sidroth on December 24th, 2013

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SID: I don’t know anything like worship to transport you supernaturally to the Throne of Heaven. Now Freddie, you had a vision about Michael the Archangel. Who is Michael?

FREDDY: Michael in the scriptures is referred to, his name means, “who is like God”.  He’s very powerful. He’s the archangel, he’s the general of Heaven, the general of the armies, chief five-star general, we’d call him in America. And he is the one who was sent in Daniel, Chapter 10, when Daniel fasted and prayed for 21 days. And there was a very powerful warring angel helping him fight the Prince of Persia. The demonic powers that were coming at Israel then.

SID: Isn’t that interesting. Persia, you know, is Iran. So back then, he was fighting the Prince of Iran. Go ahead.

FREDDY: Same deal. Hezbollah, all this, it’s really, it’s not geopolitical problem. It’s a spiritual problem always. And so Daniel wasn’t going let Israel go down the tubes. He was going to pray and fast, and no one else did. If no one else did he was going to stand. And you know, God honored that. God honors the prayer, one, I don’t care if it’s one, if you’re 85 years old and widow. You can be the most powerful person in your city if you’ll engage in hidden intercession with the Lord and pray for Israel and pray for revival. So that’s what Daniel was doing. And he, there was a sign to him, a powerful angel. But this angel could not overcome the Prince of Persia. Couldn’t. So after 21 days, God said, “Okay Michael, go.” Michael came and said, “Daniel, you have good hands, clean hands, you’re a man of God. I’ve come and I’m going to take care of you now.” So you know, Michael did come in. And so Michael is this celestial prince and he’s also given the specific duty, a lot of Bible scholars believe, Jewish scholars as well, that he is the Celestial Prince of Israel.

SID: Daniel makes that pretty clear. Go ahead.

FREDDY: Yes. And I think that he is on notice to stand guard for Israel. So the other day when I was thinking about the program and praying, I was sitting in my chair and I was just sitting at home, and all of a sudden I had this vision. And I saw in one of the songs I sing, [singing] He had golden curly hair with eyes like liquid lightening [talking] with these beautiful glory-like beads, glory beads, powerful, powerful creature, 10 foot tall. And I saw him in the vision. And then he said, “Behold,” and around Israel was encamped fiery chariots, and all these angelic hosts. And I said, “What is going on?” And this was before I heard about the possibility of, you know, chemical weapons attacks, whatever. But there’s a spiritual dynamic going on right now where Michael has specifically been in these End Times, because it talks about in the End Times, we know we’re in the End Times there is a time of Michael. And I heard it clearly, the Lord speak, “This is the time of Michael. Get up and pray. There isn’t a lot of time left. Prepare my people. Prepare my people. I’m coming. The Messiah is coming to rule and reign from Jerusalem, the holy city.” We need to redeem the time, we need to hasten his return by praying and praying for Israel, and empower the intercessors. It’s a call to intercessors and people everywhere to uphold, like Daniel, these angels. Because like Aaron and Hur upheld the hands of Moses, I mean, Moses was a pretty spiritual guy. He was at the burning bush. He was worshiper. But he got tired at times. And he needed help. The angels are the same way. They’re not omnipotent.

SID: Let’s—

FREDDY: They need our prayers.

SID: Let’s make “The Song of Michael”, if you would go the music set. Let’s make “The Song of Michael” your prayer. Because right now God is calling you to intercede for the Nation Israel, because the Nation Israel, Jesus said, “I will not return until the Jewish people, [Hebrew], blessed is he who comes who comes in the name of the Lord.” Make this your prayer for protection and safety of the Land of Israel. “The Song of Michael.”

FREDDY [music, singing]: [Latin] Gloria. There in the night sky beyond the skylight in a vision I see glory, the archangels and Michael’s hands are raising. Angels… and God let me hear celestial beauty… He will break my spirit free to sing the angel song… Your glorious realm. I want to see your holy face… of blazing beauty. God help me, you make my spirit free to sing the angel song all around your glorious realm.

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sidroth on December 19th, 2013

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Sid: We want everyone everywhere laying hands on the sick and seeing miracles.  Because the truth of the matter is even if miracles break out in a church only so many people can go into a church; only so many people are willing to go into a church.  But what’s going to happen when born again believer’s take God’s word as literal truth and start moving and laying hands on the sick.  You know teaching is cheap, preaching is cheap but when the rubber meets the road.  For instance, I’ve been interviewing all this week Don Gossett.  Don Gossett had the high privilege of being mentored by of the top healing evangelists in the world that’s traveled with a number of them. And he teaches on healing that this generation just doesn’t have a clue. But what happens when a man that teaches all over the world develops cancer; deadly melanoma.  Don tell me about that when that happened to you. I mean it’s one thing to teach it’s another thing to see other people healed.  But then when you get hit yourself it’s a whole new ball game isn’t it.

Don: It certainly is; well I had had a growth on the side of my head it was a mole there about the size of the end of my finger and then it began to change in color and size and then it became really ugly in appearance.  I combed my hair over my temples to hide it’s repulsiveness and this continued on for some time.  And I begin to apply the principals of faith and prayer and actions that I had done in past days for other things.  Just persisting that there would be a manifestation of God’s healing for my body.

Sid: Now when someone perhaps would notice that and would say to you “What is that?”  How would you answer them?

Don:  Well,  I would perhaps say something like “I have faith that God’s going to undertake for it and God’s going to heal it or it’s going to go or something in that nature;” not trying to be passive but trying  not to be indifferent about it.  But then I was getting ready to go to an overseas mission when I was having a final breakfast with all my 5 children and my wife.  So my son said “Dad we’re really concerned about that ugly growth inside of your head; before you leave for missions tomorrow we wish you’d see a doctor and find out exactly what the nature of it is.” So I consented to my children’s request and was able to make an appointment at that same afternoon with a doctor and he did his initial test and then he left the room and came back in and said “Reverend Gossett how soon can you be ready for surgery?”  I said “Surgery? I had no idea that you had this in mind.”  He said it’s imperative that we have surgery as soon as possible.”  He said “My prognoses at present moment is that you have a cancerous growth there that needs to be tended to at once.”  I said “Well doctor I have a problem I’m scheduled to leave tomorrow for an overseas mission’s been schedule for months.  The advertising has been done; it’d be a great king disappointment if I don’t arrive.  He said “Well, if you go  how soon will you be gone?”  I said about a month.  He looked at his calendar and he said “On March the 4th we’ll have this surgery.”  And then he warned me about the potential danger of the growth and later that same day a paper was put in my hand that said that “If you have a growth about this same color and texture of this growth you have only 6 months to live.”  Well, that was quite devastating to me because I had no concept that my life was going to end in six months or any soon period.  And when we got to overseas I was really battling intense fears; I mean the fears became very real.

Sid: As real as I said earlier it’s easy to preach it when it’s someone else it’s a whole new ball game when it’s someone else.

Don: That correct, well I would look at myself in the mirror and I would battle with the spirit of pity.  And Harold Hill would say “I’d have a pity party” and I was really feeling sorry for myself.  And you know as a Christian I wasn’t afraid to die because I knew that Heaven would be my eternal destiny but I didn’t want to die; I had a life I wanted to live and I wanted to invest it for God’s glory.  But then one day my wife saw me looking at myself in the mirror touching the growth slightly and she said “Somebody I know is having some real fears” and I thought she came in to give me some little tender loving care but that wasn’t her operation. She sad “Don Gossett shame on you.”  I said “Shame on me why did you say that?”  She said “You’re the preacher that’s preached all these messages on overcoming fear and here you are fearing.”  I said “Oh, but honey this is for real it’s happening to me.”

Sid: (Laughing)

Don:  And she said “Well, there’s 3 things God wants you to know I’m convinced.”  Number 1 you may have the surgery so don’t be frustrated by that fact but number 2 you may not have the surgery God may intervene and heal you by His power but number 3 don’t give place to fear because like the old Job God told him that the thing that you greatly feared came upon you.”  And with that she put her hand on my chest and began to rebuke the spirit of fear like it was a monster; I mean that woman commanded that spirit of fear to leave my life.

Sid: Now when the Bible talks about a helpmate that’s really what you had.”

Don:  That’s right she really helped me and suddenly like a fetter around my chest that fear was broken around my chest that fear was broken.  And I can say again gratefully I never again had a fear of that ugly growth even though I could see it staring me in the face.

Sid: Well, how did you pray; how did you pray; did you worship God I want you to get really specific and tell me what you did and why you did it.

Don:  Well, I was convinced that my answer was in the word of God itself and this speaking forth principal had already been part of my life so it wasn’t anything new. But I began every day to rise up and speak the healing word “That by His stripes I’m healed, that Himself took my infirmities and bared my sicknesses that He took His word and healed me from all my destruction.”  And on and on would speak what we call the healing scriptures and they were not just little theories they were realities to my life and I was speaking them with confidence.  And I continued to do that week after week while I was overseas.  And you may ask what happened to the growth?  Well frankly it just got uglier and worse.

Sid: Now while it was getting uglier and worse and you are worshiping God and you are believing God for all your worth did your faith teeter a little bit?

Don: You know as I recall there was several years ago I’m sure there were probably times when my faith was certainly challenged I’ll just be frank about that. But I continued to persist on I knew that the principal of if you hold fast to your confession of faith without wavering for He who promised is faithful.  That if any man wavers in his faith let not that man think that he’ll receive anything from the Lord; James 1 says.  And on and on I began to just put into practice the principals that I had taught and preached and lived by.  And on the day after the month was over we were flying back home. On March the first I reached up and half of that growth fell out into my hand.  And then ….

Sid:  Huh, now try to remember when half of it fell out in your hand how did you feel?

Don:   I was grateful, I was grateful that something was being manifested in a remarkable way that a miracle was undertaking; that the supernatural of God was flowing and I was thankful.  Well, on that night of March the 3rd that night in my sleep the rest of that growth all came off.  I awakened about 6:00 in the morning and there was nothing there; now there was a head there.

Sid: I’m glad.

Don:  And I raised up to the mirror and I saw that it was totally gone and it was smooth as baby skin and  I came back to my bed and there on the covers was that old growth all scattered.  And I awakened my wife and I said “Good morning honey, this is the day that I’m scheduled for surgery and there is nothing to surge – hallelujah!”

Sid: You know that was talk about the midnight God the midnight hour and you mean just before the surgery it came off.

Don:  It came off during that night of March the 3rd; what a remarkable event.  And so at breakfast with my son and my wife we discussed it “What am I going to do, nothing like this has ever happened to me?” We decided we were going to keep my appointment and I went that day to the cancer institute for the test for the surgery.  And I said as we got to the room I said “Nurse, you may not have noticed but I don’t have that growth anymore.  She said “You don’t have the growth, what happened to it?”   I said “Jesus Christ healed it.”  Well, that made her nervous of course and she said “I better get the doctor.”  And the first doctor of the case he came back with my medical chart, he began to exam my head and he began to read the chart again and he said, “I better get the other doctor.”   He was in a case more than I.  Well, when he brought back the second doctor, the second doctor was rather dubious he said “What’s this Don I hear you working a wonder on yourself?”  I said “Doctor I didn’t do it Jesus Christ has done it” and I then shared with him briefly how I battled intense fears and how my wife prayed with me and I was set free of the fear and how I’d been speaking the word of God itself.  And how in just the past 48 hours the healing had manifested and here I stood before them and they of course they kept checking around, they kept testing and touching my head to see if was there anything left at all.”  But it was a testimony of God’s glory and I’m very grateful.  And the principal of speaking the word became my source of victory.

Sid: You know Don, we’re just about out of time now.

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sidroth on December 10th, 2013

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Sid: My guest Dr. Francis Myles, well on yesterday’s broadcast we found out he had a lot of discrimination.  He’s going to an all-white Bible college; they ask him to speak at a ministers meeting and he says “I’m going to let these people know how unhappy I am and how insensitive they are to me and I’m going to really give these pastors the business.” But that night he’s praying and he sees a couple and the couple he has a prophetic word, a couple to pray for them.  And that they don’t even want his prayers but he then has liquid oil flow throughout his whole body and all of a sudden there’s no room for hate.  It’s this liquid oil Francis was God’s love.  Tell, me what happened.

Francis:  Yeah, so I have this vial of liquid love being poured from my head Sid and as it comes down my head I become aware even in my head.  People don’t know that the love of God is the most powerful force in creation and when it begins to function even my mind became alive.  I became alive, I knew as it went through my mind I knew how much God loved me I was no longer in doubt about how he loved me but instantaneously I knew also in my mind how he loved the white people that had hurt me that I was bitter against that I wanted to exact vengeance against.  I was aware of how deeply He loved them in my mind.  But by the time the liquid love got to my heart I was done because now my emotions get deluged by the love of God.  And I look at this white couple that I don’t want to love at this point because I feel like loving them right now is going to rob me of ammunition and I’m going to… I need to be a little bit angry when I speak to this white pastors the following day.  But you see it’s caught up in the liquid love, as the liquid love covered my heart all of a sudden Sid I loved this white couple like I’ve never loved human beings ever, it was total love.  I didn’t care what they did to me, I just knew I loved them with everything.

Sid: I have to ask you this, that is wonderful in that situation but has it continued?  Do you walk in this kind of compassion and love right now today?

Francis: And you know what and glory to God, that’s what happened when the baptism.  But afterwards the Holy Spirit said what you have given today is the baptism of love.  And I tell you since that day you know I’m human like everybody else but it’s very difficult to get me offended where it goes into the next day.  I just slides off of me, I love God’s people, I love God’s people it’s the gift that remains, it’s the gift that remained.  Yes it’s beautiful to me to be in a place like that only to the glory of God.

Sid: Now let me ask you because this is so so imperative it’s so important.  God gave you a revelation on generational curses I have never ever heard anyone teach it the way you teach it.  Did this just kind of evolve or how did you get this revelation?

Francis:  I got this revelation after I wrote my book “The Order of Melchizedek” I had a couple of businessmen came to visit me in Texas and I just remembered that I forgot something.  We were at the resort and I forgot something in the parking lot so I rushed to go and get it and it was at 10 pm.  When I got the stuff out of my car as I was walking out the glory of God the form of the Messiah just stood next to me.  I could see it with my spiritual eyes He was standing next to me and in white garments.  And He said to me “Son, let’s walk, let’s go walk.”  So the Lord is walking me back to the resort and then He said “It is time.” I said “What is time?”  He said “It is time for My people to experience genetic salvation.”  I said “What is genetic salvation?”

Sid: I know about salvation but what is; what is genetic salvation?

Francis:  He said “Genetic salvation Son is when the finish work of the cross is applied to be healing of your genetics so that the enemy no longer has a door in your genes to impeach or delay the fulfillment of your destiny here on earth.

Sid: What are the types of curses that because of this genetic deficiency that goes… now see I’ve heard about people going back 4 generations as it actually says you know that in the Bible.  But what the Lord showed you was that you go back all the generations to Adam.

Francis:  Yes, you know the Lord said to me the whole teaching He gave to me is this. He said “Son there is two Adams, and there is two Adams and each of those two Adams have their own genetic template.  He said “My people are born again but they’re still holding on to the genetics of the first Adam meanwhile in Me is the last Adam.”

Sid: So we’re kind of schizophrenic (Laughing)

Francis: Yeah.

Sid: Sort of like Paul said in Romans “I’m doing what I don’t want to do.”

Francis: Yes, that’s exactly but you know Sid that the apostle that said t that Sid ended up saying that, “Thank God for the Messiah, thank God that the Messiah has a solution for me.  And Romans 7 ends up in a triumph entire victory for the Christian; for the born again believers; because the Messiah, the last Adam, has a whole new genetic bloodline for  us we don’t have to live in the genetic bloodline of the first Adam.

Sid:  What are some of the curses that people can have from their genetic bloodline?

Francis:  Well, bankruptcy; we prayed for a guy in Austin, Texas who every business he would start it would default.  It troubled this man every business that he would start failed been in business four in a row almost wiped him out financially.  The fifth business he told his sister “If this one fails I’m done, I’m done with business.”  So the man jumped the line, because when the man jumped the line it’s a prophetic act that they’re jumping out of the genetics of the last Adam and their jumping into the genetics of the inheritance of Yeshua purchased on the cross.  And that’s why the miracles happen because the genetics of Jesus have no curse attached to them.  So what happened to the man in Austin as soon as he did that he got within a couple of weeks he got an offer for another businessman to buy off his company, a young company for 5 million dollars.  You know and I believe from my understanding he took it.  So there are financial, there are curses that cause people to blood disorders, a woman with rheumatoid arthritis.

Sid: Rheumatoid arthritis what happened?

Francis:  She had it so bad on a scale of 1 to 20 how bad is your rheumatoid arthritis?  She said “Twenty plus that day I cried to Jesus to cut off my legs.”  Well, God told me “Son it’s genetic, she gives up the genetics of the first Adam and comes into My genetics what will happen right in front of you.”  And she got… she jumped the line in front of a past in Austin, Texas.  The woman could hardly walk, she began to run, totally healed of very outrageous rheumatoid arthritis that even killed family members in the past. So we know that this is different it can come from different angels and people.  If they’ve got generational curses where they have not allowed woman in the family to get married you know and no matter how beautiful they are you know, there are all kinds of curses that can be attached to the genetics of the first Adam.  That’s why Yeshua…

Sid: Even a propensity of addictions of all kinds. How about something like homosexuality?

Francis:  Oh yes, even something like that because as you know that’s an unnatural behavior.  God said to me, He said “Much of what you people you guys are in gay lifestyle is because of the malfunction of the genetics within the first Adam.

Sid: You know I believe that so many homosexuals will be set free from this but people addicted to anything are going to be set free.  People are in their finances, in their families.  And the way that you tie it in with the order of Melchizedek and you actually pray, and you take them step by step how to break these generational curses.  And as you call it I like that terminology everyone needs genetic salvation.  How did these things keep passing on, isn’t it good enough that we just believe in Jesus. Why isn’t it just broken on that?

Francis:  Well because Jesus told me this, He said “Son the way generation is made up of two words, gene and generation.”  So it’s a generational curse by definition then the Lord said to me is “Genes.”  It’s a curse, it’s a curse that’s attached to your ration genes.  So it’s nothing to do with your salvation. So it’s just what He told me, that’s why when you born again you must understand you must give up those ration of genes.  That just like when you came to the Lord.  He said “Son everything in the New Covenant is about confession, by confession the way is made unto salvation.”  See everybody… Jesus has paid the price Sid for people to be born again and to go to go to heaven but they must be able to appropriate that He is the Messiah.  And so all of the sudden they get saved in their soul.  God said “It’s the same way you have to appropriate but for someone who keeps saying “Well, I am from the Rockefeller family, I am from this family and that family.”  God said “You are taking ownership of the rational genes and legally the devil has the right to come through those genetics to be able to hinder or at least to delay your destiny from being fulfilled.

Sid: Your teaching is so marvelous from the book of Romans or even Galatians “I’ve been crucified with Messiah it’s no longer I who live.”  You make it so clear, what feedback do you get from people that hear… oop forget that question we’re out of time.

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sidroth on December 2nd, 2013

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SID: Tom, how in the world did Washington D.C. and the Vatican have these masonic symbols and buildings, etc.? Where did that come from?

TOM: Well again, it goes back to the influences of these early Freemasons who had an idea about how they wanted to build what we would call an occult democracy. For instance, you can go to the Library of Congress website and read an article called, “The Most Approved Plan”. And this goes back to early America, where they were advertising for different architectural firms to submit their plan about how the capitol city could be built. And after all the plans came in our own government website says they were all rejected because Thomas Jefferson wanted a plan that would be based similar to the design in Rome, where you would have a dome facing an obelisk. And furthermore, he wanted it dedicated to all pagan gods. That’s on our own government website. That’s exactly what’s written.

SID: So this represents the sexual organs that say the Washington Monument and you say the Capitol represents that. What does that mean in Masonic and cultic terms?

TOM: Well because the Freemasons, a great deal of their mysticism is based on ancient Egyptian magic. And this design, a dome, which is the ever-pregnant belly of Isis in their mythology facing an obelisk, which is the erect manhood of the god Osiris, was a magic utility. This was designed in ancient Egypt for one purpose, and that was to raise from the underworld the spirit of Osiris so he could take his place in the Pharaoh so that the country, Egypt, could have divine representation in their king. Well that’s exactly the template you have laid out in Washington, D.C. It’s exactly the template you have at the Vatican.

SID: Why is it the same things in the Vatican?

TOM: Same thing at the Vatican where you have a dome facing an obelisk. As a matter of fact, the obelisk in St. Peter’s Square was removed from the ancient city of Heliopolis where it was built and dedicated to the god Osiris. And when they took it to the Vatican and when Pope Sixtus had it put in the middle of the square there, he actually performed an exorcism on it trying to expel the demon of Osiris from the obelisk.

SID: And again, this Osiris is the same, it’s a code for Antichrist of the New Covenant.

TOM: Well it is the god Apollo to the Greeks. In fact, you see that marriage, not only on the Great Seal. Look at the Statue of Liberty, which was built by Eiffel, the famous Eiffel Tower building, built by French Freemasons.

SID: That’s occult, too?

TOM: Well it is. According to its own literature, you can look it up and read it yourself, it was built to have the body of Isis, which was dedicated to Osiris and the head of Apollo. So once again, it is the marriage of the Egyptian Osiris and the Greek god Apollo, which is one and the same, according to many ancient historians.

SID: Now you say there’s a masonic significance even to 9/11.

TOM: Well we believe there is. And without getting bogged down, President George W. Bush, January 20th, 2001, he steps up, he gives his inaugural and twice he refers to the “angel that rides in the whirlwind and directs the storm.”

SID: Where did that term come from?

TOM: That is a Freemason, well first of all, it’s an occultic term. It refers to Metatron.  There’s various things for the angel and the whirlwind. But for years, in fact for at least a decade before 9-1-1, occultists said that when it became time to initiate the New World Order the code word would be “the angel and the whirlwind.” And if you go in where I have been, into the house of the temple, the headquarters of the 33rd degree Masons, they have a dedicatory in there to George W. Bush for donating more than a million dollars to help propagate Freemasonry in the United States. And I voted for him, so I’m not picking on him.

SID: You know, this is a very persuasive thing. This isn’t just some random speculation. Now why do you say the years 2012 to 2016, something very significant involving the Antichrist will occur? Why do you say that?

TOM: Well first of all, I got on that because there is a 500-year-old Mayan prophecy that said that in the colony count in 1776, there would be a 13-step countdown ending in the year 2012. And when you read the prophecy, it is literally 300 years earlier describing the Great Seal of the United States. We have 1776, 13 steps over which is hovering the all-seeing eye, which is a prophecy of the return of that god, starting in 2012 through 2016. But also many other ancient cultures, ancient Jews, the Hindu and their Kali Yuga calendar, even, Sid, even turn-of-the-century Protestant reformers like “old sinners in the hands of an angry god.”

SID: Right.

TOM: Jonathan Edwards wrote in his letters, which are preserved in universities, that he believed the Antichrist would appear between the years 2012 and 2016. We found that redundancy over and over, and the question became, what was motivating these people? By what inspiration were people for both hundreds of years and thousands of years persuaded that the end would begin in the year 2012 through the year 2016. Why did they believe that?

SID: What do you believe?

TOM: Well I believe when I look around the world today two things are going to happen. One, we definitely could see the emergence of the man of sin any time now, and that also leads me to believe that we could have one of the greatest revivals in the history of humanity at any moment.

SID: I’m looking forward to that. What was one of the most amazing things, briefly, that you found?

TOM: Well one of the most amazing things had to be that of Chilam Balam.

SID: Who?

TOM: A Mayan prophet.

SID: Okay.

TOM: Three hundred years ago. But you know what was cool about it? Because this guy converted to Christianity as result of the—

SID: I thought the Mayans missed it.

TOM: Oh, the Spanish came in and they brought with the Gospel, and this was university level work that was done. When interpreting these ancient prophecies at the university level, they found that this guy had given his life to the Lord. So now, it put a brand new twist on how and why would he be talking about the colony count, 1776, and basically describing the Great Seal of the United States. It put a whole different kind of fascination on the whole thing. Despise not prophesying, right? Did this young convert, at one time, he was one of the worst pagans, did he indeed receive a revelation from God? He may have.

SID: But I thought the Mayans predicted and they missed the date.

TOM: No, they never said that. In fact, I’m on many TV shows and conferences that you can watch on You Tube, for the last 10 years, saying they never said that. What they said is actually more interesting. They said the end of 2012 would end an era and then a new and final dispensation of man would begin. Now that’s more interesting.

SID: Ask the question I posed to you. I posed to you, if you have to have some special DNA put into you so you’ll live much longer, so you won’t get cancer and dread diseases, and that’s the Mark of the Beast, will you accept it? You say, “No.” But I tell you this, if you do not know God, do you know what Jesus said? This is eternal life, that you might know Him. It didn’t say just I believe in him and I also believe in Santa Claus and I believe in lots of things or you go to a church that’s just religious. This is eternal life, that you might know him. Make him your Lord. Repent of your sins and start reading the Bible, and start worshiping God by doing what He says. You don’t know when your end is going to come. You get right with God now. You get to know Him now. This is eternal life.

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sidroth on November 25th, 2013

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SID: When Barbara teaches about the breaker anointing, literally the breaker, he shows up. I mean, it’s just the most amazing thing with the increase with the tangible presence of the Living God. Barbara, if you will go over to the teaching set. And I’m going to tell you something, the whole room is going to rock when she teaches and so will the room that you’re in right now.

BARBARA: We have bred big institutions and made them holding pens for believers when really the pattern of the New Testament church was they didn’t get everybody to go back in the upper room, put a steeple on it. And then because there were 2000 people crowding into what fit 120, they built a bigger upper room. We have been trying to get everybody in the church when we need to get everybody out of the church to where the people are. You are filled with waters. But until you let those rivers out, you are a dammed up place. And one of the words for breakthrough is “baal perazim”. But baal perazim is like the Hoover Dam. And the Hoover Dam being loosed out, that’s what God wants to loose. Can you imagine when the church gets loosed? I don’t know about you, but you need to just shout to God. You need to shout.

Audience: [shouting]

BARBARA: The word says that the shout shatters. The power of the enemy, if you look up the word “shout” in the Hebrew it literally means shatters what’s in the second heaven that’s standing against you. Some of you need to stand up and begin to shout because it shatters what’s in the second heaven that’s standing against you.

Audience: [shouting]

BARBARA: Oh yes. Oh yes. Oh yes. There’s things coming out many of you right now. Now keep standing. But what did He say? He said, “Clap your hands all you people. Shout unto God with a voice of triumph.” When you clap your hands you’re destroying the enemy. Don’t just clap your hands. Clap your hands with intention. Clap your hands with purpose. Clap your hands with determination because you are coming into a victory that you have never had. You are on the verge of breaking in to a ground you’ve never broken into before. Hallelujah! I want you to just lift both your hands. Just lift them up. When you lift up both your hands, what is that? That’s the sign of surrender and you’re surrendering to the God of gods, the King of kings, the Lord of lords. And I want you to say, “You reside inside of me.”

Audience: You reside of me.

BARBARA: You are the power inside of me.

Audience: You are the power inside of me.

BARBARA: Today

Audience: Today

BARBARA: I declare

Audience: I declare

BARBARA: I will no longer

Audience: I will no longer

BARBARA: Think as a natural man

Audience: Think as a natural man

BARBARA: Because a natural mind

Audience: Because a natural mind

BARBARA: Is at enmity with God.

Audience: Is at enmity with God.

BARBARA: But I will

Audience: But I will

BARBARA: Begin to think spiritually.

Audience: Begin to think spiritually.

BARBARA: The lion of the Tribe of Judah

Audience: The lion of the Tribe of Judah

BARBARA: Is roaring inside of me.

Audience: Is roaring inside of me.

BARBARA: In the power of the name of Jesus

Audience: In the power of the name of Jesus

BARBARA: And I am becoming

Audience: I am becoming

BARBARA: As a lion.

Audience: As a lion.

BARBARA: Now shout one more time.

Audience: [shouting]

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sidroth on November 20th, 2013

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SID: I heard of being immersed in water. I have heard of being immersed in the spirit. But have you ever heard of being immersed in love? Dr. Frances was subjected to a lot of bigotry because he was black and he was going to a white Bible school. And he was told to pray for a white couple, and he didn’t want to. But he loved God so much that he prayed for that couple, and he got baptized in love. Tell me briefly what happened.

DR. MYLES: Yes. All of a sudden, I’m looking at them and having difficulty trying to pray for them because of the bitterness and the anger was in my heart. A vial of liquid love was poured on my head and as it was coming down my mind became alive on how much God loved His people. I knew in that moment that God loves people beyond measure. And then by the time it got to my heart, I fell in love with this white couple more than I’ve ever felt for my own love.

SID: But you had bigotry your whole life. I mean, it wasn’t just the Bible school. I mean, how can you just instantly change like that? How could love this white couple with all that you went through?

DR. MYLES: It was so supernatural and it came up on me. As it came up on me and this baptism happened, my heart changed like this. It was so overpowering there was nothing I could do to stop it.

SID: Okay. This liquid love, you were praying for someone that had been insane for 20 years. What happened?

DR. MYLES: Yeah. They brought this woman, a difficult case to pray for because she smelled, because she was insane and used to sleep in the trash cans. So you can imagine when you have not taken a bath in 20 years, that’s not a good smell. And so everybody in the crusade was staying away from her because the smell was overpowering. The more she came close, I could smell her. And all of a sudden that liquid love came upon me and the smell disappeared. And as the liquid love came upon me, I saw into her spirit. Her spirit was encircled by thousands of demons. And then her spirit looked up to me and said, “Frances, I need your help.” And the Lord said, “Command them to unroll.” And I said, “Unroll in the name of the Messiah.” And it’s like an invisible hand reached out and touched one of the demons by the tail, and pulled him out, and the demons rolled out like that. And when the last one went out, the woman was instantly normal. And when she looked around, she was properly dressed . She began to say, “Why am I looking like this?” It was incredible. People started shouting and screaming.

SID: She was in her right mind.

DR. MYLES: Hallelujah. She was in her right mind.

SID: Okay. Now briefly, because we have just been invaded with a healing spirit of God’s love. But before I turn Dr. Frances loose, when Senator Obama was running for president, God told you, what did He say about him, that he would win?

DR. MYLES: He was 20 points behind Hillary Clinton. And what is amazing for me is my focus at that time was the Republican primary and I didn’t see it coming. But I went to sleep and I had a prophetic dream in which I was at the nomination ceremony for the nominee for the Democratic party, and I was in Denver. And when they opened the door, the announcer said, “Here comes our nominee, Senator Barak Obama.” And as he came through it was Barak Obama. And when he got to the podium and he began to give his nomination speech, his words were slurred because in the dream, he was drunk. And then all of a sudden, he went from being drunk to praying in tongues. And I’m like, what happened? When he started praying in tongues, some of the famous people around him began to walk away from him because they were shocked by him praying in tongues at the meeting. When it was all over, he walked out, and on his way out, he greeted me and then I woke up. And the Lord said, “He’s going to be president and he will be president twice.” He said, “The first year, the first term he’s going to govern as a liberal.” That’s the drunkenness you saw in the dream. But there’s a seed of Christ inside of him that has yet to be nurtured. And in the second term, as you pray, he will rise up and awaken to his faith and it will come a great political cause, politically, to some of his liberal friends who supported him, when he changes in mid-stream.

SID: Now this will only happen, listen to me, this will only happen if we pray. But I have to pay attention to the Holy Spirit right now. If you will pray for people, I believe we’re going to see more miracles. I mean, I believe there’s going to be an explosion of miracles. You felt the healing. Pray right now.

DR. MYLES: Right now in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, Father, we come against cancers, we come against lupus, we come against diabetes. In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I thank you for the healing power of illness leaving us right now in Jesus’ name, the Messiah. There’s a man by the name of [unintelligible], I see you had an accident in your pickup truck. I think it’s a blue Ford pickup. And since then you’ve had tremendous back spasms, and I think you were in construction and you can hardly work now. But I feel the healing power of God is coming to you right now. God is healing you. Then I see another woman that you are contemplating on what to do next because your doctors have told you that your cancer, you need a surgery for your cancer. But they are saying that you might lose your, you might go blind in order for them to take out this cancer. But the Lord is healing you right now. There will be no need for the cancer and you are not going to lose your eyes in the name of Yeshua, the Messiah. Halleluiah. Praise God. Praise God.

SID: Well I’ll tell you what. I’m still soaking in it. But what did God show you between 2012 and 2022 for America?

DR. MYLES: The Lord said the next 10 years are going to be known as the golden years of the Melchizedek quarter. He said there’s going to be a restoration about a clear understanding of the Melchizedek priesthood of the Lord Jesus Christ, which will also lead to the greatest harvest of the Jewish people since the day of the apostles.

SID: Let that happen quickly. But what did He show you about the miraculous that will be on Earth?

DR. MYLES: Yes. He said, “During that 10 years,” He says, “My body will begin to understand fully what it means to function as a king and a priest who is representing me on Earth. And He said, “There is no king who is without power.” Whoever the king is has power. So He said, “As my people begin to function and kings and priests, we are going to see more miracles.” Either the church is going to go actually, it may even go beyond the healing work of what we saw some in the healing movement, because it’s going to be on a larger scale, not just evangelists, but it’s going to be the body walking in the supernatural.

SID: Has God shown you anything about what Paul calls the “one new man,” when all these Jewish people have encounters with God and then the ancient spiritual DNA on Jewish people mingles with the spiritual DNA on Christians. They come together and Paul calls it “one new man”. What do you believe that will happen at that time?

DR. MYLES: Well we’re going to see the greatest revival ever because it is literally Elijah’s double potion being released on the earth.

SID: And when Christians and Jews get a revelation of the blessings of Abraham, what are they, briefly, the blessings of Abraham.

DR. MYLES: Well the blessings of Abraham, very quickly, you know, Abraham, God blessed when he met Melchizedek. See, Abraham was called, in Chapter 12, but he was not blessed. God says, “I will bless you.” He got blessed. God said, “I will bless you,” in Chapter 12, became “I have blessed you.” When Melchizedek met him the blessing was released. Blessed be Abraham [unintelligible]. That’s when Abraham became blessed. So what we call the blessing of Abraham became the Melchizedek priesthood and it has several ingredients into it. One of them is the ability to represent the Melchizedek priesthood here on Earth. That’s when God wanted to destroy Sodom, He could not do it when talking to Abraham because he represented that priesthood on Earth. So God will now begin to deal with us before anything happens in our nations, because we’re representing a priesthood that is an executor of other nations. And so many things are attached to the blessing of Abraham.

SID: Well it’s time you have a revelation because if you’re Jewish and you believe in the Messiah, you have the full blessings of Abraham.

DR. MYLES: Yes.

SID: And if you’re gentile and you believe in the Messiah, you’re the same as Abraham’s seed by faith. So I pray you have a revelation of the blessings of Abraham. And when we go off the air, you jump over that bloodline and get free in Jesus’ name.

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sidroth on November 14th, 2013

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SID: Frances, explain what a generational curse is.

DR. MYLES: Well the Lord told me that a generational curse, if you break up the word, the word “generation” is made up of two words: “gene” and the word “aration”. He said a generational curse is a curse attached to generational genes you receive from you ancestors.

SID: Oh, so that’s interesting. The genes of your ancestors are the gene-arational, generational curse. Okay. And tell me how these patterns affect families.

DR. MYLES: They affect families, you know, because when Adam and Eve fell in the garden, see Adam and Eve were created with the DNA of God. And when they fell they lost that DNA. And so when they lost that DNA, now from Adam onwards, since the fall of Adam, every bloodline on the planet, no matter how famous it is, is compromised genetics. And because the enemy has demonic pathways in the genetics, he can still afflict God’s people even when they are believers because of whatever, what the Lord called liens, demonic liens against the DNA. And for some people demonic liens is spinsterhood. So no matter how beautiful the women are they never get married. Some people, it’s financial calamity. Whatever lien is in the bloodline, connected generational genes they receive from their ancestors, can affect their life tremendously.

SID: You have been shown things that I’ve never heard of before. For instance, where did you learn, what is and where did you learn to jump the line?

DR. MYLES: Well when the Lord came to me and visited me four years ago, He said to me, “It is time.” I said, “What do you mean, it is time?” He said, “It is time for my people to experience genetic salvation.” I said, “God, what is genetic salvation?” He said, “Genetic salvation is when the finished work of the cross is applied to the healing of my people’s genetics and giving them a new genetic inheritance.” So the enemy has no voice in the genetics to come against their prophetic destinies. And so He then took me into the spirit and He showed me a group of believers standing in front of a bloodline. But in the bloodline, standing in front of them was a lot of sound, like almost like a broken radio. And He said, “That sound you are hearing in the blood is a sound of iniquities from the forefathers that are fighting against my people coming into their destiny.” He said, “I want to silence that voice by my people receiving my genetic inheritance.” He said, “When I came to the planet my blood was shed not only to forgive your sins, but to create your own bloodline because Abraham missed the cursed bloodline.”

SID: So what does someone do when you tell them to jump the bloodline?

DR. MYLES: It’s a prophetic act. When they jump the prophetic bloodline, they’re simply saying prophetically that they are leaving the heritage of the compromised genetics of their ancestors and jumping to the Messiah’s flawless bloodline

SID: That sounds pretty good to me. Tell me about a businessman that did that.

DR. MYLES: We had a businessman who had four failed businesses and got a hold of this revelation in his garage. He did a prophetic act of renouncing his attachment and allegiance to natural lineage, corrupted lineage, and he embraced the Messiah’s lineage and jumped over the line. Within about three weeks, he was offered $5 million for one of his businesses. He never had that happen before.

SID: Okay. How about illness? Tell me about the woman with rheumatoid arthritis.

DR. MYLES: Yeah. There was a woman who had rheumatoid arthritis. And we asked her on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad it is, she said, “Twenty, plus there are days I ask Jesus to cut off my legs, it’s that bad.” She could hardly walk and getting in a [unintelligible] was hassle for church and getting out was another hassle. Well when she jumped the line, she could hardly jump actually, the pain was very difficult, but she did her best. When she jumped, within less than 15 seconds she began to run up and down the church. It was the most amazing thing.

SID: If God can heal someone of that type of lineage, He can change the DNA of any problem that you have, not just sickness, finances, family, all of these. When you come back, I want to find out some more about what God is showing you prophetically about what’s shortly going to happen to President Obama.

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sidroth on November 6th, 2013

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SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural.

You know when doctors give you bad reports and they say that your mother or your father died of cancer or heart trouble, it’s your DNA. Well my guest has been shown how to supernaturally change your DNA. He calls it genetic salvation in which God has literally shown him, and thousands of people have done this now. You go all the way, not just four generations, you go all the way where the flaw started, Adam and Eve, you break those curses and you’re walking in new DNA. Now my guest is African. He was born in Zambia. Dr. Myles, you Africans provoke me to jealousy no end. You understand the invisible world. Why does it appear as though the Africans that sell out to the Kingdom of God understand the supernatural better than us here in America?

DR. MYLES: Well that’s because in Africa you grow up in the [unintelligible] where it’s already charged for the supernatural. The only problem is charged the other way where it’s more the demonic supernatural, but you are raised to see witch doctors literally perform what would be signs and wonders if you did not know Jesus, astounding things. And you grow up around it so you are aware that we are not alone in this world. There is another world out there.

SID: But it’s hard to believe. At age 18, his body has painful boils, he drops to under a hundred pounds. And as he just said, he went to the doctors. They couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Then he went to the witch doctors. They couldn’t figure out what was wrong. He was in critical shape. But in the meantime, the nastiest student at his school had an encounter with the Lord. And so he saw such a transformation. He talked to him and this friend of his said, “Well if you come out to my church you’ll be healed.” So he’s not too interested in God and Jesus. He just wants to be healed. So he goes to the church, but he got something that he didn’t bargain for. He had a genuine encounter with the Living God. But he wasn’t healed. However, a month later a mysterious light comes into him. Tell me about that.

DR. MYLES: I was living with an alcoholic uncle. And I went to sleep on a bed that was on the floor. And all of a sudden the room I was in was filled with the most brilliant white light I’ve ever seen in my life. It was the manifestation of the Glory of God. And that white light filled into me from my head down to the sole of my feet, and the literally in seconds, unzipped my body like opening up a luggage. And my spirit stood up and I could see my lifeless body on the floor, on the bed. I could see everything. I was aware of everything around me, and my spirit looked like my body, you know. So then suddenly, the Glory of God lifted me up and I found myself on top of the roof of the house we were living in. I could see the neighborhood. And then all of a sudden, in front of me on top of the house, I see this demonic prince. I saw this demonic principality filled with what I could only call as rivers of hate. I had never seen so much hate out of anybody. Demons really hate people. And I looked at this demon and all of a sudden it came after me. But there was no fear in me, though.

SID: You’re a baby believer. How come you had no fear?

DR. MYLES: That was the most interesting thing, because you know, the way I was raised, I should be very afraid. Because we were raised to be afraid of the demonic world and what they can do to you. Witches are legend in Africa. So I should be afraid. But instead, there was zero fear in my spirit. As I looked, and by the way, when I looked at the demon, my spirit could scan the history of this spirit. I knew exactly the dimension of the spirit, what it could do. It was amazing, just like in seconds. And then when it reached out for me we began to fight, and it was a 50-50 percent fight, see. And all of a sudden, something changed. Right above us, the sky, the heavens opened up like around, it opened up. And as it opened up, the same shining glorious light that entered my bedroom covered the neighborhood where we were. I could see something very tiny in my neighbor’s yard. The whole neighborhood was covered with light. And I thought everybody is going to rise up and come out and watch what’s going on. They must be seeing this. And nobody came out. And then all of a sudden, so me and this demonic principality are now looking towards the heavens and we see a majestic golden hand of a man with a huge nail imprint in his hands, and it rested over us. And all of a sudden, a door opened out of his hand, a door.

SID: A door opens out of his hand.

DR. MYLES: A door opens and a blue scroll comes out. And he speaks as the scroll comes out, and he speaks to me and he says, “Son, use my word.” And the scroll comes and I touch it, and it goes into me. I’m a baby Christian and so the only scripture I know is John 3:16.

SID: “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son.” He knows this. Okay.

DR. MYLES: Yes. And so that’s the only thing I remember because coming from a Catholic background, that’s the only Bible I had, was John 3:16. And so I said it. I said, “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that we shall not perish.” When I said it, there was a lightening from one end of the heavens to the next. Then the lightening was followed by what I can call billions of thunders. It was the largest sound I’ve ever heard in my life. The authority of the Word shocked me. It was amazing me. Everything shook. And I thought the houses were going to collapse in the rubble. And the next thing that I saw was this demonic principality was lying flat, head first by my feet. After the Glory of God left and I got back into my body, I was instantly healed from three years of all the boils. Everything in my body, all the pain disappeared completely.

SID: I like that. Would you like that? You see, he saw this invisible world and he had such revelation on what he called genetic salvation. I want you to teach them that when we come back.

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sidroth on November 1st, 2013

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SID: The Spirit of God came into this studio just now. And I asked Norvel to worship God, and he said, “Sid, God is in this studio. God has something to say people. God wants to change your life.”

NORVEL: The two main things I learned. I learned to feed the poor. I learned to worship Him, which the church I went to, they didn’t worship God. They just simply sung songs and loved the Lord. They sung songs, but we had no worshiping classes. Nobody would worship. Nobody lifted their hands to worship the Lord. And God says, [unintelligible]. God says, “If you return to me, bow down before me, lift up your hands and worship me,” God says, “I will heal your land. You can have anything you want. You’re supposed to be living all the time, you and all the other Christians, in the abundant life. Jesus paid the price, my son paid the price that you live an abundant life.”

SID: Norvel, I want you to worship God the way you normally worship Him at home. Would you do that right now.

NORVEL: [crying] Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Father. I worship you, Lord. I praise you. I worship you, Jesus. Oh God, there is no other. Thank you, Jesus. I hold your name above all names on the earth, Jesus. I hold your name above all names on Earth. Thank you Jesus for loving us. Oh God, thank you for loving us, Jesus. He was so good to us. So good to us. I worship you, Lord and praise you. Thank you Lord for loving us in Heaven. Thank you for saving me. Thank you Lord for my being in your presence. Someday I want to be in your presence all the time. Oh God, in Jesus’ name. Worship me, son, worship. You worship me and I’ll show you how God, blessed be His holy name. Lord, I worship you forever and I promise you, Lord, I will never serve any other God. I’ll never worship any other God because I believe and I know that you are the true and living God, and there is no other. He suffered so long on the cross for me.

SID: Norvel, I’m seeing something right now. Norvel, I want you to pray for people with cancer and heart trouble. Would you do that?

NORVEL: Thank you Jesus. Lord, you know the gift that you put in my ministry for people that had bad hearts, everybody that’s looking on the screen, Lord, stretch your hands out to the screen. And pray this prayer, Lord, thank you, Lord. I remember the first time in [unintelligible] that you did this and you said, “I want to pump a new heart in the chest right now in different parts of the world. As they stretch their hand out to the TV screen, if they’re watching you, I ask you Heavenly Father in Jesus’ name to pump a new heart into the chest of everyone who has bad hearts. Thousands of them, pump a new heart in their chest that have a bad heart. Now Lord, those, there are hundreds and hundreds, and hundreds of people that have cancer and don’t know what to do. They think they have to die. Those that don’t know any better, they don’t have to die young. But Lord, you know better and I know better. I curse it. I know what you taught me in Heaven. You talked to me. I curse the roots of every cancer in Jesus’ name. The person that has cancer looking in on this TV program, I curse the roots of that cancer and I command the roots of it to die. Die, I said, in Jesus’ name. Just like the fig tree did when Jesus cursed it, die, roots. I command every cancer cell to die and disappear from that body. Thank you, Lord, for your Divine healing power flowing through the body from the top of the head to the soles of their feet, in Jesus’ name. Thank you, Lord.

SID: Now Norvel, you said that you have no down days. And if depression tries to hit you, what do you do?

NORVEL: Oh, I throw my hands up like this and say, thank you, Jesus, take a hold of me, Lord. The joy of the Lord is my strength. Oh, how I love Jesus because he first loved me.

SID: Do you force yourself to dance, too?

NORVEL: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I get up and dance a little bit and I sit back down and I’ll sing some more, sing some more until all depression leaves. Because the devil, the devil is not dead. He’ll try and put all kinds of things on you. But you’ll have to accept nothing he puts. You or me, nobody else has the power, the love that Jesus does. We don’t have to accept evil things that destroy us from the devil. We don’t have to accept that.

SID: I have an invitation for you, and that is don’t you ever forget that God says, you have to help people that are less fortunate than you. God says, worship me. Worship Him, not just for a few minutes on Sunday morning, but make it a lifestyle, because anything God has done for Norvel, He’ll do for you.

NORVEL: That’s right.

SID: He’ll even do it better, Norvel. I believe that. Don’t you.

NORVEL: Yeah. And Sid, there’s a third part to that while we’re on that subject.

SID: What’s that?

NORVEL: Make sure you pray for people because God says, if you pray for people you’ll be healed yourself. That’s in the scripture. Pray for people so you’ll be healed yourself. God likes for you to pray for people. Pray for people. Lord, I pray for people all over the world to be shown that your holy presence, Lord, that your healing power, Lord is [unintelligible] to cause all afflictions to disappear, bones straighten out, everything, blind eyes, [unintelligible] mind, total mind, [unintelligible] Jesus, you give it to them. I ask you to give it to them, Father, in Jesus’ name. Thank you, Lord, for doing it for them, because they need you, Lord. They’re just like me. You know I need you every day. Every day. I’d like for you to bless me every day. Thank you, Lord, for doing it for those that need help, look in the screen right now in Jesus’ name. I thank you for it, Lord. I praise you for it all the days I shall live. I praise you for it. Thank you, Lord, for letting me live. I’m 86 years old. I’ve told you I’d like to come home now, but I don’t have to come home now because you remember, Jesus, I tell you all the time, I haven’t forgotten what you did for me on the cross. Why would I want to go home now? If I can get a few more people to you, Lord, if I can get a few more people healed.

SID: Let me tell you a reason you don’t want to go home right now, Norvel. I can tell you a good reason. We’re about ready to see the greatest move of God’s spirit on Planet Earth and I want to see Norvel involved. I want to see him mentoring you and discipling you, and I want to see you involved. It’s time to get out of the chair in the entertainment sport called church and go out in the highways and byways, and compel them to come in. I compel you in Jesus’ name to make Jesus your Lord.

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sidroth on October 30th, 2013

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SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Norvel Hayes. And I’m on the edge of my seat because he’s been to Heaven and I want him to tell me what he saw. But before that, Norvel, I’m reminded of May Stafford. You said, “God, I want to see some miracles like I read in the Bible.” And according to my notes, May had six deadly diseases.

NORVEL: That’s right.

SID: Tell me what was wrong with her and what happened.

NORVEL: She was blind. Her mind was gone. She had been in an old people’s home for 11 years with palsy.

SID: She was in a wheelchair.

NORVEL: Yes. She would go to church in a wheelchair. She would sit in a wheelchair. She couldn’t walk. The Lord said to me, “Pray for that lady. Go lay your hands on that lady. Lay your hands on that lady.”

SID: So you laid hands on May Stafford and what happens?

NORVEL: My hands touched her like this and it was so strong. And when I touched her like this and all of a sudden, I never saw this before. All of a sudden, like that, and I looked down and she’s not in the wheelchair. The wheelchair is empty. And about a thousand people screamed out all at once [scream]. I looked around and this woman came walking, blind and everything. She’s on the other side of the church. I turned to her on the other side of the church. She’s running around in a circle screaming, “Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!” And all of a sudden, there she was, 20/20 vision. All of a sudden, her mind came back to her.

SID: Her mind was totally gone.

NORVEL: Totally gone. She took to her wheelchair. She needed help getting this wheelchair and she pushed it around. I mean, the healing just about took the church over. [unintelligible]

SID: Well, I mean, you provoke me to jealousy. You tell me about all the people that get new hearts and all the people that get healed of cancer when you pray. And God has blessed your health. God has blessed you, everything about you, your finances, your family. Tell me what you saw in Heaven. What did it look like? What did you experience?

NORVEL: This world came from Heaven. You understand that? They have lakes. They have grass. They have flowers. They have fruit trees. The difference here, you go over to a peach tree, you pull a peach off. That’s it, you know, and you pull it and it falls on the ground. Where in Heaven, you go over to a peach tree or apple tree, you pull a rotten peach off and the moment you pull it off, another ripe peach comes on the tree all ready to eat. The thing that impressed me more than everything in the world in Heaven was my breathing. In Heaven, every time you breathe, you feel the presence of God. Every breath I’d take I breathe in the presence of God. Oh, it feels so good going all the way down to body to my feet. It feels so good. The next breath feels better.

SID: Heaven sounds perfect.

NORVEL: And the main thing I saw was a big building. And He let me walk through the building and in all the different rooms. And all the different rooms had little furniture, small furniture. And I couldn’t figure, what is this? Is this a dollhouse or what?

SID: Okay. Then many years later after that experience in Heaven, you’re in a car and all of a sudden the drive disappears and you have a vision about your life work.

NORVEL:  That’s right.

SID: Tell me the vision.

NORVEL: I was riding a car, you know. All of a sudden, God came in real strong and everything disappeared. I couldn’t see the driver. I couldn’t see the palm trees [unintelligible] in West Florida. I couldn’t see nothing. And then it’s just like, whoosh. And I was taken up to a higher level. And I looked down like this and the only thing I could see, I could see the palm trees, I could see little bitty, teeny kids that needed help. That’s all I could see. A whole circle around like this, you know, and I’m in the middle of them. And I looked around me and they’re all looking at me. All of them are looking at me like this right here. Help me. Help me. Help me, please help me. I don’t want to die. I don’t want to die. Help me! Help me! Help me! And so God said to me, “I haven’t forgotten about the little children and what you saw in Heaven, would they live. I haven’t forgotten about them.” He said, “And I want you to get me a building. Help me, son,” God said to me, “help me, son. Help me save the little children.”

SID: What did it do to your children when you saw those little children going like this, help, help, help! I could just picture these aborted babies going, help, help, help! What did it to you?

NORVEL: It made me want to take every one of them into my arms and find them a place to live and give them food. That was probably some 35 years ago. Now the older I got, I’m 86 now, and I’ve never lost the vision, seeing, trying to do what God wants you to do. The older you get, the [unintelligible] it gets.

SID: The two things that Norvel learned in Heaven, one, help people that are in need. You see, God is love and He’s concerned about the homeless. He’s concerned about the aborted babies. He’s concerned about the hungry. And the second thing is worship God, not just for a few minutes on a Sunday morning, but as a lifestyle. And I’m going to ask Norvel to worship God the way he does in his home. But most people, they don’t do this in their home. They just do it for a few minutes on a Sunday morning. And I tell you, the favor that Norvel operates under, you are going to operate under because this is a change in your destiny. Don’t go away.

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