Sid: And I have Pastor Bill Ligon in the studio today and you have the privilege of learning something that has been hijacked, has been stolen from the Church.  The power of imparting the Blessing.  What the Jewish Patriarchs knew that the Church today does not.  How could a slave nation that is freed become one of the greatest nations in the world; how did that develop but God; but the power of God?  Now Pastor Bill, tell me how God pulled this off, I mean all of these slaves in the desert and organizing them?  I mean you would think that everyone would be going their own way.

Bill: When you consider Sid that these people had in four hundred years history of slavery, they had been verbally cursed and abused, they had been physically cursed and abused in many many ways and God gave Moses that challenge.  Not only to deliver them from bondage to the strongest dictator of his day and take them through a desert but into a land filled with hostile tribes and establish them as a great nation with self esteem.  These people had no self worth, they had no self esteem and God gave to Moses three pillars of faith to accomplish that.  Those three pillars of faith have got to be present in the lives of people with low self esteem, low self worth in order for their lives to be changed and for them to accomplish their mission and their purpose and know their identity and their destiny in this life.  Those three that God gave to Moses first of all were the Blood Covenant, we call it the Passover.  He delivered them from Pharaoh’s control in Egypt through the power of the Blood; the same thing that God will do to deliver people today.  When they got out to Mount Sinai he called Moses up on the mountain and there he gave him the moral code; we call it the Ten Commandments.  But he gave him the moral code of God, the first four of which told them how to relate to God; the last six how to relate to one another.  That moral code is so important in the lives of God’s people.  In Psalm 19 the Bible says that this law of God this moral code of God converts the soul; changes the lives of people.  But then God gave to Moses the High Priestly Blessing.  And that High Priestly Blessing in Numbers Chapter 6:23-26 releases God’s favor upon his people and changes them.  Changes people from having no self esteem, no moral worth to having a great confidence in God and great confidence in themselves.

Sid: It’s the supernatural.

Bill: Exactly.

Sid: Of the supernatural God that is released that has been stolen from the Church.

Bill: That’s right and one of the first evidences that I saw, the power of this happened when shortly after we began to teach the principals of blessing in the church.  One of the mothers called me and said Pastor, “We have a real problem in our home.”  I said, “What is it?” She said “Our seventh grader he failed the seventh grade and he just brought home his first six weeks report card with all F’s.”  What do I do?  And I said, “Well, you and your husband bring him to me.”  She said, “Well, I want you to know that we’ve tried everything, we’ve tried spanking him, rewarding him, we’ve had him in to counselor’s office at school, we’ve had him in the principal’s office; nothing is working.”  So when I met the boy, I saw that he had no self esteem, no self worth, now there were things that we had to do to change his life.  So we took the same pillars of faith that God gave to Moses and we applied them to that boy’s life.  First of all, we taught his parents to pray and ask him to give them a different understanding of the potential in their son.  Because all they saw was his failure and they spoke his failure over him, they said “If you don’t change you will never make anything of yourself.”  So they began to understand that they had to see the potential in this boy.

Sid: They were doing the blessing in reverse…

Bill: They were cursing him.

Sid: They were cursing him, yes.

Bill: They were speaking spoken curses over his life.

Sid: And it was working.

Bill: Exactly and the teachers were doing the same thing.  And I taught the boy that the spoken blessing is the only thing that will break the spoken curse over your life.  So I had two things going on simultaneously.  First I had the parents laying hands on their son and speaking life and health over him every day.  May the Lord bless you with self esteem, may the Lord bless you with the ability to concentrate to retain information, to study properly, to behave in the school.  May the Lord give you those qualities and then I taught the boy how to bless his teachers because they were curing him.  I didn’t have access to his teachers and when he had learned well, I sent him to school the next day when he went to each classroom he approached the teachers desk, he said, “Teacher may I speak to you a moment?”  “What is it trouble maker?”  “Well, I want you to know that I am sorry for the way that I’ve acted in your class but you’re an excellent teacher and may God raise you up to be the star teacher in this school and may the Lord give you favor in all that you do in success and in all of your ways.”  I had a whole series of blessings that he was to speak over his teachers to breaks the curse over himself.  Well, one teacher out of all of them took the occasion to curse him again.  He said, “You are a liar, I don’t believe anything that you say, you’ll never make anything out of yourself, I don’t want you in my classroom.”

Sid: That must have crushed that young man.

Bill: Well, I had him ready, I had him prepared, he just remained quiet, didn’t react to it he didn’t get angry.  When the teacher was through he said, “I understand how you feel and I’m sorry for that but you’re an excellent teacher and may God raise you up to be the star teacher in this school” and he spoke the blessing the second time.

Sid: Oh, he must have crushed that teacher.

Bill: I asked him, I said, “What did the teacher do?”  He said, he just sat there quietly for a moment and then said, “Well if you feel that way maybe we can try again.”  And that day that boy broke the spoken curses over his life.  Many people struggle Sid with spoken curses over their lives from their own parents and from their brothers and sisters or siblings; from other people, from teachers in schools and from colleagues at work.  They struggle under those curses in their lives.  That boy broke it that day, he finished high school with all A’s and B’s, was invited to enter pilots school and trained and became a jet pilot and began to fly cargo jets around the world.  That’s the boy that the teachers and the parents were saying were saying, “He would never make anything out of himself.”  And the power of the blessing is what God used to reverse that boys life, just like God used the power of the blessing to change those enslaved Israelites into a great nation.

Sid: Now I want you to point out, because we talking before we went on the air there is so much you cover in your course, but tell me about the value of the spoken blessing in scripture.  Let’s go all the way back to Adam and Eve.

Bill: Well, when God first created Adam and Eve as recorded in Genesis 1:27 & 28.  The first thing that God did for Adam and Eve was to speak a blessing over them.  And this is the blessing He spoke.  He said that, he blessed them and said, the scripture says He blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth.”  Now one of the great Hebrew scholars, a German theologian by the name of Dr. Clause Vestryman says in one of his writings that he finds in the Hebrew that at that point God released on Adam and Eve the power of procreation.  And when my wife and I saw that we began to bless husbands and wives who were barren and hadn’t been able to bear children.

Sid: Now I know about your Son and Daughter –in-law, they were in that situation, they couldn’t have children.  What happened to them?

Bill: They have five today.

Sid: I know that.

Bill: Five children, which are my precious grandchildren of course and God did that for us.  We have for instance about two hundred grandchildren around the nation who God gave to these barren couples because of the blessing being spoken over their lives.  And I could go on and tell you exactly…

Sid: I have a better idea; there are some people listening right now and their saying, “Bring it on Pastor Bill, pray that blessing over me.”  Now there are some others that are saying, don’t you dare pray that blessing over me.  Would you pray right now for barren woman that want to have children?

Bill: If you are a barren wife right now and you want to have children I encourage you right now to put one hand toward your radio and the other hand on your stomach.  Now, if you are driving just put a hand on your stomach and you receive it right now.  And so “May the Lord Himself now, bless you and release upon you the power of procreation, may you be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and may the Lord break now the curse of barrenness over your body in the name of Yeshua, Jesus our Messiah, Amen.”

Sid: You know there is something about speaking the blessing of God and even revealing it that is releasing a presence of God in this studio over that prayer.  But I believe that we’ve just hit something where it’s not just barrenness it’s anything based on the promises of God.  I mean you’re seeing, in fact on tomorrow’s broadcast I want you to tell me about how it plays out in your home.  How it works with your two sons, how it works in your marriage.  Because we have marriages that are in trouble in the United States of America and throughout the world and I believe the revelation that you have obtained literally through prayer and through study over tall these years are going to transform people.  When you teach your seminar in person and of course we have the four CDs, what kind of feedback are you getting from people that go through your book or listen to your seminars?

Bill: When they apply the principals, when they study these principals, they get the materials and study it and apply these principals to their lives we see tremendous results.  We have testimony after testimony of peoples whose lives have changed because they have began to release the spoken blessing over one another.

Sid: I believe it’s going to revolutionize your marriage; it’s going to revolutionize your children; I believe that it’s going to revolutionize your business; your health, your relationships.  And I believe I told Pastor Bill this, but many years ago when I was exposed to this teaching my father who comes from an Orthodox Jewish background and did not know the Messiah, of course, I asked him to bless me.  And do you know what he did Pastor Bill, he put his hands on me and he prayed the Aaronic Blessings.  On my Father’s death bed he received the Lord and He’s in heaven today… oops were out of time.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Rabbi Jonathan Cahn. We’re finding out the most fascinating, Jonathan, God has really gifted you with a gift of revelation. But when I think about you, you have a prophetic edge to the scriptures. Have you been like this for a long time?

JONATHAN: I guess I have. I don’t know. I can’t say these things happened. God just led me. It was one thing after the other.

SID: Okay. Isaiah, Chapter 9, Verse 10 lists nine harbingers, warnings, progressive warnings from God, and He’s saying, “Stop. Come to your sense. I want to bless you. You started on the foundation of my love and my calling,” He says to Israel. And He says that to the United States of America, too. “I do not want to destroy you.” But I want to understand the vows. This is so phenomenal. Explain this.

JONATHAN: Okay. Everything goes according to Isaiah 9:10, the key of a nation’s judgment. And so now in America, here’s what happened in ancient Israel. This harbinger now is the vow itself, and that is the actual proclaiming or speaking of the vow of defiance, Isaiah 9:10. So here’s the thing. Who would have said it? The leaders have to have said it because it wouldn’t be significant if it wasn’t the leaders. It represents the nation. It represents we are not going to turn back to you, God. We’re going to rebuild. We’re going to come back stronger than ever, Isaiah 9:10. So what has to happen for this harbinger to manifest now in America is that a leader, a national leader, has to say the vow, has to actually utter the ancient vow. It has to happen in the capitol city. That’s where they would have said it ancient Israel, in the capitol city, and it has to be done publicly. So could this have happened? The problem is what national leader is going to want to pronounce judgment on America? And no one would intentionally. But here’s what happened amazingly. On the third anniversary of 9/11, this is September 11, 2004, in the capitol city, Washington, before at a public setting, the vice presidential candidate for the office, the Democratic ticket, he rises up.

SID: This is John Edwards?

JONATHAN: This is John Edwards. He rises up and he begins a speech. He’s supposed to be talking about 9/11 and it seems to be inspiring. And this is what he says: “Today on this day of remembrance and warning we have the Lord’s word to get us through.” Then he says it. “The bricks have fallen, but we will rebuild with dress stones. The sycamores have been cut down, but we will put cedars in their place.” He actually gives the vow of judgment on a nation. He doesn’t know what he’s doing. But he’s actually pronouncing.

SID: So it’s like a replay of what happened in ancient Israel is happening in the United States.

JONATHAN: Exactly. Out of 30,000 scriptures to choose from for inspiring, you don’t choose this one. In fact, people don’t even know this one. He says it, this is the vow that pronounces judgment, and it’s identifying America as the nation under judgment turning away from God. And he doesn’t only do that. He builds his whole speech around this. He goes on to say, “We are putting cedars up. We are putting up the stones and those cedars shall rise.” He goes on and on.

The whole speech is Isaiah 9:10, and he has no idea. He’s speaking figuratively. He has no idea. Actually, there was a tree, the sycamore. There actually was. All these things happened and he has no idea.

SID: He’s being a prophet and doesn’t realize it, but it’s a prophet of judgment. What I find interesting is shortly thereafter, he fell into disgrace. Now there was a second vow.

JONATHAN: Yes. Now the other harbinger, the vow is also a prophecy. It’s spoken before these things happen. It says, “We will do this.” So Israel says it before it would happen. It also becomes a matter of national record through Isaiah. It becomes part of Isaiah. So for this to happen – same thing? It’s going to be the leader, capitol city, but spoken before these things happen. In other words, right after the event, and it becomes a matter of national record. It speaks prophetically. So could this have happen? Amazing! On the day after 9/11, the very day, that morning, America has to give its response to the world. So this is really significant, prophetically. America has to; this is the response of America to this judgment or this calamity. So what happens? The man appointed to do this is the Senate Majority Leader, the head of the Senate. The senate represents the nation and he is Tom Daschle. He has to come up. He’s the man appointed. He gives the thing, and he gives a speech, and here’s what happens: bizarre, ominous, eerie and profound. At the end of the speech, he closes with this pinnacle. He says, “I know there’s only the smallest measure of inspiration that can be taken from this devastation, but I think there is a passage in the Bible from Isaiah that I think speaks to all of us at times.”

SID: Of all the scriptures, he picks that one.

JONATHAN: Amazing. And he says it from Capitol Hill, from the floor of the Senate, national record. “The bricks have fallen, but we will rebuild with dress stones. Victories have befell, but we will replace them with cedars.” And then he goes on. The very day after, pronouncing judgment; linking it all together to ancient Israel. Then he goes on to say, it’s not just Israel. It’s our vow now. He says, “That is what we, America, will do.” In other words, this is going to be American policy. “We will rebuild. We will recover.” He is speaking prophetically. He has no idea that there actually is a tree, that day that was just found. He has no idea that years later, all these things he says are actually going to happen at Ground Zero. He’s predicting that America, he’s prophesying that America is going to go the course of defiance as ancient Israel. He’s setting a course without realizing it.

SID: So John Edwards does this. He shortly falls, almost a prophetic sign. Tom Daschle then fell into disgrace when he was asked to be part of the cabinet, if you remember. But here’s the amazing thing to me. President Barak Obama knows nothing about any of this. But President Barak Obama is also involved in this vow of national defiance. Jonathan, you told me that there is even a key, a mystery, if you will, to the economic judgment that will hit America as part of the progressive judgments that are occurring.

JONATHAN: The harbingers, this is not the end. This is the beginning because the harbingers are going to touch everything. They’re going to touch the American economy. They’re going to touch the world economy. They’re going to actually determine the exact days when these calamities are going to happen. Amazing! In fact, it is already touching everyone listening. And every American and their bank account and everything else is in an ancient mystery.

SID: Next week, you will understand a key from the Bible that gives an understanding of why the shaking, financially, is occurring in America. Very few people understand this. It takes someone with a Jewish background that understands the ancient prophets. What happened in Israel is happening in the United States of America right now. And I am concerned about you. Do you have religion with defiance? What do I mean by defiance? Without repentance. What do I mean by repentance? Meaning turning from your sin and start to serve God. It’s time to repent and get right to God. You know why? You don’t know when your end is going to come. That’s why.

Sid: My guest is Red Hot for the Messiah, his name is Don Heist and I have his wife Sue here by way of telephone.  And Don has been a guest on Messianic Vision and it’s Supernatural because he has an amazing gift and an amazing musical instrument.  It’s called the shofar.  Don for those that aren’t familiar with the shofar, what is it?

Don: Oh, a shofar is made out of the Kudos Antelope horns and it’s actually the first instrument mentioned in the Bible in the book of Genesis, where Abraham and Isaac are up on Mount Moriah and God provides the ram as a sacrifice in place of Isaac.  And that’s where we get the beginning of the ram’s horn or the shofar and then it’s used throughout the scriptures far after that.

Sid: Now is it so supernatural?

Don: Well, it’s the voice of God.  I believe that it’s truly the voice of God and as God sounded it himself on Mount Sinai he declared His own holy presence and it’s going to be the sound that we’re going to hear at the great final shofar blast that God Himself will sound when we are all taken home.

Sid: Well, let me tell you something that the ancient Rabbi’s believed that when the shofar was blown all of the words of all of the Jewish prophets came into the atmosphere once.  Do you know what that mean?  All the promises of God came into the atmosphere and I happened to believe when someone that is a born again believer blows that shofar, all of the promises of the New Covenant come into the atmosphere.  What type of healings, just real briefly are you seeing when you blow the shofar?

Don: We are seeing an amazing amount of healings that God is using His voice through the shofar and prayer to heal people of blindness, opening deaf ears; we’ve seen a number of cases where cancer has been completely removed from the body of the person we have been praying with.  And God just uses this, I believe it uses His voice to penetrate through the body, it changes the molecular structure of the person and in the room as well and by that a Voice of God they are healed.

Sid: Speaking about changing the molecular structure in the room, you have a CD called “Take Me In” and I’ve never heard of another one like this.  We have CD’s with people blowing the shofar, but you actually you become like a musician with a worship team and I have to ask you this, question.  I heard you blow the shofar, I have heard many people blow the shofar, but you really blow it like a musical instrument.  Has anyone ever told you that your sound is almost, it’s different than most?

Don: Well, I’ve been told by many church leadership people that they feel that the sound is much different and I can’t take any credit for that except that the Lord has been gracious to me and gifted me with this.

Sid: Well, I’m reminded about what my good friend Paul Wilbur says about you, he says, and I’m going to quote him exactly “Many blow the shofar, but Don sounds the instrument for God.”  Now I want to ask you, what do you believe Paul means by saying that about you?

Don: Well, it’s just like in any instrument of prayer, it’s with the anointing or without, and I think that there is a price that needs to be paid to gain that anointing and there’s a heart issue at stake that if your heart has made Jesus the Lord of your life, then God will find or create opportunities for you to serve Him through ministry.  Fortunately for me I have been blessed that this is one of the things in shofar that God has been using to heal people and change the sound.  Now I play the instrument, I try to think of it as playing the shofar rather than blowing it, to me you blow a New Years Eve horn.  But I play it as a musical instrument and I actually have six of them that I’ve had custom made that are tuned to six different pitches and so whatever worship team I’m worshipping with at that moment or that day I switch horns to the key that they’re playing in.  It’s much more pretty to the ear and easy to hear, but I think it also clarifies and focuses God’s voice into the worship even more so.  And I try to never use printed music because I just like to close my eyes and let the Holy Spirit take me away and I just play as led and I’ve been very blessed that many major worship leaders have granted me as one has said of me, “Take your liberty, you just do what the Holy Spirit tells you to do.”

Sid: Well, let me tell you something, I want to do with the CD, I haven’t done it yet, but when I travel and if I have someone with me that blows the shofar, when you go into a hotel room, you don’t know what has transpired you know, the days and hours and weeks previous in that room so obviously I pray.  But if I have someone that can blow the shofar, I ask them to come into my hotel room and blow the shofar and it sanctifies the hotel room, but I have a better idea now, you get an iPod and an I pad or something that plays the CD and what if you start playing that shofar the minute you get in your room, you CD “Take me In.” what do you believe is going to happen to the atmosphere of that room when someone goes to sleep?

Don: Well, because it’s the voice of God and not just a case of a human being sounded an instrument, because it’s the voice of God the shofar is the only instrument that will confuse the enemy to the point that he flees.

Sid: That’s what the ancient rabbis say, “It says that the so far drives the devil crazy.  Let’s hear one of your selections “Come Let’s Go Up to the Mountain” and one of the instruments is the shofar.

Don Heist’s selection: “Come Let’s Go Up to the Mountain” 7:19 – 11:00

Sid: My guest is Co Producer of Its Supernatural Television and Messianic Vision Radio, Janie DuVall, another Jewish person that is Red Hot for Jesus and we’ve been reminiscing and talking about the updated versions of my life’s story.

Janie: And if you want to the Red Hot they have to read that story because it’s not just a testimony and it’s called “There Must Be Something More.”  Oh, by the way, why did you even come up with that title, “There Must Be Something More?”

Sid: Well, I use to be a song writer and I wrote a song called, “There Must Be Something More.”

Janie: That was before you were a believer in Jesus?

Sid: Yes, and you know this Janie because you’re a creative person and you write music.  What’s you write is what’s going on inside of your heart.  And my heart was crying out, “There must be something more.  And remember the words, “There must be something more because I work, eat, sleep and that’s the way it goes, because that’s the way it goes; and I work, eat sleep and that’s the way it goes.  And it was almost like my heart was saying, “There must be something more!”  And here I have Christians walking all around me, a broker at Merrill Lynch, a lot of Christians that were my clients, no one shared Jesus with me and remember I told you about that major secular Washington DC newspaper that had me on the front page and the headline, “White Collar Jesus Freaks.”  I got a phone call from one of my clients and they said, “Sid, we’re so happy for you, that you believe in Jesus.”  And I thought to myself, “Why didn’t you tell me I almost lost my life?”

Janie: “Why didn’t you tell me?

Sid: And I have to tell you, “God is so good, every member of my immediate Jewish family believes in Jesus.”

Janie: Now how did your Mom believe in Jesus?

Sid: Well, she saw the miracles, she saw the change in my life, I shared prophecies with her and it just like never took.  But over the years, God was faithful with my prayers and one day, my mother said, “You know Sid, I don’t believe in Jesus because you pray for the sick and have miracles and because you believe in Jesus, I now believe because I believe in Jesus.”  And so, but and I know that Dad will believe in Jesus, she said, “Don’t say that.”  See she was being a Jewish mother; she was trying to protect me.  She knew my father it would be impossible for him to believe in Jesus.  So I said, “Mom, you’re wrong I know that Dad’s going to be a believer in Jesus.”  But my Father was born in Poland and raised in an Orthodox Jewish family and the worst thing, a tragedy was that his son became a outspoken believer in Jesus.

Janie: And you would try to speak to him, you would try to talk to him about proving that Jesus was the Messiah and you would even read from Isaiah 53.  What would he think?  I mean here that’s just totally talking about Jesus before he was born.

Sid: Well, that was an interesting occasion, I read Isaiah 53 to him and I read it from a non-Jewish Bible, it was the same as the Jewish Bible, it was a full Bible that an Old Testament in it and he said, “I don’t accept that, that’s a Christian Bible.  So I went to our Orthodox Jewish Rabbi and I said, “Rabbi, could you give me a Tanach that is an approved Jewish scriptures and could you inscribe something in it to me.”  And so he knew I was a believer in Jesus at that point, he couldn’t figure out why, but he figured well maybe so he inscribed something and he gives me a Tenach.  I go to my father, I read the same Isaiah 53, which I might add, reads the same way and he said, “You know something, I always thought there was something wrong with that Rabbi,” there’s something wrong with that…in other words it sounded so much like Jesus, he thought that somehow someone had tampered with that Jewish Bible because he said, “You are speaking about Jesus,” he would not believe that Jesus was the Messiah.

Janie:  “Did you get frustrated and did you want to give up?”

Sid:  “No, I can’t tell you why, but I always believed and I always said, I know my Father is going to be a believer in Jesus.”  It had to come from God, because…

Janie:  “Supernatural faith.”

Sid: Because everything I saw said, what my mother said to me, “He’ll never be a believer in Jesus” and my sister became a believer in Jesus; my Jewish-brother in-law became a believer, the whole family except my Dad, he was the hold out.  And a week before he died, a presence of God came on me, but not just came on me Janie; it was like twenty-four hours and day for an entire week.

Janie:  “When you say presence, what did you feel like?”

Sid:  “I felt like felt like I felt when I got saved, when the presence of God came into my room; it was such a wonderful feeling and I didn’t know why.”  And then I got a phone call that my Father was dying.  He was in intensive care in the Hospital and so I called my sister and we went to the hospital and the doctor said that he’s dying and he left us alone with him.  And my Father had throat problems, he couldn’t speak at this point and his body was just totally deteriorated.  And so I said, “Dad, Mom used to say; “Heaven must be a wonderful place.”  I remember my mother use to say that because of what I told her.  “Heaven must be a wonderful place; this was before she was even a believer.”

Janie: And she was in Heaven by that time.

Sid: Yes, she had died and so I said, “Dad, don’t you want to be where Mom is? Don’t you want to be where Shirley is going to be, where I’m going to be so we can be together?  Don’t you want be in Heaven?  In order to be in Heaven, you have to believe that Jesus is the Messiah; do you believe that He’s our Messiah?”  And I could barely hear it, but I heard it he said, “Yes.”  And I said, “Shirley,” he said, “Yes.”  And my sister said, “Now my sister you have to understand is a nice refined school teacher, and all of a sudden she geta aggressive.”

Janie: Did she hear it?

Sid: No, she said, “I did not hear him.”  I said, “Shirley, this is so good for Dad, I mean let’s leave this alone, I heard him, that’s good enough.  “I did not hear him, and so she said, “Dad, do you believe that Jesus died for your sins and he is our Messiah, and at that point, my Father screamed, he had no voice, but he screamed, “I Believe.”

Janie: Awe!”

Sid: And then, but, but wait, but Janie listen, “Then my sister, this nice dignified refined quiet, almost introverted school teacher starts jumping up and down, in the intensive care ward of the hospital where sheeee everyone be quiet and starts screaming and screeching at the top of her lungs, and this is what she’s screaming, “Thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus, thank you Jesus.”  And so I said, “Shirley, what are you doing?”  And she said, “I told God, that when Dad receives the Lord I’m going to jump for joy.”

Janie: No matter where she is.

Sid: No matter where I am, and so she started jumping for joy and screeching at the top of her lungs, because you have to understand Janie, there was no way, but that presence of God that came on me for that week, it was the anointing that destroyed the yoke.  It was the presence of God and that same presence of God is coming on Jewish people one more time before Jesus returns.  Why?  So the Jewish people can be saved.  Why, so that they can come into the church.  Why? So the ancient Jewish Spiritual DNA will merge with the New Covenant, Gentile Christian DNA to form what Paul calls One New Man.  Why?  John 17 gives an answer, “Jesus said, “I pray that they.”  There are only two people groups at that time, Jews and Gentiles.  “I pray that they Jews and Gentiles might be one so the world will believe.”  That’s what is at stake and then he says, “The same glory that is on me, will be on them,” so when the Jewish people get saved and come into the Church, the same Glory.

Sid: The same glory is going to be on people and it’s starting now.  There’s a new move of God’s Spirit that is coming right now.

Janie: Right, and there’s a connection because when Jewish people come to the Lord, there’s an outpouring that happens on the church of miracles, of healings, of seeking the Glory, of seeing the things that were impossible to happen, happen.

Sid: …This is the Shabbat Broadcast.

Jonathan: Well, Sid in my study of scripture, there are very clear statements; I found very clear statements prophecies made by Jesus himself as well as the prophets of old, and the Apostle Paul that are absolutely clearly connected to the last days before Jesus returns.  And for the most part they’re completely overlooked by the church.

Sid: And not only that, many people are going to find themselves out of the favor of God because they don’t understand God’s plan for the Jew, the Church, and Israel in the last days.

Jonathan: That’s right and Sid what excites me is that the teaching concerning the days right before Jesus returns are about the outpouring of the greatest favor of God than at any time that we’ve seen since history, since history began.  And Sid, we live in those days,that’s why I wrote the book.

Sid: Okay, there’s a term called the fullness of the Gentiles that if I was a non-Jewish believer I would like to know about this and what it means.  I want you to teach as you do in your book a little bit from Roman’s 11:25.

Jonathan: Okay, well let me go to another scripture first to set that up.  Jesus was explaining to his disciples almost 2,000 years ago about the events that would happen immediately before His return.  And He made this statement, “Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles.”  Now Sid, this was a time that although they were under Roman captivity, Jerusalem was the center of Jewish life.  But Jesus was prophesying that Jerusalem would actually literally disappear off the Jewish map for a season that it would be trampled down.  He said, Jerusalem would be trampled down by the Gentiles until the times of Gentiles be fulfilled.  He was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem which took place in 70 AD; the destruction of the Temple and then all the subsequent battles to take Jerusalem by other Gentile nations until a set time in history when Jerusalem would come back under the control of the Jewish people.  Who then had to cry out to Him, “Blessed is He Who Comes in the Name of the Lord.”  Now that happened in our own life time, at least the life time of most of us listening, 1967.  Israel is attacked by the surrounding Arab neighbors enemies and in six days, talk about the hand of God; in six days they defeat their Arab enemies and the seventh day they rest.  The hand of God is all over the Six Day War and the greatest single event that came out of the Six Day War was the restoration of Jerusalem after almost 2000 years back into the hands of the Jewish people.  Sid almost immediately there was an outpouring of God’s Spirit on the Church.  Young people, Hippies came into the Kingdom of God; we call it the Jesus Movement; there was an outpouring of God’s Spirit in traditional churches called the Charismatic Renewal.  And little known fact Sid, hundreds if not thousands of Jewish young people were saved in the years following 1967; not an accident, not a coincidence it was the outpouring of God’s Spirit as promised when the times of the Gentiles would be filled.  That ties in with Romans 25 which says that, “I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery Brethren.”  Who is He speaking to?  He’s speaking to the church at Rome, and he’s saying that this mystery, I don’t want you to be ignorant about.  I want you to understand it Brethren, if that was true of the Roman Church then, the gentile Church then, how much more today Sid?  He said, “The blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.”

Sid: And as you put it, for the last two thousand years there has been a blindness on the gentiles and I know you’re finding the same thing that I’m finding, that it’s when we teach gentile’s about what was really the basics of Christianity at the first church which they’ve been blind to for 2,000 years it’s like the Bible becomes brand new.

Jonathan: Absolutely and that’s what I’m finding with people who read my book and have written, emailed they said, “My eyes have been open; I’m seeing the Bible in a way I’ve never seen it before.  It’s like being born again again and it’s releasing faith.”  The word of God releases faith, faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the truth of God’s word. So Roman’s 11:25, I don’t want to be ignorant of this mystery of this Church if Paul wrote that it’s the Lord saying I don’t want you to be ignorant of this mystery.  What’s the mystery?  The mystery is not the blindness coming on the eyes of the Jewish people, that’s no mystery.  Isaiah said, “They have ears but they don’t hear, they have eyes but they don’t see.”  It’s not the mystery of the blindness Sid, you and I were raised in Jewish homes that were blinded to the Messiah.  The mystery is how and when the blindness will come off the eyes of the Jewish people.  And Paul tells that will come when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.  What does that mean, the fullness of the gentiles?  Well, number one, when you connect it with Luke 21:24 it’s the times of the Gentiles, it’s the fullness of time that God has a set period of time; just as He set a set time when the outpouring of the Holy Spirit would come on the Jews in Jerusalem, assembled in Jerusalem in the temple on Pentecost.  According to the Rabbis by the way, the same event, the same Holiday where the law was given, it’s now the outpouring of the Holy Spirit a Devine intersection between God and man Sid, being at the place at the right time.  And I don’t know about you, well I do know about you.

Sid: Ha-ha.

Jonathan: You and I want to be at the right place at the right time!  And people that are listening to this program want to be at the right place at the right time!  I’ll tell you what the right time is, now, now!

Sid: Well, if I’m understanding you right Jonathan you’re saying, “When the blindness comes off of the Gentiles or the fullness of the Gentiles comes in then they are going to be able to fulfill Roman’s 11:11; Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy and then the blindness comes off of the eyes of the Jewish people.”  It’s so simple you need help to get confused.

Jonathan: Actually you’re actually right; you jumped ahead because you know the same truth also. First of all the fullness of time connected to Jerusalem.  When Jerusalem comes back into Jewish hands “1967” it signals the set time of God, the appointed time to favor Zion is here, it began in 1967.  But secondly fullness of the Gentiles is yes, that very thing, the fullness of revelation; it’s the fullness of time number one, but number two it’s the fullness of revelation.  It’s the blindness coming off the eyes of the Gentiles that cause them to understand that the roots of their faith are Jewish; that the power of God is for today.  That healing and miracles is for today and not only for today, but it’s to be those that are listening that are to exhibit or bring forth that fullness of power and miracles and healings and then it removes the blindness of the eyes of the Jewish people.

Sid: The highest call on the face of this Earth God has granted to Gentile Christians, because they have the honor of completing the fullness of the Body of Jesus by provoking the Jewish people to jealousy.  And when this occurs it’s not that the Jew is any better than the Gentile Christian or the Gentile Christian is any better than the Jewish believer; it’s just the body is incomplete and when that body gets complete it’ll be the devil’s worse nightmare!

Jonathan: Nightmare Sid!  The thing that the devils been trying to keep happening for 2,000 years is going to happen and it means his demise! Amen.

Sid: Now the book, “A Rabbi Looks at Jesus of Nazareth,” it wouldn’t do me much good Jonathan if a traditional Rabbi looked at Jesus of Nazareth because I know their conclusions and their conclusions are based on the big Lie!  But by you looking at the scriptures I believe that what Paul is talking about in Roman’s 11 verse 25 you’re helping the blindness come off the eyes of Gentiles so they can then walk in that anointing from God to get the blindness off the eyes of Jewish people; so that the two can come together so that we can have the full dwelling place of God in the Spirit; so that we can have the greatest Gentile revival in history!  What a time to be alive!

Jonathan: Well said Sid, I believe that this is an end time equipping book, an end time equipping material that God has led me to write to equip the Gentile to fulfill their role, their destiny in bringing the gospel back the Jewish people so that together we can usher in the return of Jesus to this earth.

Sid: Jonathan, I love the quotes you have in your new book about the modern day architect of Rabbinic Judaism; the one that created the whole alternative to Biblical Judaism on his death bed, Jacque Ben Sockeye.  He said, “I see two roads before me and one is life and the other is death and I don’t know which road to take!”  It’s called what Jesus said, “If a blind man leads another blind man, won’t they both fall into a ditch?

Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, his name is John Waller.  I’m sure you’re familiar with him if you saw the movie “Fire Proof” because the theme music from that movie was a song that he wrote and the song was called “While I’m Waiting.”  And John tell me a couple of those words, a couple lines from that song.

John: I’m waiting, I’m waiting on You Lord, and I am hopeful and I’m waiting on You Lord though it is painful; and I think people understand that waiting is painful, it can be.

Sid: And you went through that pain but I’m also reminded of the pain that you went through for over twenty years.  You were on four medications because you had depression in the worst form and it came about I believe and I want you to comment on this because there were word curses, tell me about that.

John: It started with just a simple phrase he’s got it, and I heard those words spoken and I thought, “Yeah, I do and I do have it.”

Sid: And the doctor did it over you too.

John: Absolutely, in thirty minutes time, he had to have been a genius, I guess to diagnosis me that quick.

Sid: How old were you then?

John: I was twelve years old.

Sid: I mean what, given you drugs and diagnosed at twelve years old, and that was a curse, I have to believe that’s why you emphasize the blessings so much in your music.

John: Well, I you know I understood what the power of words spoken over me, I understood that because I knew after the Lord delivered me it was because of a word spoken over me, like you said, a curse.  So I began to study blessing and I had to go back to the Old Testament and see where blessing began and how Jewish Father’s would bless their children and the blessing over the son, the right hand on the head and so I began to study blessing and I began to implement this in my own life and over my children.

Sid: And your family is important to you as a matter of fact your one of the few guests I have had others but one of the few guests that when you’re coming to my television shoot you wanted to bring, not just your wife but your children too.  How young is your youngest?

John: My youngest is two years old.

Sid: Now, wouldn’t it been easier for you just to leave the two year old?  Why are you bringing them?

John: Ha ha ha.  Well, we love them and we love to be around them but sometimes it’s hard to find baby sitters too.

Sid: Okay, but tell me about the blessings; about what you understand, why is it so important?  Do you bless your children?

John: I bless them every day, every night before they go to bed.  And I bless my sons in a specific way and of course I bless them with the Aaronic Benediction, “May the Lord bless you, The Lord will bless you, the Lord will keep you and make His face shine you.”  And you know, what I understand is that, you know the Bible says life and death are in the power of the tongue and those that love it eat of its fruit.  So we can literally give life through words, we can literally take it away.  And if you don’t understand blessing you certainly understand what it’s like to have some negative words spoken over you and how deep that can cut.  Well, how much more words of God that have life and the power, the eternal power to bring life when they are spoken over someone.

Sid: And I’m told that when people listen to your music or hear how you were set free there is such a power that people that have depression, that are bipolar, and many other conditions, their literally set free.

John: Amen, absolutely and here’s why; because in Revelation it says, “They overcame by the blood of the Lamb,” the blood of the Messiah, “And by the Word of their testimony.”  It is by the power of their testimony; it’s not how elaborate it is.  It is the fact that it is my testimony, it is what happened to me and how God delivered me and when I declare that, you know there is a power that is released to do the same thing for someone.  And God is no respecter of persons; He does not love me more than He loves your audience who is listening right now.

Sid: And you were telling me on yesterday’s broadcast that just this Aaronic Benediction which you sing, and by the way, you sing and ….I’m listening to it all the time…Tell me beyond the Aaronic Benediction, give me an example how you bless your son.

John: Well, I bless my son…

Sid: Do it actually.

John: “May the Lord make you like Ephraim and Manasseh, forgetting the trouble of your past and having a fruitful future.”  And my daughters “May the Lord make you like Sarah and Rebecca, like Rachael and Leila all who established the house of Israel.  God used these women to establish the house of Israel and in other words, “May the Lord use you to establish His Kingdom here on the Earth.

Sid: Tell me a couple of specific cases of testimonies you have heard of people that have been set free from listening to your music or your testimony.

John: Well, there was a young man who he had never been blessed before, my wife and I were at a marriage retreat and I sang this blessing this “Bless Us and Keep Us” which includes all three of those blessings that we have talked about in one song, so I’m singing it over these men and he comes up to me later and says that he had a vision of God taking a huge eraser and erasing pornographic images from his mind and he was set free and delivered from pornography in that moment.  A young woman came up to me and said, “She was eighteen years old and said, “A year ago I had an abortion, and I have been hurting so bad on the inside.  And when you were singing this blessing over me I saw Jesus holding my baby and I wept and the Lord healed my heart.”

Sid: What is your heart to be accomplished through your music?  I mean at one time you wanted to be a Christian Superstar; your motivation was wrong, what’s your true motivation now?

John: I just want people to be set free the way that I am free.  You know freely we receive, freely we give and I’m only taking what I freely receive from the Lord; putting it to music the way you know, just the gift that He had given me and sending it out.  Knowing that it’s going to accomplish the same thing that it had accomplished for me; those truths set me free.

Sid: Now you were with a very substantial record company and you asked to be released from your contract, why?

John: Because when I was in that relationship I constantly found myself writing songs to try to be accepted; to try to please man.  To try to get a pat on the back or/and a lot of times you know it takes a hit radio song in the industry in order to sell records, and I felt this pressure to sell records and write hit songs.  And I’m like I can’t live like this, this is not what I’m called too and so I just knew that it wasn’t right for me and so I asked, “Would you let me out of this?”  And they agreed to let me out and there has been a freedom; I felt the freedom to go back and do what I’m called to do and let the Lord be the one that distributes my music and not depend on man.

Sid: And what do you see for your future?

John: You know, my son is fourteen years old, he’s a worship leader already doing things at fourteen that I never dreamed, I never did until I was twenty.  I see you know, passing on to the next generation my sons’ the mantle of setting people free through music; I am going to continue to do it myself.

Sid: You know, speaking of the blessing, I want you to hear John’s song “Bless Us and Keep Us.”  But I’m going to pray over you first, its Shabbat broadcast.  “The Lord will bless you, the Lord will keep you, the Lord will cause His countenance to shine upon you and be gracious to you.  The Lord will grant you His Shalom, that’s His completeness, in your spirit, in your soul and in your body.   And some people are being healed I hear in the Spirit that just move your head you’ll see that your neck is free.  And in Name of the Scar Shalom, the Prince of Peace, Yeshua Ha Mashiach, Tsidkenu, Jesus the Messiah; Our Righteousness.

Sid: I am so excited about introducing this new music by John Waller and John what you have done is you have taken the words of God and the power of God and put it to music.  What type of reports are you getting from well of course the new one is just out, but you’ve been doing these songs before you even did the CD; what reports are you getting from people that listen to your music?

John: Well, I started using my music to bless people especially in my concerts, but I studied a lot about blessing ever since I was delivered from depression.  I started learning the power of life and death are in the tongue as the Bible says and so I started putting blessings from the Old Testament to music and one in particular was the song called “Bless Us and Keep Us,” and it’s on the new album.  But, when I would sing this over people there also the blessing of Ephraim and Manasseh that would sing over the men; there’s a blessing of Sarah and Rebecca and Rachael and Leila that I would sing over the woman.  And one case, this young man came up to me and said, “I want you to know that when you were singing this blessing,” and he said that he had never been blessed by his father in his life, never been blessed with any of this.  He said “I saw a vision of God and He took and eraser and he erased every pornographic image that was in my mind, He set me free from an addiction of pornography when you blessed me.”  And then another girl came up to me and said, “I had an abortion a year ago,” she was eighteen years old, she said, “That when you were singing this blessing over me, I literally saw Jesus and He was holding my baby and He told me that my baby was okay and he healed my heart” and it was amazing.

Sid: Now on yesterday’s broadcast we found out that you got set free from twenty years of serious, serious depression and you have been free now for seven years; and when people hear your testimony they get free.  When people sit under your music there is a deliverance anointing that is on it which makes you wherever you are in a demon free zone because of the anointing it destroys the yoke.  So you moved to Colorado, you gave up your dreams for being a recording artist and you, but you got free; you got free from your depression and then in 2005 your music was resurrected.  Tell me about that.

John: Well, we had just had our third child and after I moved to Colorado, you know I really left the dream behind.   I let the dream die and you know even though the Lord had healed me from depression and there was a joy to be free from depression, there was yet a grieving process I went through for about a year about giving up the dream of music because I literally gave it up.  And so a year later the Lord spoke to me so clearly and He said, “It’s time, the time mourning is over it is time, you’ve grieved the death of our dream now I’m giving you a new dream and He goes get your pen, get your paper, I am going to give you songs.”  And I began to, I began writing songs and they came like a flood and I wrote song after song.  And I began to teach my congregation at the church these new songs of declaration and it was amazing and there was a prophecy that prophesied over me, “That year that the Lord was going to give me songs of deliverance.”

Sid: And then your pastor said, “No, this is too good we got to let the world know about this.”  And they took up an offering, a $40,000 and you did your music and you’re ready for the prophecies to come to pass and nothing’s happening.  I believe and I’m sure that’s when you wrote the theme song from “Fire Proof” while I’m waiting.

John: So the Lord gives me the song, He gives me the funds to this recording; He gives us a vision to send it around the world and like you said, “Nothing.”  For six months it was completely quiet, no sign that anything was going to happen whatsoever and I was in the pain of waiting on God.  And a friend of mine happened to encourage me to keep being faithful even when I see no results.  He said, “Use your gift no matter what God does you keep being faithful and you should write a song about that; you should write a song about being faithful where you are and what you have even while you are waiting on God.”  And so I hung up the phone and I didn’t want to do it, I fought it with everything I could, but I finally said, “You know what, all I know how to do is keep doing what God’s calling me to do,” and I wrote the song, “While I’m Waiting,” in ten minutes.”

Sid: I love this song, the reason he wrote it in ten minutes it was downloaded from Heaven.

John: That’s right.

Sid: Let’s hear it “While I’m Waiting.”  Worship Excerpt.

Sid: That was “While I’m Waiting,” if you saw the movie “Fire Proof” you know that song.  How did that come to being John, because you were really waiting?

John: I was and I understand that waiting can be painful, but I’m telling you Sid, a month after I wrote that song I got a call that changed my life; I got an offer to fly to Nashville I got a record deal.  Everything I had dreamed of you know for seventeen years, God gave back to me.  And I put that first album out and that album was my first national release after seventeen years of dreaming about it and yet the radio, I mean the radio stations I had a hard time getting played on the radio.  And that’s kind of the main outlet for Christian music and I was struggling with the Lord, “How are You going to get my music out if the radio stations won’t play my music?”  And so I get a call one day from a guy named Alex Kendrick, who is the director of movies like Facing the Giants and now Fire Proof and he said your song was perfect in this movie, and they were screening the movie around the country and I knew that they were making a new movie and I didn’t know what song he was talking about, so I called him back and he said, “Your song Will I’m Waiting is an absolute perfect fit for this movie.”

Sid: You know that was used in a different context in the movie, but I think it’s fascinating to find out how you wrote it and they’re people listening to us right now and you’re waiting.  You’re waiting on God for your promises of your future, of your future spouse, of your marriage, of your health; you’re waiting for a particular physical condition.  And I’m going to tell you something, show yourself faithful because God is about ready to grant your prayer.  Don’t give up, never give up.

Jody: It is absolutely the root of what I would say, probably anywhere from 80 to 95% of the diseases Sid.  Because when fear goes out from our emotions from our brain, there’s actually a signal that’s sent into every cell of the body.  And after years of doing life blood cell analysis, one of the things you could see is when fear is present it freezes.  Fear and depression both actually freeze the white blood cells so they can’t defend you.

Sid: Now, when you look through this sort of microscope it you will, can you really see this in the blood?

Jody: I can, as a matter of fact when I see that I know one of two things.  Somebody has either been eating a lot of sugar, cause sugar will have the same impact on the human blood cells or their full of depression and fear.  Depression and fear go hand and hand, depression is actually when somebody is just shut off and so fear will affect major glands organs of the body.  There’s a frequency to fear and it is set off into every cell of the human body.

Sid: And so we’ve packaged together these two very special CDs, one is called “Fear Not,” the other is scriptures on healing called, “The Lord is My Healer.”  I mean, and as far as I’m concerned, just listening to this the music of Alyosha is so anointed.  And there’s something about Hebrew, but we’ll get into the Hebrew part in a little bit.  Alyosha.

Alyosha: Yes.

Sid: The world was made out of sound, now I can see why you would want to study sound being a musician, but tells us what you found out about vibrations and why God makes such a big deal out of the spoken word.

Alyosha: Well, let me referred to a few verses first of all.  In 1^st John chapter 1 it says that “God is light and in Him there is no darkness,” so that is actually a definition of God.  God is light, now physically it is proven that light and music is the same reality, just operates on different frequencies.  So me being a musician I said, “Well, music has some relationship to God.”  You know if God is light then God is music, I feel it’s something He created, it’s is part of who he is.  There is another definition of God; God is love, so it’s so interchangeable.   Now the other verse that intrigued me and that’s when I began to read the scripture in Hebrew and I like to study the word and I go into the roots.  But in Genesis Chapter 1:1, “After God created the Heavens and the Earth was without form and it was darkness, the darkness was in the face of the deep and it says the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.”  Now that Hebrew word, hovering when you take it down to the root level, because on a normal level it means to like brood, to glide, to fly, but on the root level it means to shake and vibrate.  And that’s amazing, because I believe that first you have this darkness problem, chaos and the Lord is applying you know, He is fixing the problem by the work of the Holy Spirit and creating these vibrations right before He begins to speak, “Let there be light.”  And in Hebrew when He spoke “Let there be light it sounds like this, “yi-he or.” That hey sound is a breathe, so he let the breathe out again in the Spirit.  So by the work of the Spirit I believe everything, you know that we have, the matter it all vibrates at the basic level.  And are what I call high frequencies and low frequencies, every physicist knows that you know because in verses later God began to divide the waters with expanse and there was waters above and waters underneath.  So there’s a high realm and there’s a low realm and there is an interesting law that the high frequencies will overtake the low frequencies every time you bring light into the darkness the darkness disappears.  So what we found out that any time we bring to bring the high frequencies into whatever the problem is, whether sickness, disease, depression, hopelessness and God Himself is the highest frequency.  He is light, He is music, He is love, it begins to overtake the low frequencies and we start seeing healing on every level on physical, spiritual; emotional absolute exciting.

Sid: Jody what about Hebrew, you found some amazing things out about the Hebrew language that we don’t find in modern languages.

Jody: That’s right we began to hear about the research work of a scientist in Sweden by the name of Hans Jenny and Hans Jenny was doing research with sound, and he actually began to use different languages put through an instrument called a tonescope.  And when he actually funneled in the sound of different you know spoken words through the tonescope there were only two languages that had an impact on matter; and one of the languages is no longer used today as spoken language, but the other one is and that is Hebrew.  And what they found was that when Hebrew was spoken that actually the vowel points within each would actually be formed in sand which was the medium he was using to do the experiment with.  And those vowel points with actually be written in the sand; actually impressed into the sand molecules or even metal shadings; and it was amazing because it was the only language today that I believe carries frequencies that impact matter.

Sid: So if I’m understanding you right these frequencies which are like vibrations were able to shift the sand and form the Hebrew letters themselves?

Jody: That’s according to everything we’re seeing and researching online about his research and you know he was studying way back several decades ago and so many people are digging this up and making some applications to this.  But for us as Jewish people who love our homeland, Israel, we love the native language of Hebrew; it’s so deep and so profound and so vast; you know every Hebrew word has so many meanings.  For us this had a profound impact on our hearts to know this!

Sid: Well, here’s what I’m getting out of what both of you are saying, that as someone listens to say the “Fear Not” or the “The Lord Is My Healer” and it’s in English and the Hebrew.  When they’re listening to the Hebrew which is this very high level vibration the words are literally changing them from the inside out.  That’s what I’m hearing you say.

Jody: That’s exactly what we’re believing and we’ve seen this.  And we had heard reports back from people listening and they say that they can experience the presence of the Lord even though what the words are saying because they don’t understand Hebrew they’re still experiencing a sense of the very presence of God coming through the voice and the words.  It’s actually scripture, not actually words but scriptural reading in the Hebrew.  I’ll say one more thing about this and this is just absolutely profound that when some people listen to it they actually hear God speaking to them prophetically.

Sid: Well, let’s listen to it right now from the CD “Fear Not.” (Worship excerpt)

Delores: Well, I always said to him, “Mother won’t live to see you grow up” or something would happen and I would say “We need to appreciate this because I won’t be here for something else.”  And so we thought we had him quite prepared and we got home from the hospital and we made all the funeral arrangements and everything and I had a couple pieces of jewelry that I wanted different ones to have and some things.  So we had everything separated and ready to die.  And this night I was probably home two days and I heard Chris crying after we went to bed.  And I said to Bill, get me up and take me over to him, and so Bill got me up and put my body cast on me and took me the on neck brace and took me over.  And Chris said to me, “Mother, you are dying aren’t you?”  And I said, “Honey, you always knew that I would not live to see you grow up, but God has given us this many years.”

Sid: About how old was Chris at that time?

Delores: He just turned fourteen and I said, “That was a lot of years that we didn’t think we would have but we had many more years.”  And it didn’t stop him from crying, I said, “Honey, can’t you be happy for me, look at me and I said I won’t wear any of this anymore and I’ll be able to walk and I’ll be able to talk again and I’ll be with Jesus.  Can’t you be happy for me?”  He said, “Momma I can be happy for you but what about me?”  And all of a sudden I had just the strongest impulse that something is wrong, this isn’t right.  And I said to the Lord, “I will not come home until you show me how you’ll take care of him.”  And immediately I thought, “I can’t talk to God this way, I can’t keep myself alive, what am I doing?  And again, “I don’t care Lord, I mean it, I will not die until you show me how You’ll take care of Chris.”  Because I knew right at that moment that he was so emotionally destroyed he could never be put back together again by a physiatrist or anyone else.

Sid: Now you had someone that assisted during the day and she had a mother that came one day to visit you and there was a very strange set of circumstances where she wanted to turn on the television; tell me about that.

Delores: I went to church by television and I had the television on, but she came in, had never come to see me before because her daughter said to her, “Don’t bother her.”  And she was a little difficult woman, but she had came in and my television program had just finished and she walked over and turned the station.  And I saw this red headed woman coming out on the stage saying, “I believe in miracles.”  And I looked at her, now I had never even though I grew up in Pennsylvania, knew about Kathryn Kulman, I had never even seen a picture of her before.  And I said to Velma, “Who is that?”  And she said, “That’s Kathryn Kulman” and I said, “Turn that off.”  She said, “Don’t you watch her?”  I said, “No, turn it off.” But in the mean time I was crying out to God to have an answer for Chris; I had to know how He would take care of him.  And finally she turned it off, but she said to me, “What if you’re keeping the door closed to God?”  And I said to her, “By not watching Kathryn Kulman, that’s ridiculous.”  But she left, but the thought didn’t and finally I said, “Lord if I need to watch that woman you’re going to have to keep me alive until she’s on; I don’t know when she’s on, you’re going to have to let me know that and I will watch her.”  Well, instead of that Velma had an old aunt living in Dallas and she called Velma and told Velma that Kathryn Kulman was going to be in Dallas and she had a ticket and she thought it belonged to me.  And so Velma called me and said, “Would you go hear Kathryn Kulman?”  And I said, “Where?”  And she told me in Dallas and suddenly I knew I was going to get my answer for Chris.

Sid: So, you weren’t going to get healed, you just wanted to know what would happen – how Chris would be taken care of once you died.

Delores: How the Lord would take care of him.  Because I trusted the Lord, even then then I would be very ill and I would say, Lord, and I didn’t have anyone staying with me, I would say “Send somebody for the day.”  Or I would have so much pain before they did the cordotomies that would say, Lord “Let me sleep today.”  And another surgery and I would say, “Lord, please bring me through this surgery; Chris isn’t ready for me to die yet.” And he did it.  The Lord would do it, and so I had a great trust in Him.  And so any way I had to call Bill in and say, “I need to go to Dallas to this meeting.  And he said, “How are we going to get you there?” and I said, “I have no idea, but I need to be there, God’s going to show me how He’ll take care of Chris.”  And the woman who took care of me said, “I’ll take you.”  And Bill finally said, “Alright.”  And so she, they got me ready that day and it was a couple days later and as they were getting me ready, Chris had not seen me leave accept to go to the hospital for a long time and he came in and said, “Mother, where are you going?”  And I said, “Honey, I’ve got to go hear a woman preacher.”  He said, “Why, you must like her.”  Because he couldn’t image me leaving, and I said, no, I do not, and that was so unusual for me to say that, but it just came out.  And he said, “Why don’t you like her?”  I said, “Honey, she is a woman that I knew about Pennsylvania who says she heals people and that isn’t true, but I have to go because God is going to show me how to take care of you, if I will go.”  And he stood there for a minute and he said, “Mother, you’re going to be healed.”  They laid me back down, gave me another shot.

Sid: Now, how did you react to him saying that?

Delores: Well, as soon as they got me back to bed, I said, “Chris, come here and he came over and I said, “Honey, I want you to know that doesn’t happen anymore, and I’m not coming home any different than I’m leaving, but I will know something for you, do you understand that?”  And he said, “Yes ma’am,” and so they got me in the car, but he pushed the screen door open and yelled,” But you will be healed!”  And I started crying and I said to Dale, “Take me back in the house I can’t go with him thinking that something is going to happen to me.”  And she said, “Wait a minute, do you really know God’s going to show you how He’ll take care of Chris?”  And I said, “Yes,” and she said, “Then let’s go find that out anyway.”  And so we went and then when she got me over there she couldn’t get me out of the car and she was closing the door to bring me back home.  And a man stepped up and he said, “Here, let me help.”  And he picked and carried me in and we waiting for Dale to come in and they took me in to a seat.  And I was sitting on the aisle, they got water for me to take more medicine, they were wonderful, and the place was packed full.  But when Kathryn Kulman came out on stage, I took one look at her and I said, “Dear God, what am I doing here?”  I can’t even stand to look at her, and I heard almost an audible voice say, “You don’t need to look at her, just listen.”  And she started talking and by this time I close my eyes and I was just sitting there with my head in my hands, I had a horrible head ache.  And she said, “Tonight, I’m going to introduce you to the Holy Spirit.”  And I thought I know the Holy Spirit, it’s the Spirit of God and her next remark was if you call Him it, you don’t know Him.  And suddenly it was as though something came on me and I was alert and I still had my eyes closed, and I saw a Kodak slide picture of Chris and a man on our front porch.  And the man turned and looked at me and said, “Tell Chris that he need never walk in the house alone.  Tell him to picture Jesus and reach down and take my hand and I’ll walk in with him, but my name is Holy Spirit.”  And the peace of God fell on me and I was ready to go home, I had my answer.

Sid: You know Delores, I hate to do this to our Mishpochah, but will have to stop right here, but the peace of the Holy Spirit is on everything we’re saying right now, I expect miracles to break out before the end of this week.

Sid: And you know the thought is crossing my mind just as I give that introduction of times that I have spent entire week in the glory, the manifest presence the strong manifest presence of God and it’s the most; I remember one week it was twenty-four hours a day for seven days and then it was like the most impossible situation in the natural I knew in my life was reversed.  My Orthodox Jewish Father, on his death bed vowing never to believe in Jesus just so ashamed that his son was an outspoken believer in Jesus with his own mouth, I heard him say, “I receive Yeshua, as my Messiah and Lord.”  It was only the manifest presence of God that would do that, and my friend David Herzog has been walking in the glory now for many years.  And David, “Do you believe that every born again believer can walk in the glory of God?”

David: Yeah, not only do I believe it, I think it’s our destiny, He wants us all to have the highest level in God that we can have.

Sid: And on yesterday’s broadcast I said to you, “What is the difference between the anointing and the glory of God?”  And I would like you to define each and tell me the difference between the two.

David: The anointing is like I said yesterday, I started saying it’s like a battery pack and a lap top computer.  You pray in tongues and you charge it up and then you go off and minister.  And then after you minister for awhile you feel kind of dry, you feel like wow, virtue has left me I need to fill back up.  And that’s normal, because your anointed to do the works of the ministry, when you work you get tired; that’s like Acts Chapter 2.  And then there’s another level where the glory of God comes and you’re not just pulling it from just within you like a lap top computer you’re draining the battery you’re pulling it from the open Heaven around you.  And so like Peter’s shadow, healing the sick, it’s a whole different realm.  And I notice now when I minister it used to be one Sunday morning I would minister, prepare all week and I would be wiped out the next day or two.  Now I can go every night and I’m actually up there for four hours in the glory and when I get back at the end of the meeting I can’t sleep for the next couple of hours because my body is recharged, the anointing is recharged.  I could actually go to the restaurant afterward and lead the waitress to the Lord or go hit the streets or so it’s a good problem.  You come back at midnight and your still charged up you can’t sleep for the next couple of hours.

Sid: So when we read in the Jewish scriptures about Solomon’s Temple and the glory being so manifest that people couldn’t stand would you define it as the tangible presence of the atmosphere of the Living God?

David: Tangible and manifest presence of the Living God; it’s all around you, you can sense it, you can feel it.  Even atheist’s know something’s up, something’s happening in the atmosphere is different and the people fall, yeah, they fall because they can’t stand up.  I always tell people, they say, “Why did you fall?”  I say it’s really deep but, “They can’t stand up, why people laugh?”  I say “It’s really deep you have to be a PHD to understand this, but to break it down in layman’s terms, they are really happy.”

Sid: Now why do you see more miracles, more signs and wonders, more salvations when you minister in the glory than when say you use to minister in the anointing or proclaiming the Word?

David: Sure, well I found a secret, in the Word of God it says “All have sinned and come short of the glory in Romans, they’ve lost the glory.  So it says, every human on the earth has lost the glory.  You say, “How could that be if they have never known the Lord?”  Well that’s another whole teaching, but when the glory comes back, if every sinner on the earth has lost the glory somewhere, maybe there spirit man knew the glory at one time; God breathed into every body’s spirit and that spirit and that spirit part of everybody knows and is on a continual search for the glory.  When that glory comes back in unsaved people will go, “Oh, this is what I’ve been looking for!”  It’s amazing and I’ve always wondered how do they know that’s what they have been looking for?” Well, they say, “Now, I’m home.”  How did they know “I’m home?”  Well, deep down inside every human has a spirit that God put in there, that spirit part of human’s God’s put it there comes from God so that part of everybody has in their DNA knows that there’s a glory somewhere and when that glory comes in sinners come in.  If all have sinned and lost the glory then when the glory comes back, sinners come back.

Sid: Tell me, what I notice you do is you proclaim particular promises, it might be healing, it might be finances, it might be salvation, and when you proclaim that in the glory it happens.

David: Yeah, it starts to happen, yeah it says decree a thing and it will be established or created.  So when you decree something not just confess it to happen like I confess that I’m going to be healed, I’m believing for, you are commanding it into the existence.  I decree declare that this is happening now.  It’s a different level, it’s a now realm, the glory is a now realm.  I would say on earth as it is in Heaven.  If you had a cancer come out of your belly and you walked into Heaven right now, how long would it take for it to go?  It would be instant because of the glory.  So it’s on earth as it’s in Heaven, and everything in Heaven is in now realm it is there.

Sid: And I’m reminded of Roman’s 11:11, “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.  David when you talk about being surrounded with the manifest presence of God, waking up in the morning with the manifest presence of God, going to bed at night with the manifest presence of God you could give someone a $1,000,000 that wouldn’t provoke someone to so much jealousy as the manifest presence of God.

David: Yeah, yeah it’s the greatest thing, it’s like people say oh when I go to Heaven, then I will be happy.  But I tell them, “You can Heaven now, you can live in that presence right now.”  And the Jewish people, they long and hunger for the presence of God for it is in their DNA, they had it in the old days.  They had it in the time of Moses; they had it in the time of Solomon so in their DNA they know that there is a glory and that’s why so many Jewish people are actually looking for in other, you know in New Age and Buddhism and Kabala.  There looking for it not in traditional ways because they know that there has got to be the supernatural, they are looking, there hungry, they know that there has got to be more than just words.

Sid: Now, you were talking about the New Age, I with you and Sedona, Arizona where you live and that is a real New Age center. How do you do with New Age people in witnessing to them because they’ve seen certain levels of power?

David: What I do with them is I don’t put them down, because that doesn’t help anybody if you go to anybody and say just put them down.  I just make them hungry for it I just say, “Well, you might have some power, but I have the highest power source.  Would you like to have the highest power source?”  So right away your saying I know that you’re experiencing something but there is the highest power source and they get real interested.  And you know the joke in our town is that there is more channels than TV sets.

Sid: Ha ha ha.

David: Everybody is channeling something you know, but yeah the people are hungry when you operate it in the supernatural in Sedona they get very hungry and they can feel the presence of God.  They’ll call it Karma or they’ll say you have good energy, but they know when you’re moving in the presence of God the power of God the people here they know it and there sensitive to it and they respect it.  And so to minister to New Age people you have to be moving in it not just the miracles and the healings but the presence of God too.

Sid: Now I understand how important this is when you are ministering to people to be able to minister in the glory, but how does this play out in your day to day life with your family, when you’re at home?  How does the glory play out that way?

David: Oh yeah, basically in the home we have kids and my wife and I, all of us are worshippers so worship is a huge thing.  So everyday all of us we worship the Lord, praise and worship and when that happens the rest of the day just seems to flow.  There is a presence of God in the kitchen there is a presence of God, she cooks in the glory, I work in the glory, kids try to do home school in the glory.  So as a family we travel together a lot, we pray together a lot, it’s just…

Sid: You even named one of your daughters glory!

David: Yes, she was prophesied, my wife had a prophecy and the Lord had spoken to her before that prophecy that she would be a sign and wonder and God told her to name her “Glory” so her name is Shannon Glory.  In the hospital she was born in France, in Normandy and she comes out, they clean the umbilical cord and clean the blood and she is covered in gold dust; her face and chest.  A baby, and that’s what got me, because I was a little skeptical of some of these signs and when that happened I repented of it and I said, “Okay God, you got me, my own baby didn’t have a makeup kit in her womb.”

Sid: Ha ha ha, you knew.

David: And right after that he said, “What do you think about this gold dust thing and I couldn’t attack it, I couldn’t.  Before that I was kind of like saying, “You know I don’t think that it’s impossible but why would God do that, souls are more important I was kind of being religious about it.  And then when it happened to my daughter I realized, God really wants signs and wonders because someone is going to get saved.

Sid: Well, I’ll tell you something, when unsaved Jewish people see signs and wonders we were created to walk in that; were so provoked to jealousy when we see these miracles.  Tell me what happened, you were in Israel, tell me what you saw.

David: Yeah, we were in Tel Aviv one time, we go all the time, but we were in this particular time and I told people “Look in your mouth,” and all these gold teeth began to appearing in Jewish people’s mouths.  Some of them weren’t even believers and these two Russian Jews they were freaking out because they were atheist and they said that they saw the Messiah walk in the room during the gold teeth.  Even had a dentist to confirm the teeth that were miracles they were miraculous, they were unusual and people received the Messiah just by signs and wonders.  Because they figured that the Nazi’s took the gold teeth out fifty years prior, this is the fifty-first year so Jubilee Time, so then they say “Well, Fifty years, we lost our gold teeth to the Nazi’s and now fifty years later teeth are coming back maybe this Messiah he’s talking about is also our Messiah.

Sid: Well David, you want to share how everyone can walk in the glory, in the manifest presence of God…