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SID: Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest was hopelessly in debt. He had a young family. He was attacked in his health. Things were so desperate he was afraid to go outside of his house because people he owned money, they would approach him. God downloaded to him the mysteries of money. Since that point, he got out of debt. Since that point, he’s taught these mysteries to hundreds of thousands of people that have done the same thing. And by the way, I don’t know if I mentioned, he’s a millionaire.

SID: So Gary, you’re doing everything that you know right. You’re going to church.

GARY: Yes.

SID: You’re a believer in God. You’re tithing.

GARY: Yes.

SID: How did you get so in debt that you’re, really, between the two of us, were you really afraid to walk outside, really and truly?

GARY: Sid, I was in debt because I signed the debt papers, first off. I did it. But the reason I signed the debt papers wasn’t trying to destroy my life. I had needs that needed to be met. And so those began to mount. You know, you always think tomorrow will be better and then they weren’t better and you find yourself buried. And then I started having panic attacks. I was on anti-depressants. And so, yeah, I was, I lived in a realm of fear.

SID: Speaking of fear, it really hit the zenith, so to speak.

GARY: Yes.

SID: When a lawyer called and what did he say and what did you do?

GARY: Well we had calls from everyone, every day, you know, we owed—

SID: That’s an awful way to live.

GARY: It’s torment. It’s torment. We owed credit cards. We had probably a dozen, almost a dozen cards that had been canceled, three finance company loans at 20 percent. We owed the IRS tens of thousands, our parents tens of thousands. We owed everything we had and everything was falling apart. We were in survival mode. And so it got to the place that we had exhausted every place to find money. You know, no one would loan us any more. My parents, you know, we tapped everything out. And so this attorney calls, which wasn’t unusual. But for this particular day he was going to file a lawsuit. And that day I realized with a kind of sudden realization, I’m done. There’s nothing left. I had nowhere to turn. Now I was a Christian. But so I ran upstairs to my bedroom, we had a little country house that we lived in. You know, everything was really falling apart. And I began to cry out to the Lord, and he spoke to me very quickly, and he said, Philippians 4:19, “My God shall supply all of your needs according to his riches,” you know, the riches we have in Christ Jesus. And I said, “Lord, I know that scripture, but I don’t have that. I don’t have that riches. I’m done. My needs aren’t being met.” And he told me, he said, “It’s because you’ve never allowed me to teach you how my Kingdom operates.” And that really struck me kind of strange because I was in church. I was going to Heaven. I loved God. I had no idea what he meant by what do you mean, how my Kingdom operates. I thought I was working them.

SID: Even your tithing, if you don’t know how the Kingdom operates you can tithe in a religious fashion and it won’t even work in your life, and people don’t understand that.

GARY: That’s right. I ran downstairs and grabbed my wife’s hand. I repented to her as her husband. I said, “I’m sorry we’re in this mess. It’s my fault.” I said, “But the Lord spoke to me and said that the answer, the reason is because I didn’t understand how his Kingdom operates.” We didn’t know what that meant, but we held hands right there and said, “Lord, teach us what you mean by your Kingdom. What does that mean?” And so we prayed right there and then He began to teach us.

SID: And you know what? This is how the devil operates. Just before you’re about ready to have a breakthrough, literally all hell comes against you. Your van burns.

GARY: Yes. All the vehicles we had were really, really old. We were just glad they started. We were just glad they started. Anyway, I used to drive this old van and it began to really smoke a lot of white smoke, you know, just really bad. And so I learned I’m not going to park this in front of my client’s house and ask him to invest half a million dollars or something, you know. So I would park it around the corner. And so this one particular day, this is only the day after I had this phone call from the attorney, I asked the Lord to show me how the Kingdom operates, I went to this client’s house and I parked around the corner. And so after the call he followed me to the van. He was just wanting to be kind and he came up to the van. And I kind of acted like I was fumbling around the van hoping he’d say goodbye and walk away. But he kind of stood there with his arms crossed watching me like, okay, to leave. I knew I was stuck. So I turned the van on. Of course, white smoke went everywhere. And he goes, “Shut it off! Shut it off!” You know, and he said, “I’m a mechanic.” He said, “Let me check it out.” So he opened the hood. He said, “You busted your head gasket. Drive it home and park it, and get it fixed.” Well that was easy for him to say. I had zero money. The attorney just called. We owed, 13, $1400. He had to have it in three days. We had nothing, but we still owed on the van. And on the way home I was thinking, Lord, I don’t know what to do about this van. I can’t sell it broken. I can’t buy a new van. I don’t know what to do. I said, I just kind of said out loud, “You know, it would be better if this thing just burned up. Let the insurance company pay it off.” I’m serious. That’s what I said out loud. Well about two minutes later, I noticed a bubble begin to form on the front hood. And I was driving to my office and by the time I got to my office this bubble had become about yea high and all of a sudden it just burst into flames and there were flames six foot off that hood, and I was totally in shock. And the insurance company totaled it. They gave me a check and I had enough money to overnight to that lawyer, the money. I paid some bills until I realized, great, fantastic deliverance, but now I have no car. So.

SID: Using the mysteries of money that God revealed to you, how [long] did it take you personally to get it?

GARY: God began to teach us how his Kingdom operated. He began to give us business ideas. We began to start businesses and we began to prosper. It was like a light switch. This is the key. Like a light switch, it was amazing. You come out of that dysfunction, that kind of emotional trauma every day and then you begin to prosper. I cannot tell you. It’s like taking a drink of water on a hot day. It was absolutely fabulous. Going to pay cash for your cars, building your dream home, paying cash for everything, starting these businesses, it took two and half years to pay everything off.

SID: You know, by the way, when he says everything, he’s not just talking his bills. I don’t know if you caught that or not.

GARY: Yes.

SID: He pays cash for his home, cash for his car. I mean, the mysteries of money are so amazing. When we come back, God downloaded some very, very, this is why he has such a passion to teach you. I want him to explain some of these mysteries when we come back.

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