed to God and God didn’t take it way. So she felt that’s the way God made me. I love God, but this is the way God made me. Do you believe that that’s a demon that perhaps she had that one or two percent holding back?
MEL: Absolutely. Here’s one of the things people don’t realize. We are at war with the devil. 2 Corinthians 10, the Bible says that “Tho we walk in the flesh we do not war after the flesh. The weapons of warfare, they’re not carnal, but they’re mighty through God.” And then it goes on and it teaches us this is the progressional step of how people become demon-possessed. It’s first thoughts. And after thoughts then imagination, then the stronghold. And so we’ve got to get rid of those thoughts, because those thoughts are after. They’re gonna open, I call thoughts demons that are door-openers. That if we keep entertaining a thought he’ll open up the door to let a worse demon come into our life. Then we become obsessed. And then after a period of time of being obsessed we become possessed of the devil.
SID: Mel, tell me about the time that you had chest pains.
MEL: Okay. This goes back, if you remember the interviews prior, people who listen to this, back in 1973, when Jesus took me down that corridor, that demon, that big tall demon that was trying to claw my eyes out, well I started having chest pains earlier than that. It was in 1972. In fact, it was October 22, 1972, and I started having chest pains, horrible chest pains. I thought I was gonna die. And I fought those chest pains for many years. And then it was right around 1990, that I woke up in the middle of the night and I had see that same demon that was in that corridor and he had his right index finger in my chest wrapped around my heart, and it was just like what woke me up was because of the fact that I had such horrible chest pains, worse than they had ever been, and it was like I knew I was gonna die any second. It’s just like I knew that I knew, that I knew. But when I woke up because of the pain I see that demon standing over the top of me with his index finger wrapped around my heart, and faster than machine gun bullets again, the spirit of God spoke to me and He says, “You don’t have heart problems. It’s that demon. Get rid of the demon and the problem is gone.” And so I rebuked him. I told him in Jesus’ name, “You have to leave.” And then immediately he started pulling his finger out of my chest very slowly, and by the time he pulled his finger, as he was pulling his finger out of my chest that the pain decreased. And then when it was totally out and he was standing there he started just disappearing right in front of my eyes. And within, it probably took about 20 minutes to half an hour, and all the pain left, and just micro portions of it, I mean just microscopic little hints of it would try to come back every now and then for maybe a couple of years, and I knew it was that demon. And so I just said, “No, no, no, you’re not coming back. In Jesus’ name I have authority over you.” And it would leave. And so now it’s been, my goodness, I don’t know how many years, not an ounce of any kind of chest pains or any problem.
SID: Well in your own life the doctors told you and your wife you had one chance in 100,000 of having a normal baby born.
MEL: That’s right.
SID: And I’ll tell you what, when we come back we’ll talk about that. Don’t go away. Be right back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Mel Bond, has a gift called discernment where he can see evil spirits on people, command the evil spirit to leave, and then they get better. I love that gift. When did this start happening in your life?
MEL: That happened, it began with in October 1973, and Jesus, in a vision, said, “Mel, I want to take you some place.” He took me to this like a large cave, and it looked like it was probably a half a mile wide and I couldn’t see the end of it. It was just filled with horrible, hideous demons making all kinds of hideous noises. And without God’s help, if anybody from a natural standpoint was there it would destroy them. They would die a horror just hearing or just seeing, either one. And so–
SID: I’ve talked to people that have experiences like that, that unless you had God with you I totally understand.
MEL: That’s right. And so one particular demon came up to me and he was probably about seven foot tall and he had fingers that were like eight or ten inches long and then he had fingernails, probably three to four inches long that curved, and he was trying to slash and tear me apart and slash, and he was only getting just a fraction of an inch from my face, and it was very horrifying. And at that time I looked up at Jesus, and he was at my right hand side and he had a hold of my hand, and he squeezed it, and I looked up at him. He was a little bit taller than I am. And he says, “Mel, the rest of your life you’re gonna go down corridors like this.” But he says, “Always know I’ll never leave you. I’ll never forsake you. I’ll be with you and that you have power in my name.” And from that time on, an unprecedented amount of encounters have I encountered.
SID: But the thing that’s so exciting to me is after that encounter with the Lord, all of his senses, spiritually, where activated. And when you teach on this, what happens to the people that listen to the teaching?
MEL: Well I’ve done conferences, ministers’ conferences all over the world with the gifts of the spirit, and the gift of discerning of spirits that I would very extremely conservatively say that 80 percent of all people that are born again, filled with the Holy Spirit, they speak in tongues, immediately they begin to see in the spirit.
SID: Speaking of seeing in the spirit, in the late ‘70s two demons came into your bedroom. Tell me about that.
MEL: Yeah. In the late ‘70s I was awakened in the middle of the night because I heard some footsteps in my house and they started walking down the hallway, and they walked into the bedroom, and immediately that I jumped up and started swinging at them with my fist because to, you know, to protect my household, and they just began to laugh. And then immediately, of course, it was pretty obvious that these were spirits, even though it was in living color and they looked like they were physical. And so immediately faster than machine gun bullets the Lord spoke to me and he says, “Mel, this person that you’ve praying for that has a problem with adultery, has a problem with alcohol that,” and I had been working with them for a long time trying to share the scriptures and things weren’t getting any better, he says, “This is the root of the problem. The one the right is the spirit of adultery and the one on the left is a spirit of alcohol. Deal with the root of the problem, not the person.” And I did. And ever since that they’ve broken off of that person.
SID: That’s such a wonderful gift to have. Tell me about the woman that you saw a demon on her throat.
MEL: Okay. This happened down in Taylor, Texas. I was a pastor for an Assembly of God Church in Taylor, Texas, 707 Lizzie Street, and it was either the first or second service. So I didn’t know the people. My wife and I had just started pasturing there, so we didn’t know the people. And while I was preaching then I looked and I see this lady, probably about 85 years of age and on her left shoulder right in this area here I see, and I could talk about it for a long time, but basically it was a demonic force and it had arms and legs. It stretched all over into her neck region and her body like this. And so I just stopped preaching and I says, “I’m gonna take care of the situation in your life right now.” And I commanded that force to leave that was in that particular area on her body and I watched that spirit. It dropped off and it crawled out the back door, and then out the door and down the street to the left. By the time that it got to the back door, all of a sudden this lady started raising her voice, sort of not a real loud shout, but shouting and saying, “Praise God! Halleluiah” and that sort of thing. And all the church started getting real excited, and I’m thinking, well I don’t think this is such a big deal. Why is everybody so excited? And then when things calmed down the lady spoke and she says, “I had a stroke six months ago and I’ve not been able to talk for six months, and this portion of my body had been affected.” And all of that was totally gone.
SID: So like you normally can see this demon. You command it to leave and you see it leave.
SID: And you told me over dinner last night, that when you’re ministering to people in a congregation you just look over the whole congregation and God shows you things about people.
MEL: Absolutely. Every time I preach I kind of walk around to the crowds and I’m looking for problems. Really, I’m looking for demons because I’m absolutely thoroughly convinced, according to the teachings of Jesus and the Word of God, that every problem there’s a demon. Jesus said, “If you’re not for me you’re against me.” And so we don’t have three choices. It’s either of God or of the devil. So if there’s a problem there’s a demon, and if you were to get to the root of the problem then the problem can be fixed.
SID: Okay. This is in a congregation. Just out of curiosity when you’re going out to the barber shop or wherever you’re going–
MEL: Same thing.
SID: You see it. Do you ever do something about it?
MEL: Oh absolutely. I was in a place of business just a few months ago and all of a sudden I looked and there was a demon on the top of this lady’s head right there. And so I just walked over and I says, “You know, I see a problem that you have in your head. Can I pray for you?” And she looked at me and kind of puzzled and shocked in a place of business, and people all around and everything, and what a wonderful place for God to give glory. And some of the people, they don’t go to church, so we got to bring church to them.
SID: Just out of curiosity, did know what happened when that demon left?
MEL: Absolutely. It totally left and then she began to smile and tears just flooding down her face. This happened in St. Charles Boonslick Medical Center in St. Charles, Missouri. And I was there getting my annual physical. And so immediately she cried and she says, “It’s totally gone.” And she says, “I’ve had an excruciating migraine headache,” for I think she said three days. And she says, “Nothing works. Nothing gets rid of it.” But she said, “It’s totally gone.”
SID: I’ll tell you. To me, it’s not scary. Scary is having these critters and not being able to see them.
SID: Once you see the authority that you have to command these to go it’s the most wonderful gift in the world. Don’t go away. I’m gonna be back after this word and you’re going to find out how every area of your life can be affected when you understand Mel’s teaching on discernment. Be right back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dean Braxton. And Dean, you’re dead, dead, dead for an hour and 45 minutes. You instantly leave your body because you know the Lord and you find yourself in Heaven. Who was the first person you saw in Heaven?
DEAN: Well when I first got there I was at the feet of Jesus and I can remember looking at him and saying these things to him, Sid, I said, “You did this for me?” And then all I could say was, “Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.” And at that moment I came to really understand that the only reason I was there is what because of what Jesus Christ had done. It wasn’t because of what I had done, but what he had done. And then I came to realize even the works I did in life, even the works I’m doing right now is him working through me. So I couldn’t even take credit for those things. And all I could say is, “Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.” I tell people everything about me. My body wasn’t there. It was my soul and my spirit. That’s what was there. Everything about me was praising him. And I tell people if I didn’t open up my mouth and praise him everything else would have kept on praising him. I could not stop thanking him.
SID: What did his eyes look like?
DEAN: Oh his eyes, you know, they’re just like what we read in the Bible, the fiery red and different colors. But what got me about his eyes is I literally saw the love for me, like I was the only creation of his that he loved, knowing that he loved everyone else, knowing that he loves you and everyone else on this planet. But I came to understand that in his eyes when he looks at me he loves me like I’m the only creation that he loves. People got to really understand that. Sometimes we don’t understand the deepness of his love for us.
SID: It’s a different type of love.
DEAN: It’s a different type, yes, yes. It was created just for me. The love for you is created just for you. So I can’t take his love away that he has for you away from you and you can’t take his love he has for me away from me. His love that he has for you, understand this, Sid, is created literally for you.
SID: Tell me about when you would just look at a part of his body, like his feet.
DEAN: Oh when I looked at his feet, when I’m talking about this love that’s created just for me, if I didn’t see another part of him and his feet, just like it said in Revelation. If you read it, it talks about his feet looking like brass, it’s really the glow off of it that looks like brass. You got the nail prints still there. But that’s what didn’t get me about his feet. What got me about his feet is that his feet loved me. And what I mean by that, if I didn’t look at any other part of him, if I didn’t see any other thing but his feet I would experience the fullness of his love for me through his feet. Same thing happened with his hands. Same thing happened with his entire body. Any part of his body I looked at, his hair, the crown on his head, everything that I looked at literally screamed out how much he loved me like I was the only thing in all creation he loved, knowing that love is there for everyone else, but that creative love that he had created just for me was coming through him in such a way. It seemed like I was literally turning into that love as he was looking at me. Someone asked me one time, they said, “Did you need any food?” No. As I was receiving that love I was being fulfilled in every manner you could imagine, even in the sense of saying, no, I wasn’t hungry. I didn’t need anything. That would satisfy me much more than I could ever explain to you.
SID: Now you saw some loved ones that had died and gone to Heaven.
SID: Who was the first loved one you saw?
DEAN: The first one I saw was my Grandmother Mary and I have to tell you, before this happened to me I didn’t think that that would be that important to the Lord that you would really see your family members there. But when I got there Jesus was standing to the left of me about 10 or 11 o’clock to the left of me, and pass him to the other side was my Grandmother Mary. Not only my Grandmother Mary was there, but other family members that had accepted Jesus Christ the Messiah as Lord and Savior, they were there. And it was something. It wasn’t just a one-side view, but generation after generation, after generation, after generation of those that had accepted Jesus Christ and the Lord and Savior that helped to make this man who I am on this planet right now, they were there to great me in Heaven. I mean, I tell people you will have the biggest family reunion you would ever think of.
SID: Now what did you grandmother say to you?
DEAN: My grandmother said something to me. She said really two things to me. One thing she wanted me to know and Jesus said the same thing, that this was not my home and that I’m just passing through. That’s what one of the things that Jesus Christ really wants me to get across to people as I talk to them. You’re just passing through this. You are not staying on this planet. The other thing Grandma said to me, which really impacted me really greatly, when Jesus was telling me leave, she said to me, she said, “Bring as many of us back with you as you can.” And I came back with the understanding of how important family is to God. And it seems like you should have known that beforehand. But see, I had accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. I was the first one in my family. The rest of my family, my immediate family of three brothers and a dad, and a mother, they didn’t come to know Jesus Christ when I came to know Jesus Christ. Ten years later, my mom accepted Jesus Christ. And so it was only me and her that were what we would call Christians at the time. The rest don’t know. And here I am. I had separated myself, not only in the sense of spiritually or physically, but I also moved up to Seattle and they all lived in California, and I had very little to do with them. And here’s my grandmother saying to me, “Bring as many of us back with you as you can.” And I have a renewed understanding of going back and making sure my family members know about Jesus Christ.
SID: How important is family to God?
DEAN: Oh it’s very important, even to the point that we don’t look at it that way sometimes. But that’s why the devil is attacking the family and tearing up the family. I think if you look at even the Jewish families, and I’m gonna bring this in here because I think it relates so closely to Jewish families, and how keeping that bloodline, as the Jewish people try to keep that bloodline here, because they understood how important family was to God. We sometimes have gotten away from that. Still, God is saying the same thing to everyone that comes to know him as Lord and Savior, “Your family is important to me and so much, that I literally want you to go back to your family and make sure they know who I am.” I really believe that each and every one of us that are born again, that if we go back just to our family and reach out to them we’ll be ministering and evangelizing more people than we’ll ever come to understand.
SID: Have you reached more of your family since you’ve been back?
DEAN: Oh yes I have. I have reached out to my brothers. My dad came to know Jesus Christ about a year and half ago. You know, he’s 78 years old now, and so, good father. But he made that commitment. He says he’s a believer now. Do you know how much joy that brings me?
SID: But how much joy does it bring the Lord?
DEAN: How much joy does it bring the Lord? I was there when people got born again. I was there when people asked Jesus Christ the Messiah to be their Lord.
SID: What happens in Heaven when you see someone born again on earth?
DEAN: When I was there what happened was literally their name is shouted from one end of Heaven to the other.
SID: Oh, I didn’t ask you the most important question. The shock he had of who wasn’t in Heaven and the shock he had of who was there. We’ll be right back after this word.