Doug Jones

Sid: I want to see everyone everywhere laying hands on the sick and having them recover and then having a platform to proclaim the gospel.  But remember the law of evangelism is go to the Jew first.  Oh, God has just healed someone with a neck problem, if you move your head you’ll see the pain is gone.  I’m interviewing Doug Jones.  Doug has spent  20 years as an instructor at Rhema Bible College.  And for 9 years he ran their Healing School; people came from all over the world. He learned keys to healing that few Christians understand. And if you understood this you would; I believe have the healing that God wants in your own body and  you would be able to lay hands on the sick or speak healing words and see people healed all over the map.  Now Doug on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about in Mark the 11th chapter the 23 verse about believing before you see. And you said “Preceding that, immediately preceding those verses Jesus cursed the fig tree; it appeared as though nothing happened; the next day it withered from it’s roots.  But I said to you “Well, that’s not a long time; that’s you know just 24 hours, but what about someone that’s been believing God for a specific healing for 3 years?

Doug: Well, the thing about it is this; is that Mark 11:24 says “Whatsoever things that you desire when you pray believe that you receive them and you shall receive them.”  There’s a lot of people today Sid that are believing for their healing.  That tells me this then that they do not believe that God has given them anything yet; they’re still believing to get their healing.  I’ll never forget that we had an individual with colon cancer and what happened was that he started bleeding anytime that he had a bowel movement.  And he didn’t get physically checked out by a doctor he let it go.  And over a process of time he didn’t even tell his wife that he was bleeding and he went for months and it started getting worse and worse and worse.  And finally he started losing weight and finally after oh I bet it was 7 or 8 months confided in his wife. Well, she just became unglued and immediately almost just forced him to go to the doctor to find out what was going on.  And he found out colon cancer and he had waited too long and it was past operation and now very desperate situation.  Well, I started ministering to him but I never could get him on proper position; his faith wasn’t in the proper place.  I’ll never forget…

Sid: It’s so logical, why couldn’t you?

Doug:  Well, on the hospital bed he’d always say to me he’d put his  thumb up in the air and he say “God’s going to do it Doug; God’s going to do it.”   And I thought to myself you know God’s going to do it and believing that you received when you prayed are 2 separate different directions.

Sid: It sounds the same; in fact some people didn’t even catch that say that again.

Doug: He was saying “God’s going to do it; God’s going to do it Brother Doug.”  But the issue is this as Mark 11:24 says that “When you pray you’re to believe that you received.”  If you believed that you received when you prayed then you wouldn’t be getting up into every prayer line offered to you why?  No need for me to go up there I believed that I received last Friday, that believing power is in my body it’s working mightily.  Just like that fig tree Jesus cursed that fig tree; power was administered to that fig tree and it’s working mightily.  Well, He didn’t curse it the next time He went past that tree, it was the next day on their way back to Jerusalem that Peter cries out “The fig trees dried up from the roots.” Jesus didn’t curse that fig tree over and over again. He didn’t go over there and speak to it 2 or 3 different times.  He spoke it one time and believed that that power was administered to the roots of that tree.  So many  people today they have hands laid upon them but because they don’t feel something, because they don’t see a change in their body then they come to the conclusion that God didn’t give them anything.  And yet what He gave them was not something visible it was something spiritual it was the healing power of God.  That power that was made available to us through the death, burial and resurrection.  That same power that went out of Jesus that flowed into the woman with the issue of blood.  That same power was administered to our bodies when we were prayed for but we must believe that we received it when we prayed.  And so for me Sid if we believed it that that power was administered they wouldn’t be getting up into every prayer line offered to them.  Why, that power is in me and the only thing left to do is to say “Father, thank You.”

Sid: Now, does that power ever leave the person once it’s in them?

Doug:  That power never leaves, that power never dissipates or disappears.  If an individual had hands laid upon them 5 years ago for kidney problems that healing power is still in they’re kidneys.  I’ll put it to you like this; you know as well as I do as Christians we miss it sometimes and get into sin.  But Mark chapter 1 and verse 19 says or 1 John 1:9 says “If we confess our sins He’s faithful and just to forgive us of our sins and cleans us from all unrighteousness.  Every single one of us have seen people pray that prayer, ask God for forgiveness but they get up and because they don’t feel any different.  Because they might feel inferior or they might feel unworthy they get up and they don’t believe that God forgave them without question.  Did God forgive that person when they asked for forgiveness. Yes, but because they didn’t believe that they were forgiven, because they didn’t believe that they received that in essence they live apart from what was given to them.  They were forgiven but they’re living apart from it; they still guilty, they still feel inferior. 1 John 9 will never produce a feeling; it produces a fact.  And you hand around the fact long enough and the feeling will come.  The fact that say “I was forgiven whether I feel like it or not God forgave me and He’s restored me completely.  Such it is with the healing power of God.  That fact that the healing power of God was administered to your body, that does not change.

Sid: Let me ask you this “Do I need someone like yourself to lay hands on me.”

Doug: No.

Sid: “Or can I speak to my own body, can I lay hands on myself and is that as effective as Doug Jones praying for me?

Doug: Your operating on the word of God; yesterday’s program we talked about the fact that the word of God is likened unto a seed.  If you find a scripture and obey a scripture the power within the scripture is released within your life.  Sid when Jesus gave  the little word come it was a promise.  It was some instructions given to Peter, come. That little word come had contained within it enough power to actually defy the laws of nature and allow Peter to walk on water.  But it took Peter’s obedience to release the power within the word come in order for it to be manifested within his life. If you have a sick child, first of all we recommend that you contact your medical physician but you also pray.  If at 3:00 in the morning you know Mark 16: “They shall lay hands on upon the sick and they shall recover.” I encourage you to pray for that child.  Go ahead and get the child medically checked out also but pray and the moment you pray the healing power of God is administered to that body because obedience always releases the power within the word of God.  So to answer your question “No.” You do not need a Kenneth Hagin or a Oral Roberts or anyone else; all it takes is a hand.  They shall lay hands on the sick; they didn’t say special hands, they say a minsters hand, it said “Hands.”

Sid: You know what I’m reminded again that you said Brother Hagin used to say the moment I lay my hands on you the healing power of God will be administered to your body, but what you do with it is up to you.  What did he mean by that?

Doug: Well, you can neglect the healing power of God. Neglected power is dormant power; neglected power is inactive power.  You know that Paul told Timothy in 1st Timothy chapter 4 in verse 14.  And I encourage our readers to read it; now I realize that this is not talking about healing; but it is talking about something that was given to Timothy at the laying on of hands.  Listen to what it says here “Neglect not the gift that is in thee which was given thee by prophesy with the laying on of the hands of presbytery.”  In other words evidently hands were laid on Timothy and something was given to Timothy a gift.  Paul told Timothy the gift that was given to you through the laying hand “Timothy you’re not to neglect it.”  Now Sid you know as well as I do that if you neglect something that it will never reach it’s full potential.  If you neglect a dog or a pet it will never reach it’s full potential.  If you neglect your yard it will never reach it’s full potential. Evidently he’s saying to us you can neglect things given to you through the laying on of hands.  And so there are people today like you stated that Brother Hagin and I so often heard him say it “The moment I lay my hands upon you the healing power of God will be administered to your body; but what you do with it after that is up to you.”  And I’ll never forget I’d seen him do it so many times; he’d take his watch off and say “If I gave you my watch as a gift to you from that point on what you do with it is up to you.”  You can take it and stomp on it and you can throw it; you can give it away it’s up to you.”  And it’s the same thing with the healing power of God; once it’s administered to your body if you neglect it.  In other words if you never think about it; if you never thank the Heavenly Father for it; if you never talk about it that healing power will become neglected it will become inactive in your life.

Sid: You know Doug, on tomorrow’s broadcast we’re just about out of time. On tomorrow’s broadcast I want you to read what Ken Hagin had to say and this isn’t published anywhere about keeping the switch of faith turned on.  Tell me how you got that.

Doug: That was in August 10th of 1992 Brother Hagin was in Nanuit, New York and he spoke on that subject so as a result I go the transcript on that.

Sid: Whoops we’re out of time.

 

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