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SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Dr. Norvel Hayes. And I’m on the edge of my seat because he’s been to Heaven and I want him to tell me what he saw. But before that, Norvel, I’m reminded of May Stafford. You said, “God, I want to see some miracles like I read in the Bible.” And according to my notes, May had six deadly diseases.

NORVEL: That’s right.

SID: Tell me what was wrong with her and what happened.

NORVEL: She was blind. Her mind was gone. She had been in an old people’s home for 11 years with palsy.

SID: She was in a wheelchair.

NORVEL: Yes. She would go to church in a wheelchair. She would sit in a wheelchair. She couldn’t walk. The Lord said to me, “Pray for that lady. Go lay your hands on that lady. Lay your hands on that lady.”

SID: So you laid hands on May Stafford and what happens?

NORVEL: My hands touched her like this and it was so strong. And when I touched her like this and all of a sudden, I never saw this before. All of a sudden, like that, and I looked down and she’s not in the wheelchair. The wheelchair is empty. And about a thousand people screamed out all at once [scream]. I looked around and this woman came walking, blind and everything. She’s on the other side of the church. I turned to her on the other side of the church. She’s running around in a circle screaming, “Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus! Jesus!” And all of a sudden, there she was, 20/20 vision. All of a sudden, her mind came back to her.

SID: Her mind was totally gone.

NORVEL: Totally gone. She took to her wheelchair. She needed help getting this wheelchair and she pushed it around. I mean, the healing just about took the church over. [unintelligible]

SID: Well, I mean, you provoke me to jealousy. You tell me about all the people that get new hearts and all the people that get healed of cancer when you pray. And God has blessed your health. God has blessed you, everything about you, your finances, your family. Tell me what you saw in Heaven. What did it look like? What did you experience?

NORVEL: This world came from Heaven. You understand that? They have lakes. They have grass. They have flowers. They have fruit trees. The difference here, you go over to a peach tree, you pull a peach off. That’s it, you know, and you pull it and it falls on the ground. Where in Heaven, you go over to a peach tree or apple tree, you pull a rotten peach off and the moment you pull it off, another ripe peach comes on the tree all ready to eat. The thing that impressed me more than everything in the world in Heaven was my breathing. In Heaven, every time you breathe, you feel the presence of God. Every breath I’d take I breathe in the presence of God. Oh, it feels so good going all the way down to body to my feet. It feels so good. The next breath feels better.

SID: Heaven sounds perfect.

NORVEL: And the main thing I saw was a big building. And He let me walk through the building and in all the different rooms. And all the different rooms had little furniture, small furniture. And I couldn’t figure, what is this? Is this a dollhouse or what?

SID: Okay. Then many years later after that experience in Heaven, you’re in a car and all of a sudden the drive disappears and you have a vision about your life work.

NORVEL:  That’s right.

SID: Tell me the vision.

NORVEL: I was riding a car, you know. All of a sudden, God came in real strong and everything disappeared. I couldn’t see the driver. I couldn’t see the palm trees [unintelligible] in West Florida. I couldn’t see nothing. And then it’s just like, whoosh. And I was taken up to a higher level. And I looked down like this and the only thing I could see, I could see the palm trees, I could see little bitty, teeny kids that needed help. That’s all I could see. A whole circle around like this, you know, and I’m in the middle of them. And I looked around me and they’re all looking at me. All of them are looking at me like this right here. Help me. Help me. Help me, please help me. I don’t want to die. I don’t want to die. Help me! Help me! Help me! And so God said to me, “I haven’t forgotten about the little children and what you saw in Heaven, would they live. I haven’t forgotten about them.” He said, “And I want you to get me a building. Help me, son,” God said to me, “help me, son. Help me save the little children.”

SID: What did it do to your children when you saw those little children going like this, help, help, help! I could just picture these aborted babies going, help, help, help! What did it to you?

NORVEL: It made me want to take every one of them into my arms and find them a place to live and give them food. That was probably some 35 years ago. Now the older I got, I’m 86 now, and I’ve never lost the vision, seeing, trying to do what God wants you to do. The older you get, the [unintelligible] it gets.

SID: The two things that Norvel learned in Heaven, one, help people that are in need. You see, God is love and He’s concerned about the homeless. He’s concerned about the aborted babies. He’s concerned about the hungry. And the second thing is worship God, not just for a few minutes on a Sunday morning, but as a lifestyle. And I’m going to ask Norvel to worship God the way he does in his home. But most people, they don’t do this in their home. They just do it for a few minutes on a Sunday morning. And I tell you, the favor that Norvel operates under, you are going to operate under because this is a change in your destiny. Don’t go away.

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