Sid Roth welcomes Jonathan Welton

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Jonathan Welton. And I am so intrigued with people that can see so clearly into an invisible world. But you know what I’m even more intrigued with? If they can help you see clearly into the invisible world. My guest, Jonathan Welton, wasn’t supposed to be here. His family was complete. But his mother, during a worship service, the Spirit of God speaks to her, and what was she told?

JONATHAN: Well my parents had had two children already, a girl and a boy, and there was about five years difference between my older sibling and myself. They had finished up having kids, and the Holy Spirit surrounded her and she heard in her heart the Lord was asking her, does she want to have another child. He has someone who wants to be born at this specific time for a specific purpose, and that she could choose either to have me or not have me, and if she chose not to He would have someone else who would have me, but that He was going to have me born at this specific time.

SID: God has a specific purpose for you. You were not accident. You’re not a coincidence. God has something so special for you. Keep listening because Jonathan Welton has got insight into a gift of the Spirit called discerning of spirits that very few people understand and everyone is supposed to understand. As a matter of fact, when you were 19, you’re minding your own business, you go to a meeting where there’s a prophet and he singles you out. What happened?

JONATHAN: Well he asked me to stand up and begins to speak a word of prophesy over me. He says, “Jonathan, the Lord is gonna give you the gift of discerning the spirits. He’s called you as a seer,” which I didn’t know what that was at the time. And He said, “You’re going to begin to discern spirits more than you ever wanted to,” which at that point I had never wanted to.

SID: Of course.

JONATHAN: So anything would have been impressive. So instantly I had this impartation where I received this prophetic word and it started to happen. I started to see things in the Spirit.

SID: What was the first thing you remember seeing?

JONATHAN: I remember seeing a bookshelf that was in my house and seeing fire on it. And as I went over to it the Lord told me there are specific books on there that I needed to read. And so I began to pull them down, and they were from different leaders that taught on the prophetic, taught on discerning spirits, and the Lord was guiding me into the books that I needed to grow and learn in this gift at that time.

SID: What is discerning the spirits?

JONATHAN: Well discerning the spirits is one of the nine gifts listed in 1 Corinthians 12 and it’s actually been a gift that’s been given a bad reputation. It’s not just discerning darkness, but it’s discerning the presence of the Holy Spirit, heavenly spirits, angels, the human spirit. We all have a spirit, SID, so I can discern your spirit. I can discern people’s spirits in stores or on the street. And then there’s demonic. So there’s four types of spirits.

SID: Does every believer that’s filled with the Holy Spirit, do they have this potential to move in this direction and can it grow?

JONATHAN: Definitely. There are some who are called as seers, some who are called with the gift of discerning of spirits.

SID: What is a seer?

JONATHAN: A seer is a high level prophetic individual who operates at a high level of discerning of spirits.

SID: Okay. Let’s go to this 30 days. Tell me the types of things you saw during this 30 days.

JONATHAN: Definitely. Well after he prophesied over me there was like a window of time that opened up for 30 days where I was overwhelmed. I was seeing stuff all the time. And I walked down the street and I’d see serpents wrapped around certain buildings or demonic beings on top of certain buildings.

SID: You probably, you were seeing things and probably didn’t really understand what you were seeing.

JONATHAN: As much as I could I stayed home. I was so overwhelmed.

SID: Were you afraid?

JONATHAN: I was not enjoying this experience, definitely. Yes, it was quite overwhelming, quite scary. And if I went to a store I’d see objects stuck in people at times: swords, spears, arrows. And I didn’t understand what I was seeing. So I kept reading, asking the Lord, what is it that I’m encountering here? I’d go to services where there was worship going on and if the worship got cut off, like if the speaker comes up to share and the worship got cut off at a time when it shouldn’t have I would see angels crying.

SID: Really? You know, that happens a lot.

JONATHAN: It does.

SID: I mean, I haven’t seen angels cry, but I know when the things are, you know, it just we got too much to do.

JONATHAN: Definitely, definitely.

SID: Could you tell by just walking down the street if someone was a believer or not?

JONATHAN: Yes. That was one of the most clear things is that there would be a radiant light that shined behind a believer. It was like it shined out in all directions. You could tell who a believer was because they carried the glory of God. And you could tell who a non-believer was because there was like a veil of darkness around them. It says in Corinthians that the God of the sages veiled the eyes of the unbeliever. There is a literally a veil that surrounds a non-believer. And so when I look at an individual on the street if they’re a believer who is being oppressed by depression or sickness, sometimes I’d see a cloud of darkness around them that was oppressing the light shining out of them. And sometimes I’d see body parts hanging in the air and the Lord would say, “They need that body part put into them.”

SID: But then as quickly as the gift came it lifted. You must have really been concerned when it lifted.

JONATHAN: I thought maybe I had done something horrible.

SID: Yeah.

JONATHAN: I said, “Lord, what exactly was that all about? Why 30 days and then it’s stopping now?” And the Lord showed me very clearly, He said, “In those 30 days I turned the gift on full blast so that you would experience the full potential of this gift. And now I’m gonna turn the gift off” because the Lord wanted to teach me how to stir it up, how to activate it, how to turn it on and turn it off, because we’re not suppose to have it on all the time.

SID: Why?

JONATHAN: Well it says in Revelation 1, John was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day. That means he wasn’t in the Spirit all the time. So there are times that we should move into the Spirit and then there’s times when you and I just have lunch—

SID: So I don’t have to be afraid of you when we have lunch and say, “What is this thing coming out of him?”

JONATHAN: That’s right. And people have that perspective sometimes.

SID: Which I don’t, by the way. I’m just teasing. I want to find out about people that have these spears, and when you pull them out the healing comes. But the fact that he knows how to turn it on and turn the gift off and he can mentor you. To my knowledge there’s never been a book. And he has exercises in this book to activate and help develop the gift that’s already in you. We’ll be right back after this word.