Sid: As a new Jewish believer, I met Katherine Kuhlman. She had more miracles than anyone I had ever seen. But she had a secret. It was her relationship with the Holy Spirit. My next guest has the same intimacy. He moves in major miracles continuously and wants to teach you. Next on this edition of It’s Supernatural.
Can ancient secrets of the supernatural be rediscovered? Do angels exist? Is there life after death? Are healing miracles real? Can you get supernatural help from another dimension? Has the future been written in advance? Sid Roth has spent 30 years researching the strange world of the supernatural. Join Sid on this edition of It’s Supernatural.
Sid: Hello. Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Well my guest, Jim Hockaday, I’ve been waiting for him and I’m going to tell you why, because when I said I had been waiting for him I’m reminded of someone I met by the name of Katherine Kuhlman. Katherine Kuhlman had the most outrageous, the most number, the most wonderful miracles of just about anyone I had ever seen, and her key, if you will, was she was in love with God. She had such intimacy with the Holy Spirit. I remember she used to say, “Please don’t grieve the Holy Spirit. He’s all that I have.” And then after the Katherine Kuhlman era we moved into what’s known as the Word period where people overdosed on the Word. First, they overdosed on intimacy with God then they overdosed on the Word, and God demonstrated Himself strong by standing on the Word. God demonstrated Himself strong by having an emphasis of intimacy with God. But what would happen, Jim Hockaday, if we could put both of those together? It’s got to be an End Time dynamite of the Holy Spirit.
Jim: That’s exactly what we’re walking into, that day, where they balance out each other. And the Holy Spirit gives such revelation to the Word, but the Word is just as much fellowship with God and it confirms what the Holy Spirit is doing in your life. So there is a balance, and that’s exactly how I’ve endeavored to pattern my life.
Sid: Jim had quite a training. I believe you didn’t have much to do with it. I believe that God directed you. He directed him to be a singer for the Rhema Singers and in order to be a singer there was a requirement. You had to go to school there. But you got to know Kenneth Hagan very well.
Jim: Yes sir.
Sid: And I believe that his greatest desire is for someone like you and many of the others that he trained to stand on his shoulders and take the revelation he had and take it even further. But if I was to force you to tell me one thing you learned from Kenneth Hagan, who’s in Heaven right now, what would that be?
Jim: Well let me back up to say that so many would say Kenneth Hagan had an amazing love walk, and he did. He had an amazing faith walk and he did. But the one thing that stands out to me is he knew God. There was such a deep intimacy with the Holy Spirit and it wasn’t something that was in the platform alone. This is how he walked with God on a regular basis. And that doesn’t mean that he didn’t have fun, because he was quite an individual, and we certainly had many opportunities to have a lot of fun being in the group and times after the services. He might be the first one to throw a spit wad at you or a rubber bands.
Sid: But now that wasn’t your legacy. Your legacy was modeling yourself after a man that walked the love walk.
Jim: Absolutely, absolutely. And this is why it’s interesting to see his natural side, but to see that he incorporated his knowledge of God through all of it.
Sid: Now when you started in the healing school I understand Jim didn’t see many people healed. That’s got to be very frustrating. People come all over the world to sit in this healing school and they’ve heard about Kenneth Hagan, and you must have felt awful.
Jim: For the first three months it was a terrible feeling because I knew that it was right for me to be there and God directed me, as you said. We saw a lot of people die, and of course, you can’t advertise that. So you know, it was a deciding moment for myself. Lord, something has to change. And just to say typically, you know, we’d always say well, you know, God wasn’t moving or the people weren’t in faith. But I went to the Lord and said, “I’m the problem.”
Sid: People normally aren’t that honest, are they?
Jim: I don’t think so. But that’s where you begin with God to have a revelation for yourself. And when I became honest like that I said, Lord, this is what I’m supposed to do, but I know I’m the problem so teach me. And when He began to teach me and took me right to covenant to do so and to begin with the blood covenant immediately, the miraculous began to happen
Sid: Something about the blood that releases the miraculous of God.
Jim: And it was the blood that gave me the boldness to know that God would back me up, and that’s when things began to happen right in the services, sometimes without even a laying on of hands.
Sid: You know, when I started getting your teaching something amazing happened to me. And the thing that was so amazing is I believe that there is an impartation of supernatural boldness in the way that you pray for people.
Jim: Yes sir.
Sid: I was at my home congregation. I had a word of knowledge. I said someone’s neck is healed and I had just heard your teaching, which we’ll get into in the next segment. I said to this woman, “The minute my hand touches your forehead the pain will be gone.” And so I said that to her and then I’m thinking, what happens if she’s not healed? But before I could even get that thought out I put my hand on her head and, praise God, she was healed. I couldn’t believe I said that. But because of what you teach I jumped into that arena. Does that make sense to you?
Jim: Oh it was a process through so many experiences just exactly as you mentioned.
Sid: Hold that thought. I want you to tell me about the woman you sent to run water and a tumor. Don’t go away. You’ll be shocked by this.
