SID: So I’m talking to my orthodox Jewish father. I’m telling him why the Bible is really from God. And then I’m saying to him, “Did you know, Dad, the Torah says clearly that the animal sacrifices will not stop until the Messiah comes.” Yeah, in Daniel 9:26, the Messiah, where it says, “the Anointed One,” that’s what “moshiach” means, “shall be cut off,” that’s die, “but not for himself,” very important, “and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” In 70 A.D. the prince, Titus, and his Roman legions did exactly what Daniel prophesied. And this would inaugurate what Jeremiah 31, Verse 31 through 34 says, “The New Covenant.” This New Covenant is an amazing covenant in which God says, “I’m going to put the Torah inside of you and you will know God, not know about God, KNOW God. It’s the most wonderful thing. Jeremiah says, “Under this [Hebrew], this New Covenant, because the Temple is destroyed you either have to say your sins are not atoned for, because without the shedding of blood there’s no forgiveness of sin, or you have to say Messiah has come. Those are your only two options. And the Messiah not only will allow you to know God, but he says, “I will not just cover your sins under this new covenant. My God,” This is what it says in Jeremiah, “will remember your sins no more.” Pretty cool. I like that. I might remember them, but God says, they don’t exist in my realm. That’s why I can live inside of you and I can come to know you. Well how can you know who the Messiah is? Big question. Ancient rabbis had a good thought. Modern rabbis, I don’t know too much about. The ancient rabbis, they saw predictions that when the Messiah comes there will be peace on Earth. They called the Messiah Ben David. Then they saw other predictions that said when the Messiah comes, he’ll be like Joseph. They called the Ben Joseph. Joseph was betrayed by his own Jewish brothers. Joseph was sold for a few pieces of silver. Joseph was put in a pit and left for dead. Everyone thought he was dead. His father thought he was dead. But he really rose to power to be the savior of the Jewish people. So they said two Messiahs. They were almost right. How about one Messiah, two appearances. How can we have peace on Earth, because that’s what the Messiah is supposed to bring, if there’s a Messiah for the Jews, a Messiah for the Muslims, a Messiah for the Christians? We’re not going to make it with three Messiahs. How about one God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob for the whole world. And how about one Messiah, the Jew, Jesus, for the whole world. I want applause on that, too. Come on, give me a break. Moses said, since we Jewish people wouldn’t follow him, God would raise up another leader who would be greater than him. Why greater? Because the Torah says, we must follow this one, because God’s word will be inside his human body. That’s what it says in Deuteronomy, Chapter 18, Verse 17 and 18. He says, “And the Lord said to me, ‘What they have spoken is good. I will raise up for them a prophet like you,'” like Moses, “‘from among their brethren and I will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak to them all I command, and it shall be that whoever will not hear my words, which he speaks in my name, I will require it of him.'” There are over 300 specific predictions of Messiah. Let me just tell you a couple. Every one, every one, every one has come true. Every one. You know, I don’t think it’s possible to not believe Jesus is the Jewish Messiah if you think for yourself and have all the facts. It’s not possible to not realize that he is the Messiah. Not possible. Micah said he’d be born in Bethlehem of Judea. Five Bethlehems at the time Jesus was born. He just had happened to be born in Bethlehem of Judea. Isaiah said there would be a miracle sign on the world, 7:14: “A virgin shall conceive.” It was a young woman. That wouldn’t be a miracle. That’s normal. “And this child would be called Emmanuel, God is with us.” Now this Messiah would be from the ancestry of King David and the gentiles would follow him. Isaiah said, “In that day there shall be a root of Jesse,” that’s David’s father, “who shall stand as a banner to the people and the gentiles will see him.” Well what Messiah did the gentiles follow? Jesus. It’s pretty clear. Zachariah 11:13 says, “He’d be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver.” You know how many pieces of silver he was betrayed for? Thirty pieces of silver. Listen to this, the silver, Zachariah said, would be thrown into the House of the Lord, the Temple and it would be for potters. It would be, let me read this exact. He says, “And the Lord said to me, ‘Throw it to the potter.'” Guess where he was buried? Potter’s Field. He would die by crucifixion before they even knew about crucifixion. This is Psalm 22: “My life is poured out like water. All my bones are out of joint. My heart is like wax, melting within me. My strength is dried up like a sun baked plague. My tongue sticks to the room of my mouth.” It says in Psalm 22, “They would divide his garments by gambling.” That’s exactly what happened. He would come before the destruction of the second temple. In Isaiah 53, “Who’s going to believe the report of the prophets? All we like sheep have gone astray. We’ve all turned everyone to his own way and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth.” You read that sometime. Dad, it’s so important. I was talking to my dad. It’s so important you believe in Messiah. Why? Because Daniel, the 12th Chapter says, “Those that are buried in the dust, some shall rise to everlasting life and some to everlasting condemnation.” Everlasting is a pretty long time, you know. So choose. This is what I want you to do. I want you to ask God if Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, and say this prayer with me out loud. Do this right now, out loud. Dear God.
Audience: Dear God.
SID: I’m a sinner.
Audience: I’m a sinner.
SID: Against you.
Audience: Against you.
SID: And you alone by sin.
Audience: And you alone by sin.
SID: And I’m so sorry.
Audience: And I’m sorry.
SID: I believe.
Audience: I believe.
SID: The blood of Jesus.
Audience: The blood of Jesus.
SID: Washes away my sins.
Audience: Washes away my sins.
SID: And Jesus is my Lord.
Audience: And Jesus is my Lord.
SID: You did it!
SID: Hello. I’m here with Dr. Gary Whetstone. God has shown Gary some false gospels. Tell me one.
GARY: One of the most significant false gospels is in this nation and around the world, is the gospel of money. So that one of the bishops I know very well, he has a money in the mouth ministry list that when their ministry needs money there are ministers they know they can bring to the pulpit that they are worth so much money, by every hour they’re on air, they’re on platform.
SID: Has he actually figured this out?
GARY: And he gives it to all the leaders that he has. So they pass around these ministries to get the finances they need to accomplish the objectives they have.
SID: How could this be God?
GARY: It’s not God. There is no God in it. It is a false spirit that has come to grip the Body of Christ. It works in marketing. It works in television. It works in pulpits around the world. As a matter of fact, many of the gifts and ministries that come into churches and ministry groups is only for the money they can raise. It’s not through the contribution of revelation of Christ they bring. So there’s no value of eternal life that ever is manifest. It’s only about the carrot to get the turn, get the heart, get the motive, get the action, get the money and move on because now we have another person to raise money for.
SID: All right. Question. The supernatural principles that God showed you, do they work for every true Bible believer?
GARY: Sid, the mind of man is designed by God to respond to His voice. The mind of man listens to four sources of wisdom: the logic; listens to the flesh—lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life—listens to the voice of the enemy, demonic, the word “demon”, damonia, the knowing; and it listens to the human spirit from God’s spirit. So the mind of man only has four voices that it listens to. If we shut down the two voices, the flesh, which you’re dead in Christ to that voice, the flesh, the enemy, which you have authority over that kingdom of darkness, we only have two others to deal with: rationale and the voice from our spirit, which is the voice of God. We have, every one of us, access to that living voice of God in us every day. He will direct us financially, educationally, socially, relationally, physically. He’ll give us direction and involvement. We’ll walk in areas of life. We’ll have knowledge about people because God has given us, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit, which is from God that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
SID: Okay. You talk about many men of God, or women, who hear God’s voice and they initiate what God has called them to do, but then they finish His sentence.
GARY: That’s exactly right.
SID: Explain what you mean.
GARY: What happens is the spirit of God comes. You watch a prayer meeting. The spirit of God moves in the prayer meeting. People begin to hear the voice of God. Then somebody wants to get up and say what they believe to do next. Say what to do next. And my whole thing is once God is moving, don’t stop Him. The worst thing we do in Christendom is we begin with the anointing of the presence of God and then we have a format in which we perceive God is going to move in. God has given me insight of a whole new dynamic of the Body of Christ. It is here on Earth that it must come forward in the experience.
SID: You did something drastic in your church. God gave you so many supernatural tools. But tell me about the supernatural information fast.
GARY: We went on a 40-day, shut down all information that takes you from your personal presence of God. Don’t allow entertainment. Don’t allow music. Don’t allow conversations. Don’t allow involvements with people that take you from the focus on the personal presence of God in your life.
SID: Now when you say don’t allow music, you can Christian music.
GARY: You can have, well—
SID: I’m trying, folks. I’m not trying to make it easier on me.
GARY: I mean, the real truth of it, how much Christian music reveals the living indwelling Christ? One of the keys that has stirred my spirit is the fact of detachment. Anything that says God is there and I’m here is not God. On the Body of Christ, He’s the head. God must be identified in living through my life, any song, any communication, any interaction and involvement. So if I’m going to focus on this indwelling person of Christ, the Living God—
SID: That’s very difficult what you’re asking us to do. But you asked your whole congregation to do this.
GARY: There is no other life. We’re the Body of Christ. Why play church when we can be the church? I mean, why play? Why put a forum out there? Why put a system together that is so broken everyone in church knows it doesn’t work. They go from church to church and they’re looking for some God somewhere and He’s in them. And the key is that life of God in them is designed to manifest through them. The Body of Christ is not designed to have a pew pulpit environment. It’s designed to have a living expression of the Living God that’s in every believer that comes forth and demonstrates the power and the life of Jesus Christ within.
SID: You know what this is saying to me? When you go on this 40-day information fast, you get rid of all clutter except God.
GARY: All clutter.
SID: I like that.
GARY: That’s right.
SID: What happened to these people?
GARY: We had one fellow who had been dating this girl for like 12 years. He could not make a commitment. He had a commitment issue and everybody talked with him. Everybody prayed with him. He couldn’t get over the threshold. He went on that 40-day information fast and he got it. He said, “I see exactly what happened.” Because our spirit knows exactly what we deal with. You know, sometimes we’re waiting for someone else to get inside us what our problems are and you know every one of us knows. Every person knows exactly what’s going on, what’s going wrong and what’s taking them down. And the nature of Christ in them, as we did this fast, we saw people end their jobs, they quit one job, stepped into businesses. We watched this one couple, they got married out of that information fast. We watched other people. One couple left the church, went off into ministry in the mission field.
SID: It’s nice when you hear God’s voice. All right. You did something, you speak in your seminar something very drastic and I want to do this, and I want you to do this right now. I want you to lead us in a prayer that everything that isn’t of God in our life will be burned up and we will accomplish God’s destiny. Would you do that right now?
GARY: Yes. You know, if you’re ready for a bonfire, this is your day. You know, God has designed you to end the craziness.
GARY: Yes. Number one, God does not answer worry, He does not answer fear and He is not concerned. Anything and everything you’re concerned about, get it off you. It’s not God. Number two, God is not directing by anyone else. He leads you by His spirit. Anyone you’re following, anything you’re following, anywhere you think you’re going because of someone else’s leadership, release it because if God’s spirit is not present and moving, don’t be in it. Number three, everything that seems to withstand and obstruct that nature of God comes down. So we’re going to take you into that prayer. First, cast your care upon the Lord right now. Just do it with me. Get every care, every burden, every weight, release it completely. Sever its hold, silence its voice as you commit it into the hands of the Living God. Father, we do just that. We commit into your ever-loving hands our life we know. Our life is not made of ours. Life is yours. You had a crucified with Christ. It’s your life in us. So we loose ourselves of the weights, the burdens, the cares and we refuse to remind you of any worry in the name of Jesus. Now in that same place after casting your cares, take an survey, a view of your relationships. And if there’s anyone with any harbored injury or insult, or influence in your life, in the name Jesus and in the person of Jesus, forgive them. Release them right now in the name of Jesus. Father, we forgive and we release them in the mighty name of Jesus. Through that blood, they are forgiven. And now just thank God that every stronghold, imagination and high thing comes down, and what’s left is the clear hearing the voice of God. You hear Him. He’s in you. He’s speaking to you in the mighty name of Jesus. And we silence the torment, the confusion and the disarray of thought, and declare it to end in their life in the mighty name of Jesus. We bless you Father for that peace and that wisdom that moves their heart and mind, through Christ Jesus. We bless you, Lord. Amen.
SID: So I was explaining to you. Deuteronomy said, if we follow God we’d be the most blessed people on the face of this earth. If we did not follow Him, whatever country we would go to, we’d lose our homeland, our temple, our only means of being right with God. And wherever we’d go it would eventually would turn on us. This all happened to the decimal point. But God said, even though this would be going on, I’m going to do a sign that will confound the world. As long as there is a sun and moon, and stars there will be a, someone’s neck has just been healed and back has just been healed. As long as there is a sun and moon, and stars, there will be a physical Jew on the face of this earth. Now you would think that after 2000 years of this meshugas the world trying to kill us because we’re Jews, that every Jew in the world would have either assimilated or died, and there would be no physical Jew. Logical, not our country, not our temple. There’s no logical explanation that a Jew still survives, but God. Unless there is a sun and a moon, and stars that disappear, then you won’t see a Jew. You see how easy it would have been to disprove the Bible? On the other hand, that’s enough for you to believe the Bible. Then God says to his prophet Isaiah, “Shall a nation be formed in one day at once.” And then God says in Isaiah, Chapter 11, Verse 12, He’s going to present a miracle banner to the world to grab your attention. This is what he says: “God, He, will set up a banner for the nations and will assemble the outcasts of Israel and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” We have seen that. And May 14, 1948, against impossible odds, Israel became a nation in one day, and the Jews from the four corners of the earth were still kept, not assimilated, were still Jews and re-gathered to their homeland, Israel. That’s our God. But then when we got back we bumped into four major wars. We didn’t have money. We didn’t have ammunitions. We barely had clothing. We came from Europe with the clothing on our back and we were out-numbered. Twenty Arab nations declared war against us with 140 million Arabs with petro dollars armed to their teeth, no explanation for the survival of Israel. But God is real. God is real. God is real. Then when we get back, a waste desert. Mark Twain, he went there and he said, “I don’t know why they fight over this place. It’s such a god-forsaken barren wilderness. But when we got back God’s word came into play again. Isaiah, Chapter 35, Verse 1, “The wilderness in the wasteland shall be glad for them and the desert shall rejoice and blossom as the rose.” When we returned, did you know Israel today can grow vegetation in the desert? How did Isaiah know about the atomic desolation of seawater and the agricultural miracle that Israel has accomplished in this land? Speaking about the desert blossoming as a rose, did you know Israel is the third largest exporter of cut flowers in the world? Look how precise God’s word is. Then he said, the way cities that were just totally flattened, they’re going to be restored. The desert will come back and bloom like a rose. The way cities are going to come back. And have you seen Tel Aviv and Jerusalem? These are modern cities. But God says, “I will bring that back, the captives of my people Israel and they shall build the way cities and inhabit them.” And then He says, even the Jews from the north. You know what’s directly north of Israel? Moscow, Russia. The Jews from the north will return to Israel. One of the greatest exoduses we had in modern times were the Russian Jews coming back to Israel. And by the way, if you think these were written after the fact, we have the Dead Sea Scrolls no one has tampered with. These are predictions by God and they have come true to the decimal point. And just as God had a plan for the Jewish people, He has a plan for the Messiah, because He wants to restore us to the Adamic nature. Do you know what life Adam had? He wasn’t afraid of anything. He wasn’t ashamed of anything. God wants to return us to that. Now we Jewish people had a free pass for many years. You know what it was? A temple, an animal sacrifice. An animal would die in our place and our sins would be covered. But then we lost the Temple. And so we had to develop a new religion called Rabbinic Judaism because we didn’t have the Temple under biblical Judaism. But God had a plan. Leviticus 17:11: “For the life or the soul, the very essence of a human is in the blood and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls. For it is the blood that makes atonement for your soul.” You know, in Passover, we Jewish people would put blood on the doorpost because the blood atones for your sins and the Angel of Death, that’s where Passover came from, the Angel of Death would pass over our homes if he saw the blood on the doorpost. If you lived in Egypt, and Moshe Rabbeinu says, “I want you to kill a lamb and I want you to put the blood on your doorpost,” and you say, Eeww, I don’t like blood, I don’t want to do that, you would have died, the first-born would have died. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin and the blood is a shadow of THE blood. Be right back.
SID: So how would you like to be in a situation where God Himself says to you, you’re a pastor of a successful church, your candle is going to go out because you’re doing it your way. You’re not doing it my way. You have a choice. You can continue doing it your way and say, but I’m accomplishing so much, and then guess what? Not only will your candle go out, everything you’ve accomplished that you think is so wonderful will be burned with fire and not count for eternity. So what changes occurred as a result of this vision?
GARY: Soon after that vision we had, God had spoken to me to buy a building in West Philadelphia, and He gave me the exact number to pay, $365,000 for it. I sent two of the ministers that we have in our church up to find the building. I knew exactly where it was. I watched it in my spirit. They got there. I said, “You’re there. Just turn around. Where’s the building?” And they said, “There’s a building there but it’s sold.” I said, “That’s it. Go find the owner. That’s what we’re getting.” Anyway, long story, it was sold for over millions of dollars. The whole thing fell through. Finally the owner calls back to our office and he says, “I’ll sell it, but I’m not going to sell it for that price.” I said, “But that’s the price I heard from God, so that’s what you’re paying.” Long story short, we buy the property, $365,000. It’s a factory. We bought a factory in Philadelphia. Look at the picture. Look at how large that it is, how large it is. So the next thing I know, what I was doing was planting churches because, of course—
SID: That’s your thing.
GARY: That’s what you do.
GARY: So we have Bible colleges. We opened up schools. We have schools around the world. We produced pastors and leaders. We put a church in there. So I’m hearing now, what is God saying now? So I began to say, God—
SID: And by the way, what he just described was before he had this vision. Now he’s got this church. He’s in Philly. Supernaturally he got it. But where was your mistake?
GARY: My mistake was putting a church in there, because God never called—
SID: But that’s what you do. You put churches in there.
GARY: That’s the problem. See, people do things because they believe that’s what they do rather than hear from God to do what He’s saying to do. And as a result, we do things out of a systemic like sense of obligation or responsibility, or activity in what other people. Because we have such a large broad amount of people coming in to our location in Delaware, it would only make sense to put a church in Baltimore, one in Philadelphia, and reach out to the people that are coming.
SID: Okay. But now you don’t want your candle to go out. You don’t want it to burn with fire. What do you do? You’re already stuck. You got a church going.
GARY: I get the pastor that’s at the church in his position. I said, “Look, is God talking today about this church?” I said, “Forget what I had you doing. Forget what you’ve been doing for a couple of years. Today is God speaking to you about this church.” He said, no. I said, “We’re closing it. We’re selling the building.”
SID: How could you do that? You got people going there. How could you stop it?
GARY: You know, Sid, if every pastor only did exactly what God said we’d have far less out there and much more effectiveness in the Kingdom of God. Far more out there. Effectiveness.
SID: Okay. So what happened to this building?
GARY: We got a $1,850,000 for it. We walked out with a $1,500,000 in profit, paid off all the debts. We have no debt whatsoever in the ministry, all the burden lifted off everything, and now we do everything without any debt or encumbrance whatsoever.
SID: Well you know what’s even more exciting? He supernaturally teaches people how to hear God’s voice, did it in his own church. The people in his congregation hear God about their marriage. What happened with marriages?
GARY: Talking of marriages, here’s a guy coming up with a fiancé. This is a story about hearing God’s voice. He says, “I want to marry her.” So I said, “Wait a minute.” And I’m listening and God says, “She’s not to be his wife. He has a wife.” I said, “Well where is your wife?” He goes, “I don’t have a wife.” I said, “No, where is your wife?” He says, “Twenty years ago I got a divorce.” I said, “Where is she?” He said, “I don’t know. I haven’t talked to her.” I said, “Before I even talk to you about getting married to this woman,” I said, “I want you to go back and ask God who your wife is and find out what is God going to do with your life.” He comes back. He says, “You know, Gary, I can’t believe this.” He said, “I couldn’t even remember her name when you asked me where she was. It was like she was gone, gone.” He said, “But all of a sudden I got this love for her.” And I’m thinking, okay, what happened to the girl you brought up here? How’s this going to go? What did she hear from God?
SID: I’m glad you’re the pastor and not me.
GARY: He finally got the one he was looking for, you know what I’m saying. Here’s this guy hearing God. And what does he do? He finds her in California, flies out and says, “I had the most strange experience. I went to this pastor. He said, what is God saying.” And he meets her. They get remarried again together. They are now together walking in God, fulfilling. What happens in people’s minds, Sid, is they don’t say, stop. God is present in me. There is the Living God I live with. He speaks to me. We are the Body of Christ. We hear Him. We are so wired to hear God, it is easier for us to obey God than disobey Him.
SID: Now out of curiosity, now that you’ve made a number of changes, the changes were easy. What’s not of you, God? Out. So he’s made these changes. How many people would you say since you’ve made these changes have been saved? How many miracles? How many marriages restored? What would you say?
GARY: We see it constantly. We just had 750 people saved last month at our altars.
SID: You know, it’s much better to do it God’s way than your way.
GARY: Yeah, oh yeah.
SID: Okay. I want to find out what you taught your congregation so they can all hear God’s voice. Do you want to hear that? I do. Be right back.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to partake of this new paradigm that God is about ready to do because there’s going to be such an outpouring of God’s Spirit on planet earth that the old wineskins are brittle, they won’t contain all of the glory. That’s why I am so excited about this previously unpublished manuscript, it’s still unpublished. I persuaded Pastor Robert Heidler to print this up and it’s called “The Messianic Church.” It has the goods, the history of how we got from something that was 100% Jewish, to something that traditional Jewish people feel is the opposite of Judaism and everything. You know what, when you look at it it appears to be the opposite. Pastor Robert Heidler I mean it’s almost outrageous it’s one of the greatest con jobs in history to take the church out of its natural setting, Jewish, and insert it into a pagan Gentile setting, pagan. I have to believe the reason this was done was to have a clear wall of separation between Jews and Christians for diabolical purposes.
Robert: Exactly. You know Paul says “In Christ that wall of separation is broken down” but when you look at the church today that wall has been resurrected and that was not God’s purpose.
Sid: Listen the master politician, Constantine, was able to salvage his empire by melding paganism and Christianity, and cutting out everything Biblically Jewish, even to the form of what we call the church. You were talking about that yesterday and there was a quote, we had to end a little too early from The Learning Channel. Would you repeat that?
Robert: Yes, in The Learning Channel they had a show called “Rome: The Power and The Glory.” They went through the rise of the Roman Empire in the fall, and the last show in the series was on the fall of the empire. They said this, “It’s interesting that imperial Rome is probably best preserved in the church it once persecuted.” He said “Look at a church and see what you see is the architecture of the imperial throne room. Sit in a church and what you hear is imperial court ceremony. Solemnity, the choir, and the hymns are derived from the ceremonies of the Roman Imperial Court.” I mean that’s a secular historian just looking factually saying “This is what you see in the church did not come from Jesus and the apostles; the forms of worship that are common in the church really came from a pagan Roman source.” It’s interesting one quote I have in the book, in the manuscript, from Constantine less than one year after his conversion, supposedly to Christianity. He made the following decree, he said “I am going to make plain to them what kind of worship is to be offered to God. What higher duty do I have as emperor than to cause all to offer to all Mighty God true worship, true religion, and due worship.” So here is a pagan emperor he looks at the worship of the church and it’s offensive to him. It’s very Jewish, and he says “We’ve got to teach the church a better way to worship God.”
Sid: Where did the separation come between the laity, the laymen, and the clergy, where did this come from?
Robert: Well I think it came from just what we’re talking about here with the church. You know moving the church from the house church into the basilica church’s that Constantine made, it made a whole new pattern for church life. In the house church everyone participated, everyone was encouraged to know the word, and to minister. When you move it into a basilica you have a throne at the front for the bishop, and you have the clergy that do all the rituals and the ministries. Out in the congregation people just come and sit and observe. It’s interesting we talked about Constantine bringing Mithraism into Christianity. In the early church every believer was supposed to know how to minister, they were supposed to know the word, they were gifted by God to do the things of God. Mithraism was mystery religion, and only the initiated only the priests were allowed to know the sacred truths, and everyone else was just to come and observe the truths in ignorance. So Constantine really made that shift where by the Middle Ages Bibles were written a language people didn’t know and were chained to the pulpit where they couldn’t be read.
Robert: Because they did not want the common people to know the word of God, to know how to minister. It became… it was really the pattern that Constantine had put in where you have a clergy that knew the hidden sacred truths; people would come and observe and take part in the rituals hoping to receive some spiritual benefit from it.
Sid: You know I’m looking through your manuscript right now, and I really want to read your description of a visit to an early church which was a house church, let me read this. “As we walk through the door you look across the entrance into the large open courtyard of the home. There appears to be some kind of a party going on. Some of the people are playing flutes, lyres, and tambourines while others are singing, dancing and clapping their hands. You immediately look around to make sure you’ve come into the right house as you listen to the words. However, you realize that this is the right place for the words of the songs are words of praise to Jesus. These people are overflowing with joy because they’ve come to know the living God. What you are witnessing is the way the early church praised God. This type of worship is foreign to much of the church today, but from the Biblical and historical records this is what the worship in the early church was like. It was a free and joyful celebration with a great deal of singing and dancing. Most church services would begin with the people getting in a ring, or several concentric rings, and dancing Jewish style ring dances, like the Hora.” It says “There’s a great deal of singing and dancing and rejoicing in the Lord. As the songs slow down a little many people get down on their knees before the Lord, most are lifting up hands to Him, a tremendous sense of the Lord’s presence fills the courtyard. During the church’s praise and worship there are spontaneous shouts of praise, some shout ‘Amen!’ to voice their agreement with what others have said. As we enter into the worship we’re overwhelmed by the love and acceptance of the people. After much singing and dancing food is brought out people find their seats to prepare for the meal. We’re surprised to see people eating a meal in the middle of a church service, but this is described by Paul in 1st Corinthians, as well as by Jude and Peter. This shared weekly meal is called the ‘Love Feasts’ or ‘Agape.’ To begin the meal one of the leaders stands with a cup blesses the Lord and passes it around so each one can drink from it. He then picks up a loaf of bread and offer thanks. It’s also passed from person to person, this is the Lord’s supper in its original context. The meal is joyful centered on devotion to the Lord. As they eat the believers talk about the things of God, share testimonies, and recite and discuss scripture, sing praises to the Lord. You’re impressed that while very few have personal copies of any Biblical books most of those present appear to have large portions of the Bible memorized. After the meal ends worship continues till at some point a change begins to take place. There’s a subtle shift in the atmosphere, the air seems to thicken, a tangible sense of the presence of God comes and rest in the place.” Now I’m going to stop right here Robert, but that’s the point where it’s like heaven touches earth.
Sid: And miracles break out… you know I’m reminded of this young generation that we have that was raised in the church is leaving the church in droves. This young generation we have basically their not even born again anymore. What if they had been raised in this kind of environment?
Robert: Yes, yes. What I see here Sid, what you just described is the wineskin that God created to the hold the new wine. So often we hold up to Him a pagan wineskin and say “Lord we want Your Spirit” but when He pours a Spirit it can’t hold in what He wants to pour out.
Sid: Mishpochah, God is about ready to bring the Biblical Jewish roots, not the rabbinical roots, not a religious spirit of “Do this or you’re not saved” but a freedom like the church has not witnessed. We will not lose this next generation which might be the last generation before the Messiah comes. You know I’m reading from your manuscript right here and it says “Everyone who studies the early church is amazed at its phenomenal growth. Some historians estimate by the end of the 3rd century half of the population of the Roman Empire had converted to Christianity. Why was this tremendous growth, and then it was just cut off at the roots.
SID: When I was a young Jewish believer in the Messiah, I was involved in starting something I had no idea, a few of us, we knew nothing. But we felt we wanted a congregation for Jewish people where we would where we used to, where we were raised with in the synagogue. And so we started one of the first modern Messianic Jewish congregations in America. And shortly, I realized, I was the leader at the time, I knew nothing. So we got a wonderful Messianic Jewish rabbi that did something unusual. He proved that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah and never used the New Testament. He always spoke from the Jewish Scriptures, the Old Covenant. Now my wife was raised Southern Baptist, got to college, atheistic professors and whatever faith she had, zip, out the door. She never called herself an atheist. Just in case, she called herself an agnostic. She had a little, maybe there is a God. I’m not going to call myself an atheist. Well when we got married, I insisted she convert to orthodox Judaism. So you might say she was a Southern Baptist, agnostic, orthodox Jew. Right? But kicking and screaming, she would go to our Messianic Jewish congregation and she would hear something that was taken for granted among gentile Christians. You believe because your parents believe. You believe because you’ve been told that since you were so little. Then what happens when you get to college and into the world, you have all this doubt that comes and surfaces, and you’re surrounded with doubt and unbelief. And so she heard, for the first time, why the Bible is from God. It’s not a given. You have to understand why the Bible is from God, because if it’s not from God then there is no foundation in Judaism or Christianity, or anything else. Then that same Bible proves, there are predictions in it called prophecies, that Jesus is the Messiah. And she came to a point where one day she said, “I have no choice. I have to believe.” Now when I got saved, I was very prominent. There was an article in a major Washington, D.C. newspaper. And I have to tell you, coming from an orthodox Jewish background, my father was horrified that, number one, I was a believer in the Messiah, Jesus, and number two, I was outspoken about it. But one day, he said, “Okay, I want you to tell me why Jesus is the Messiah.” Oh, I’ve been waiting for this day for so long. And I have to tell you, I was praying that he would come to know the Messiah. My mother who loved me would try to protect me, you know, good Jewish mother. And she said, “Your dad will never become a believer in that Jesus.” She just didn’t want me to be left down, you know. And I said to her, I remember saying to her, “You’re wrong. He will.” You know why? I have been saying it for so long that I began to believe it. There was no evidence to my natural lies. If you knew my dad, none whatsoever. Orthodox Jew born in Poland, saw everything Hitler did, you know, the whole nine yards. No way he was going to believe. But something in me said, I know my father is going to be a believer in the Messiah. So I got a Tanakh, that’s a Jewish copy of the Jewish Scriptures. And the Tanakh is the same as a Christian Old Testament, except the books are in a slightly different order and the verses could be one ahead or one behind. Otherwise, it’s virtually the same as a Christian Old Testament. And I said, “Dad, did you know there are predictions about our Jewish people and that there are thousands of them, past, present and future, of the Jewish people, and they all come true, I mean, to the decimal point.” He said, “No, I didn’t know that.” I said, “Let me show you a few of them.” God said in Deuteronomy 28, “We would be the most blessed people on the face of this earth if we would follow Moses and the Torah”. But if not, we would lose our temple, we did. We would lose our city, Jerusalem, we did. We’d be scattered to the four corners of the earth, we were. Whatever country we would go to we would be persecuted in. You see how precise and specific this is? But there’s more. And I’ll be right back in a moment.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest had an open vision in Israel seeing all of history and God speaking to people, and people either not hearing his voice or being disobedient, but then doing it, as Frank Sinatra says, my own way. And the sad thing was their works, their good works were burned with fire. Most of their works burned with fire. If you cannot hear God’s voice, you won’t do what God wants you to do. No matter what happens with this world, and we’re at the wrap-up right now, and those that are not on a firm foundation, once this world, once more is going to shake, will not stand. But those that can hear God’s voice, it’s going to be the most exciting time of your life. Now Dr. Gary Whetstone, I’m taking you back to 2005, my favorite of favorite cities on the planet, Jerusalem.
SID: You’re doing a little commercial for your next tour to Israel. You’re there with your wife and something happened that you did not bargain for. Tell me about it.
GARY: The cameras are rolling. Faye is standing next to me. I’m looking over at the old city of the Eastern Wall, and all of a sudden, everything vanished. The old city, the earth vanished, and I’m standing, and I’m watching humanity pass before my eyes. As I’m in the presence of God it felt like days, it felt like weeks. It was just like I was in there years. I had no idea of time. And time after time was unfolding, but it was like God was speaking to the masses and then individually to every person, “Hear my voice.” And then I watched people that I knew and I’m shocked because I’m watching them come out of the masses and God speaking to people I knew, ministers that I knew, “Hear my voice.” And I watched them from childhood times, young adulthood growing up, hearing, doing what God said. And then I watched them going off because they heard the voice of someone else, someone else telling them how to market, how to do this, how to do that, how to present something this way, that way. And as they went off they went on in and everything burned that God did not offer. As I watched people that heard God and what they obeyed God, everything they obeyed in God went forward into glory and nothing burned. But everything that God didn’t say, everything He didn’t say burned.
SID: Now you said that you saw people that you knew.
SID: And you saw their great majestic works that looked good. So all of society burned. It might have started with, God, but it finished with them. Did you go to some of these people? Tell me one you went to.
GARY: One I went to specifically, because I saw just what they were building, burned. And I went to the person. I said, “This is what I watched.” And the person hung their head and they said, “Gary, if I could change it I would now.” I said, “Change what?” They said, “Change I have finances coming into the ministry. If I could change our money model I’d change it today.” I said, “Then why don’t you change it? I mean, why would you not do what God is saying?”
SID: I would like to toss the whole thing out if I found out that was me.
GARY: You know, sometimes I watch people build an engine, and the supply line of that engine, they cannot give up because the engine is the success. Where the success really is doing what God says. It’s not what man values. It’s not what man appreciates. It’s not what man says is successful. The greatest shock of this, as I watched people that I knew was when I saw myself, and I watched my life, childhood. You know, I got born again in a mental hospital and it’s a miracle God even got to me, but He did.
SID: It’s one of the most amazing testimonies I’ve ever, ever heard. He was all set to have an electronic lobotomy. He would never been sane the rest of his life and he heard God’s voice. But so, God’s had his hand on you for a long time.
GARY: He’s speaking to me. I watched my voice when God spoke to me. I’m going through a divorce with my wife. And God spoke to me, “Faye is your wife.” I said, “But God, I’m divorced from her.” This was what I was experiencing. I’m watching my life. I saw how God restored our marriage. We got remarried again, as you know. And I’m watching when God spoke to me, “Go into business.” But I made decisions that went off course and I built businesses because in my mind, and I watched this, I thought I could create enough money that I could obey God. And that wasn’t God’s thought.
SID: He didn’t need that. He did not need your stinking money.
GARY: He doesn’t. God is not in deficit. And God spoke to me. And then I saw me in ministry. And I saw when I was listening to the voices of marketers, people knowing how to do things, people knowing how to manipulate people. And I watched how I was listening. And God stopped division cold. It just shut down. And He said, “If you do not hear my voice and obey my voice I will take the candle from the candlestick and I’ll blow out the light.” And the shock of that reality shook me to the core of my being. And I mean, I was—
SID: Gary made major, major changes and you are going to make major changes as a result of hearing the voice of God. We’ll be right back.
Sid: I have on the telephone Pastor Robert Heidler, pastor of Glory of Zion Outreach Center in Denton, Texas. I just got a hold of an unpublished manuscript and I am so anxious for you to get this information all well footnoted. Pastor Heidler is a graduate, has a Master’s, as a matter of fact, from Dallas Theological Seminary. It’s the missing ingredients… I have to tell you Robert I read some things in here that maybe I should have known, but I didn’t know. It’s like the Spirit of God was showing me things, and now you’ve got the documentation of what God was showing. For instance, we know that the first church, and you document it so well in “The Messianic Church” had all the Biblical roots, Jewish roots, were in the first church. How do we know this for sure?
Robert: Well first of all because that’s the only kind of church they knew. I mean they were the apostles that planted the church were Messianic Jews, they were Jews who came to know Yeshua as their Messiah. As you study the history of the church for the first 3 or 4 centuries, that was the kind of Christianity that they practiced.
Sid: Wait a second. How do you attend one of the finest Biblical colleges in the United States, and not know what you know inside this manuscript today? How is it that our best scholars don’t know this today? How could things get so twisted?
Robert: Well it’s real interesting because for a thousand years during the Dark Ages, the church really had lost everything that it had had. In the Protestant Reformation…
Sid: You know to me one of the greatest evidences that there’s a God, is that not only did we come out of the Dark Ages, but we have Christianity today.
Robert: Yeah, but it’s when most writers have never gone back to study what the early church was like. One of my favorite overviews of church history is Eerdmans’ Handbook to the History of Christianity, and it’s a wonderful study of church history. When it talks about the relationship of the church to the Jews, it devotes one sentence to it out of 656, and it just assumes that was not an important part of the church’s life. Yet, when you read the early sources you find it was a very important part. It was very common to the third and fourth centuries for Christians to celebrate the Biblical feasts; to celebrate Shabbat. One thing that surprised me when I began to read is it was very common in the first few centuries for the Christians to really have two holy days. They celebrated Shabbat, to celebrate the God of creation who created the earth and rested, but then they celebrated Sunday as the day of the resurrection of Messiah. They didn’t see anything funny with doing that.
Sid: By the way, they did not celebrate on a Sunday morning did they?
Robert: No! Although sometimes they started on Saturday night and they were still going on Sunday morning.
Sid: [Laughing] Yeah, you mean it was ruckus wild party?
Sid: The reason you point out in your manuscript that most of them did not worship on Sunday morning is Sunday, during the day, was a work day
Robert: Hmm. Yes it was just not a day off for most people.
Sid: You know I have read that the early church celebrated the resurrection on Sunday, but most Christians are really not aware of how it started. I think they put a good Biblical meaning, spin on it if you will, but really there was a dividing line on the vibrant church and the dead the church. I think it began with someone by the name of Constantine, tell me about him.
Robert: He was a very interesting man. The church had been through a time of severe persecution, as a matter of fact, probably the 25 years before Constantine was the most intense persecution the church ever had. It was called the “Age of the Martyrs.” Constantine was a pagan, he was a worshipper of the pagan sun god Mithras. He was fighting with a rival Maxentius to take the throne of the Roman Empire. He was sort of frightened going into the battle because he had heard that Maxentius was a master of occult arts. So he prayed to his god, the pagan sun god Mithras, and prayed for strength and victory. He reported that when he prayed he saw a flaming cross in the sky next to the sun, and heard the words “Conquered by this.” So he went into battle, he won the battle, and he came to the throne of the Roman Empire announcing that he was now a follower of Christ, and made the cross his symbol, and the church was just thrilled with that. Persecution ended, great blessing was poured out on the church, but the problem was he didn’t seem to really know who Jesus was. Constantine hated the Jews, he didn’t see Jesus as the Son of the Jewish Yahweh, but he really evidently saw Jesus as a manifestation of the pagan sun god Mithras. So he began to… in exchange for the ending of the persecution, he asked the church to honor him as the head of the church, and to allow him to begin to make some changes in the church that he called the Council of Nicaea. Basically that was where he outlawed the celebrating of Biblical feasts, he brought pagan feasts into the church…
Sid: Now why did he hate things Jewish?
Robert: Well as a Roman Emperor you know the Jews had rebelled against Rome twice. So for the Romans the Jews were a conquered people, hostile to Rome, that was how they were described. So he really saw the Jews as enemies, he didn’t want anything to do with them.
Sid: Yes, but how did the Christians accept paganism coming into their worship?
Robert: That’s a good question. I think in the course of the book here, the manuscript, I go into a lot of that. They didn’t accept it very easily. As a matter of fact, they were still passing decrees in church councils for 400 or 500 years after this trying to stamp out the practice of Biblical feasts, and Shabbats, and things like that.
Sid: So you’re saying even after Constantine for 400 or 500 years we know from the records there were real Christians that still tried to hang on to their Biblical Jewish roots.
Robert: Exactly. It’s interesting, and I give a lot of the council decrees in the manuscript. In the Council of Antioch in 345 which is 20 years after Constantine made his decrees, said “Any bishop, presbyter, or deacon who will dare after this decree to celebrate Passover with the Jews let them be anathema from the church.” Basically he says “No one else in the church is allowed to talk to them.” The Council of Laodicea says the same thing in 365, then the Council of Ogday France in 506, council after council issuing harsh punishments and decrees if the church doesn’t stop celebrating its Jewish festivals. That’s just a picture of the commitment the church had to celebrating the Biblical feasts and festivals.
Sid: Well let’s just kind of, for those aren’t initiated in this. How did we go from Passover, which I might add in the King James Bible it literally translates from the Greek, the clear Greek word that means Passover to Easter? I mean that was an intentional mistranslation. How did we get from Passover, which we know the first church celebrated the resurrection of Jesus, to Easter?
Robert: Well that was Constantine at the Council of Nicaea. He said “This is not right that the church should celebrate a Jewish holiday, a Jewish feast.” Basically he outlawed it. He reset the date for celebration of Jesus’ resurrection to the time of the holiday the Romans already celebrated which was the spring fertility festival. The festival was in honor of the goddess Ishtar, or Eostre, and her symbol was the egg. It was a very popular festival for the Romans. So he took the celebration of the resurrection out of the Biblical context of Passover, put it in the context of a pagan fertility goddess celebration. In the King James, in the English speaking world we didn’t even change the name. If you look up the word Easter in any dictionary it will say that is from the name of a pagan fertility goddess. So Christian’s all over the English speaking world will come up to the time of celebrating the resurrection of Jesus, and basically say “We are going to celebrate Easter,” which is the name of a pagan goddess.
Sid: And where in the Bible does it talk about celebrating the birth of Jesus, Christmas?
Robert: Well it never does. I think… you know I don’t mind Christians celebrating Christmas.
Sid: No, and I hope people aren’t getting the wrong message from our discussion Robert because… you know there’s nothing wrong with knowing the facts.
Robert: Exactly. You know I tell our congregation I am so thankful we have a time in our culture where it is acceptable for people talk about the birth of Jesus, and talk about who Jesus was.
SID: So my friend, young kid, is traveling with William Freeman. He’s seeing miracles. Cancer, you can’t even stand in this man’s presence. So he said, I’m going to do the same thing, “I’m going to seek God.” And you spent hours seeking God and what happened?
DON: The initial action of bowing on my knees, praying after hours, nothing seen was happening. And I got up and sat on the altar, opened my Bible to Philippians, Chapter 2, where the Bible says, “God has highly exalted Jesus and given him the name above every name in Heaven, Earth and Hell.” And I, the revelation of the power of Jesus’ name became awesome to me. And it was the greatest name of things in Heaven and Earth and under the earth, and I was just ready and primed to meet someone who could fill that category.
SID: In other words, what happened is God was beginning to show him that he didn’t need a visitation from an angel. He just needed to believe God’s Word. So he began believing God’s Word. And you pray for a nine-year-old boy who had a brain tumor.
DON: Right. Yes, this happened in Joplin, Missouri, where Grandma Davis called me. She said, “I know you have been with Brother Freeman and I believe you can come and pray for my grandson. He’s coming this weekend. He’ll be with us and all his father is bringing in. And we want you to come and pray for this boy. He’s given up to die, no hope.” And it was just like a fire in my belly. I had to go and minister to that boy, to use His authority that I received in this revelation. And I laid my hands on the boy, cursed the brain tumor in Jesus’ name and commanded it to depart. There was no obvious or immediate change by any appearance. But when the parents took their son back to the Barnes Hospital in St. Louis for a new examination, they found out that the brain tumors were all gone. And that was a testimony that stood the test of time, for the boy grew up and became a father and it was a wonderful result. Well that was just the beginning of my ministering.
SID: Tell me about the man…. Now get this, he prayed for a man that had his kneecap removed. Tell me about him.
DON: Yes. His name, he came up in the prayer line, hobbling, and I asked him, “What do you want?” He said he want to be prayed for. And I said, “What’s your name?” He said, “Lucky Metz.” And I said, “Lucky, you haven’t been very lucky, have you?” And he explained to me, 22 years before he had been in an accident and his kneecap had to be removed surgically. For 22 years, he had no kneecap. And so I said, “Well the first thing to take care of, are you a born-again Christian?” And he said, “No, I’m not.” And I said, “I’d like to encourage you to receive Jesus.” I said, “You can go to Heaven without a kneecap, but you can never enter there without a relationship to Jesus Christ.” And he responded. And I led him a sinners prayer and he received Christ by faith. And I said, “Now the same Lord who has saved your soul has been your great physician.” So I laid hands upon that place where the kneecap had been and in Jesus’ name spoke what I call a creative miracle in his name, the wonderful name of Jesus. And when he lifted up his left leg he had a new kneecap…totally created a kneecap.
SID: Now that is normal. That is what it’s supposed to be. Now Don, do you believe that anyone that understands the Word of God in reference to healing can do the same things that you do?
DON: I think anyone who will have confidence in the authority of Jesus’ name, just like Peter and John did at the gate, and the scripture says, “In his name, through faith, in his name has made this man strong whom you see and know. Yea the faith which is by him has given this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.” If anyone will embrace the six specific scriptures in John 14, 15, 16, where Jesus gave authority for us to speak his name, and thank God, that name itself is the great healer and the device of God, as it were, to minister miracles. And he said these signs shall follow, not just the apostles or the preachers, the evangelists, but these signs shall follow the believers. In my name they shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover.” And I’ve seen that demonstrated many times for years over and over, thousands of times, I’m sure over the span of all these years. But any believer who will simply take the authority. And the disciples prayed when they met together, “Lord, grant to us your service that with all boldness we make speak your word by stretching forth to heal and the signs and wonders may be done in Jesus’ name.” What an awesome prayer I prayed almost every day of my life since that time the revelation came. And what was the result of that? The Bible says that, “When they had prayed they were filled with the Holy Spirit and they began to speak the Word of God with boldness.” That is what I believe any person who will let the Lord give them that holy boldness and dare to speak the name of Jesus with authority. It’s the authority of his name is what brings the healings and miracles.
SID: What caused you to realize this truth? Something, it exploded in you. You believe that more than anything else. What caused that belief in you?
DON: It was just the working of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit, the great teacher of the body, and I embraced that truth and it just burned in my spirit now. I’ve gone to India 24 times, as well as God has sent me to 56 nations. And every nation I’ve gone it’s been the same result. I always prepare my heart by the Word of God in the name of Jesus. And I know that when I step out and minister to the masses of people, usually the crowds are tens of thousands in India, and in the mass crowds impossible to lay hands on them all. So I simply speak the authority of Jesus’ name. I mean, it’s with such confidence. It’s his name above every name.
SID: You know the authority of the name of Jesus is not only so you can pray for other people, but it’s also so you can be totally whole. And God spoke to me that, two things. Number one, when we come back I’m going to have Don Gossett pray a prayer of faith for you. You’ve never heard a prayer of faith like he’s going to pray for you, and you’re going to be healed. But he also told me the second thing that many of you that have pains in your bones, arthritis, any type of pain in your bones throughout your whole body, the healing river of Jesus is moving on you right now.
SID: Now Apostle Maldonado told me that early this morning he was praying, and God gave him instructions on great miracles that are going to happen. But before that, we hear a phrase, “The Kingdom of God.” Tell me what that means.
APOSTLE MALDONADO: You know, when Jesus taught about the Our Father prayer, at the end of that prayer he said, “Yours is the Kingdom and the power, and the glory.” I call it the three realms of God. Well the Kingdom is the government of Heaven. The power is the ability of Heaven and the Glory is the atmosphere of Heaven, like what we feel now. So every time we preach the government, God has to confirm it with power. Any way you see it power is in the middle. The question is if we preach the kingdom, where is the power? If we preach the kingdom, where is the atmosphere of Heaven? When Jesus, I want you to pray this way, and let they said, “Let your kingdom come and let your will be done as it is in Heaven.” In Heaven, there’s no recession. In Heaven, there’s no sickness. In other words, our moral, our pattern here, any believer can bring Heaven on Earth now. So Kingdom is the government of God that we have delegated by Jesus. When Jesus came, he brought the Kingdom. He said, the Kingdom is within you, is in you. Any believer can bring the Kingdom here on Earth. If you go to pray for a person with cancer, you go in Jesus’ name. There’s no cancer in Heaven. That is my pattern. I will bring Heaven on Earth right now. If you believe it, it will happen.
SID: Well let’s, I want you to give me an example of that. There was this youth pastor that got the revelation of the resurrection, and he had a small youth group, and it grew. You’re telling me it grew to something like 4000 once he got this revelation.
APOSTLE MALDONADO: Well that’s the pattern, Sid. And every minister that comes in contact with our minister, that’s the pattern. This youth pastor came. He was activated through watching my teaching and reading my books. So he was so touched, and he went back into his church, and started activating the young people. It went to 4000 kids.
SID: Now one of the kids, a 12-year-old, his mother dies.
APOSTLE MALDONADO: Yes.
SID: The first thing a 12-year-old would think when their mother dies is not, God, I want my mother to come back to life. But he did. So he calls the wife of the youth pastor. And what happens?
APOSTLE MALDONADO: And she was in the movie, as a matter of fact. She was not in prayer. She was watching a movie. And she got the call, and said, “Who’s this?” “My mother just died. The doctors came. They checked. She’s dead.” And she said, “Well let me apply what I learned with Apostle Maldonado.” So she rebuked the spirit of death and the mother came back to life.
SID: Now that is normal. I pray that the whole world would become normal. For instance, you have verified miracles of people that have died and come back to life. But what’s more exciting to me than those verified miracles that you’ve had is your most recent School in the Supernatural. Tell me how many.
APOSTLE MALDONADO: We got 2500 people came into the School of Supernatural, foreign countries, large churches, small churches, big churches, business people, normal regular believers came into the school. And I took testimony. I said, “I’ve been teaching you how to walk in the supernatural.” I bring testimony. And 25 of those people came to testify. They got 25 people raised from the dead. And I’m very careful when I say that. I say, well, give me the documents. Where are the papers? And they brought out the documents saying, we have seen it in India, we saw it in South America, we’ve seen it in America. I mean, this should be normal. One of the believers, 30 days, had been saved for 30 days, and his boss fell from 16-20 feet, fell on the floor and he’s dead. Paramedics came, checked him out, and they said, “Don’t touch him. He’s dead.” So he goes, “Can you allow me to pray.” And just 30 days in my church. But he said, Pastor was teaching about rebuking the death of the people,” and he said, “Let me pray for him.” He rebuked the spirit of death and the man came back to life. Now the man got saved, went last week into baptism, water baptism, and both came and are being trained now to do miracles.
SID: That’s the way it supposed to be. Now we’re coming into a time in the history of Planet Earth where money isn’t going to be worth anything, where fear is going to be rampant. People, you think there is unemployment now, you haven’t seen anything yet. But that is not the government of God. Tell me about Dr. Gamel.
APOSTLE MALDONADO: Dr. Gamel, what I’m saying, when you walk in the power of the Kingdom and the resurrection you will see all kinds of miracles. Dr. Gamel is one of my Cuban doctors that came from Cuba, and he went me to Argentina. And being there the Lord said to me, “I will do a supernatural provision. I will bring supernatural provision now.” So I just declared it. And there’s some crazy people in the audience and they said, I got it, I receive it, you know. There’s some people that say, let me analyze it, let me. And there are some crazy people like you. We got some people that believe. We got the miracle. If you’re watching right now. So the doctor said, I believe he took some money from his house, took some out from the box in the house and paid the ticket to go to Argentina. But he said, “This is the rent. I need to pay my rent with this money.” So when I declared the supernatural provision, so he said, “Lord, you know, I did an effort to come here, because I didn’t have the money.” So he said, “Lord, you do something.” So he called his wife and said, “Let’s believe.” When he came back from Argentina, he told his wife, “Go over there and check.” So when they went back to the little box they found $11,200.
SID: Now I have to repent. I have to repent. I said I would turn him loose to teach. Next segment he will teach and you will receive the revelation.