Sid:  My guest Joan Hunter is so excited about demonstrating the Kingdom of God, why is she so excited to see all of these miracles and equipping Christians to walk in the same miracles anointing that she walks in?  Because when you can demonstrate the Kingdom of God then you earn the right to proclaim who the King is.  Whether someone’s a Moslem, whether someone is Jewish, whether someone is a Buddhist, whether someone is just a nominal Christian that has never been born from above that does not know that the Bible says, “This is eternal life, that you might know Him.”  They think the Bible says this is eternal life, that you might join a church.  Joan Hunter I feel sorry for people that think eternal life is joining a church, not only for what’s going to happen when they die, but even when they live.

Joan:  That is true and people, God wants us free of everything that the enemy has done to us to destroy our hearts, destroy our minds and destroy our bodies.

Sid:  You know one of the things I find fascinating is we know that trauma stays in the memory of the cells even if it doesn’t stay in the memory of the mind.  And after a period of time it can cause disease.  But what really blew me out of the water is when people have transplants like a heart transplant they have the memory of the person that formally had that heart.  Give me an example of that.

Joan:  Well, one lady, some of them are just absolutely amazing the stories, but one lady she got the heart transplant and then the first night she had a nightmare about a license plate, say Texas 123456 well the next night she had another nightmare Texas 123456 she’s like what is going on here?  And she couldn’t figure out exactly what it was.  Well after several nights they actually called in the police and it was like “Can you figure out what this means?”  And so they went and found the car, the owner of the car and got a search warrant on the car, they searched the inside and out trunk and everything.  In the trunk of the car they found some blood and some DNA of this man’s niece who he had tried to kill which put her in the trunk of the car and then just disposed of her body.  Her body was found, she later died at the hospital and it was her heart that was transplanted into this recipient.  And that man is actually still in prison today.

Sid:  What that proves is there is a memory in every cell of our body.  So when someone has a, give me an example of a person that not from a transplant to me that just scientifically proves it, but give me an example of someone that had a trauma and you prayed for them and what happened.

Joan:  This is a recent one and I mean I’m going to work on not crying on not crying telling you this story because it’s so incredible and I have hundreds and hundreds of them.  But this man came up to me and he said, “Forty-two years ago I was in a helicopter in Vietnam, it got blown up, I was thrown to the ground.”  And he had a big scar on the side of his neck where it’s a miracles he lived where they had to do surgery and cut out some of the different things in his neck, rewire his neck because his neck was broken, jaw was broken and everything.  And he has been in excruciating pain for forty-two years.  Now, I laid hands on him, I cursed the spirit of trauma, commanded it to be gone, health and all the cellular memory to be completely gone and I commanded health and wholeness to that area. Then I started, I had my hand on his heart to start with, and I said, “I curse the spirit of trauma and I command all the nightmares that he has had of night after night, after night, after night of that helicopter exploding with him in it.  And throwing him basically from it night, after night, after night and the pain left instantly, the spirit of trauma left in a very demonstrative way and he started crying, and crying and crying and he says the pain is gone.  He says, “I feel so light, I feel so different I am a new man, I am so free of all of this stuff that happened in Viet Nam.  And then I prayed of course to erase the pain of his past so that he would remember that he went to Viet Nam and that he would know that he had a helicopter accident, but actually everything about that and the experience of that plane and that helicopter going down is gone and out of his memory now.

Sid:  You know Joan, the thing that I love about your complete training manual is you take each disease, you even show pictures of where to lay hands, you have the prayers, the specific prayers to pray.  There’s seems to be in America an epidemic of diabetes; how do you pray for someone with diabetes?

Joan:  The doctors told me that I would probably end up with diabetes myself and because my Mom had diabetes, she was healed of diabetes.  I interne would go; they said, “Well, you know your Mom had it so you are going to get it.”  Well, first of all I would deal with the generational curses of diabetes, which address in the manual how to break that, “Then I said, I cut those words off in Jesus name, I am not going to get diabetes.”  And my blood sugar was showing that I could potentially move into that and I am like I am not moving over there, I actually serve, I served diabetes an eviction notice, it cannot come into my body in Jesus name.  And I address any spirit of trauma and then in addition to that I dealt with, I said “I curse any spirit of diabetes, any diabetes I command it to be gone like Jesus cursed the fig tree and He commanded it to die from the very root.  And so I said, “In the name of Jesus I speak a new pancreas that works fine and that my sugar levels will return to normal and stay normal in Jesus name.”  And about six months later which was literally just a few weeks ago I went back in and it is absolutely perfect and I went hallelujah!

Sid:  Now, when you say that I hear Francis Hunter saying, hallelujah.  Has anyone ever told you that?

Joan:  Mom’s in here, this is funny.

Sid:  Tell me about the woman that instantly went from a size 18 to a size 12.

Joan:  Well, she had a tumor in her abdominal; actually she had seventeen tumors in her abdominal area and her female organs.  And I prayed and I said, “I curse those tumors in Jesus name I command it to be gone.  I speak a whole new colon and new female organs in Jesus name and before the service she was in the back of the room comparing her belly with another lady who was eight months pregnant.  And it was a tossup whose was bigger and it really was a tossup whose was bigger.  But at the end of the service it was obvious the pregnant lady won because she went down from a size 18 to a 14 instantly and then by the next day and by the next week she was actually in a size 12 and I recently saw her and she’s still in a size 12.

Sid:  How did you pray for her exactly?

Joan:  I just cursed the name of the tumors, commanded them to be gone, spoke new intestines, new female organs, and she got it all.

Sid:  It’s too simple Joan; it can’t be that simple.

Joan:  I know, I know, but that’s the way it’s supposed to be!  This is the way Jesus did it; you know He spoke to the fig tree curse, boom, curse, okay, how hard is that?  He didn’t do the flowery prayers you know and you know like you go into the grocery store and you pray for somebody; there’s no praise and worship going on.  A woman might not have her makeup on, you know she may not feel the anointing like, oh my hands aren’t hot, they’re not tingly, they’re not this.  Somebody walks by and their sick, you can see them limping, you know and I always go (flip) the hands up, healing hands here we go, you know.  And then you say “God sent me here to pray for you about?”  And you think God’s sending me to the grocery store?  Well, my steps are ordered of the Lord whether I’m at the grocery store or in the service ministering and the healing power of God, when you know that you walk in the authority and the authority information is covered in this manual.  When you know that you walk in the authority you will walk in that authority no matter if you got makeup on, if you’re on the telephone, if you’re walking by somebody in the grocery store or drug store.  I love going into drug stores and praying for people you know or in the airports or wherever we are we can walk in that anointing.  You don’t have to generate the anointing, you don’t have to wait for the anointing to come on you; you just need to know and have the knowledge that you walk in that anointing.

Sid:  Have people said to you after they’ve read your book that you have a gift of increasing their faith level?  Has anyone ever told you that?

Joan:  In exhortation in the area of faith, yes.  It’s like they leave the healing schools and they go “You know what? I think I can do this,”  I’m like, “I know you can, all you got to do is lay hands on the sick and do some of these things and pray.”  And these are just like guidelines, they’re not like verbatim, you go out to the grocery store and say “Oh I forgot my manual!”  You don’t have to worry about that because God will give you the words, but just get the general idea.

Sid:  But when you take, I have to ask you this, when you take each disease and you point out the root causes of the disease, you point out exactly the areas that you should pray in for this disease, if someone doesn’t follow that and just says “In Jesus name be healed” I don’t believe their going to get as many healed as if they understand the root causes of the diseases.

Joan:  Absolutely, absolutely you know I know that I have the power and I can say in Jesus name and a few people have been healed.  But I realized that when I appropriate the power of God, speak directly to the tendonitis in somebody’s elbow that’s listening right now, command that to be gone, all the inflammation and pain to go in Jesus name; it is going, it’s gone now in Jesus name!

Sid:  It would be so wonderful for Joan Hunter to personally mentor you just as her parents mentored her.  Some of her revelation on trauma and erasing the pain…

Sid: And I’ll tell you what, after listening to this week’s broadcast you are going to be so red hot for the Messiah.  My guest, Gary Kah and he’s exposing things that are going on that the secular media has purposely hidden from us and he knows names, countries, key players that all fit in to the end time scenario from the Bible.  Gary but many Christians and many non-Christians are in favor of a one world government.  One world religion, what is so wrong with that with the world seemingly crumbling before our very eyes?

Gary: Yeah, it’s going to look good but it’s going to big deception, it is probably going to come about in the name of world peace and world unity and that’s what’s so attractive about it.  But in Revelation Chapters 13 & 14 especially there is talk about a global system that would exist in the last days.  And this global system would have to be in place in order for the anti-Christ to rule over the world.  And when you see…

Sid: And initially it’s going to look very very good.

Gary: Yes.

Sid: Because people aren’t going to show their true colors but I guess initially Adolf Hitler looked pretty good when the economy was coming apart in Germany.

Gary: Well, that’s just it, yeah people went for it and he did a lot of good things early on to sure up the economy, but we all know now how it ended you know.  And there are people involved at the forefront of this one world movement trying to bring about this global government that are, I know for a fact very much involved in the occult in Eastern Mysticism.  Many of them are strongly opposed to Christians and Conservative Jews and have made some strong statements against them and so the handwriting is on the wall here.  And also in Matthew Chapter 24, Jesus said, He warned that we would not be deceived that the last generation that there would be an incredible amount of deception.  That there would be many false christs and false prophets that would go out even in His name, he said but do not believe them.  And He said that it would be so deceptive that even the elect could be deceived if that were possible.  And so we have to be on our toes and believe me when I first stumbled on to these things and began to research them there were moments where I couldn’t believe that this was happening.  But when you see the evidence and if you do research with an open mind and see where these people are coming from and what they intend to do and where they’re going it runs very strongly contrary to scripture.  And I see it as a very dangerous movement and of course scripture prophesized that this would take place.  We were prophesied in order to be warned against it not to be part of it and to promote it.

Sid: Now you see very harmful thing happening that most people, Christians and non-Christians alike see as wonderful and that’s an ecumenical movement of Christians and Muslims and Catholics and even Jews uniting together.  What’s so wrong with that as long as you can keep your own individual belief?

Gary: Well, in order to bring about a global government there has to be a coming together a type of unification of the world’s religions and that has been well understood in the political One World Circles.  And this has been their biggest challenge over the years and especially when it comes to the Christianity and Islam and Islam and Judaism.  How can you bring those religions together?  And so there have been a number of initiatives an increasing number of initiatives especially over the last few years promoting inter-faithism.  And in October of 2010, last year the UN passed a resolution establishing an interfaith harmony week which is to be celebrated during the first full week of February each year.  This is going to be an annual event, and so this past year they had interfaith Harmony Breakfast for example held all across the world.  And the main push behind this is really to bring Christians and Muslims together.  But the problem is it’s always Christians doing the compromising on this and so it’s really clearing a path for Christians to cozy up to Islam.

Sid: But wait a second Gary, most Christians I know they would love to be part of a conversation with Muslims for the sake of evangelizing them.

Gary: I totally support that and agree with that in fact we have a back yard neighbor named Mohamed so we have Muslims right in our neighborhood and we reach out to them and we are friendly toward them and do whatever we can to set a strong example for the sake of the truth and Jesus.  But was is happening here through these organized activities is that there is no evangelism going on, it is really just a cozying up  with Islam and that is the danger that I see in it.  In fact this whole UN initiative was kicked started by Jordan’s King Abdullah and Prince Gozie and it was found upon some of the UN previous interfaith activities and especially the common word program as it’s called which the Muslim’s call it.  It originated as a Muslim call to bridge building with the Christian community.  But when they say bridge building again there is more to it than that, it is really to try to infiltrate and penetrate the Christians community and bring it in to Islamic circles.  Christian leaders in the response to that document called for greater connections with Islam and equated the God of the Old and New Testament with the Koran.  And again certain Christian leaders are moving in the direction of Islam or at least coming much closer to it.  And they ended up signing a document in that regard called loving God and neighbor together.

Sid: Now that sounds good.

Gary: Sounds good, doesn’t it.

Sid: Yes.

Gary: It does, but again when you follow these meetings and the statements that have been made at the meetings or the lack of statements never is anything mentioned about Yeshua or Messiah in terms in being the way and the only way. But rather this openness, this unspoken interfaithism that other religions or pathways to God and so we have to make a decision there.  Are other religions pathways to God?   Does it not matter that if you believe in Buddhism, or Islam or whatever or is the God of the Bible completely unique from these other gods?  And I can contend that He is and we have to make a stand on that, and we have to do so in a loving compassionate way to be sure, but none the less we have to stand for the truth and especially in light of what Jesus said would take place in the last days and how deceptive things would be.  So I am very concerned about this.

Sid: Now there is that I don’t understand, I understand what you’ve just said, there is something that I don’t understand because in this document that was signed by 300 Christian leaders and when I say leaders, these are household words, I mean it includes the National Association of Evangelicals.  That so for sure when they’re top leaders and they make a statement I’m quoting this is what I don’t understand.  “Mohammed preached a god of love.”  Gary: Yeah.

Sid: I don’t get that, any one that knows history, anyone that’s read the Koran knows that’s not true.

Gary: And these are the kind of statements that are being made at these meetings as well.  It opens up the gateway to Islam, to be accepted.  And again we should love the Islamic people and reach out to them, but to change our beliefs so that it facilitates and works together with Islam, that’s a trap of the enemy.  That is setting the stage for a coming together of the world’s religions and ultimately a World Government that will be ruled over by the anti-Christ.   This is the single biggest deception in the whole thing is what is taking place on the religious front.  Sid there is a coming together of the political side of this movement and the religious side and in fact you’re no stranger to the word, to the name Counsel of Foreign Relations.  This is an organization that since 1921 has been promoting globalization and ultimately World Government, although there are people in the organization that would not necessarily agree with everything and I want to throw that in.  But overall the direction of the CFR has been toward empowerment of the UN moving us in the direction of global government.  And they are now in a sense taking a final step into the religious realm by co-opting their goals and activities through religious groups to further their own purposes.  And unfortunately it seems like many pockets of the church are increasing open to this and I’m speaking here specifically about the global faith form that was held in Dallas Texas back and again, a number of Christian organizations that were sponsors of this meeting right along with counsel on foreign relations.  And to the best of my knowledge this has never happened before.  This is something new at this level…

Sid: So it’s a marriage between the One World Government and the One World Religion, is that what you’re saying?

Gary: Exactly.  It’s definitely opening up the door to that to make that easier down the road.  It’s I say at the point where we are right now it would still take a few years to bring this all together but its moving quite rapidly.  And I think that we’re just maybe one major world crisis away from all of this jelling and coming together.  And so the stage is clearly being set.

Sid: Now Gary, in your DVD’s you mention specific names, evangelicals that are involved that I have to tell you are household words.  You mention you get very specific in that, I’m curious, has this gotten you in trouble?

Gary: Well, to a large extent we have been flying beneath the radar so to speak.

Sid: Well, you’re not going to be any more, once we get these DVD’s out.

Gary: Yeah, I have done a number of talk shows on this and back in the ‘90s I was even asked to run as Lieutenant Governor or Indiana by one of the candidates who is planning and so I’ve had visibility and I have spoken on this.  But when it comes to the mass media they have stirred clear of.  And so the average American is not aware of this but a growing number of people in Christian and Jewish circles are becoming aware of it now.  And you know and they need to be aware of it, but I had to decide what to do and whether I’m willing to suffer any consequences that come with it.  But I believe the hour is so late that we have to be willing to speak the truth in love and do so without apologizing for it.  And anyone who knows me closely knows that I am not a hateful person, that I love the Islamic people, that I love the Hindu people…

Sid: Gary, we’re out of time right now.

Dennis: Well, I was so overwhelmed with the lie of the enemy that there came that point and I shared with your listeners in the earlier interviews that after my mentor made that advance on me…

Sid: And for those that are listening for the first time, Dennis was a Christian, he had played the piano in church, he was a worship leader, but he was homosexual and he was living in such a conflict that he even despaired of life so go ahead.

Dennis: Well, what I was going to say was, there came a point after that night when I tried to take my life that even in the middle of, I turned on my gas stove and didn’t light the flame and I just couldn’t take it anymore it was just the pressure was too much.  And I heard this little voice say to me, “Are you prepared for what awaits you in eternity?  And that scared me so badly I get up after a few minutes, turn off the gas and I make this declaration to my own self this is just the way that I was born, I am going to stop fighting it.  So I lived the next year believing that this was all I had to look forward to in my life.  But what really happened at that “Second of Acts” concert was that the Lord met me with the reality of who He says I am.   I had been seeing life from the wrong perspective, so when we get to that place where we understand, “You know what, I’m who my Father says I am, I am not defined by my past, I’m not defined by what tempts me, I’m not defined by any present circumstances there’s only one who gets to define me and that’s my Creator and so I had better be going to Him.”  So that’s what happened to me, I just decided “You know what, I’m not even going to believe my own feelings anymore; in fact you know what You feel Father; in fact when I go to lead worship, that’s how I lead worship.  “Lord would you give me a sense of the need for this group and then besides that would you just let me feel what you feel toward them so I can tap into what you feel towards them.”  And my goodness, I can’t go wrong even in my leading of worship because it all begins and ends with Jesus, it just does.

Sid: Now in your wildest imagination could you believe when you were in the midst of sin, in the midst of such turmoil you couldn’t even think straight that you would be married with nine children?  As a matter of fact, you had a vision of that, you must have thought that must have been a pizza vision.

Dennis: Well, after the Lord, in November 7th 1981 I can just remember I can never forget that day, but when the Lord began to flood me with His love, he also began to flood me with an understanding of who He says I am and if He says I am this, or I am that then I am going to choose to believe that.  And in the process of that, He said, “What do you want out of life, Son?  Well, here’s what I have for you, I want you to be the children of many children.”  I said, “Well, Lord, I do I want many children.”  And the number that came into my heart was the number nine and the funny story of that to show you the power of the Holy Spirit after Melinda and I became pregnant with what we thought was number eight Melinda just felt like this is all the grace I have left, I have grace for eight.

Sid: I don’t know how she had grace for eight, but go ahead.  Ha-ha.

Dennis: I said, okay Lord, I thought I heard you but I missed you before and I could have missed you, and He said “No, I told you nine, there are two in there.”  And so I told Melinda, “You are going to have twins.”  And then my daughter Hannah, who was six at that time had a dream from the Lord, and in this dream, the Lord showed her that she was going to have twin brothers.  So she told her Momma, you are going to have twins so Melinda wouldn’t believe it but low and behold, when it came time to have that first ultrasound, Melinda called me and said, “Are you sitting down?”  She said, “It’s twins, and so the Lord really did give us that particular number and then it came to past.

Sid: Now give me a description of the atmosphere in your praise gatherings, what are you after, what are you looking for?

Dennis: My number one goal is to, all I have to do as a worship leader, this is the truth, is to remind people that God is there and that they need to deal with that reality.  And then we begin wherever I feel like the Holy Spirit says to begin.  I don’t necessarily begin with celebration but a lot of times I do, but I want people to understand that this is what’s going on in Heaven, let’s take part in that.  And even and because I have so many people who come who don’t have a charismatic background or don’t understand outward demonstrations of worship I’ll often begin with this, you know what there are people here in this group tonight who this is going to be outrageous to them.  You are going to see people doing things that you reserve for football games even, but here’s the deal, he who has been forgiven much, loves much.  So I want you to extend grace to those that are very demonstrative and now you people that are very demonstrative you need to extend grace to those that this is brand new to and don’t try to force them into your mold because God is totally giving them the peace of mind to just soak in His presence.  Both are acceptable, both are good, so when I set the people at ease in that way, you’d be surprised how free people get.  And in the midst of that, all I’m doing is okay Lord, where do we go next, okay Lord, who do you want me to sing over next?  In fact there was one time, it was probably ten years ago we were having a New Years Eve night of praise in Oklahoma City and I felt the Holy Spirit say “Ask all of those who are considering taking their lives tonight to stand.  And those that are coming and this is their last resort, we had over fifty people stand.  And I just asked the people present to go lay hands on those people and I sang a prophetic song over them and not one of those people took their lives that night.

Sid: Well, I believe that as we play one of your songs the anointing will be so strong that even before they get their CDs deliverance is going to happen.  Tell me about the song that you received called, “Holy is Your Name.”

Dennis: Well, that is…the Lord’s Name is so significant to me that when we begin a relationship with anyone we get to know their name and with that name we attach, we associate their character, their nature.  So I went on this long journey of understanding the covenant names of God.  Jehovah Shema, Jehovah Tsidkenu, Jehovah Rophe, all the names that He calls Himself throughout the word and then I realized that because this is my Father and this is who He says I am, then that has a whole realm of possibility for me as an heir and joint heir with Christ.  So the magnificent, holiness of God is available to me as His child, as His new creation.  So it’s a song of worship just extolling the fact that our God is holy, He is like no other god and there is no other god who could be like Him.

Sid: “Holy is Your Name” by Dennis Jernigan.

Music excerpt: “Holy is Your Name” Dennis Jernigan

Sid: That was the Psalmist, Dennis Jernigan and I promise you the anointing is so strong in the studio right now, is so strong on his music, is so strong on his words that this is you know I keep saying this every time I get a new CD, but without a doubt this the strongest I have ever seen in our prayer meetings when we use his music for that.

Ron: Yes, my Mother has gone home to heaven, but Mother died well last October; told me she was going and two days later left and my sister found her asleep and gone to Glory.

Sid: Now that’s the way you’re suppose to die in your sleep.

Ron: Yeah, she died well.  And she had seen the doctor the day before and, but she told me three days before or four days before her death she told me she was tired and she missed Daddy and she wanted to go and be with God and go with the Lord Jesus.  But the devil tried to take her out with a heart problem four or five years earlier and she had open heart surgery and my brother called me and said, “You got to come home, I was in Amsterdam Holland, my mother’s dying.  So I’m telling you, angels got me home; I mean I was home within fifteen hours, which is a miracle when you don’t have flight arrangements.  And I walked in Mother’s chest was still open and my Uncle was standing there and said, “Where are you going to have Gladys’s funeral?  I said, “Anybody in this room that does not believe my Mother can be healed leave now.” I ran everybody out of the room, but my brother and my sister; and they will tell you, I stretched my hands over my mother’s open chest and the angels came; and you could feel a tangible heaviness, a cloud that came in over Mother right then.  And the next morning the doctor closed her; Mother had several good years of life; Mother was never in a nursing home; Mother was always, she had independent living.  She was always ready to drive her car, the funny thing that happened is that they put her on dialysis because of her kidneys and they told me, they told us that she can’t live without dialysis and Mother said, “I’m healed.”  So they took her off of dialysis and wanted us to come waiting for her to die.  And Mother said, “Give me a Coke,” and went to the restroom; she lived four more years; she never had to go back on dialysis.   And I am firmly convinced that I stuck my hands over my Mother that there was a tangible presence of God and the angels came around.  And Mother knows Mother talked about people being in the room with her when nobody was in the room so we know that she had angelic care during that season.  And I believe Sid that people that are listening to this broadcast can experience the same healing.

Sid: Well, I sense the presence of the Holy Spirit for healing and you told me there was a host of angels in your room because we are doing this interview by way of telephone.  What are these angels up to right now?

Ron: Well, here’s what the Lord’s telling me, Satan one of his assignments is to wear out the saints.  Two out of three sick people whose bodies are sick have been attacked demonically in their mind or in their heart and are wore out, their depressed, it’s manifested now in physical symptoms, some of them are getting stomach disorders and cancers because of it.  But you remember that it says that when Jesus was tempted, after he rebuked the devil with the Word of God, it said in Matthew 4:11 “The angels came and ministered to Him.”  I believe that God sends the angels to bring ministry to those whom the enemy has attacked.  The Bible says in Acts 10 “That Jesus when He went he went forth, He went about doing good and healed all those who were oppressed of the devil.” So right now I believe that He’ll heal all who are listening to me right now.  Know that the angels can move beyond the speed of light, they are here they are two angels for every devil.  And so right now in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ I command angels to go forth to every listener to touch, to minister, to heal even those that are participating in this broadcast in the room; in the area who are here.  Anyone hearing my voice angels will come to strengthen you and to minister to you and as the Spirit of God releases healing by the blood of Jesus let the angels come and bring strength to dead limbs and to vision to blind eyes and hearing to deaf ears and encouragement to those who are depressed that have a spirit of heaviness.  I ask right now, I command demonic spirits of infirmity to leave.  Devils get off of their chest; get off of their back right now.  I command angels that escort to these demonic entities to the pit to the dry places for never to return and I command that healing will go forth in the name of Jesus.  Oh, Holy angels of God we command you to do what you are assigned to do according to Hebrew 1:14 at the voice of our Lord Jesus go forth and strengthen and heal the people in Jesus name.

Sid: Now you explained that just recently an angel who identified himself as Noble came to visit you and the result was you were strengthen in your spirit; you were strengthened in your body.  And what you said was a word from God that there are people listening to us right now that are just weary from the fight.

Ron: That’s right.

Sid: And I believe that if you pray right now that supernaturally the weariness will lift off of them and they are going to get a jump in their step and a new joy is going to come to them.

Ron: Yes, Father right now, you strengthen those like Elijah who on assignment for you the devil has tried to wear out.  I pray right now like you hock jumper cords up to a dead car battery that angel would come on each side of everyone hearing me right now, and Lord that those angels would strengthen believers from the inside out and not just their should not just an encouragement to their mind, but Lord their body physically right now.  Lord every disease of weakness of the body known and unknown will leave and that angels strength will flow.  I just pray now in the Name of Jesus and right now some of you need to pray in the language of angels.   Loose your prayer language now and feel the rest and strength begin to flow into your soul right now.  Angels can touch and minister to believers in your journey and angels are touching you right now in Jesus Name.

Sid: Now this is strange Ron, but my lips are beginning to tremble so I’m going to have to be obedient. (Prayer language flowing from Sid) What is God showing you Ron?

Ron: I’m telling you right now people instead of going under I see people are being lifted up on a wave and being carried instead of swimming and struggling across the dark waters they are being lifted like a surfboard and carried across their difficulties right now.  And you are going to make it to another level right now in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.  It’s happening right now in the mighty name of Jesus Christ He’s lifting you right now; He’s strengthening you right now.  Somebody’s weary from the journey right now I want you to know that like Philip was escorted by an angel in Act’s 8 suddenly God almighty can move you quickly and suddenly from that circumstance you in to another place.  You are going to open your eyes and realize that I’ve made it through I’m somewhere else I’m in a different level; the past is over now in Jesus Name.

Sid: And in your book you talk about the protection that’s found in Psalm 91 for those that know the secret place.  What is the secret place to you?

Ron: The secret place of the Most High is that place of intimacy with God and if you read through Psalm 91 and in my book it’s in that chapter.  There is a place of immunity and it’s where angels’ take care of you where no sickness, you know it’s good to get healed but wouldn’t it be better if no sickness came near your house?  Wouldn’t it be better rather than God recovering you from a fall if you didn’t trip and the angel’s were there to help you?  The secret place of the Most High is the third level; it’s that Holy of Holies experience.  It’s is that which God gives you when you are alone with Him and your body become a temple of the Holy Ghost and hear me, angels are ministered to the temple.  Angels, and if you live your life right with God the angels hover around your body as a worshiping experience and you move into that secret place your overshadowed just like the mercy seat.

Sid: You know what I’m reminded of?  There is a big debate over what to do about health insurance and everything believers should be way beyond that.  We should be in that secret place.

Ron: That’s right, and it says that no plague will come near your house, you know right now I just rebuke the swine flu in Jesus Name and declare that angels guard my house and your house from it in Jesus Name.  Oh, I got too loud but.

Sid: That’s okay but I’m going to tell you something, I can see Ron how God has prepared you step by step…you understand the Greek you understand the scriptures, because you were trained in the finest of Bible schools and then you had encounters with angels.  The Title of your book is “Invisible Allies.”  And what is your prayer for everyone that reads this book?

Ron: Oh, Heavenly Father, let them see, Lord touch their eyes like you did the servant of Elijah to see that the army around them in the Heavenlies is bigger than that which is against them.  Heavenly Father come anointing and show them Your presence and power and bring them the awareness that the spiritual world is more real and lasting than the difficulties their walking through today.  Come Holy Spirit, come angels of God do your work in Jesus Name.

Sid: Remember Mishpochah we are in the last of the last days and human options are dwindling we must learn how to partner with the angels.

Sid: I just got exposed to a teaching and I can’t wait for you to understand this because as you know for the past forty years I’ve been investigating healing and miracles and the supernatural.  And yeah we see the healing promised in Isaiah 53, 1 Peter 2:24 we recognize that, but there seems to be a disconnect between the truth of what Jesus did and manifesting that truth in many of our lives.  And when I find keys that help us manifest what we are given by the death and resurrection of Jesus I get excited; and this is one of those very very special keys.  I have Larry Hutton on the telephone and Larry, in 1976 you were pretty messed up physically, tell me about that.

Larry: Well, thirty-six years ago in 1976 I got healed of what the doctors called an incurable disease.  They said that it wasn’t terminal that I could live with it and have medication that could alleviate some of the symptoms.  But they did tests on me, I thought as I was a kid that it was just severe allergies, sinus, hay fever and then the doctors ran tests.  And they said, “Well, you have a deficiency in your body, you’re allergic to over a hundred twenty different things and so we could put you on medication the rest of your life.  And of course I like to play sports so the medication would alleviate symptoms so I could play.  But even with the medication I would have attacks that would cause my, just for me to get totally congested where I could hardly breath and sneezing and eyes swallow and all of this junk going on in your body.  And I mean even with the medication there’d be major attack where I couldn’t go to school or I couldn’t go play ball, things like that.  But I finally went to a church that believed that Jesus is the same today as when He physically walked the earth; He went about doing good and healing all that were oppressed of the devil then and He still does the same thing today.

Sid: Now before you went to that church, what would you have summarized your belief system as in reference to healing?

Larry: Well, I was taught in the church I was raised in which was a denominational church I was raised in and I was taught that God, first of all that God; healing and miracles had been done away with.

Sid: And you know, being Jewish and being saved at age thirty, I often wonder I don’t see how anyone can read the Bible Old or New Testament and come up with that conclusion, I don’t get it.

Larry: It’s a doctrine of devils is what it is; I’m telling you that it just deceives people.  And I believed healing and miracles had been done away with; that all ceased when the last apostle died.  Well, if you believe that it’s been done away with you sure not going to receive it.

Sid: Okay, but you go to this church and now I would think that you would think maybe it’s the devil speaking through these people that are talking about healing, that Jesus doesn’t change.

Larry: Yeah, exactly if fact when I got over there to the church that was having miracles happen and they taught me about Jesus the healer and I end up getting healed in my body.  Then it made me think well, wait a minute, maybe some of this other stuff I’ve been taught is not true as well.  Maybe God’s redeemed me in more than just one area spiritually, maybe He’s redeemed me physically and financially and mentally and in every way He’s redeemed me so.

Sid: Well, in 1976 your just a twenty-two year old kid and tell me the worst situation physically you were in because of these hundred twenty allergies.

Larry: Yeah, just being laid up in bed for a couple days at a time, not hardly being able to breathe because you’re so congested and so filled with junk and not being able to hardly see because your eyes just watering so much.  It was just…

Sid: Okay, you find out that God hasn’t changed and God’s word is true and Jesus is the healer.  You find this out; once you found that out what was the process of the manifestation?

Larry: Well, I remember going to church and hearing the pastor preach Matthew 8:17 “That it might be fulfilled that which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet saying “Himself took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses,” and I remember him expounding on that.  Jesus bore your sicknesses as your substitute, he didn’t bare them with you, He bore them for you so you didn’t have to.  And I remember hearing that and thought, “Man that’s good news, you know it was hard to believe for me because I had never heard it.  But I remember after several months of hearing verses like that and just scriptures that “He is the God that heals us,” He is not the God that makes us sick; He is the God that heals us.  And so I remember going home from church one afternoon, walking into my living room of my house; I was working for Delta Airlines during those years and lived out in Zephyrhills Florida.  I had a little ranch out there raising horses and I remember making the decision when I walked in my home, I thought “You know what, I know that I’m going back to church tonight and I know my pastor lays hand on people and people are getting healed, but I don’t want to wait; I want to get healed right now!”  I remember walking into my living room and lifting up my hands to Heaven and I just started talking to the Lord just like you talk to a person.  You know one thing I did learn about this church that believed in healing and miracles, they also believed that you didn’t have to sound religious when you talk to God.  You know you didn’t have to use the Thees and the Thous; and get real spiritual so to speak, just talk to Him normal, He created you, he know what you sound like right?  And so I walked on and just lifted up voice and I said, “God, I found out that you put my sickness and disease on Jesus and that you laid all my sickness on him at the cross at Calvary and that I don’t have to have it.  So Jesus I received you as my savior when I was thirteen years old, I’m twenty-two right now and I’m receiving you as my healer right now.” Now of course you and I know Sid, that he’s not two different Jesus’ but I just I just found out that there is another work of his grace; that He provided healing just as much as He provided being saved from sin.  And because I was saved from sin I could be healed in my body that all that grace and salvation had come was a total and complete package.  So right there in my living room I just received by faith, because that’s how we receive the grace of God, by faith the Bible says.  So I received, I just lifted up and I believed that Jesus healed me nearly 2,000 years ago and I believe I’m healed right now.  Now Sid, I did not feel any different, but I knew that something changed.  It wasn’t just the looking for a feeling, kind a like when I was thirteen and received Jesus as Savior my particular experience wasn’t like some people that gets goose pimples and bumps and they just fell all this weight lift off of them.  I never felt any supernatural feeling from the outside when I received Jesus and yet on the inside I knew that I knew that I knew that I was a child of God now.

Sid: You know something Larry, there’s something that’s coming to me, because I understand what you’re saying and many times I pray for the sick and I can feel the healing anointing flow right out of me like a river.  And not them, I know that their healed, I know that they are; but sometimes they are and sometimes they’re not.  I mean the most frustrating thing is when I can sense the healing anointing going into someone and the manifestation doesn’t occur.  But I believe you have a key and it is as far as I’m concerned, the most major key I’ve ever seen.  It was in 1977 God started speaking to you about these keys; tell me about that.

Larry: Yeah, I was healed in my body ’76 I was just really seeking the Lord, turned on to him.  My pastor started working with me; he sensed that I had a call of God on my life to teach the word.  And so here I am just seeking the Lord and all of a sudden one day in my bedroom the Lord talked to me.  I felt like He came into my bedroom, I did not see Him, but I felt His presence so strong and just like, I don’t think I could have gotten up if I tried, I didn’t try, but I feel like…

Sid: You know, as your sharing it right now, I feel an increase of His presence; I can sense it, but go ahead.

Larry: Yes and when He came in the room He started talking to me, He said, “Larry I am going to show you in my word what to do and if you do what I tell you, you will never have another down day the rest of your life.”

Sid: What!  Please repeat that because some people’s brain went on tilt when you said that.”

Larry: Ha-ha yeah.

Sid: Say that again what He told you.

Larry: He said, “Larry I’m going to teach you in my word what to do and if you do what I tell you, you will not have another down day the rest of your life.”  Now He explained to me, went on to explain what He meant when He said, just down days.  He was talking about all the negative emotions, He said, “Bad temper and anger that controls people, that emotion, and depression that controls people and stress, and worry and discouragement.”  He started naming all these different negative emotions that control peoples’ lives; and He said, “You are going to have plenty of opportunity from now until you die to have all kinds of those emotions control you, but I’m going to show you how to live free from them.”

Sid: Now when people get a hold of this teaching, what are some of the reports that you get just briefly of their lives being changed?

Larry: Well, I could give you a lot; this one lady came to one of my meeting and got a hold of my book that teaches what the Lord showed me.  And she read the book and it’s basically teaching you emotional stability in an unstable world.  You know the world’s very unstable, would bring all kinds of stress and worry and depression, discouragements.  And she read the book and what I didn’t know until she came up and gave us her testimony is that she had been bipolar for over forty years.  She had been on medicine, the doctors told her her hormones were way off and her chemicals, imbalance in the body and so you’ll just have to be on medicine all your life.

Sid: Bottom line what happened?

Larry: She was completely healed and delivered and she’s been off all her medication for years now.

Sid: You know what is so amazing to me is just people with just things like high blood pressure that once, could you picture living 24-7 the rest of your life not worrying, not having fear, not having anger, bad uncontrolled anger, or strife with people or stress?  Wow!

Jonathan: Well Sid, it was quite a startling word, I didn’t understand it at the time and he said two different things in it that surprised me the most.  He said that, “Jonathan, you are not losing your mind, your simply beginning to discern spirits as never before and that I’m going to discern spirits more than I ever wanted to.”  I didn’t understand what the gift of the Discerning of spirits was and so I was a little confused.  I hadn’t desired this gift so to see it more than I ever wanted to would have been anything.  I hadn’t discerned anything previous to this.

Sid: Now, he also gave you another strange Word from God and that was that you were to kind of keep your mouth shut about what you were seeing.  Why did he say that?

Jonathan: Well, now as many years later in retrospect I see the wisdom, he said that the Lord says I should keep my mouth shut about what I’m seeing and not to be too verbal because I’m at the beginning stages of understanding.

Sid: Now, tell me what happened over the next thirty days after that prophetic word.

Jonathan: Well, the other thing he mentioned in the Word was that the Lord had called me as a Seer which Seer, I didn’t understand that term at the time either.  And so I began to see things in the spirit; I would be walking somewhere say through a store or down the street and I would see other individuals in the physical, but I would see things around them or about them.

Sid: Give me an example.

Jonathan: A good example, sometimes people would have a sickness in their body in the physical and I might see in the Spirit an object lodged in them like I the spirit realm superimposed over the natural I might see a sword stuck into an individual.  And if I asked them “Do you have pain in that area of their body?” they would begin to describe yes I do, how did you know that?  And I could tell them what’s going on and pray for them and see healing occur.

Sid: Now you’ve actually found that you could pull that dagger in the spirit out of them and they get healed.

Jonathan: Oh definitely, we’ve seen…

Sid: Give me one real life person that you’ve seen this with.

Jonathan: Absolutely, I was praying for some people at a church after I had finished ministering and speaking and I saw a lady who in the spirit I saw spears that were stuck into her like eight foot pointed spears that had been lodged in her body in all directions around her.  And as I saw this I started to ask the Lord “What am I seeing here and what does this represent?”  And on each one of these spears I would see a word, I would see unforgiveness, or bitterness, resentment, fear, hatred and so I asked the Lord, “What do I need to do to bring healing here?” Now this was even before I found out what was wrong with her and so I began the process of asking her and she shared that she had Epstein bar virus and chronic fatigue and fibromyalgia.

Sid: Now, it’s very interesting that you’re talking about Epstein bar because that is a predominately Jewish disease; did you know that?

Jonathan: I was not aware of that.

Sid: And guess what, I think God wants a lot of Christians walking in this type of discernment so that they can get Jewish people healed so Jewish people will want to know the healer.

Jonathan: Oh, absolutely I would agree with that for sure, there’s such an anointing with the gift of discerning of spirits that brings healing to people.  I’ve found that there are people who’ve prayed for healing countless times and have not received their healing that when we begin to address these objects in the spirit realm and bring healing to their body through removing these daggers, these swords.

Sid: Well, take me back to that person that you saw these daggers in and what did you do and what happened that had all these diseases Epstein Bar and the other things.

Jonathan: First I asked her as I always do just out of politeness “May I lay hands on you?”  And this is probably one of the only times that someone actually said, “No please don’t and the reason was she said that there was just so much pain in her body that even just a physical touch would hurt her.”  And I described to her what I was seeing, these eight foot sticks sticking out of her and she said that perfectly describes.  She had a social anxiety as well and she said that she would feel pain in her body if anyone got within eight feet of her.  And so there was something in the spirit that was affecting her physical body and she allowed me to lead her through some prayers that she forgave some individuals, she broke some of those curses, we spoke blessing over her body.  I took about close to an hour to go through many of these different spears that were lodged in her and when…

Sid: Now as you went through each aspect could you see the spear being removed?

Jonathan: You know when we do it they don’t remove just by themselves, there’s also if the spear is unforgiveness and we go through and we forgive then I would take hold of that spear in the spirit and I would remove it.  It’s called a prophetic act and we see these throughout the Old Testament that a physical act releases a spiritual reality.

Sid: So someone could go their whole life without this gift of discernment and suffer when it was needless.

Jonathan: Oh definitely, we see it in the practice of Jesus; He operated in discerning of spirits when he brought healing to people.  You remember the story in Luke 13 where a woman that had been bent over for eighteen years.

Sid: Yeah, that’s one of my favorite stories.

Jonathan: Oh, it’s so deep there’s so much there, but the reality of it is Jesus saw the spirit of infirmity that was bending the woman over for eighteen years, but all he says to her is woman, your loosed, or woman you’re free.  He doesn’t rebuke a spirit of infirmity, we know because we read the word that there was a spirit there, but it’s not like everybody watching was seeing that spirit; but Jesus was discerning it and He dealt with it.

Sid: It must make you so excited in fact I believe you have an absolute passion to see all believer move in this gift of discernment of spirits.  But tell, let’s go back to this next thirty days after this prophecy, what other things did you see?

Jonathan: Oh, it was tremendous, I was overwhelmed literally to go anywhere because being around people, the Holy Spirit was showing me so many things and I was seeing around believer, I was seeing light just radiate out of their body.  In the Spirit realm I would see light radiating out from behind them.

Sid: What did this light mean?

Jonathan: Well, you know all of us have been created in the image of God and when we partake of the divine nature as it says in Peter that were partakers of the divine nature.  In the Spirit we look different than we do in the natural; there’s just this light of the Holy Spirit that radiates out from us.

Sid: Now could you also see darkness on some people?

Jonathan: Yes, sometimes even people who are believers still carry around a cloud of depression and darkness that is trying to suppress that light as well as nonbelievers and that was probably the most overwhelming was seeing some of the demonic.

Sid: Now could you tell the difference between a believer and a nonbeliever if you didn’t know the person?

Jonathan: Surprisingly yes, that was part of it that was so overwhelming, was seeing the differences; even seeing what certain believer were struggling with in certain areas of their life.  It was for about thirty days after I received the word from Dennis Cramer it was constant, it was all day long seeing things.

Sid: Now you would see body parts appearing, explain that.

Jonathan: Awe, the body parts.  Well the body parts were at times the Lord wanted to heal an organ inside of someone.  You know not all of our injuries are as visible as a cast on an arm or crutches.  And so the Lord would give discernment to show me that person needs this organ put into their body.  And so I would see the organs superimposed over the body and I would ask them the question you know “Do you need a new organ in this part of your body?”  And they would describe, “Yes, I need a new kidney, a new heart, a new pancreas whatever it would be and we would pray together and ask the Lord to put that into their body.

Sid: Opps our time is slipping away…

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Ruth Fazal, and Ruth, I don’t know if anyone has ever told you this. But there are angels that accompany you. Do you know that? I mean, I went into the dressing room where they were putting makeup on you and I just sat down, and I could feel an angel touching me. It was like there was an angel in the room while you were getting makeup.

RUTH: Wow. I had an experience about a year or two ago. And I was in Holland and I was staying with this wonderful young couple, this pastor; and his wife is really prophetic. And as people were walking along the path, I just, it was summertime; I casually just picked a piece of grass. You know, there was a high grass. I casually picked a piece of grass and she said, “Your angel did that just before you did.” And I’m going, what?

SID: Speaking of angels, tell me about in the U.K. what happened.

RUTH: When we were at the, there was a church down in Devon?

SID: Yes.

RUTH: We had just been, I had been leading worship at this church, because I lead worship as well as do things with the violin. And we were just in that place where we were singing like “Holy, Holy, Holy”, I think, something like that. And then all of a sudden I stopped and there was this sense of God’s presence in this little church, very old church. And somebody started like:

Woman: Look! Look!

RUTH: …like this.  And then I see the pastor and he’s crawling along the floor in front of me and he’s going, “Look, look up there!” And I’m going, “I can’t see anything.” But people were seeing angels. It was an amazing thing. I feel like I feel the presence, but I’ve yet to see one. I want to see one.

SID: Now you did a special oratorio for Jewish people. What were you trying to accomplish when you did this? And this was at Carnegie Hall. This was in Israel for Holocaust survivors. What were you really trying to accomplish?

RUTH: You know what? I wasn’t trying to accomplish anything. I was just being a violinist, being a worship leader, doing what I do with the violin. And one day somebody gave me a book of poetry of children from the Holocaust. And I felt God say to me, “Ruth, I want you to take some of these poems, weave them together with the Scriptures to portray my heart in the midst of the suffering.” That’s all I knew. And so I responded to Him in that. I said, yes. I mean, I didn’t really know what I was saying. And it wasn’t really until the whole thing probably took me two and a half years to write this big piece for orchestra and choirs. And it wasn’t until I was sort of some way into it that I started to see what God was actually doing. That this was very specific…

SID: What was He doing?

RUTH: Two things. He was creating something, I believe, by putting together these songs, the poems of these children with the Scriptures. He was putting something to say to those who for so many in the Holocaust, God died. If God actually did care us about as a people, then why did this happen?

SID: Many Jewish people have that question.

RUTH: Of course they do. And so I feel what it is, is it’s saying, “Will you reconsider the goodness of God?”

SID: Tell me about that Holocaust survivor that started dancing.

RUTH: That’s like after, that was last year when I was in Israel. And one of the things that God has really, I feel has asked me is, “Ruth will you play over as many Holocaust survivors as I give you to play over?” I mean, my heart is just so, it feels entwined somehow in them. I don’t really know how to describe it. It’s connecting God’s heart to people. That’s the most important thing. And so I was playing in this little kibbutz up in the Galilee area. It was a small group, and so it was a little different than the normal sort of playing some music and maybe talking a little bit. And I felt like the Lord said, “I want you to play over each one of them.” And so I went around the room, asked them their name and then just played what I felt God gave me to play. And there was this one lady, I mean, they all, there was wonderful response from all them. But there was one I remember so especially because she was sitting so still and quiet. And I felt I heard the Lord say, “Play a dance.” A dance? That’s the last thing she needs. She needs something very different from that. But anyway, I did. I started to play. And she’s sitting in the chair and she starts moving like this. And then she gets up and she starts like doing almost like a jig on the floor. And then the staff got in there with her. It was so specifically for her.

SID: Your music is so soothing. I would like you to go to the music set and play something just for our audience right now, because she plays spontaneous music. And this is going to be just for you. I can tell you, I soak under this music. People all over the world soak under this music. Ruth Fazal.

Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I just breathing in the rarified air of Heaven. But there’s a problem I want to point out to you. Many people are beginning to understand the power of God, but so few people understand prophesy. That’s why I’m so excited about my guest, Joel Richardson. You see, he’s been a guest before on It’s Supernatural, but I just saw a video, a top quality movie produced by the nation of Iran and it got me so upset I had to have Joel Richardson as a guest to comment on that. Joel, have you seen that video? What is it called?

Joel: It’s called “The Coming is Near” and as you said, it was produced by the top religious Islamic scholars in the nation of Iran. It’s been endorsed by the top governmental leaders and it’s been shown throughout the country. They’re surprised that we got a hold of it and we’ve translated it, and that we understand what they are looking for.

Sid: What is, why would they do a Hollywood style movie to spread throughout everyone in Iran? What is the intent? What’s the purpose of this?

Joel: The purpose is to stir up the masses. One of the primary calls that you see…

Sid: It’s so emotional, that film.

Joel: It is a clarion call to embrace Islamic End Time doctrine for the masses of Muslims throughout, not just Iran, but throughout the Islamic world to turn back to their End Time prophesies. And one of the primary calls in the documentary is that millions of martyrs that would set themselves up to invade the land of Israel as martyrs for Allah, they’re trying to stir up the masses to fulfill the Islamic End Time prophesies of a final invasion of the land of Israel.

Sid: You know what it reminded me of? Adolf Hitler. Adolf Hitler wrote a book called “Mein Kampf” and in this book he described exactly what he was going to do and he tried to do it, and he did unfortunately accomplish a great deal of this goal. Well that’s what this video is. It explains exactly what Iran wants to do in the last days. And the question that I have is do you understand from the Word of God what’s going on? They talk in this video about a Mahdi, which is a description of their Messiah that’s coming. I believe he’s the twelfth?

Joel: According to the Shia, they believe that the Mahdi, this is the Islamic Messiah figure, is the twelfth male descendent of Mohammed. Now let me just point this out, Sid. It is more than just the Shia that believe in the coming of the Mahdi. This is a universal doctrine that Sunis, the majority sect, 85% of the Muslim world, also believe in the coming of the Mahdi. And so it is both the radicals in Iran as well as the Muslim Brotherhood, the radicals throughout the greater Arab world that are expecting the coming of this Messiah figure.

Sid: Now the interesting thing is that their Messiah figure is a perfect description of the biblical description of the Antichrist. Would you agree?

Joel: Yeah. In a nutshell, the Antichrist, according to the Bible, he revives an empire. From the Islamic side they believe the Mahdi revives an Islamic empire, that he will unify the Islamic world. The Antichrist leads this coalition in an invasion of Israel. The Mahdi also leads the Islamic world in an invasion of Israel. The Antichrist rules for seven years. Mahdi rules for seven years. Antichrist engages in a peace treaty with Israel. Mahdi also engages in a so-called peace treaty with Israel. These are what I call anti-parallels. When we look at the biblical description of the Antichrist, he is very similar to the Islamic Messiah.

Sid: Now what must happen before their Messiah or our Antichrist comes on the scene, according to the Koran?

Joel: Well similarly to the Bible, they believe that the world must be in a state of chaos, of, you know, all sorts of moral declines and so forth, and they look at the world today and they see all of these signs. But they also believe it will be much greater than even what we’re seeing now. There’ll be wars and out of all of these, this time of conflict and chaos, their Messiah will emerge and bring the Islamic version of peace and justice to the world.

Sid: But don’t they need to have Jerusalem in their possession for him to come?

Joel: This is what’s so amazing. They believe, and again, the Antichrist, according to II Thessalonians, “Will set himself up in the Temple of God as if he is God.” This is what the Bible says of the Antichrist. They believe that the Mahdi will lead the Islamic nations in an invasion of Israel and take what they call Baitul Maqdis, the Holy House, this is Jerusalem, and they will plant the flags of Islam on the Temple Mount where the Mahdi will rule the world from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

Sid: But I have to tell you what upset me the most was it did remind me of Adolf Hitler. He had such a charisma. And when their leader was talking to the masses, Joel, it reminded me of a meeting that Adolf Hitler would have had.

Joel: Imagine if in the United States our President was also your pastor. And imagine if all the senators, they were our religious leaders and they produced a movie telling the Christians of the nation that the End Times are here and that they themselves are the leaders and the primary players in this final End Time battle, and calling on Christians of the earth to prepare to give up their lives in a physical battle. That’s exactly what’s taking place in the nation of Iran today.

Sid: How many martyrs do you believe they’re trying to prepare?

Joel: Well the video specifically calls for millions, millions of martyrs. There are obviously 70 million in Iran right now, 70 million citizens. A large percentage of them are very non-religious, but they are appealing to that percentage of the population that is religious, calling on them to give up their lives in the process of killing. This is important. To give up their lives to kill others.

Sid: Can you image a million people wanting to give up their lives to kill others? When we come back, I want you to see that the popular theology of perhaps the Left Behind series and that type of mentality is not even relevant to the End Times. It’s a totally different paradigm. Don’t go away. Be right back.

Sid: My guest, Georgian Banov, Georgian people spend a lot of money here in the states for plastic surgery, but I understand a woman’s face began to burn because the presence of God went on her and what happened to all of her wrinkles during your worship service?

Georgian: Yeah, during the worship she said she felt tingling, this is Friday night last May in Youngstown; we have it on video actually.  She said, she began to feel this tingling and she felt the Lord in different ways, never felt that kind of a tingling, but enjoyed it.  And then after the worship, she went to the ladies room and looked at the mirror and wow, every wrinkle on her face was gone, completely gone and her skin looked like the skin of her young, like the skin of her young little children and they look at Mom because it transformed the face of their Mother.  And she said, “Look,” and she is in her early mid-forties and I look and truly there is not one single wrinkle on her face.

Sid: Is that because this meeting was held in Youngstown, Ohio?

Georgian: This meeting was held in Youngstown, Ohio.

Sid: Okay, you didn’t get my joke there, I guess it must be your Bulgarian background, young, she got young!  Ha-ha.

Georgian: She got young, you’re right, Ha-ha

Sid: You got it, good!  Ha-ah

Georgian: By the way, we are releasing economical blessing; everywhere we go we release financial blessings, people get houses, and we change the climate of the industry in places we go.  And Youngstown was just recently picked from a foreign company and building a huge factory and is provided like three to five thousand jobs for the local economy of Youngstown.  So we are renewing this city, the Lord is renewing the city.

Sid: There is so much favor for healing, for miracles, for joy, for peace in your music; I think that everyone needs your CD.  But I think it’s amazing when you were with my friend Rodney Howard Brown, you actually recorded the sounds of angels, everyone there heard angels singing.  Tell me about that.

Georgian: For an hour and a half I played the violin and then the place erupted in this a deafening level joy ecstatic sound and it went into this realm where we hear thousands and thousands of angels singing an ecstatic sound and it lasted over an hour and half and Rodney couldn’t even preach.  It was just a roar of Heaven, like you know the Bible says in Heaven, “The sounds like a roaring of the sea,” the roar of Heaven was on us for over an hour and a half over an hour and a half.  And is the most amazing it’s a video called “The Night the Angels Sang.”

Sid: Tell me about the frozen chicken.

Georgian: A ha-ha, the frozen chicken, we had this crusade in Mali, but we could not buy any food in any Mali store  So we had the money, so we says, “Why don’t we order our chicken from and fly it from South Africa?”  So we fill this chicken with food, I mean this airplane with chicken and flew it.

Sid: You are going to get me laughing; you filled this chicken with food.  Ha-ha.

Georgian: Chicken cordon and it got confiscated, unfortunately at the Mali border.

Sid: And I don’t blame them, they wanted the chicken.

Georgian: It sat there for three days over 110 degree heat.

Sid: Well, that was the end of the chicken, I’m sure.

Georgian: That’s it; it’s rotten and melted and destroyed by now and it’s not going to be good.  But when we finally released it from customs and arrived to our site it was still frozen, rock frozen and the plane was like a frosted!  And the kids have never felt nothing cold up in that area, because first of all there is no electricity there it’s a bush conference and they’ve never seen nothing frozen.  So they were overjoyed with this frozen chicken, they were touching it and licking it and experiencing this cold.  And then once we thawed it and cooked it and make a feast for like 10,000 people were there and as a result of that chicken 200 people responded to an altar call to become pastors.  And people said, “If God can fly frozen chicken for us He can do anything and we will serve Him and we will be His pastors so.

Sid: But when I don’t get is, here you have the chicken sitting for what three days over a 100  degrees outside and when it got there you’re telling me that it was still frozen?

Georgian: Still frozen rock solid, like not even an outward skin was soft.  Everything was rock frozen!

Sid: How’d the Pilot react?

Georgian: The Pilot was so, first of all he was so scared that they are going to confiscate the plane he ran out of the airport with his plane, you know you have to have permission, but he was too scared that they are going to confiscate it, he just ran you know, flew off and returned home in South Africa and too miracles happened.  His wife called him, he has been divorced for over seven years, his wife called him and they got reconciliation and they got remarried.  And then he had AIDS and he felt much better after the trip and he went and checked the AIDS were gone!

Sid: You’re saying the glory was able to keep thawed out chicken frozen in what, 110 degrees for three days and the glory was so strong it got rid of his AIDS and restored his marriage.  I think that that’s something to celebrate about.  Let’s hear Kingdom Celebration from the brand new Collection were making available from Georgian Banov called the “Joy Celebration Collection.”

“Joy Celebration Collection” excerpt:  “Kingdom Celebration”

Sid: That was “Kingdom Celebration,” is that joyful?  How would you like that in your home, but do you know what is even more exciting than that?  When Georgian had this meeting with the frozen chicken, the anointing had to be so strong on that chicken because remember it sat outside in a 110 degrees for three days and it was just as frozen when it arrived as when they started.  It could not be in the natural, but the anointing was so strong that when you gave an altar call what happened Georgian?

Georgian: Two hundred people responded to become pastors, we got trained, and now we have over 200 churches and they call them the Chicken Churches, ha-ha.

Sid: I can understand why.  Now Georgian when you celebrate in music you operate in Words of Knowledge and the anointing has been so strong this week, what is God healing right now?

Georgian: Right now God is healing a sense of rejection, He’s healing a marriage, he is healing someone who’s saying there’s no love left in my marriage and God says “Good, your love is left no more, but My love is still here so tap into My love.  Right now the Lord is saying “just trust me, let Me love your spouse because I love your spouse and I will love you, let Me love you.”  And so God is restoring somebody’s marriage, I see God is taking away the sign of somebody’s house whose says foreclosure, God is taking it away, God said, “”Listen I will not allow that house to be foreclosed, I paid dearly in blood for you to become my home.”

Sid: My guest, that’s an understatement; red hot for you Georgian Banov is an absolute understatement.  I have seen you when you’ve play your violin; what is going on inside of you when you are playing your violin?  You’re almost in a different realm.

Georgian: It is, it’s almost like stepping in Heavenly, not always I see Heavenly when I play the violin, but I always feel like I’m directly connected to the Messiah and He actually, He like coaches me.  He likes me to play certain melodies and I never understand why one melody would be different, but He says yeah, do it like this, do it like this now repeat it again and again.  And I have this relationship with the Lord in a musical way as well; and I can feel His joy when He says play this melody that way; and okay and I can feel His joy and I can feel His you know, His love.  And I go to arrange of emotions, but I very often feel His instruction of what He wants me to play and which melody.

Sid: Now, I find this fascinating for those that didn’t listen to yesterday’s broadcast, we found out that Georgian was born in communist Bulgaria; raised as an atheist.  He started the first Rock & Roll band in Bulgaria.  Then he came to the United States, swept into the Jesus Movement and he had his own encounter with the Lord.  And then he had a vision of Heaven and he saw angels, I mean you started out so supernatural.  You don’t know what it is Georgian to not be supernatural, do you?

Georgian: No, not with the Lord, it’s always been supernatural.

Sid: But tell me about a year and half after you became a believer you were literally transported into the throne room of Heaven, tell me about that.

Georgian: What happened was for a season of six months I had been skipping dinner, because that’s about the only way to get away and use some time and really pray, because I love spending time with the Lord, Like hours on end.  So I’d skip four o’clock, five o’clock dinner and I’d go out and don’t come back until midnight.  And I’m walking and walking in this ranch area that we use to live in Texas and one night just as I was normally praying and praying for Bulgaria, my relatives and my friends suddenly, between me and God the Father there is the God-head there is a shaft.  Some sort of like a shaft between me and Him; like a tube and I can hear Him and He says, “What do you want?”  Like I broke through to His attention and its like, “Okay, I hear you, what is it that you want?”  And I did not know what to say at that very second because I didn’t want to say just anything, but I wanted it to be something very meaningful so I reached out to the Holy Spirit to help me and I said like, “Help me.” And the Holy Spirit punched a word in my belly, and it came out of my throat, and the word was souls; like I want souls.  And that word went right into the shaft and into God’s mind, you know God’s heart and God’s ears and it was a pleasing word.  And at that moment I collapsed on to the dirt, onto the ground where I was praying and instead of hitting the dirt I was transported into my future and I was in a large stadium like physically I was there.  And I had a large stage.

Sid: Well, there’s no time in Heaven, so you it seemed, so you were literally there since there’s no time; it was your future, but you were also were there.  So what did you see?

Georgian: I saw large stadium, I was on the stage with a big band and other ministers around me and I was ministering in the Lord’s, I can’t even remember what I was just singing or ministering in the Spirit; it was something like ministering in the Spirit and that moment I saw that the top bleachers of the stadium began to get covered with like a cloud or like a fog, like a thick thick as white, I could not see nothing once it gets covered.  Then row after row after row the glory of the, you know the cloud came and covered and covered covered the entire stadium and started moving toward the grass and people on the grass as well; moving towards us and I remembered distinctly as the cloud hits the persons, the rows I could see them before the last second before they disappear and the eyes would get so large and so big in expression was like wow!  Like they’re seeing, they’re seeing something amazing, and then they get covered with a cloud, and they get covered.  And finally the cloud went up on the stage and overshadow all of us and all of us collapsed on the stage; we were just completely overwhelmed and we couldn’t see nothing, but God just His presence.  Everything else disappeared and when I collapsed on the stage along with everybody and I hit the deck, at that point I was back to my present, you know in Texas in the dirt.

Sid: You know shortly thereafter you became the leader of a contemporary worship team called “Silver Wind.”

Georgian: Yeah.

Sid: And history shows your records sold over three and half million.  Most people listening to us grew up with your children’s music, “Bullfrog and Butterfly’s” and you won a Dove Award and Grammy Award and of course your “Music Machine.”  And although that was a big hit in the ‘70s it’s a big hit today, but tell me about, since you said to God you wanted to reach souls, that’s what you asked for; and you said the right thing to God and then you wrote a song which we have on our special CD we are offering called “The Joy Celebration Collection,” called “The God of Mercy” tell me about that song.

Georgian: That, “The God of Mercy,” is my God, He treated me mercifully and kindly and with great compassion, and that’s the song talks about the merciful and compassionate side of our God and how I have experienced it in personal relationship with Him.  I’m very connected with the Lord, I’m very…I feel His sound of His voice and He continues to have very much compassion for me and His reading the Psalms of David and some of the other songs of the Korah.  I feel the same way, and that’s how I grew up to know the Lord.

Sid: Now, when you worship God, How do you worship God?

Georgian: Worship God, is like…

Sid: I mean, when you are by yourself, not with anyone else.

Georgian: Yeah, when I’m by myself, it’s always primarily inward, overwhelming sense of His immediate presence and as He’s touching me, understanding me and ministering to me and I’m just in adoration, I have a sense of adoration.  And sometimes almost like kissing God, sometimes it’s just holding His hand or holding His waist and holding His neck like a Father and a son; so I have different visuals, but it’s all like one like…

Sid: Well, let’s see what those that are listening experience as they hear “God of Mercy.”

“God of Mercy” Music excerpt.

Sid: That was the “God of Mercy” from the “Joy Celebration Collection” and Georgian, when you do that son live, what happens to people?

Georgian: People experience being loved and compassionately loved and understood by the Lord in a way that He understands their dilemmas and their problems.  And they feel overwhelmed with His I understand you, I love you, I’m forgiving you and they feel experience freedom from depression, freedom from rejection, freedom from being nobodies, like freedom like I’m insignificant, oh yes you are and as the song God comes on people and fills their soul part with significance and with look at what I’ve done.

Sid: And let me just speak a little to this, when people hear Georgian they are supernaturally healed, they have angelic visitations, they have such peace and such joy and I’m so excited…