Sid: As I was doing my introduction I was thinking of a conversation I had with a friend just before I did this interview.  In this conversation this person was making such a big deal that they might have had some Jewish ancestry five six generations back and I thought to myself, so what.  The issue is not whether you are Jewish or Gentile.  The issue is not whether you are male or female.  There is a role for males and female.  There is a role for Jews and Gentiles.  And God did not make any mistakes.  He set you in the place he wants you to be in the body.  But the whole issue is knowing who you are in Jesus.  That’s the beauty in the One New Man because you see we each need each other.  God created it that way to have the full dwelling place of God.  That’s the whole deal and if you’d rather be someone that your not, get some help.  Get a life.  God knew who you were before you were even formed in your mother’s womb.

Now, my guest Katie Souza has got a series that I’ve been listening to called “The Healing School.” And we have a special bonus called “The Glory Light Healing.” The thing I love about this teaching is that it is almost like there are some missing keys in the revelation of healing.  And it’s about time that we start walking in the same power, and the same glory that Jesus had.   I can’t wait for her to show you some of the things that God is showing her.  Because, I believe there are people listening to us, Katie, right now that when they hear these keys light bulbs are going to go off. Some of them have been waiting years and years to be healed, waiting for this interview.  Now, on a previous broadcast, we found out about Katie, and as far as I’m concerned, if you saw the movie “Bonnie and Clyde” Katie was both of them put together.  I mean, Katie, these high speed chases and guns and drug labs and running away from the police, and collecting money from people at gun point that owed you money on drug deals.  I mean I can picture someday there is going to be a movie.  But it goes right back to the line of scripture to him who is forgiven much they love much.  I don’t quite understand it, it’s not necessary to be so broken to get such revelation, but it doesn’t hurt, you know.  Something about that brokenness that makes us more pliable to hear from God, what do you think about that?

Katie: Indeed, I’m telling you that there is nothing like being locked up in prison to get you sequestered and silent so that you can hear God and He can fill you up with His goodies.

Sid: So, about 2006 you went to a friend of mine who runs the church, Bill Johnson, the Bethel Church in Redding, California.  You felt directed by God.  You had seen healings, when you were in prison you saw healings.  But you knew that was something more so you went to this church what happened to you there?

Katie: Well, God told me to go to Bethel and I didn’t know anything about it because I was an ex-con. I had just got out of prison so, you know it was a big deal for me to get on a plane and go some place that I had never heard of. And when I got there it was like we have been believing that we were going to receive the Matthew 10 anointing that drives out demons and heals the sick.  And I got there and found out that Bethel is, of course world famous for the kingdom of Heaven manifesting there on a regular basis. I went because my mother had been very very ill.  She had a disease that ate her bones and she had lost many.  Her hip and her fingers and her bones had fallen out of her knuckles and she was extremely crippled.  We believed that the Lord was going to do something great.  So He told me to go.

Sid: And I tell you, I had never heard of such a disease but according to my notes, when she got an artificial body part the disease ate through the artificial body part even.

Katie: Yeah, six months Sid, the one hip was eaten they took it out, they put in the artificial one, six months later she collapsed, they open her back up and it had eaten the plastic parts of the manmade hip.

Sid: So you were desperate to understand healing.  So you go out to Bethel, what happened?

Katie: Well, like my second day there God did what He said He was going to do.  I’m standing in the service in the front. Two little housewives with their kids clinging to their skirts laid their hands on me. And the liquid power of God filled me up and I knew I had received the Matthew 10 anointing.

Sid: Which allow you to cast out demon and lay hands on the sick and have them recover.  So you get back home, you know that God has given you something special.  He directed you there.  You receive. Now you are coming home and your mother, who you love, who has been suffering.  I mean, it really sounds like she was in agony for something like 25 years.  You go there, great woman of God, you lay hands on her, what happened?

Katie: Well, I had something I never had before.  I suddenly had the switch that turned on and it was like this power generator with this heat started going and flowing inside of me and being released down my arms and out my belly and out my body on to Mom.  So, here I am, God had given us sign and wonders saying He was going to do something great.  I went, I got the anointing, I’m back I got this generator and I’m totally believing Mom’s going to jump up and be completely healed.  I’m praying, I’m releasing and I’m going and nothing happened.  And I’m like, what’s going on God.  And the next day I pray and nothing happened, and the next day I prayed and nothing happens.  But then on that third day, my father had been in the emergency room all day and he had been scheduled for two major operations with his prostate because he had been having trouble with it for years and years.  I walked up to him, I laid hands on him and he was healed.  So I knew that we had the anointing but there was something that was blocking Mom from receiving and that was when God began to tell me what it was.

Sid: What did He tell you?

Katie: As I sat before Him, He started to explain to me about the order in which Jesus talks about that Matthew 10 anointing.  He said, Notice the order and how Jesus presents it.  He says, he gave His disciples the anointing to first drive out demons. Then heal the sick.  God told me that sometimes you need to remove demonic powers that are hindering the healing before you can then heal the sick.  So I’m like oh, I get it God and I run back in there and I start praying for Mom rebuking every demon on the face of the planet off of her and again nothing happened.  So I’m like, what is going on with this God?  And He said you are doing what you were told.  You are fighting the enemy but once again it is about order.  You are fighting the demonic kingdom in the wrong order.  God began to minister to me how there was an order in the dark realm that it operated like an army.  That’s why the man at the tombs told Jesus that his name was legion.  Legion is a Roman army term and he knew he was part of an army.  And in every army there are ranks.  You know, generals, lieutenants, colonels in the United States army.  God began to show me.  Stop fighting from the bottom up the ranks.  Start working your way from the top down.  And when He said it to me, I said well show me where the ranks are in scripture.  So He took me to Ephesians 6:12, that classic scripture and I was reading it in the Amplified.  And as I saw it, I saw the order.  It says that we wrestle not with flesh and blood but against the and here’s the order. Gasp bits, the powers and the master spirits.  And as I looked at that order I could see that there it was.  That was the order I need to fight the demonic kingdom.  The first in the order is des pit.  What is a des pit?  It is a tyrant king and no king is a king unless he has a kingdom underneath him.  So who are in these kings’ kingdoms, the next two, in the order. The powers and then the master spirits.  The word powers , when you look it up in the Webster’s Sid, it actually means orders of angels, there’s the ranks in the demonic army.  And then the last in that army and the lowest rank are the master spirits because to master means to be able to control someone.  So those are the spirits that have the ability in some way to control or to harm you.  And so as I began to see this order of the demonic kingdom, with the kings at the top and the powers and the master spirits underneath them in their kingdom, the Lord spoke to me again and said if you will learn how to fight and defeat the king then the powers and the master spirit underneath them in their kingdoms will just submit to you.  I was like, okay, that’s cool.  Where is that in scripture? And He said, it is in the story of David and Goliath.  As I went to that story Sid, I saw exactly what God was trying to say to me.  That if you fight the demonic kingdom from the top down, you will be successful. And I saw the story starts with the Philistine army and the Israel army lined up in battle array to fight each other.  But they were not fighting.  The reason why was because each one of those armies had a champion that was covering them.  David was fighting for Israel and Goliath was fighting for the Philistine.  In this story Goliath himself makes a statement that proves what God was trying to teach me.  It says that Goliath will come every day for forty days to challenge the Israelites and every day he would say this Sid. He would go, choose a man from amongst your selves to come down to me. If he is able to fight me and defeat me then we, meaning me and my army will submit to you.  And that’s exactly what happened. See Goliath was saying, look I’m the covering for the Philistine army.  I’m their champion.  If you defeat me then not only will I submit but my entire army.

Sid: So that was the key you got for your Mom.  If you could get rid of that ruling king then the whole army backs off.  I love it, and as a matter of fact, we have her entire Healing School, six CDs step by step; the missing keys that you’ve been waiting for; the missing revelation that you have been waiting for.  That I believe is going to unlock the mystery of you manifesting your healing and you being about to set a lot of people free.  She has teaching on soul wounds. She has teaching on the glory and healing. Really missing keys and the thing I love about the teaching.  It’s more of a how to than a superstar mentality.  Her greatest passion is for you to learn to walk in the same healing that she’s walking in.  And we have a bonus that is worth the entire thing.  It’s a bonus CD on the Glory Light, Healing from the Glory Light.

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